On Sun, 4 Feb 2024 05:23:28 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

>This isn't going to work as things now stand. The federal government needs to step in and put these monstrously ignorant and mentally unstable types in their place.
>
>The riffraff deniers in UK are a good example. Their complaint was solar would take all their arable land out of production. Turns out even the most ambitious solar development would consume less land than now used for golf courses.
>
>https://www.usatoday.com/story/graphics/2024/02/04/us-renewable-energy-grid-maps-graphics/72042529007/

That piece ignores the two giant elephants at the table: energy
storage and transmission.

Both solar and wind have bad economics lately, too, even if you solve
the storage and transmission problems.

Are you among the hydrocarbon-burning riffraff, or do you have a solar
array on your roof and a Powerwall in your garage to run your
all-electric house and charge your ev's?

On Sun, 4 Feb 2024 09:57:39 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, February 4, 2024 at 11:19:23?AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Sun, 4 Feb 2024 05:23:28 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
>> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >This isn't going to work as things now stand. The federal government needs to step in and put these monstrously ignorant and mentally unstable types in their place.
>> >
>> >The riffraff deniers in UK are a good example. Their complaint was solar would take all their arable land out of production. Turns out even the most ambitious solar development would consume less land than now used for golf courses.
>> >
>> >https://www.usatoday.com/story/graphics/2024/02/04/us-renewable-energy-grid-maps-graphics/72042529007/
>> That piece ignores the two giant elephants at the table: energy
>> storage and transmission.
>>
>> Both solar and wind have bad economics lately, too, even if you solve
>> the storage and transmission problems.
>
>The same idiots are obstructing the transmission too. Wasn't that big project in New Mexico, with a transmission line running into Arizona and from there to southern California, 10 years in the making? There was a lot of opposition to that line.
>
>Maybe extreme, but may eventually happen, the government can declare a state of emergency, which will make any and all opposition impossible to enforce. They're already using an energy independence national security authorization to force through HV transmission line rights of way and land taking. Something similar will unfold in citing the big renewable projects.
>
>>
>> Are you among the hydrocarbon-burning riffraff, or do you have a solar
>> array on your roof and a Powerwall in your garage to run your
>> all-electric house and charge your ev's?
>
>All my energy consumption is nuclear electric.

Car too? Barbeque? Air travel? Amazon deliveries?

On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 3:19:23 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Feb 2024 05:23:28 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >This isn't going to work as things now stand. The federal government needs to step in and put these monstrously ignorant and mentally unstable types in their place.
> >
> >The riffraff deniers in UK are a good example. Their complaint was solar would take all their arable land out of production. Turns out even the most ambitious solar development would consume less land than now used for golf courses.
> >
> >https://www.usatoday.com/story/graphics/2024/02/04/us-renewable-energy-grid-maps-graphics/72042529007/
> That piece ignores the two giant elephants at the table: energy
> storage and transmission.
>
> Both solar and wind have bad economics lately, too, even if you solve
> the storage and transmission problems.

The Australian generating companies won't invest in anything else. Sun and wind are free and solar cells are now cheap enough. and wind turbines big and cheap enough to make any other energy source too expensive.,

Energy storage isn't cheap, and we haven't built enough of it yet, but it doesn't wake the economics "bad", or anything like it. There isn't any transmission problem - we will have to build more power lines but we've been doing that since domestic electric appliances started getting used in the home.

> Are you among the hydrocarbon-burning riffraff, or do you have a solar
> array on your roof and a Powerwall in your garage to run your
> all-electric house and charge your ev's?

Silly question.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney