Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

>>> I've never felt the need to use Photoshop. Gimp make wonders for me :-)
>>
>> Because you have no idea how little GIMP is v. PS - at least for
>> photographers, editors and designers. They need and use features in PS
>> that don't exist for GIMP.
>
> It's comical how limited GIMP is in comparison. And don't even get
> started on Photoshop's more recent AI-driven functionality, which is
> frankly amazing in terms of productivity enhancement.

The GIMP is a wondrous tool - but hard to use for people like JR.
What's also wonderful - just as free - and easy to use - is Paint.NET.

The free Windows Paint.NET puts The GIMP to shame in ease of use.
Ease of use <https://www.dotpdn.com/downloads/pdn.html>

The free Windows Paint.NET has functionality that IrvanView doesn't.
Functionality <https://github.com/paintdotnet/release/releases/latest>
(although Irfanview has batch capability that requires Paint.NET plugins.)

The freeware Paint.NET Windows program is what PhotoShop should have been.

On Oct 7, 2023, Wally J wrote
(in article <ufs0c2$2fflu$1@dont-email.me>):

> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>
>
> The freeware Paint.NET Windows program is what PhotoShop should have been.

It’s probably what Photoshop was about 20 years ago.

On 2023-10-07 12:38, Bill W wrote:
> On Oct 7, 2023, Wally J wrote
> (in article <ufs0c2$2fflu$1@dont-email.me>):
>
>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>>
>>
>> The freeware Paint.NET Windows program is what PhotoShop should have been.
>
> It’s probably what Photoshop was about 20 years ago.

Not even close.

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Bill W <nothing@nowhere.com> wrote

>> The freeware Paint.NET Windows program is what PhotoShop should have been.
>
> It's probably what Photoshop was about 20 years ago.

Hi BillW,

My main point was that ignorant uneducated low-IQ iKooks substitute
$'s for brains when it comes time to choosing the best available editors.

Me?
I use something called "intelligence" to test & select the best editors.

I just snapped this screenshot & briefly edited it with Paint.NET freeware.
<https://i.postimg.cc/TYPRjJyC/editor01.jpg>

The time it took from start to finish isn't likely how long it takes for
the PhotoShop payware just to open up to the editing Windows, BillW. (jk)

My point of the screenshot is that what editor you use depends on your
needs, where my needs are to learn what every freeware editor does.

I've tested them all, BillW.
Every single one.

Did I miss testing any freeware Windows/Linux editors you are aware of?
No?

Why not?
HINT: I've tested _every_ free editor ever suggested on these newsgroups.
That's why.

I know you well from the r.p.d newsgroup, and I'm not going to discount
what you just opined - but we have to be careful about the audience here.

We "could" look up well-researched comparisons if it really matters to us.
<https://duckduckgo.com/?&q=paint.net+versus+photoshop>

But most of us (particularly on non r.p.d newsgroups) are NOT professional
photo editors - where most of those have super expensive Apple setups and
even more expensive (over time) subscriptions to the professional editors.

Now, to your point - have you ever _looked_ at that free Paint.NET does?
<https://www.getpaint.net/>

Remember, it's free and PhotoShop isn't, where how much you're willing to
pay for PhotoShop probably depends on how often you use it & what you need.

For most of us, the freeware tools I referenced are just fine, where here
is a screenshot I just took for you that shows my Linux & Windows editors.
<https://i.postimg.cc/TYPRjJyC/editor01.jpg>

And those are just the ones I could fit on a single screen, Bill.
My point is that, for most of us, the freeware editors work fantastically.

You just have to be _intelligent_ when you're choosing which ones to use.
--
(Therein lies the problem with the Mac users, in my humble opinion, BillW.)
Mac users fall for every marketing trick in the book - which is sad.

Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote

>>> The freeware Paint.NET Windows program is what PhotoShop should have been.
>>
>> It's probably what Photoshop was about 20 years ago.
>
> Not even close.

Statements like that, sans a single fact, are why I feel sorry for iKooks.
*The entire belief system of iKooks is always completely imaginary*

Notice the ignorant uneducated low-IQ iKooks _guess_ at everything they say
(because they fall for every marketing trick in the book - that's why).

None of them provides a _single_ fact that backs up their belief systems.

Such as a one-to-one comparison perhaps?
<https://duckduckgo.com/?&q=compare+photoshop+versus+paint.net>
<https://duckduckgo.com/?&q=compare+photoshop+versus+pinta>

Here is the first hit of the PhotoShop payware vs Paint.NET search.
*Paint.NET vs Photoshop: Head-to-Head Comparison (2023)*
<https://www.designbuckle.com/paint-net-vs-adobe-photoshop/>
(Neither wins in all categories - but compare it with YOUR needs!)

Here is the first hit of the PhotoShop payware vs Pinta search.
*Adobe Photoshop vs Pinta : Which is Better?*
<https://appmus.com/vs/adobe-photoshop-vs-pinta>
(Neither wins in all categories - but compare it with YOUR needs!)

Note that it's fine when people decide between tools but what I find sad
is the ignorant low-IQ uneducated iKooks always decide based on no data.

These low-IQ ignorant uneducated iKooks fall for every marketing trick
such as their strong belief "you get what you pay for" which is classic.

HINT: Techron is a trademark for Chevron's products, usually indicating
polyetheramines - where Costco has top-tier levels of polyetheramines - but
people _still_ think that they're getting "better gas" at Chevron - and
don't even get me started on "premium" versus "regular" as most people
don't know the first thing about what an octane rating really indicates.
--
The main reason Apple is so profitable is their customer base is tuned
to buy based on falling for every iMarketing trick in the MBA playbook.

On 2023-10-07, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>
>>>> I've never felt the need to use Photoshop. Gimp make wonders for me
>>>> :-)
>>>
>>> Because you have no idea how little GIMP is v. PS - at least for
>>> photographers, editors and designers. They need and use features in
>>> PS that don't exist for GIMP.
>>
>> It's comical how limited GIMP is in comparison. And don't even get
>> started on Photoshop's more recent AI-driven functionality, which is
>> frankly amazing in terms of productivity enhancement.
>
> The GIMP is a wondrous tool - but hard to use for people like JR.

Nah. GIMP is a toy in comparison to Photoshop, and it's not hard to use,
just extremely limited in comparison.

> What's also wonderful - just as free - and easy to use - is Paint.NET.

Also extremely limited in comparison - it's a toy.

> The freeware Paint.NET Windows program is what PhotoShop should have
> been.

LOL... good one. 🤣

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