The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote

>> It's comical how limited GIMP is in comparison. And don't even get
>> started on Photoshop's more recent AI-driven functionality, which is
>> frankly amazing in terms of productivity enhancement.
>
> I wish I wanted to do something that complex with my photos. I've used
> and liked Irfanview on windows and really like Picasa on linux -- 30
> seconds or less per photo and I'm happy. I wanted to fix the
> perspective on a tall-building shot with GIMP once and ultimately
> succeeded, but it was pretty painful. GIMP's idea of 'help' is...
> problematical.

The problem in this discussion is the ignorant uneducated iKooks only know
what iMarketing has fed them - none of them exercises independent thought.

While I have tested _every_ free Windows (and Linux, in the olden days)
image editor, CAD editor, video editor, audio editor, format converter,
screen recorder, etc., I've settled, over the years, mostly on the
following good free tools...

1. Image viewer = IrfanView (batch commands are great)
2. Image editor = Paint.NET (puts PhotoShop to shame)
3. CAD editor = Blender (well maintained & fully functional)
4. Video editor = ShotCut (more tutorials than you can shake a stick at)
5. Audio editor = Who wouldn't use Audacity to edit audio files
6. Screen recorder = Tossup between CuteScreenRec & OBSStudio mostly
7. Format converter = Handbrake superseded Super long ago for me
etc.

I have tested every free tool ever suggested on these newsgroups.
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.photo.digital>
<https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware>
<https://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-os-windows-10>

And those are the half dozen that I use the most for Windows editing
(most of these tools are also ported to the walled-garden macOS platform).
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On 10/7/23 11:48, Wally J wrote:
> While I have tested _every_ free Windows (and Linux, in the olden days)
> image editor, CAD editor, video editor, audio editor, format converter,
> screen recorder, etc., I've settled, over the years, mostly on the
> following good free tools...
>
> 1. Image viewer = IrfanView (batch commands are great)

I prefer the aesthetic nsxiv has.

> 2. Image editor = Paint.NET (puts PhotoShop to shame)

I've used Krita too long to switch..

> 3. CAD editor = Blender (well maintained & fully functional)

Obvious

> 4. Video editor = ShotCut (more tutorials than you can shake a stick at)

Haven't done much video editing, but I'll probably switch from using
KDEnlive anyways.

> 5. Audio editor = Who wouldn't use Audacity to edit audio files

Yep

> 6. Screen recorder = Tossup between CuteScreenRec & OBSStudio mostly

I usually just use simplescreenrecorder for it, might check out
CuteScreenRec to see.

> 7. Format converter = Handbrake superseded Super long ago for me
> etc.

How does it compare to ffmpeg?

(these are just my opinions)
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candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote

>> 7. Format converter = Handbrake superseded Super long ago for me
>> etc.
>
> How does it compare to ffmpeg?

Nothing wrong with ffmpeg. But Handbrake has a great GUI.

I used to use Super but they went over to the dark side.

Luckily, Handbrake took over - and it's cross platform too.

On 10/7/23 23:03, Wally J wrote:
> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote
>
>>> 7. Format converter = Handbrake superseded Super long ago for me
>>> etc.
>>
>> How does it compare to ffmpeg?
>
> Nothing wrong with ffmpeg. But Handbrake has a great GUI.

Fair 'nuff. ffmpeg is a Swiss army knife, but it's super confusing for
anything more than a simple conversion.
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On 2023-10-08 01:38, candycanearter07 wrote:
> On 10/7/23 23:03, Wally J wrote:
>> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote
>>
>>>> 7. Format converter = Handbrake superseded Super long ago for me
>>>> etc.
>>>
>>> How does it compare to ffmpeg?
>>
>> Nothing wrong with ffmpeg. But Handbrake has a great GUI.
>
> Fair 'nuff. ffmpeg is a Swiss army knife, but it's super confusing for
> anything more than a simple conversion.

Handbrake can hand you back the confusion: install the command line
version. (HandbrakeCLI).

I use this as called by a program I wrote sometime back to mass convert
some containers (esp .avi) to .mp4 with h.254 or h.255.

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On 2023-10-08, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2023-10-08 01:38, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> On 10/7/23 23:03, Wally J wrote:
>>> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote
>>>
>>>>> 7. Format converter = Handbrake superseded Super long ago for me
>>>>> etc.
>>>>
>>>> How does it compare to ffmpeg?
>>>
>>> Nothing wrong with ffmpeg. But Handbrake has a great GUI.
>>
>> Fair 'nuff. ffmpeg is a Swiss army knife, but it's super confusing
>> for anything more than a simple conversion.
>
> Handbrake can hand you back the confusion: install the command line
> version. (HandbrakeCLI).
>
> I use this as called by a program I wrote sometime back to mass
> convert some containers (esp .avi) to .mp4 with h.254 or h.255.

I've used HandbrakeCLI for many years to automate encoding and tagging
TV series and movies. It's great.

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candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote

>>>> 7. Format converter = Handbrake superseded Super long ago for me
>>>> etc.
>>>
>>> How does it compare to ffmpeg?
>>
>> Nothing wrong with ffmpeg. But Handbrake has a great GUI.
>
> Fair 'nuff. ffmpeg is a Swiss army knife, but it's super confusing for
> anything more than a simple conversion.

I'm glad the European and American patents expired for ffmpeg as it was a
PITA to have to use lame or download the compiled executables separately.

Directory of C:\app\editor\vid\youtube-dl
11/25/2018 04:51 PM 40,929,280 ffmpeg.exe
11/25/2018 04:51 PM 40,816,128 ffplay.exe
11/25/2018 04:52 PM 40,838,144 ffprobe.exe

Likewise, I can't wait for Qualcomm's 5G modem design patents to expire so
that the incompetent Apple chip design team can just copy the damn thing.
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On 10/9/23 02:20, Wally J wrote:
> I'm glad the European and American patents expired for ffmpeg as it was a
> PITA to have to use lame or download the compiled executables separately.
>
> Directory of C:\app\editor\vid\youtube-dl
> 11/25/2018 04:51 PM 40,929,280 ffmpeg.exe
> 11/25/2018 04:51 PM 40,816,128 ffplay.exe
> 11/25/2018 04:52 PM 40,838,144 ffprobe.exe
>
> Likewise, I can't wait for Qualcomm's 5G modem design patents to expire so
> that the incompetent Apple chip design team can just copy the damn thing.

Tool patents are the worst sometimes.

Also, I'd recommend using yt-dlp instead if it's available.
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candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote

> Also, I'd recommend using yt-dlp instead if it's available.

Thanks for that warning - where you are being purposefully helpful,
which I appreciate - since purposefully helpful people are few on here.

To respond in a way that helps others, I use yt-dlp now that youtube-dl has
its issues - where we had a huuuuuuge discussion about this recently in
that the ClipGrab GUIs on all platforms but iOS uses that yt-dlp engine.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ClipGrab>

On all my platforms, except on iOS (which can't do thousands upon thousands
upon thousands of things all other platforms do), there's that d/l GUI.
<https://clipgrab.org/>

Given the download GUI (on all platforms other than on iOS) is self
contained, when I ran my "dir /s/a/l/on/b" for "ffmpeg", it was found only
in the old-style command-line folders - & not in the modern GUI folders.
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Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote

> To respond in a way that helps others, I use yt-dlp now that youtube-dl has
> its issues - where we had a huuuuuuge discussion about this recently in
> that the ClipGrab GUIs on all platforms but iOS uses that yt-dlp engine.
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ClipGrab>
>
> On all my platforms, except on iOS (which can't do thousands upon thousands
> upon thousands of things all other platforms do), there's that d/l GUI.
> <https://clipgrab.org/>

Given the r.p.d people are on this, and they might not know anything about
Apple products not being able to do what every other platform does...

I should clarify that on Android, the NewPipe GUI does the download & rip.
<http://newpipe.net>

On Windows, Linux & on macOS, ClipGrab is the downloading & ripping GUI.
<https://clipgrab.org/>

On iOS... there's no GUI for that.
<https://ios.null>

That's why it's funny when I hear iKooks say "there's an app for that",
because that's only true for every platform out there - but not iOS.
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On 2023-10-09, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>
> On iOS... there's no GUI for that.

What Wally (Arlen) is purposely omitting in order to troll is that you
can indeed download YouTube videos with yt-dlp on iOS from the command
line:

<https://share.vidyard.com/watch/YgB5bmBzmMjP1LaaDe5vHw>

Clowns gonna clown though.

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On 10/9/23 18:28, Wally J wrote:
> To respond in a way that helps others, I use yt-dlp now that youtube-dl has
> its issues - where we had a huuuuuuge discussion about this recently in
> that the ClipGrab GUIs on all platforms but iOS uses that yt-dlp engine.
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ClipGrab>

Same, it refused to download stuff so I switched over.
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