Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote

>> On 11/6/23 02:00, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>> The camera and software for is still impressive for the size - but the
>>> same applies to many smartphones. The latest Google Pixel models are
>>> mostly the same like iPhone and sometimes even better in some
>>> situations. But still - tiny lenses and tiny sensors are physical limits
>>> you can not completely compensate with software alone.
>>>
>>> Especially in darker environments the result is mostly "guessing" the
>>> content based on stastical models which got trained with existing
>>> scenes. If your own picture is similar to what those models know, you
>>> may get a convincing result - but sometimes the "AI" in the camera
>>> software may also completely fail to create the missing pixels for you.
>>
>> They use AI for their cameras? I'm surprised there's no marketing about
>> that, considering that's the big thing nowadays.
>
> He made that up. Since the phone was recording in Pro Res / Apple Log
> HDR it is akin to shooting RAW on a DSLR.
>
> That is: Maximum information preservation. Not interpretation,
> addition, subtraction ....

Speaking of Apple's brilliant marketing which suggests that if you spend
millions of dollars and if you have a professional degree, you too can
achieve decent results with the iPhone (under excellent lighting)...

The whole point of marketing is to say something and make you believe more.

a. It's clearly what Apple is doing (which only a fool wouldn't see).
b. Yet, the fools (Alan Browne) fell for it - hook, line & sinker.

Alan Browne's repeated suggestion that everyone spend millions of dollars
on each of their iPhone videos just to achieve good results is absurd.

On 11/6/23 13:26, Wally J wrote:
> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote
>
>>> On 11/6/23 02:00, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>> The camera and software for is still impressive for the size - but the
>>>> same applies to many smartphones. The latest Google Pixel models are
>>>> mostly the same like iPhone and sometimes even better in some
>>>> situations. But still - tiny lenses and tiny sensors are physical limits
>>>> you can not completely compensate with software alone.
>>>>
>>>> Especially in darker environments the result is mostly "guessing" the
>>>> content based on stastical models which got trained with existing
>>>> scenes. If your own picture is similar to what those models know, you
>>>> may get a convincing result - but sometimes the "AI" in the camera
>>>> software may also completely fail to create the missing pixels for you.
>>>
>>> They use AI for their cameras? I'm surprised there's no marketing about
>>> that, considering that's the big thing nowadays.
>>
>> He made that up. Since the phone was recording in Pro Res / Apple Log
>> HDR it is akin to shooting RAW on a DSLR.
>>
>> That is: Maximum information preservation. Not interpretation,
>> addition, subtraction ....
>
> Speaking of Apple's brilliant marketing which suggests that if you spend
> millions of dollars and if you have a professional degree, you too can
> achieve decent results with the iPhone (under excellent lighting)...

I think that it's more to suggest you're getting "cinema quality"
cameras on the iPhone. And also a bit of using your own product that has
a name that I'm forgetting.

> The whole point of marketing is to say something and make you believe more.
>
> a. It's clearly what Apple is doing (which only a fool wouldn't see).
> b. Yet, the fools (Alan Browne) fell for it - hook, line & sinker.
>
> Alan Browne's repeated suggestion that everyone spend millions of dollars
> on each of their iPhone videos just to achieve good results is absurd.

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candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote

>> Speaking of Apple's brilliant marketing which suggests that if you spend
>> millions of dollars and if you have a professional degree, you too can
>> achieve decent results with the iPhone (under excellent lighting)...
>
> I think that it's more to suggest you're getting "cinema quality"
> cameras on the iPhone. And also a bit of using your own product that has
> a name that I'm forgetting.

My point is the adult view that marketing should be taken with a grain of
salt - especially Apple marketing - which - let's admit it - is brilliant.

What Apple marketing is doing is successfully convincing people like Alan
Browne that _they too!_ can get these professional results with the iPhone.

And yet... they can't. Not with an iPhone anyway.
Unless they too invest those millions of dollars on each & every video.
--
Apple aims for a particularly gullible customer who has to drink the Jim
Jones punch in order to believe the outrageous claims that Apple makes.

On 2023-11-06 12:22, Wally J wrote:
> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote
>
>>> Speaking of Apple's brilliant marketing which suggests that if you spend
>>> millions of dollars and if you have a professional degree, you too can
>>> achieve decent results with the iPhone (under excellent lighting)...
>>
>> I think that it's more to suggest you're getting "cinema quality"
>> cameras on the iPhone. And also a bit of using your own product that has
>> a name that I'm forgetting.
>
> My point is the adult view that marketing should be taken with a grain of
> salt - especially Apple marketing - which - let's admit it - is brilliant.
>
> What Apple marketing is doing is successfully convincing people like Alan
> Browne that _they too!_ can get these professional results with the iPhone.
>
> And yet... they can't. Not with an iPhone anyway.
> Unless they too invest those millions of dollars on each & every video.

You really are a weasel, aren't you, Arlen?

On 2023-11-06 15:37, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-11-06 12:22, Wally J wrote:
>> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote
>>
>>>> Speaking of Apple's brilliant marketing which suggests that if you
>>>> spend
>>>> millions of dollars and if you have a professional degree, you too can
>>>> achieve decent results with the iPhone (under excellent lighting)...
>>>
>>> I think that it's more to suggest you're getting "cinema quality"
>>> cameras on the iPhone. And also a bit of using your own product that has
>>> a name that I'm forgetting.
>>
>> My point is the adult view that marketing should be taken with a grain of
>> salt - especially Apple marketing - which - let's admit it - is
>> brilliant.
>>
>> What Apple marketing is doing is successfully convincing people like Alan
>> Browne that _they too!_ can get these professional results with the
>> iPhone.
>>
>> And yet... they can't. Not with an iPhone anyway.
>> Unless they too invest those millions of dollars on each & every video.
>
> You really are a weasel, aren't you, Arlen?

Whoah there!!! I know a lot of fine upstanding weasels that would take
great umbrage at that comparison. Take it back.

Wally Nuts just doesn't realize what goes into make high quality video.
And in this case, since the iPhone 15 Pro records ProRes _and_ Log;
added to all the fine lighting and post production, what can be achieved.

So, he has to go on his usual side attacks as that is really all the
pathetic little twerp has ...

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- John Maynard Keynes.

Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote

> Wally Nuts just doesn't realize what goes into make high quality video.
> And in this case, since the iPhone 15 Pro records ProRes _and_ Log;
> added to all the fine lighting and post production, what can be achieved.

I study the iKooks because they're so strange & because Apple makes a
wonderful living off of people who believe what nobody else would believe.

As an adult who tries to understand this strange mind of the iKooks, I have
to admire that Alan Browne always falls for Apple white paper garbage, like
when Alan Browne repeated stated that the scores of well-publicized
zero-click iOS exploits weren't possible - because Apple said so in a
whitepaper that Alan Browne believed.

Likewise, every single news article says nobody can achieve those results
with a puny iPhone without spending a huge budget on professionals and
professional lighting equipment, and _still_ Alan Browne believes that he
can because Apple said so in a white paper.

Given everyone but Alan Browne is aware of how tiny the lens & sensors are,
what's interesting is how desperate these iKooks are to believe in magic.
--
The adult question is how does Apple manage to find people _that_ gullible
(since Apple can't compete on functionality - so Apple competes on bling).

On 11/6/23 23:20, Wally J wrote:
> Likewise, every single news article says nobody can achieve those results
> with a puny iPhone without spending a huge budget on professionals and
> professional lighting equipment, and _still_ Alan Browne believes that he
> can because Apple said so in a white paper.
>
> Given everyone but Alan Browne is aware of how tiny the lens & sensors are,
> what's interesting is how desperate these iKooks are to believe in magic.

I feel like it should be common sense a dedicated high-end tool can do
better than a jack of "all" trades.
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On 2023-11-07 01:20, candycanearter07 wrote:
> On 11/6/23 23:20, Wally J wrote:
>> Likewise, every single news article says nobody can achieve those results
>> with a puny iPhone without spending a huge budget on professionals and
>> professional lighting equipment, and _still_ Alan Browne believes that he
>> can because Apple said so in a white paper.
>>
>> Given everyone but Alan Browne is aware of how tiny the lens & sensors
>> are,
>> what's interesting is how desperate these iKooks are to believe in magic.
>
> I feel like it should be common sense a dedicated high-end tool can do
> better than a jack of "all" trades.

But what's interesting here is how close to the 'dedicated high-end
tool' to the 'jack of "all" trades' can come.

On 2023-11-07 04:20, candycanearter07 wrote:
> On 11/6/23 23:20, Wally J wrote:
>> Likewise, every single news article says nobody can achieve those results
>> with a puny iPhone without spending a huge budget on professionals and
>> professional lighting equipment, and _still_ Alan Browne believes that he
>> can because Apple said so in a white paper.
>>
>> Given everyone but Alan Browne is aware of how tiny the lens & sensors
>> are,
>> what's interesting is how desperate these iKooks are to believe in magic.
>
> I feel like it should be common sense a dedicated high-end tool can do
> better than a jack of "all" trades.

Your buddy is casting shade on me and implying I wrote something I never
did.

From the very first post in this thread I made it clear that it was
much more than just the iPhone (though its particular abilities such as
ProRes and Log recording are important too).
But the troll you seem to like communing with has to twist it around
into something it never was.

He really has an illness.

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“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.