Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote

>> Alan Browne wrote
>> Pretty much any camera (in phone or otherwise) of the same quality,
>> similar quality lenses and
>>
>> --- this is the important bit, so read closely ---
>>
>> * Records in a lossless format (such as Pro Res), and
>> * Records Log data to preserve the dynamic range.
>>
>> And of course (as mentioned) from the top, everything about the filming
>> was studio level production: lighting, dollies, sound equipment,
>> personnel, talent, etc. and so on... not to mention all the post
>> processing that had to occur to get to that level of quality. And of
>> course a lot of detail missing here...
>>
>> So indeed, if there is an Android phone that records losslessly
>> (essentially equivalent to RAW), and records to preserve dynamic range ...
>> then coupled to all the rest, yes Virginia, that Android phone could do
>> the same and achieve similar results to what Apple achieved.
> Sony Xperia V1

This question is for people who know photography far better than I do...

Is that true that the Sony Xperia V1 does what Alan Browne claims only an
iPhone can do in terms of what Alan Browne refers to above as recording in
"essentially equivalent to RAW" format and being able to "record log data
to preserve dynamic range"?

Since it's classic for Marketing to focus on just one set of specs while
ignoring the others, does it matter to photography aficianados that, by
comparison, the iPhone is crippled in terms of storage-media choices?

Does the huge pixel-size difference between the two cameras matter much?
<https://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/Apple-iPhone-15-Pro,Sony-Xperia-1-V/phones/11928,12145>

Which of the following specs is most notably different between them?
Rear:
Triple camera
vs
Triple camera
Main camera:
48 MP (Sensor-shift OIS, PDAF) vs
vs
48 MP (OIS, PDAF)
F1.8; Focal length: 24 mm; Pixel size: 2.44 um
vs
F1.9; Focal length: 24 mm; Sensor size: 1/1.35"; Pixel size: 1.12 um
Second camera:
12 MP (Telephoto, Sensor-shift OIS)
vs
12 MP (Telephoto, OIS, PDAF)
Specifications:
Optical zoom: 3.0x; F2.8; Focal Length: 77 mm
vs
Optical zoom: 5.2x; F2.3; Focal Length: 85-125 mm; Sensor size: 1/3.5"
Third camera:
12 MP (Ultra-wide)
vs
12 MP (Ultra-wide)
Specifications:
Aperture size: F2.2; Focal Length: 13 mm; Pixel size: 1.4 um
vs
Aperture size: F2.2; Focal Length: 16 mm; Sensor size: 1/2.5"
Video recording:
3840x2160 (4K UHD) (60 fps), 1920x1080 (Full HD) (240 fps)
vs
3840x2160 (4K UHD) (120 fps), 1920x1080 (Full HD) (120 fps)
Features:
ProRes, Cinematic mode
vs
HDR, Time-lapse video
Front:
12 MP (Time-of-Flight (ToF))
vs
12 MP
--
This question is asked of people who know photography better than I do.
The goal is to find out if the marketing truly is correct or a lie.

On Thursday, 9 November 2023 at 03:28:58 UTC, Wally J wrote:
> Arno Welzel <use...@arnowelzel.de> wrote
>
> >> Alan Browne wrote
> >> Pretty much any camera (in phone or otherwise) of the same quality,
> >> similar quality lenses and
> >>
> >> --- this is the important bit, so read closely ---
> >>
> >> * Records in a lossless format (such as Pro Res), and
> >> * Records Log data to preserve the dynamic range.
> >>
> >> And of course (as mentioned) from the top, everything about the filming
> >> was studio level production: lighting, dollies, sound equipment,
> >> personnel, talent, etc. and so on... not to mention all the post
> >> processing that had to occur to get to that level of quality. And of
> >> course a lot of detail missing here...
> >>
> >> So indeed, if there is an Android phone that records losslessly
> >> (essentially equivalent to RAW), and records to preserve dynamic range ...
> >> then coupled to all the rest, yes Virginia, that Android phone could do
> >> the same and achieve similar results to what Apple achieved.
>
> > Sony Xperia V1
>
> This question is for people who know photography far better than I do...
>
> Is that true that the Sony Xperia V1 does what Alan Browne claims only an
> iPhone can do in terms of what Alan Browne refers to above as recording in
> "essentially equivalent to RAW" format and being able to "record log data
> to preserve dynamic range"?
>
> Since it's classic for Marketing to focus on just one set of specs while
> ignoring the others, does it matter to photography aficianados that, by
> comparison, the iPhone is crippled in terms of storage-media choices?
>
> Does the huge pixel-size difference between the two cameras matter much?
> <https://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/Apple-iPhone-15-Pro,Sony-Xperia-1-V/phones/11928,12145>
>
> Which of the following specs is most notably different between them?
> Rear:
> Triple camera
> vs
> Triple camera
>
> Main camera:
> 48 MP (Sensor-shift OIS, PDAF) vs
> vs
> 48 MP (OIS, PDAF)
>
> F1.8; Focal length: 24 mm; Pixel size: 2.44 um
> vs
> F1.9; Focal length: 24 mm; Sensor size: 1/1.35"; Pixel size: 1.12 um
>
> Second camera:
> 12 MP (Telephoto, Sensor-shift OIS)
> vs
> 12 MP (Telephoto, OIS, PDAF)
>
> Specifications:
> Optical zoom: 3.0x; F2.8; Focal Length: 77 mm
> vs
> Optical zoom: 5.2x; F2.3; Focal Length: 85-125 mm; Sensor size: 1/3.5"
>
> Third camera:
> 12 MP (Ultra-wide)
> vs
> 12 MP (Ultra-wide)
>
> Specifications:
> Aperture size: F2.2; Focal Length: 13 mm; Pixel size: 1.4 um
> vs
> Aperture size: F2.2; Focal Length: 16 mm; Sensor size: 1/2.5"
>
> Video recording:
> 3840x2160 (4K UHD) (60 fps), 1920x1080 (Full HD) (240 fps)
> vs
> 3840x2160 (4K UHD) (120 fps), 1920x1080 (Full HD) (120 fps)
>
> Features:
> ProRes, Cinematic mode
> vs
> HDR, Time-lapse video
>
> Front:
> 12 MP (Time-of-Flight (ToF))
> vs
> 12 MP
> --
> This question is asked of people who know photography better than I do.
> The goal is to find out if the marketing truly is correct or a lie.

I'm not sure a photographer would care.

When was the last time you saw a wildlife, sportsor any other photographer
picking a smarphone as his choice for the project.
There's also things missing on that list you have so it's not exactly useful.
I'm pretty sure the iPhone 15 pro has time-lapse video even if the above doesn't say so.
My iPhone7 does.

Wally J, 2023-11-08 21:59:

> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote
>
[...]
>>> So indeed, if there is an Android phone that records losslessly
>>> (essentially equivalent to RAW), and records to preserve dynamic range ...
>>> then coupled to all the rest, yes Virginia, that Android phone could do
>>> the same and achieve similar results to what Apple achieved.
>
>> Sony Xperia V1
>
> This question is for people who know photography far better than I do...
>
> Is that true that the Sony Xperia V1 does what Alan Browne claims only an
> iPhone can do in terms of what Alan Browne refers to above as recording in
> "essentially equivalent to RAW" format and being able to "record log data
> to preserve dynamic range"?

At least Sony Xperia V1 also does raw picture snapshots. But depending
on the API implemented by the vendor, this is also possible using "Open
Camera" in many other phones as well. So I can take pictures in raw
format with Open Camera on a Google Pixel 6a as well. In theory, Camera2
should allow *every* app to get uncompressed raw images, but some
vendors prefer to whitelist that feature only for their proprietary
stock camera apps.

About video also see here:

<https://www.videomaker.com/news/sony-reveals-xperia-1-v-with-pro-features-for-video/>

And JFTR: we talk about a phone for around 1400 USD.

--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

On 2023-11-09 09:47, Whisky-dave wrote:

> There's also things missing on that list you have so it's not exactly useful.
> I'm pretty sure the iPhone 15 pro has time-lapse video even if the above doesn't say so.
> My iPhone7 does.

iPhone 15 does. I don't think I've ever used it. I may have played
with it on the 6+.

3rd party camera apps also offer all sorts of options.

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