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* Aha, so, you're aquatic ape realiy isn't very aquatic, is it?Claudius Denk
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 by: James McGinn - Wed, 17 May 2023 17:49 UTC

On Wednesday, April 19, 2023 at 1:03:28 PM UTC-7, Claudius Denk wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 19, 2023 at 11:08:46 AM UTC-7, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> > childish kudu runner:
> >
> > > Swimming with crocodiles? Really?
> >
> > Ah?? Why do you believe that,
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> Aha, so, you're aquatic ape realiy isn't very aquatic, is it?

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 by: James McGinn - Fri, 25 Aug 2023 00:06 UTC

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 10:49:50 AM UTC-7, James McGinn wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 19, 2023 at 1:03:28 PM UTC-7, Claudius Denk wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 19, 2023 at 11:08:46 AM UTC-7, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > childish kudu runner:
> > >
> > > > Swimming with crocodiles? Really?
> > >
> > > Ah?? Why do you believe that,
> >
> > Aha, so, you're aquatic ape realiy isn't very aquatic, is it?

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 by: littor...@gmail.com - Fri, 25 Aug 2023 09:05 UTC

troll:
> > > Aha, so, you're aquatic ape realiy isn't very aquatic, is it?

Ape??
At least 8 *independent* facts indicate that Pleistocene archaic Homo dived for shellfish:
• Archaic Homo's atypical tooth-wear was caused by "sand and oral processing of marine mollusks", Towle cs 2022 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.24500
• H.erectus s.s. fossilized typically (always?) in coastal sediments, e.g. Mojokerto amid barnacles & corals, Trinil amid edible Pseudodon & Elongaria, Sangiran-17 in "brackish marsh near the coast".
• Stephen Munro discovered sea-shell engravings made by H.erectus, Joordens cs 2015 Nature 518:228–231 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25470048/
• Ear exostoses (H.erectus & H.neand.) develop after years of cold(er) water irrigation https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5696936/
• Pachyosteosclerosis is typical of slow+shallow-diving tetrapods (de Buffrénil cs 2010 J.Mamm.Evol.17:101-120), e.g. erectus’ parietal bone is 2x as thick as in gorillas.
• Brain size in erectus (2x apes & australopiths) is facilitated by sea-food, e.g. DHA docosahexaenoic acid in shellfish etc., e.g. Odontocetes, Pinnipedia.
• Pleistocene Homo even colonized overseas islands (Flores & later even Luzon) https://www.academia.edu/36193382/Coastal_Dispersal_of_Pleistocene_Homo_2018
• Homo’s stone tool use & dexterity is typical for molluscivores, cf. sea-otters etc.

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 by: Claudius Denk - Wed, 19 Apr 2023 20:03 UTC

On Wednesday, April 19, 2023 at 11:08:46 AM UTC-7, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> childish kudu runner:
>
> > Swimming with crocodiles? Really?
>
> Ah?? Why do you believe that,

Aha, so, you're aquatic ape realiy isn't very aquatic, is it?

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 by: littor...@gmail.com - Thu, 20 Apr 2023 06:30 UTC

kudu runner:
> > > Swimming with crocodiles? Really?

> > Ah?? Why do you believe that,

No answer, only this:

> Aha, so, you're aquatic ape realiy isn't very aquatic, is it?

??
Ah? Don't you even know this??
FYI, this is my view on ape & human evolution:

https://www.gondwanatalks.com/l/the-waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-walking-in-early-humans/
Plate Tectonics & Hominoid Splittings (my 2022 book p.299):
~30 Ma India approaching S-Asia formed island archipels with coastal forests++.
~25 Ma Catarrhini reaching these islands became bipedal: wading + climbing arms overhead -> aquarboreal Hominoidea.
~20 Ma India further underneath Asia split hylobatids (E) & other=great apes (W), both along N-Tethys coastal forests (E vs W).
~15 Ma the Mesopotamian Seaway Closure split pongids-sivapiths (E) & hominids-dryopiths (W: Medit.Sea + incipient Red Sea: swamp forests).
~8 Ma in Red Sea: N-Rift fm, followed by Gorilla -> Afar -> Praeanthropus afarensis Lucy etc. -> boisei -> today G.gorilla & G.beringei.
~5 Ma the Red Sea opening into the Gulf (Francesca Mansfield: caused by Zanclean mega-flood 5.33 Ma?) split Homo & Pan:
– Pan went right -> E.Afr.coastal forests -> S-Rift -> Transvaal -> Australopith.africanus -> robustus (// Gorilla) -> today P.troglodytes & P.paniscus,
– Homo went left -> S.Asian coasts -> Java early-Pleist.H.erectus shallow-diving for shellfish:
pachy-osteo-sclerosis, DHA, brain++, stone tools, shell engravings (google "Joordens Munro"), ...
mid--> late-Pleist.: diving -> wading -> walking H.sapiens.
Google
-AQUARBOREAL
-JOORDENS MUNRO

Logical, no? :-)

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On Wednesday, April 19, 2023 at 11:30:18 PM UTC-7, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> kudu runner:
> > > > Swimming with crocodiles? Really?
>
> > > Ah?? Why do you believe that,
> No answer, only this:
> > Aha, so, you're aquatic ape realiy isn't very aquatic, is it?

Elephants sometimes wade in water and even swim across channels and rivers.

Do you consider elephants aquatic?

Why do you think it is we can't carry on conversations with elephants?

Shouldn't human evolution be about the emergence of human social capabilities rather than our species wading capabilities, amazing as they may be.

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 by: littor...@gmail.com - Thu, 20 Apr 2023 08:37 UTC

somebody:
> Do you consider elephants aquatic?

Elephants (closest relatives of Sirenia, no fur, very large body, very large brain for body size, voluntary breathing & sound productions, trunk...) are ex-semi-aquatic, probably along the Tethys Ocean -> Ind.Ocean etc. still Pleistocene: my 2022 book, e.g. "Olifanten (+ zeekoeien = Tethy-theria) baden graag, zwemmen opperbest, en duiken zelfs met hun slurf als snorkel."

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On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 1:37:39 AM UTC-7, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> somebody:
> > Do you consider elephants aquatic?
> Elephants (closest relatives of Sirenia, no fur, very large body, very large brain for body size, voluntary breathing & sound productions, trunk...) are ex-semi-aquatic, probably along the Tethys Ocean -> Ind.Ocean etc. still Pleistocene: my 2022 book, e.g. "Olifanten (+ zeekoeien = Tethy-theria) baden graag, zwemmen opperbest, en duiken zelfs met hun slurf als snorkel.."

Dogs go into water sometimes also. And there is a cat in the Brazilian rainforest that hunts under water.

Are dogs and cats aquatic also?

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On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 8:35:23 AM UTC-7, Claudius Denk wrote:
> On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 1:37:39 AM UTC-7, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> > somebody:
> > > Do you consider elephants aquatic?
> > Elephants (closest relatives of Sirenia, no fur, very large body, very large brain for body size, voluntary breathing & sound productions, trunk....) are ex-semi-aquatic, probably along the Tethys Ocean -> Ind.Ocean etc. still Pleistocene: my 2022 book, e.g. "Olifanten (+ zeekoeien = Tethy-theria) baden graag, zwemmen opperbest, en duiken zelfs met hun slurf als snorkel."
> Dogs go into water sometimes also. And there is a cat in the Brazilian rainforest that hunts under water.
>
> Are dogs and cats aquatic also?

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 by: littor...@gmail.com - Fri, 28 Apr 2023 10:56 UTC

troll:
> > Are dogs and cats aquatic also?

???

:-DDD

Only incredible imbeciles deny early-Pleistocene Homo frequently dived for food:
shell engravings, stone tools, pachy-osteo-sclerosis, ear exostoses, island colonizations, etc.etc.etc.

https://www.gondwanatalks.com/l/the-waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-walking-in-early-humans/

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littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> troll:
>>> Are dogs and cats aquatic also?
>
> ???

Canids and felids can swim and dive too.

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 by: littor...@gmail.com - Sat, 29 Apr 2023 10:17 UTC

troll:
> >>> Are dogs and cats aquatic also?

> > ???

> Canids and felids can swim and dive too.

& your dog & cat are fat & furless & have brains larger than yours?

Inform a *little* bit before trying to say something:
https://www.gondwanatalks.com/l/the-waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-walking-in-early-humans/

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 by: Primum Sapienti - Mon, 1 May 2023 05:29 UTC

littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> troll:
>>>>> Are dogs and cats aquatic also?
>
>>> ???
>
>> Canids and felids can swim and dive too.
>
> & your dog & cat are fat & furless & have brains larger than yours?
>>

Try applying that on these :=}

https://www.businessinsider.com/photos-puppies-diving-underwater-2014-9

diving tiger:
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free diving leopard
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Macaque Monkeys Swimming Underwater Looking For Food
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJRrWdUo_DE

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