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* Re: Paleo-etymology & dog@English, perro@Spanish, Kuon@GreekDaud Deden
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Re: Paleo-etymology & dog@English, perro@Spanish, Kuon@Greek

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Subject: Re: Paleo-etymology & dog@English, perro@Spanish, Kuon@Greek
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 by: Daud Deden - Mon, 15 Jan 2024 15:57 UTC

Please see my comments at bottom of post, wrt Bantu & pama-Nguyen expansions 4.5ka linking chinese dragonboat drumming, India's pariah dogs, Australian dingos, Phu quoc & Rhodesian ridgebacks, very interesting solution imo.

https://dispatchesfromturtleisland.blogspot.com/2023/12/improving-our-understanding-of-bantu.html?sc=1705332559133&m=1#c3561801483202558614

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On Friday, October 6, 2017 at 4:48:50 PM UTC-4, Daud Deden wrote:
> The 2014 thread on the OED etymology includes much about dog@English.
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/sci.lang/D6Qki62doIM/ebVXe-wOMUMJ;context-place=forum/sci.lang
>
> I will put my own opinion here.
>
> Dog@English = dog/gudaga/kutaka@Mbabaram(Queensland, Austl).
>
> It is claimed generally that these two are not cognates but coincidences.
>
> My claim is that they evolved in parallel from an older form, approximately
> *qu(d)ongca. Speculative source of dog domestication: Phu Quoc island, Viet Nam, near Sihanoukville, Cambodia, before 15ka, by indigenes, and were bred for pulling small bowl-boats(arigolu@India/parical@India/coracle@Welsh) between island and mainland at first, initially with hands holding the mane-ruff and tail, eventually selective breeding producing the ("Rhodesian" & Phu Quoc) ridgeback dog along with other types of dogs throughout South East Asia.
>
> Can(em/is/id)@Latin:dog
> Kuon@Greek:dog.
> Kutaka@Mbabaram:dog
> Kelev@Hebrew:dog
>
> Gow@Chinese:dog
> Ken@Japanese:dog
>
> Inu@Japanese:dog
> Dingo@Australia:dog
> Dog@Mbabaram:dog
> Dog@English:dog ~1.4ka
>
> Anjing@Malay:dog
> Ari@KhoiKhoi:ridgeback hunting dog
> Ari@India:pariah dog
> Atimw@Cree:animal that pulls
>
> Komatim@Eskimo:dogsled
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> Perro@Spanish:dog ~1ka from carry/ferry?, brought by Visigoths from Morocco Atlas mountains? The Amazigt Berbers of that area use 5 dogs to hunt, 4 bite the 4 heels to stop prey, one clamps down on the throat to kill.
>
> *qu(d)ongca may have become donkey in reference to load carrying in dry climes?

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Subject: Re: Paleo-etymology & dog@English, perro@Spanish, Kuon@Greek
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 by: Daud Deden - Fri, 9 Feb 2024 18:09 UTC

On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 10:57:08 AM UTC-5, Daud Deden wrote:
> Please see my comments at bottom of post, wrt Bantu & pama-Nguyen expansions 4.5ka linking chinese dragonboat drumming, India's pariah dogs, Australian dingos, Phu quoc & Rhodesian ridgebacks, very interesting solution imo.
>
> https://dispatchesfromturtleisland.blogspot.com/2023/12/improving-our-understanding-of-bantu.html?sc=1705332559133&m=1#c3561801483202558614
>
> -
>
> On Friday, October 6, 2017 at 4:48:50 PM UTC-4, Daud Deden wrote:
> > The 2014 thread on the OED etymology includes much about dog@English.
> >
> > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/sci.lang/D6Qki62doIM/ebVXe-wOMUMJ;context-place=forum/sci.lang
> >
> > I will put my own opinion here.
> >
> > Dog@English = dog/gudaga/kutaka@Mbabaram(Queensland, Austl).
> >
> > It is claimed generally that these two are not cognates but coincidences.
> >
> > My claim is that they evolved in parallel from an older form, approximately
> > *qu(d)ongca. Speculative source of dog domestication: Phu Quoc island, Viet Nam, near Sihanoukville, Cambodia, before 15ka, by indigenes, and were bred for pulling small bowl-boats(arigolu@India/parical@India/coracle@Welsh) between island and mainland at first, initially with hands holding the mane-ruff and tail, eventually selective breeding producing the ("Rhodesian" & Phu Quoc) ridgeback dog along with other types of dogs throughout South East Asia.
> >
> > Can(em/is/id)@Latin:dog
> > Kuon@Greek:dog.
> > Kutaka@Mbabaram:dog
> > Kelev@Hebrew:dog
> >
> > Gow@Chinese:dog
> > Ken@Japanese:dog
> >
> > Inu@Japanese:dog
> > Dingo@Australia:dog
> > Dog@Mbabaram:dog
> > Dog@English:dog ~1.4ka
> >
> > Anjing@Malay:dog
> > Ari@KhoiKhoi:ridgeback hunting dog
> > Ari@India:pariah dog
> > Atimw@Cree:animal that pulls
> >
> > Komatim@Eskimo:dogsled
> >
> > Perro@Spanish:dog ~1ka from carry/ferry?,
CF Paria dogs of India
brought by Visigoths from Morocco Atlas mountains? The Amazigt Berbers of that area use 5 dogs to hunt, 4 bite the 4 heels to stop prey, one clamps down on the throat to kill.
> >
> > *qu(d)ongca may have become donkey in reference to load carrying in dry climes?

Just found this on ridgeback dog linking Mesopotamia hunting dog, Phu Quoc ridgeback and Rhodesian ridgeback/Khoi lion hound:
http://www.glenaholm.com/origins-of-the-breed/
The Mesopotamian Hunting Dog was brought down the east coast of Africa in the course of tribal migration over several centuries and part of the movement was deflected towards the west. We must assume that these dogs carried the ridge gene and that eventually they reached the Cape and acquired the name of Hottentot Hunting Dog, serving a very useful purpose with the Khoisan in a semi-domesticated environment.

Evidence (DD: non-genetic) of the first domesticated dogs on our planet goes back to 4500 BC in Egyptian tombs, and in 1729 AD we have a written record of ridged dogs at the Cape. Apart from Africa the only other place where ridged dogs are found is Phu Quoc in the gulf of Thailand.

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