Sons of Jacob (in Russian): Synovya Iakova (?)

Not correct.

synovial (adj.)
1756, "pertaining to the synovia," albuminous fluid secreted by certain glands, from Modern Latin sinovia (16c.), probably coined by Paracelsus and apparently an invented word.

syn- [ xyuamb, sum]
word-forming element meaning "together with, jointly; alike; at the same time," also sometimes completive or intensive, from Greek syn (prep.) "with, together with, along with, in the company of," from PIE *ksun- "with" (source also of Russian so- "with, together," from Old Russian su(n)-). Assimilated to -l-, reduced to sy- before -s- and -z-, and altered to sym- before -b-, -m- and -p-.

On 28/07/2023 1:22 a.m., Daud Deden wrote:
> Sons of Jacob (in Russian): Synovya Iakova (?)
>
> Not correct.

What's not correct?

> synovial (adj.)
> 1756, "pertaining to the synovia," albuminous fluid secreted by certain glands, from Modern Latin sinovia (16c.), probably coined by Paracelsus and apparently an invented word.
>
> syn- [ xyuamb, sum]
> word-forming element meaning "together with, jointly; alike; at the same time," also sometimes completive or intensive, from Greek syn (prep.) "with, together with, along with, in the company of," from PIE *ksun- "with" (source also of Russian so- "with, together," from Old Russian su(n)-). Assimilated to -l-, reduced to sy- before -s- and -z-, and altered to sym- before -b-, -m- and -p-.
>

No,no,no.
Synovya is an archaic plural of Russian /syn/ 'son'. Yes, cognate with
the English word.

On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 4:02:38 PM UTC-4, Ross Clark wrote:
> On 28/07/2023 1:22 a.m., Daud Deden wrote:
> > Sons of Jacob (in Russian): Synovya Iakova (?)
> >
> > Not correct.
> What's not correct?
> > synovial (adj.)
> > 1756, "pertaining to the synovia," albuminous fluid secreted by certain glands, from Modern Latin sinovia (16c.), probably coined by Paracelsus and apparently an invented word.
> >
> > syn- [ xyuamb, sum]
> > word-forming element meaning "together with, jointly; alike; at the same time," also sometimes completive or intensive, from Greek syn (prep.) "with, together with, along with, in the company of," from PIE *ksun- "with" (source also of Russian so- "with, together," from Old Russian su(n)-). Assimilated to -l-, reduced to sy- before -s- and -z-, and altered to sym- before -b-, -m- and -p-.
> >
> No,no,no.
> Synovya is an archaic plural of Russian /syn/ 'son'. Yes, cognate with
> the English word.

Thanks, interesting. I checked 3 sites googling 'etym synovya', no mention of syn/son in Russian, all mentioned synovial fluid, so I thought the original cite (Clive Cussler, author of fiction, novel) was in error or invented..
I guess you mean that 'synovya' is cognate with 'sons'.

Thu, 27 Jul 2023 13:45:38 -0700 (PDT): Daud Deden
<daud.deden@gmail.com> scribeva:

>On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 4:02:38?PM UTC-4, Ross Clark wrote:
>> On 28/07/2023 1:22 a.m., Daud Deden wrote:
>> > Sons of Jacob (in Russian): Synovya Iakova (?)
>> >
>> > Not correct.
>> What's not correct?
>> > synovial (adj.)
>> > 1756, "pertaining to the synovia," albuminous fluid secreted by certain glands, from Modern Latin sinovia (16c.), probably coined by Paracelsus and apparently an invented word.
>> >
>> > syn- [ xyuamb, sum]
>> > word-forming element meaning "together with, jointly; alike; at the same time," also sometimes completive or intensive, from Greek syn (prep.) "with, together with, along with, in the company of," from PIE *ksun- "with" (source also of Russian so- "with, together," from Old Russian su(n)-). Assimilated to -l-, reduced to sy- before -s- and -z-, and altered to sym- before -b-, -m- and -p-.
>> >
>> No,no,no.
>> Synovya is an archaic plural of Russian /syn/ 'son'. Yes, cognate with
>> the English word.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D1%81%D1%8B%D0%BD#Declension_3 calls
it irregular, not archaic.

>Thanks, interesting. I checked 3 sites googling 'etym synovya', no mention of syn/son in Russian, all mentioned synovial fluid, so I thought the original cite (Clive Cussler, author of fiction, novel) was in error or invented.
>I guess you mean that 'synovya' is cognate with 'sons'.

--
Ruud Harmsen, https://rudhar.com

On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 2:07:03 AM UTC-4, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> Thu, 27 Jul 2023 13:45:38 -0700 (PDT): Daud Deden
> <daud....@gmail.com> scribeva:
> >On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 4:02:38?PM UTC-4, Ross Clark wrote:
> >> On 28/07/2023 1:22 a.m., Daud Deden wrote:
> >> > Sons of Jacob (in Russian): Synovya Iakova (?)
> >> >
> >> > Not correct.
> >> What's not correct?
> >> > synovial (adj.)
> >> > 1756, "pertaining to the synovia," albuminous fluid secreted by certain glands, from Modern Latin sinovia (16c.), probably coined by Paracelsus and apparently an invented word.
> >> >
> >> > syn- [ xyuamb, sum]
> >> > word-forming element meaning "together with, jointly; alike; at the same time," also sometimes completive or intensive, from Greek syn (prep.) "with, together with, along with, in the company of," from PIE *ksun- "with" (source also of Russian so- "with, together," from Old Russian su(n)-). Assimilated to -l-, reduced to sy- before -s- and -z-, and altered to sym- before -b-, -m- and -p-.
> >> >
> >> No,no,no.
> >> Synovya is an archaic plural of Russian /syn/ 'son'. Yes, cognate with
> >> the English word.
> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D1%81%D1%8B%D0%BD#Declension_3 calls
> it irregular, not archaic.
> >Thanks, interesting. I checked 3 sites googling 'etym synovya', no mention of syn/son in Russian, all mentioned synovial fluid, so I thought the original cite (Clive Cussler, author of fiction, novel) was in error or invented.
> >I guess you mean that 'synovya' is cognate with 'sons'.
> --
> Ruud Harmsen, https://rudhar.com

Etymology

u-stem derivation from the root *sewH- (“to give birth”), thus the original meaning being "birth, fruit of the body". Tocharian, Greek and Armenian reflect the -yu- derivation from the same root: *suHyús. Sanskrit सूषा (sūṣā́, “parturient woman”) and Albanian gjysh (< Proto-Albanian *sūšā) derived from later variation *suHsós.

Noun
*suh₁nús or *suh₃nús m[1]
son

-
Cognate with 'issue'?
Xyua(mbuatl) through, threw, in parallel with Malay bua(h/t/ng) fruit-fert/make/throw out-parturate (xyuam)buatl

On 28/07/2023 6:06 p.m., Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> Thu, 27 Jul 2023 13:45:38 -0700 (PDT): Daud Deden
> <daud.deden@gmail.com> scribeva:
>
>> On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 4:02:38?PM UTC-4, Ross Clark wrote:
>>> On 28/07/2023 1:22 a.m., Daud Deden wrote:
>>>> Sons of Jacob (in Russian): Synovya Iakova (?)
>>>>
>>>> Not correct.
>>> What's not correct?
>>>> synovial (adj.)
>>>> 1756, "pertaining to the synovia," albuminous fluid secreted by certain glands, from Modern Latin sinovia (16c.), probably coined by Paracelsus and apparently an invented word.
>>>>
>>>> syn- [ xyuamb, sum]
>>>> word-forming element meaning "together with, jointly; alike; at the same time," also sometimes completive or intensive, from Greek syn (prep.) "with, together with, along with, in the company of," from PIE *ksun- "with" (source also of Russian so- "with, together," from Old Russian su(n)-). Assimilated to -l-, reduced to sy- before -s- and -z-, and altered to sym- before -b-, -m- and -p-.
>>>>
>>> No,no,no.
>>> Synovya is an archaic plural of Russian /syn/ 'son'. Yes, cognate with
>>> the English word.
>
> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D1%81%D1%8B%D0%BD#Declension_3 calls
> it irregular, not archaic.

Yes, you're right. It's an odd plural -- the only other noun that uses
that plural is кум 'gossip' (in the sense of 'co-godparent'). The
confusing fact is that while сыновья (final stress) is the standard
plural for 'sons' (male children), there is a more regular plural сыны
(also final stress) for metaphorical 'sons'.

I sorted out my confusion with the help of Dennis Ward's _The Russian
Language Today: System and Anomaly_ (1965). He gives 'sons of the
fatherland' as an example of the metaphorical sense. I seem to remember
being told that the "Sons of Freedom", an extremist sect within the
Doukhobors, about which we read much (in English) in British Columbia in
the 1950s, were called in Russian сыны свободы.

For some reason (perhaps the capitals) I took DD's original example as
the name of a sect or cult, in which case one might have expected
"Syny". But if it was a simple reference to the Bible, "Synovya" would
be appropriate.

>
>> Thanks, interesting. I checked 3 sites googling 'etym synovya', no mention of syn/son in Russian, all mentioned synovial fluid, so I thought the original cite (Clive Cussler, author of fiction, novel) was in error or invented.
>> I guess you mean that 'synovya' is cognate with 'sons'.
>

On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 7:11:08 AM UTC-4, Daud Deden wrote:
> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 2:07:03 AM UTC-4, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> > Thu, 27 Jul 2023 13:45:38 -0700 (PDT): Daud Deden
> > <daud....@gmail.com> scribeva:
> > >On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 4:02:38?PM UTC-4, Ross Clark wrote:
> > >> On 28/07/2023 1:22 a.m., Daud Deden wrote:
> > >> > Sons of Jacob (in Russian): Synovya Iakova (?)
> > >> >
> > >> > Not correct.
> > >> What's not correct?
> > >> > synovial (adj.)
> > >> > 1756, "pertaining to the synovia," albuminous fluid secreted by certain glands, from Modern Latin sinovia (16c.), probably coined by Paracelsus and apparently an invented word.
> > >> >
> > >> > syn- [ xyuamb, sum]
> > >> > word-forming element meaning "together with, jointly; alike; at the same time," also sometimes completive or intensive, from Greek syn (prep.) "with, together with, along with, in the company of," from PIE *ksun- "with" (source also of Russian so- "with, together," from Old Russian su(n)-). Assimilated to -l-, reduced to sy- before -s- and -z-, and altered to sym- before -b-, -m- and -p-.
> > >> >
> > >> No,no,no.
> > >> Synovya is an archaic plural of Russian /syn/ 'son'. Yes, cognate with
> > >> the English word.
> > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D1%81%D1%8B%D0%BD#Declension_3 calls
> > it irregular, not archaic.
> > >Thanks, interesting. I checked 3 sites googling 'etym synovya', no mention of syn/son in Russian, all mentioned synovial fluid, so I thought the original cite (Clive Cussler, author of fiction, novel) was in error or invented.
> > >I guess you mean that 'synovya' is cognate with 'sons'.
> > --
> > Ruud Harmsen, https://rudhar.com
> Etymology
>
> u-stem derivation from the root *sewH- (“to give birth”), thus the original meaning being "birth, fruit of the body". Tocharian, Greek and Armenian reflect the -yu- derivation from the same root: *suHyús. Sanskrit सूषा (sūṣā́, “parturient woman”) and Albanian gjysh (< Proto-Albanian *sūšā) derived from later variation *suHsós.
>
> Noun
> *suh₁nús or *suh₃nús m[1]
> son
>
> -
> Cognate with 'issue'?
> Xyua(mbuatl) through, threw, in parallel with Malay bua(h/t/ng) fruit-fert/make/throw out-parturate (xyuam)buatl

Compare *sewH- birthing with *tewh- swelling and to endu/endo, Theo/Deu/tue..sday, xyua- opening of dome hut