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* Communal Selection in the earliest years of hominid evolutionMarc Verhaegen
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Re: Communal Selection in the earliest years of hominid evolution

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Subject: Re: Communal Selection in the earliest years of hominid evolution
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 by: Marc Verhaegen - Fri, 10 Nov 2023 11:38 UTC

Op donderdag 9 november 2023 om 19:23:07 UTC+1 schreef James McGinn:

:-D Great Genius, have you never heard of sociobiology??
Just-so blabla, based on 0:

> Communal resource management as a strategy to survive a deadly dry season is the behavior that underlies the emergence of intelligence, consciousness and communicativeness (language). This mostly involved pest-control agriculture. Or, to put it in less technical words, they collectively laid claim to well-watered garden habitat, occupied it, and cooperatively used sticks and stones (the first tools) to keep other species away from this claimed habitat.
> Communities that failed died in dramatic predatory massacres during the depths of the dry season. Avoiding this fate is the engine of hominid intelligence, consciousness, and communicativeness. For hominids the unit of selection shifted up to the community. Communities that kept competing food species out of their claimed garden habitat survived. Communities that failed to cooperate toward this end were doomed.
> The primary reason PA (paleoanthropology) has failed to describe hominid origins and will -- undoubtedly -- continue to fail in this regard is because of a taboo that immediately causes them to dismiss communal selection. Part of this taboo has to do with the fact that us modern hominids have a bias to think of communities as only being the result of intention and deliberation rather than circumstance. This bias prevents us from considering situational factors (like the fact that hominid were not ecologically dominant and persisted in isolated locales) that intertwined the fate of individuals and family groups with the fate of the community as a whole.
> As a consequence of this bias, every fiber of PA is dedicated to the assumption that communalism emerged gradually and as a consequence of the emergence of hominid intelligence, consciousness, and communicativeness. In reality this bias is just that, a bias. Ironically it is a bias that is itself a predicted result of communal selection. In reality there is no reason communal resource management could not have and/or would not have evolved as a strategy independent from intelligence, consciousness, and communicativeness.
> Communal Selection in the earliest years of hominid evolution:
> https://youtu.be/Z7TwiVul7F0?si=5WJ6wyl7iua79RMi
> James McGinn / Genius

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Subject: Re: Communal Selection in the earliest years of hominid evolution
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 by: James McGinn - Sun, 26 Nov 2023 19:43 UTC

On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 3:38:13 AM UTC-8, Marc Verhaegen wrote:
> Op donderdag 9 november 2023 om 19:23:07 UTC+1 schreef James McGinn:
>
> :-D Great Genius, have you never heard of sociobiology??
> Just-so blabla, based on 0:
> > Communal resource management as a strategy to survive a deadly dry season is the behavior that underlies the emergence of intelligence, consciousness and communicativeness (language). This mostly involved pest-control agriculture. Or, to put it in less technical words, they collectively laid claim to well-watered garden habitat, occupied it, and cooperatively used sticks and stones (the first tools) to keep other species away from this claimed habitat.
> > Communities that failed died in dramatic predatory massacres during the depths of the dry season. Avoiding this fate is the engine of hominid intelligence, consciousness, and communicativeness. For hominids the unit of selection shifted up to the community. Communities that kept competing food species out of their claimed garden habitat survived. Communities that failed to cooperate toward this end were doomed.
> > The primary reason PA (paleoanthropology) has failed to describe hominid origins and will -- undoubtedly -- continue to fail in this regard is because of a taboo that immediately causes them to dismiss communal selection. Part of this taboo has to do with the fact that us modern hominids have a bias to think of communities as only being the result of intention and deliberation rather than circumstance. This bias prevents us from considering situational factors (like the fact that hominid were not ecologically dominant and persisted in isolated locales) that intertwined the fate of individuals and family groups with the fate of the community as a whole.
> > As a consequence of this bias, every fiber of PA is dedicated to the assumption that communalism emerged gradually and as a consequence of the emergence of hominid intelligence, consciousness, and communicativeness. In reality this bias is just that, a bias. Ironically it is a bias that is itself a predicted result of communal selection. In reality there is no reason communal resource management could not have and/or would not have evolved as a strategy independent from intelligence, consciousness, and communicativeness.
> > Communal Selection in the earliest years of hominid evolution:
> > https://youtu.be/Z7TwiVul7F0?si=5WJ6wyl7iua79RMi
> > James McGinn / Genius

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 by: James McGinn - Sun, 26 Nov 2023 19:46 UTC

On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 3:38:13 AM UTC-8, Marc Verhaegen wrote:
> Op donderdag 9 november 2023 om 19:23:07 UTC+1 schreef James McGinn:
>
> :-D Great Genius, have you never heard of sociobiology??
> Just-so blabla, based on 0:
> > Communal resource management as a strategy to survive a deadly dry season is the behavior that underlies the emergence of intelligence, consciousness and communicativeness (language). This mostly involved pest-control agriculture. Or, to put it in less technical words, they collectively laid claim to well-watered garden habitat, occupied it, and cooperatively used sticks and stones (the first tools) to keep other species away from this claimed habitat.
> > Communities that failed died in dramatic predatory massacres during the depths of the dry season. Avoiding this fate is the engine of hominid intelligence, consciousness, and communicativeness. For hominids the unit of selection shifted up to the community. Communities that kept competing food species out of their claimed garden habitat survived. Communities that failed to cooperate toward this end were doomed.
> > The primary reason PA (paleoanthropology) has failed to describe hominid origins and will -- undoubtedly -- continue to fail in this regard is because of a taboo that immediately causes them to dismiss communal selection. Part of this taboo has to do with the fact that us modern hominids have a bias to think of communities as only being the result of intention and deliberation rather than circumstance. This bias prevents us from considering situational factors (like the fact that hominid were not ecologically dominant and persisted in isolated locales) that intertwined the fate of individuals and family groups with the fate of the community as a whole.
> > As a consequence of this bias, every fiber of PA is dedicated to the assumption that communalism emerged gradually and as a consequence of the emergence of hominid intelligence, consciousness, and communicativeness. In reality this bias is just that, a bias. Ironically it is a bias that is itself a predicted result of communal selection. In reality there is no reason communal resource management could not have and/or would not have evolved as a strategy independent from intelligence, consciousness, and communicativeness.
> > Communal Selection in the earliest years of hominid evolution:
> > https://youtu.be/Z7TwiVul7F0?si=5WJ6wyl7iua79RMi
> > James McGinn / Genius

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