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AI improves lossless compression

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by: jason_warren@ieee.or - Sun, 1 Oct 2023 16:36 UTC

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/09/ai-
language-models-can-exceed-png-and-flac-in-lossless-
compression-says-study/

This article reports results of using an AI-based
scheme for lossless compression of audio and
image data. Its performance exceeds that of flac
for audio and png for images.

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by: Tobiah - Mon, 16 Oct 2023 17:31 UTC

On 10/1/23 09:36, jason_warren@ieee.org wrote:
> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/09/ai-
> language-models-can-exceed-png-and-flac-in-lossless-
> compression-says-study/
>
> This article reports results of using an AI-based
> scheme for lossless compression of audio and
> image data. Its performance exceeds that of flac
> for audio and png for images.
>

Pied Piper will be devastated.

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by: Chris K-Man - Wed, 18 Oct 2023 19:50 UTC

On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 12:36:23 PM UTC-4, jason_...@ieee.org wrote:
> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/09/ai-
> language-models-can-exceed-png-and-flac-in-lossless-
> compression-says-study/
>
> This article reports results of using an AI-based
> scheme for lossless compression of audio and
> image data. Its performance exceeds that of flac
> for audio and png for images.
_______

Lossless *data size reduction*

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by: Orlando Enrique Fiol - Fri, 1 Dec 2023 22:48 UTC

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by: Don Pearce - Fri, 1 Dec 2023 23:22 UTC

On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 17:48:10 -0500, Orlando Enrique Fiol
<ofiol@verizon.net> wrote:

>In article <MPG.3f836a06bc1d3093989688@reader80.eternal-september.org>,
>jason_warren@ieee.org writes:
>>language-models-can-exceed-png-and-flac-in-lossless-
>>compression-says-study/
>Has anyone observed this in action?

I'll believe it when I see it.

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by: jason_warren@ieee.or - Tue, 5 Dec 2023 21:42 UTC

In article <656a6ab6.25697437@news.eternal-september.org>, spam@spam.com
says...
>
> On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 17:48:10 -0500, Orlando Enrique Fiol
> <ofiol@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >In article <MPG.3f836a06bc1d3093989688@reader80.eternal-september.org>,
> >jason_warren@ieee.org writes:
> >>language-models-can-exceed-png-and-flac-in-lossless-
> >>compression-says-study/
> >Has anyone observed this in action?
>
> I'll believe it when I see it.
>
>
I tried it on several large .wav files. It achieved better
compression than flac. The then-decompressed file was
identical to the original. I'll see if I can find the
website again and post here. I left it behind because
the time to transfer the large files isn't worth the
gain. It'd be a different story if it ran locally.

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by: geoff - Thu, 7 Dec 2023 21:23 UTC

On 6/12/2023 10:42 am, jason_warren@ieee.org wrote:
> In article <656a6ab6.25697437@news.eternal-september.org>, spam@spam.com
> says...
>>
>> On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 17:48:10 -0500, Orlando Enrique Fiol
>> <ofiol@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <MPG.3f836a06bc1d3093989688@reader80.eternal-september.org>,
>>> jason_warren@ieee.org writes:
>>>> language-models-can-exceed-png-and-flac-in-lossless-
>>>> compression-says-study/
>>> Has anyone observed this in action?
>>
>> I'll believe it when I see it.
>>
>>
> I tried it on several large .wav files. It achieved better
> compression than flac. The then-decompressed file was
> identical to the original. I'll see if I can find the
> website again and post here. I left it behind because
> the time to transfer the large files isn't worth the
> gain. It'd be a different story if it ran locally.

Significantly better ? In the context that file-size and bandwidth is a
relatively trivial factor these days ....

geoff

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by: jason_warren@ieee.or - Tue, 12 Dec 2023 21:25 UTC

In article <VwKdnV7WcqJbqu_4nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org says...
>
> On 6/12/2023 10:42 am, jason_warren@ieee.org wrote:
> > In article <656a6ab6.25697437@news.eternal-september.org>, spam@spam.com
> > says...
> >>
> >> On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 17:48:10 -0500, Orlando Enrique Fiol
> >> <ofiol@verizon.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> In article <MPG.3f836a06bc1d3093989688@reader80.eternal-september.org>,
> >>> jason_warren@ieee.org writes:
> >>>> language-models-can-exceed-png-and-flac-in-lossless-
> >>>> compression-says-study/
> >>> Has anyone observed this in action?
> >>
> >> I'll believe it when I see it.
> >>
> >>
> > I tried it on several large .wav files. It achieved better
> > compression than flac. The then-decompressed file was
> > identical to the original. I'll see if I can find the
> > website again and post here. I left it behind because
> > the time to transfer the large files isn't worth the
> > gain. It'd be a different story if it ran locally.
>
>
> Significantly better ? In the context that file-size and bandwidth is a
> relatively trivial factor these days ....
>
>
> geoff

The gain over flac and Monkey's Audio was on the order of 20%.
That's not insignificant considering the sizes of the files,
but I'm not willing to wait very long. I am also not willing
to depend upon a website for the operation; what if it
goes away? I'd reconsider if they released a version that
ran locally.

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by: jason_warren@ieee.or - Sun, 17 Dec 2023 04:36 UTC

In article <MPG.3fd9634c2df0e462989690@reader80.eternal-september.org>,
jason_warren@ieee.org says...
>
> In article <656a6ab6.25697437@news.eternal-september.org>, spam@spam.com
> says...
> >
> > On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 17:48:10 -0500, Orlando Enrique Fiol
> > <ofiol@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > >In article <MPG.3f836a06bc1d3093989688@reader80.eternal-september.org>,
> > >jason_warren@ieee.org writes:
> > >>language-models-can-exceed-png-and-flac-in-lossless-
> > >>compression-says-study/
> > >Has anyone observed this in action?
> >
> > I'll believe it when I see it.
> >
> >
> I tried it on several large .wav files. It achieved better
> compression than flac. The then-decompressed file was
> identical to the original. I'll see if I can find the
> website again and post here. I left it behind because
> the time to transfer the large files isn't worth the
> gain. It'd be a different story if it ran locally.

Forgot to add: my Internet upload speed is a measly
3 MB/s if everything's working perfectly. That's a
long wait for a 500+ MB file!

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AI improves lossless compression	jason_warren@ieee.org
Re: AI improves lossless compression	Tobiah
Re: AI improves lossless compression	Chris K-Man
Re: AI improves lossless compression	Orlando Enrique Fiol
Re: AI improves lossless compression	Don Pearce
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Re: AI improves lossless compression	geoff
Re: AI improves lossless compression	jason_warren@ieee.org
Re: AI improves lossless compression	jason_warren@ieee.org