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* New Soaring Record!Dan Marotta
+* New Soaring Record!Tim Newport-Peace
|+* New Soaring Record!Charlie M. (UH, Pi & 002 owner/pilot)
||`- New Soaring Record!Tim Newport-Peace
|`* New Soaring Record!Eric G
| +- New Soaring Record!Eric G
| `- New Soaring Record!Eric G
`- New Soaring Record!Dan Marotta

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 by: Dan Marotta - Sun, 12 Nov 2023 18:19 UTC

Trigger warning for those easily offended: At the top of the article
there is a well known comment made by Thomas Jefferson. But the flight
of the Bar-Tailed Godwit is simply amazing!

https://dailytimewaster.blogspot.com/2023/11/bar-tailed-godwit-has-broken-its-own.html

--
Dan
5J

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From: tim@newportpeace.co.uk (Tim Newport-Peace)
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Subject: Re: New Soaring Record!
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 by: Tim Newport-Peace - Mon, 13 Nov 2023 11:39 UTC

On 13/11/2023 11:14, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 1:19:07 PM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
>> Trigger warning for those easily offended: At the top of the article
>> there is a well known comment made by Thomas Jefferson. But the flight
>> of the Bar-Tailed Godwit is simply amazing!
>>
>> https://dailytimewaster.blogspot.com/2023/11/bar-tailed-godwit-has-broken-its-own.html
>>
>> --
>> Dan
>> 5J
> Dan, just remember this bird is a PURIST, no stinking jet or Solo , or even a Wankel engine to get the bird home. Dinner was on the table in Tasmania and he or she made it home for dinner and a drink. I can hear Eric now saying, "Must Be Flying Conservatively"! Old Bob, The Purist

I don't think so!

The bird expended fuel (energy) during its flight, and probably indulged
in mid-air refuelling from any insects it encountered on the way.

How is that Purist?

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 by: Charlie M. (UH, Pi & - Mon, 13 Nov 2023 13:28 UTC

On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 6:39:08 AM UTC-5, Tim Newport-Peace wrote:
> On 13/11/2023 11:14, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 1:19:07 PM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
> >> Trigger warning for those easily offended: At the top of the article
> >> there is a well known comment made by Thomas Jefferson. But the flight
> >> of the Bar-Tailed Godwit is simply amazing!
> >>
> >> https://dailytimewaster.blogspot.com/2023/11/bar-tailed-godwit-has-broken-its-own.html
> >>
> >> --
> >> Dan
> >> 5J
> > Dan, just remember this bird is a PURIST, no stinking jet or Solo , or even a Wankel engine to get the bird home. Dinner was on the table in Tasmania and he or she made it home for dinner and a drink. I can hear Eric now saying, "Must Be Flying Conservatively"! Old Bob, The Purist
> I don't think so!
>
> The bird expended fuel (energy) during its flight, and probably indulged
> in mid-air refuelling from any insects it encountered on the way.
>
> How is that Purist?

Hmmm....sorta like sailplanes stop for thermals.
;-)

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From: eric@flyguy.netto (Eric G)
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 by: Eric G - Mon, 13 Nov 2023 14:22 UTC

On 11/13/2023 3:39 AM, Tim Newport-Peace wrote:
> On 13/11/2023 11:14, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 1:19:07 PM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
>>> Trigger warning for those easily offended: At the top of the article
>>> there is a well known comment made by Thomas Jefferson. But the flight
>>> of the Bar-Tailed Godwit is simply amazing!
>>>
>>> https://dailytimewaster.blogspot.com/2023/11/bar-tailed-godwit-has-broken-its-own.html
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dan
>>> 5J
>> Dan, just remember this bird is a PURIST, no stinking jet or Solo , or even a Wankel
>> engine to get the bird home. Dinner was on the table in Tasmania and he or she made it
>> home for dinner and a drink. I can hear Eric now saying, "Must Be Flying
>> Conservatively"! Old Bob, The Purist
>
> I don't think so!
>
> The bird expended fuel (energy) during its flight, and probably indulged in mid-air
> refuelling from any insects it encountered on the way.
>
> How is that Purist?
According to Wikipedia: "They undertake the longest non-stop migrations of any bird, and
to fuel they carry the greatest fat loads of any migratory bird so far studied, reducing
the size of their digestive organs to do so."

It is amazing what this bird can do. It flew 11 day without so many things we'd use for
the same flight: a copilot, night vision goggles, GPS, autopilot, inReach/Spot, weather
forecasts, constant communication with ground crew, coordinated inflight refueling...

I do wonder what the Godwit success rate is. Can it do this flight and the return 5
years in row without ever "landing out", in which case it'd be flying as conservatively as
Old Bob? And what is their backup plan if the winds or other problems make it impossible
to complete the journey? Maybe they just turn west to reach the Americas.

Eric G

Re: New Soaring Record!

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 by: Tim Newport-Peace - Mon, 13 Nov 2023 14:28 UTC

On 13/11/2023 13:28, Charlie M. (UH, Pi & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:
> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 6:39:08 AM UTC-5, Tim Newport-Peace wrote:
>> On 13/11/2023 11:14, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 1:19:07 PM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
>>>> Trigger warning for those easily offended: At the top of the article
>>>> there is a well known comment made by Thomas Jefferson. But the flight
>>>> of the Bar-Tailed Godwit is simply amazing!
>>>>
>>>> https://dailytimewaster.blogspot.com/2023/11/bar-tailed-godwit-has-broken-its-own.html
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Dan
>>>> 5J
>>> Dan, just remember this bird is a PURIST, no stinking jet or Solo , or even a Wankel engine to get the bird home. Dinner was on the table in Tasmania and he or she made it home for dinner and a drink. I can hear Eric now saying, "Must Be Flying Conservatively"! Old Bob, The Purist
>> I don't think so!
>>
>> The bird expended fuel (energy) during its flight, and probably indulged
>> in mid-air refuelling from any insects it encountered on the way.
>>
>> How is that Purist?
>
> Hmmm....sorta like sailplanes stop for thermals.
> ;-)
When did you see a sailplane flap its wings (except on a heavy landing)?

Anyway, the bird is a Self=Launcher!

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 by: Dan Marotta - Mon, 13 Nov 2023 15:39 UTC

Bob, I think flapping wings qualify as a motor glider or, at a minimum,
a self launch sailplane.

Dan
5J

On 11/13/23 04:14, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 1:19:07 PM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
>> Trigger warning for those easily offended: At the top of the article
>> there is a well known comment made by Thomas Jefferson. But the flight
>> of the Bar-Tailed Godwit is simply amazing!
>>
>> https://dailytimewaster.blogspot.com/2023/11/bar-tailed-godwit-has-broken-its-own.html
>>
>> --
>> Dan
>> 5J
> Dan, just remember this bird is a PURIST, no stinking jet or Solo , or even a Wankel engine to get the bird home. Dinner was on the table in Tasmania and he or she made it home for dinner and a drink. I can hear Eric now saying, "Must Be Flying Conservatively"! Old Bob, The Purist

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 by: Eric G - Mon, 13 Nov 2023 16:15 UTC

On 11/13/2023 6:22 AM, Eric G wrote:
> On 11/13/2023 3:39 AM, Tim Newport-Peace wrote:
>> On 13/11/2023 11:14, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 1:19:07 PM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
>>>> Trigger warning for those easily offended: At the top of the article
>>>> there is a well known comment made by Thomas Jefferson. But the flight
>>>> of the Bar-Tailed Godwit is simply amazing!
>>>>
>>>> https://dailytimewaster.blogspot.com/2023/11/bar-tailed-godwit-has-broken-its-own.html
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Dan
>>>> 5J
>>> Dan, just remember this bird is a PURIST, no stinking jet or Solo , or even a Wankel
>>> engine to get the bird home. Dinner was on the table in Tasmania and he or she made it
>>> home for dinner and a drink. I can hear Eric now saying, "Must Be Flying
>>> Conservatively"! Old Bob, The Purist
>>
>> I don't think so!
>>
>> The bird expended fuel (energy) during its flight, and probably indulged in mid-air
>> refuelling from any insects it encountered on the way.
>>
>> How is that Purist?
> According to Wikipedia: "They undertake the longest non-stop migrations of any bird, and
> to fuel they carry the greatest fat loads of any migratory bird so far studied, reducing
> the size of their digestive organs to do so."
>
> It is amazing what this bird can do. It flew 11 day without so many things we'd use for
> the same flight: a copilot, night vision goggles, GPS, autopilot, inReach/Spot, weather
> forecasts, constant communication with ground crew, coordinated inflight refueling...
>
>  I do wonder what the Godwit success rate is. Can it do this flight and the return 5
> years in row without ever "landing out", in which case it'd be flying as conservatively as
> Old Bob? And what is their backup plan if the winds or other problems make it impossible
> to complete the journey? Maybe they just turn west to reach the Americas.
>
> Eric G
That should be "turn east" for the Pacific Godwits, or maybe Hawaii and Guam are the
favored alternates.

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 by: Eric G - Mon, 13 Nov 2023 20:11 UTC

On 11/13/2023 10:10 AM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 9:22:39 AM UTC-5, Eric G wrote:
>> On 11/13/2023 3:39 AM, Tim Newport-Peace wrote:
>>> On 13/11/2023 11:14, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 1:19:07 PM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
>>>>> Trigger warning for those easily offended: At the top of the article
>>>>> there is a well known comment made by Thomas Jefferson. But the flight
>>>>> of the Bar-Tailed Godwit is simply amazing!
>>>>>
>>>>> https://dailytimewaster.blogspot.com/2023/11/bar-tailed-godwit-has-broken-its-own.html
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Dan
>>>>> 5J
>>>> Dan, just remember this bird is a PURIST, no stinking jet or Solo , or even a Wankel
>>>> engine to get the bird home. Dinner was on the table in Tasmania and he or she made it
>>>> home for dinner and a drink. I can hear Eric now saying, "Must Be Flying
>>>> Conservatively"! Old Bob, The Purist
>>>
>>> I don't think so!
>>>
>>> The bird expended fuel (energy) during its flight, and probably indulged in mid-air
>>> refuelling from any insects it encountered on the way.
>>>
>>> How is that Purist?
>> According to Wikipedia: "They undertake the longest non-stop migrations of any bird, and
>> to fuel they carry the greatest fat loads of any migratory bird so far studied, reducing
>> the size of their digestive organs to do so."
>>
>> It is amazing what this bird can do. It flew 11 day without so many things we'd use for
>> the same flight: a copilot, night vision goggles, GPS, autopilot, inReach/Spot, weather
>> forecasts, constant communication with ground crew, coordinated inflight refueling...
>>
>> I do wonder what the Godwit success rate is. Can it do this flight and the return 5
>> years in row without ever "landing out", in which case it'd be flying as conservatively as
>> Old Bob? And what is their backup plan if the winds or other problems make it impossible
>> to complete the journey? Maybe they just turn west to reach the Americas.
>>
>> Eric G
> Well Eric, once again the motorglider guys are coming out of the closet to opine on the success of the Godwit claiming that it has a motor which makes the Godwit Safari possible.
Bob, Bob, Bob: nobody said it had a motor, but someone did say it was a self-launcher.
And, if you can call it a PURIST, we can call it a motorglider 8^)

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