Eternal September filtering is really good. Not only does it filter out
the Spam, but OBTP as well.

I still see Bob's posts, Tim.  Or maybe it's email.

Hey Bob, post something here.  Trash me as a motor glider pilot. I can
take it without running to a safe space.

Dan 5J
On 12/30/23 04:46, Tim Newport-Peace wrote:
> Eternal September filtering is really good. Not only does it filter
> out the Spam, but OBTP as well.

On 2023-12-30 09:37, Dan Marotta wrote:
> I still see Bob's posts, Tim.  Or maybe it's email.
>
> Hey Bob, post something here.  Trash me as a motor glider pilot. I can
> take it without running to a safe space.
>
> Dan 5J
> On 12/30/23 04:46, Tim Newport-Peace wrote:
>> Eternal September filtering is really good. Not only does it filter
>> out the Spam, but OBTP as well.

You didn't get it, Dan. It was a sample of British sense of humor (or
humour) on part of Tim who is missing Bob's entertaining posts as much
as I am :-)

Happy New Year to All - with many great, long, safe flights!

Tom BravoMike

On 30/12/2023 16:55, Tom BravoMike wrote:
> On 2023-12-30 09:37, Dan Marotta wrote:
>> I still see Bob's posts, Tim.  Or maybe it's email.
>>
>> Hey Bob, post something here.  Trash me as a motor glider pilot. I can
>> take it without running to a safe space.
>>
>> Dan 5J
>> On 12/30/23 04:46, Tim Newport-Peace wrote:
>>> Eternal September filtering is really good. Not only does it filter
>>> out the Spam, but OBTP as well.
>
> You didn't get it, Dan. It was a sample of British sense of humor (or
> humour) on part of Tim who is missing Bob's entertaining posts as much
> as I am :-)
>
> Happy New Year to All - with many great, long, safe flights!
>
> Tom BravoMike

Not quite, at 20:39 GMT OBTP posted:

Tim is having withdrawals from the good side of RAS, it is pretty
evident that the Grinch brothers hate Santa and certainly go out of
their way to complain or maybe they did not complain and it was all
fabricated by John DeGrinch. Speaking of John the last time I saw John
he was in Moriarty trying to land his glider on a 6k foot runway,
overshoot and went skidding off the =
runway and if not mistaken clipped one of the runway lights, so much for
his expertise!
I did tell one of the motorglider guys a while back that I smelled a rat
with the announcement of RAS Prime and they guy responded to me with the
prediction that Old Grinch will have a target on your back, and it was
all about Santa not flying a motorglider. I could of understood his
dislike if I had said something like motorglider guys troll for fat
chicks. I did place a LGBTQ sticker on a motorglider and the owner kind
of laughed about it and I consider us friends. So, what is the big deal
about motorglider guys complaining about Old Bob The Purist, why such
thin skin, they cannot even handle Santa being a PURIST! Old Bob, The Purist

This did not appear when using eternal-september.ord as a server, but
did appear elsewhere.

Isn't technology wonderful?

Well, shucky darn, Tom.  You're right.

And Happy New Year to the rest of the aviation community, and the world,
for that matter.

I flew my Cessna 180K today, did an instrument approach, two stop and
goes, and a full stop.  I flew the gyro a couple of days ago. Tomorrow
is the last day in annual for the Stemme but there's been no wave yet
this season.  I'll get the inspection done in the next week or so. 
Depends upon when the IA is available.

Dan 5J
On 12/30/23 09:55, Tom BravoMike wrote:
> On 2023-12-30 09:37, Dan Marotta wrote:
>> I still see Bob's posts, Tim.  Or maybe it's email.
>>
>> Hey Bob, post something here.  Trash me as a motor glider pilot. I
>> can take it without running to a safe space.
>>
>> Dan 5J
>> On 12/30/23 04:46, Tim Newport-Peace wrote:
>>> Eternal September filtering is really good. Not only does it filter
>>> out the Spam, but OBTP as well.
>
> You didn't get it, Dan. It was a sample of British sense of humor (or
> humour) on part of Tim who is missing Bob's entertaining posts as much
> as I am :-)
>
> Happy New Year to All - with many great, long, safe flights!
>
> Tom BravoMike

Thanks for posting that, Tim.  I got quite a chuckle out of "deGrinch"
and motorglider guys tolling...

Oh, and I witnessed that glider overshoot/crash landing at Moriarty. 
Pretty lame piloting, I'd say.

Dan 5J
On 12/30/23 15:39, Tim Newport-Peace wrote:
> On 30/12/2023 16:55, Tom BravoMike wrote:
>> On 2023-12-30 09:37, Dan Marotta wrote:
>>> I still see Bob's posts, Tim.  Or maybe it's email.
>>>
>>> Hey Bob, post something here.  Trash me as a motor glider pilot. I
>>> can take it without running to a safe space.
>>>
>>> Dan 5J
>>> On 12/30/23 04:46, Tim Newport-Peace wrote:
>>>> Eternal September filtering is really good. Not only does it filter
>>>> out the Spam, but OBTP as well.
>>
>> You didn't get it, Dan. It was a sample of British sense of humor (or
>> humour) on part of Tim who is missing Bob's entertaining posts as
>> much as I am :-)
>>
>> Happy New Year to All - with many great, long, safe flights!
>>
>> Tom BravoMike
>
> Not quite, at 20:39 GMT OBTP posted:
>
> Tim is having withdrawals from the good side of RAS, it is pretty
> evident that the Grinch brothers hate Santa and certainly go out of
> their way to complain or maybe they did not complain and it was all
> fabricated by John DeGrinch. Speaking of John the last time I saw John
> he was in Moriarty trying to land his glider on a 6k foot runway,
> overshoot and went skidding off the =
> runway and if not mistaken clipped one of the runway lights, so much
> for his expertise!
> I did tell one of the motorglider guys a while back that I smelled a
> rat with the announcement of RAS Prime and they guy responded to me
> with the prediction that Old Grinch will have a target on your back,
> and it was all about Santa not flying a motorglider. I could of
> understood his dislike if I had said something like motorglider guys
> troll for fat chicks. I did place a LGBTQ sticker on a motorglider and
> the owner kind of laughed about it and I consider us friends. So, what
> is the big deal about motorglider guys complaining about Old Bob The
> Purist, why such thin skin, they cannot even handle Santa being a
> PURIST! Old Bob, The Purist
>
> This did not appear when using eternal-september.ord as a server, but
> did appear elsewhere.
>
> Isn't technology wonderful?
>
>

On 30/12/2023 16:55, Tom BravoMike wrote:
> You didn't get it, Dan. It was a sample of British sense of humor (or
> humour) on part of Tim who is missing Bob's entertaining posts as much
> as I am 🙂
>
No quite. I infrequently read OBTP's postings as they are likely express
the same sentiments as the previous one, and the one before that.

But when I see him being filtered out, the words of Evelyn Beatrice Hall
(1906) spring to mind.

I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right
to Say It
--

"Postatem obscuri lateris nescitis."

There's a lot of that going around these days... and to the detriment of
us all.

Dan 5J
On 12/31/23 10:20, Tim Newport-Peace wrote:
> On 30/12/2023 16:55, Tom BravoMike wrote:
>> You didn't get it, Dan. It was a sample of British sense of humor (or
>> humour) on part of Tim who is missing Bob's entertaining posts as
>> much as I am 🙂
>>
> No quite. I infrequently read OBTP's postings as they are likely
> express the same sentiments as the previous one, and the one before that.
>
> But when I see him being filtered out, the words of Evelyn Beatrice
> Hall (1906) spring to mind.
>
> I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your
> Right to Say It

I mean, we don't all have to leave RAS newsgroup, I suspect once Google
disconnects from usenet the spam will go away. Either way, eternal
September is working well and RAS will remain for those of us who prefer
the old NNTP system.

On 12/31/23 11:14 AM, Dan Marotta wrote:
>There's a lot of that going around these days... and to the detriment of
>us all.
>
>Dan 5J
>On 12/31/23 10:20, Tim Newport-Peace wrote:
>> On 30/12/2023 16:55, Tom BravoMike wrote:
>>> You didn't get it, Dan. It was a sample of British sense of humor (or
>>> humour) on part of Tim who is missing Bob's entertaining posts as
>>> much as I am 
>>>
>> No quite. I infrequently read OBTP's postings as they are likely
>> express the same sentiments as the previous one, and the one before that.
>>
>> But when I see him being filtered out, the words of Evelyn Beatrice
>> Hall (1906) spring to mind.
>>
>> I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your
>> Right to Say It

On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 2:22:23 AM UTC-5, GliderWobble wrote:
> I mean, we don't all have to leave RAS newsgroup, I suspect once Google
> disconnects from usenet the spam will go away. Either way, eternal
> September is working well and RAS will remain for those of us who prefer
> the old NNTP system.
> On 12/31/23 11:14 AM, Dan Marotta wrote:
> >There's a lot of that going around these days... and to the detriment of
> >us all.
> >
> >Dan 5J
> >On 12/31/23 10:20, Tim Newport-Peace wrote:
> >> On 30/12/2023 16:55, Tom BravoMike wrote:
> >>> You didn't get it, Dan. It was a sample of British sense of humor (or
> >>> humour) on part of Tim who is missing Bob's entertaining posts as
> >>> much as I am
> >>>
> >> No quite. I infrequently read OBTP's postings as they are likely
> >> express the same sentiments as the previous one, and the one before that.
> >>
> >> But when I see him being filtered out, the words of Evelyn Beatrice
> >> Hall (1906) spring to mind.
> >>
> >> I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your
> >> Right to Say It
With the few decades I have on various forums, some years as a moderator or admin, I find most posts on RAS to be fine (at least until the recent spam deluge).
Yes, there were a couple (monkey penis worshippers comes to mind) I could do without. But overall, not much I would hand out infractions or ban.
Now, if someone sets up their own playground, they can make their own rules.. We have a choice, accept their rules or go elsewhere.

I have no real interest in the current issue, but appearances are not what I would have done.

On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 6:58:09 AM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 6:20:00 AM UTC-5, Charlie M. (UH, Pi & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:
> > On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 2:22:23 AM UTC-5, GliderWobble wrote:
> > > I mean, we don't all have to leave RAS newsgroup, I suspect once Google
> > > disconnects from usenet the spam will go away. Either way, eternal
> > > September is working well and RAS will remain for those of us who prefer
> > > the old NNTP system.
> > > On 12/31/23 11:14 AM, Dan Marotta wrote:
> > > >There's a lot of that going around these days... and to the detriment of
> > > >us all.
> > > >
> > > >Dan 5J
> > > >On 12/31/23 10:20, Tim Newport-Peace wrote:
> > > >> On 30/12/2023 16:55, Tom BravoMike wrote:
> > > >>> You didn't get it, Dan. It was a sample of British sense of humor (or
> > > >>> humour) on part of Tim who is missing Bob's entertaining posts as
> > > >>> much as I am
> > > >>>
> > > >> No quite. I infrequently read OBTP's postings as they are likely
> > > >> express the same sentiments as the previous one, and the one before that.
> > > >>
> > > >> But when I see him being filtered out, the words of Evelyn Beatrice
> > > >> Hall (1906) spring to mind.
> > > >>
> > > >> I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your
> > > >> Right to Say It
> > With the few decades I have on various forums, some years as a moderator or admin, I find most posts on RAS to be fine (at least until the recent spam deluge).
> > Yes, there were a couple (monkey penis worshippers comes to mind) I could do without. But overall, not much I would hand out infractions or ban.
> > Now, if someone sets up their own playground, they can make their own rules. We have a choice, accept their rules or go elsewhere.
> >
> > I have no real interest in the current issue, but appearances are not what I would have done.
> Charlie, I would like for you to explain the rules about comical Santa post, did it contain profanity, call out anyone by name, make a religious vile statement, ??? The answer to those questions speak for itself, what is so bad about Santa not flying a motorglider? There were a couple of comments to the post that were comical as well and made myself and others chuckle as intended. Let me set the record straight, when one gets to the point where you define content then it isn't the poster that has the problem , it is the so called moderator. This is a tactic of the liberal media and liberal political groups such as Twitter was prior to Elon Musk who clearly exposed such actions. Remember Twitter ban Trump because they did not like his post because of the way they interpreted content. If you said something good about a conservative then you went to Facebook timeout for a while.
> yes, one can enforce their own rules and control content if they choose, but I have the right to say so long and leave something that smells like dog feces and tracks through the house. Happy New Year to all. Old Bob, The Purist.
I didn't see any issues wth your thread. As I stated, I moderate several forums. I wouldn't have even blinked on your stuff. But, I am not staff there nor am I staff here.

As to prime, I will not comment.

I just don't understand all the talk about a deluge of spam on
eternal-september.  I've seen precisely two spam messages in the past
month or so.  I'm using Ubuntu Linux as my operating system, Thunderbird
as my email client, and eternal-september as my news reader.  Could it
be something good about that combination or have the spammers just
ghosted me?

Anyway, I have no use for moderators or censorship of any kind and won't
be going to the google group.  If this news group withers and dies, so
be it.  I've got other forms of entertainment.

Dan 5J
On 1/1/24 00:22, GliderWobble wrote:
> I mean, we don't all have to leave RAS newsgroup, I suspect once Google
> disconnects from usenet the spam will go away. Either way, eternal
> September is working well and RAS will remain for those of us who prefer
> the old NNTP system.
> On 12/31/23 11:14 AM, Dan Marotta wrote:
>> There's a lot of that going around these days... and to the detriment
>> of us all.
>>
>> Dan 5J
>> On 12/31/23 10:20, Tim Newport-Peace wrote:
>>> On 30/12/2023 16:55, Tom BravoMike wrote:
>>>> You didn't get it, Dan. It was a sample of British sense of humor
>>>> (or humour) on part of Tim who is missing Bob's entertaining posts
>>>> as much as I am 
>>>>
>>> No quite. I infrequently read OBTP's postings as they are likely
>>> express the same sentiments as the previous one, and the one before
>>> that.
>>>
>>> But when I see him being filtered out, the words of Evelyn Beatrice
>>> Hall (1906) spring to mind.
>>>
>>> I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your
>>> Right to Say It
>
>

On 1/1/2024 8:31 AM, Dan Marotta wrote:
> and eternal-september as my news reader. ..
>
> Anyway, I have no use for moderators or censorship of any kind and won't be going to the
> google group.

I also use eternal-september, choosing it because it DOES censor rec.aviation.soaring!
It's the _Google_ RAS (not the Prime version), with the spam, that has the least
censorship of RAS. Ironic, eh?

Eric G 8^)

Who'da thunk it?

I don't see why I don't see posts from OBTP here.  Maybe he quit posting...

Dan 5J
On 1/1/24 11:24, Eric G wrote:
> On 1/1/2024 8:31 AM, Dan Marotta wrote:
>> and eternal-september as my news reader. ..
>> Anyway, I have no use for moderators or censorship of any kind and
>> won't be going to the google group.
>
> I also use eternal-september, choosing it because it DOES censor
> rec.aviation.soaring! It's the _Google_ RAS (not the Prime version),
> with the spam, that has the least censorship of RAS. Ironic, eh?
>
> Eric G  8^)

On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 2:02:36 PM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
> Who'da thunk it?
>
> I don't see why I don't see posts from OBTP here. Maybe he quit posting....
>
> Dan 5J
> On 1/1/24 11:24, Eric G wrote:
> > On 1/1/2024 8:31 AM, Dan Marotta wrote:
> >> and eternal-september as my news reader. ..
> >> Anyway, I have no use for moderators or censorship of any kind and
> >> won't be going to the google group.
> >
> > I also use eternal-september, choosing it because it DOES censor
> > rec.aviation.soaring! It's the _Google_ RAS (not the Prime version),
> > with the spam, that has the least censorship of RAS. Ironic, eh?
> >
> > Eric G 8^)
OBTP posted in this thread early this morning.

On 01/01/2024 19:02, Dan Marotta wrote:
> Who'da thunk it?
>
> I don't see why I don't see posts from OBTP here.  Maybe he quit posting...
>
> Dan 5J

No. eternal-september.org treats him as spam! He is still posting.

It may be my imagination, but the volume of spam seems to be greatly
reduced lately?

I wonder why I didn't see it...

Dan 5J
On 1/1/24 13:39, Charlie M. (UH, Pi & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:
> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 2:02:36 PM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
>> Who'da thunk it?
>>
>> I don't see why I don't see posts from OBTP here. Maybe he quit posting...
>>
>> Dan 5J
>> On 1/1/24 11:24, Eric G wrote:
>>> On 1/1/2024 8:31 AM, Dan Marotta wrote:
>>>> and eternal-september as my news reader. ..
>>>> Anyway, I have no use for moderators or censorship of any kind and
>>>> won't be going to the google group.
>>> I also use eternal-september, choosing it because it DOES censor
>>> rec.aviation.soaring! It's the _Google_ RAS (not the Prime version),
>>> with the spam, that has the least censorship of RAS. Ironic, eh?
>>>
>>> Eric G 8^)
> OBTP posted in this thread early this morning.

That's odd.

I've checked my filters and don't have him filtered out.  I've been
rummaging through news.eternal-september.org and haven't found anything
that would indicate why I don't see OBTP's postings.  Any ideas?

Dan 5J
On 1/1/24 13:50, Tim Newport-Peace wrote:
> On 01/01/2024 19:02, Dan Marotta wrote:
>> Who'da thunk it?
>>
>> I don't see why I don't see posts from OBTP here.  Maybe he quit
>> posting...
>>
>> Dan 5J
>
> No. eternal-september.org treats him as spam! He is still posting.
>
> It may be my imagination, but the volume of spam seems to be greatly
> reduced lately?
>
>
>

https://xkcd.com/1357/

'Nuff said!

> Mark, you just don't seem to get the big picture, it is not about free speech, it is about controlling content. Kind of reminds me of a school board meeting not allowing parents to voice their opinion of transgender restrooms. Although my situation was a bit different, DeGrinch just doesn't like Santa. Even a guy from Skyline in Chicago called me and told me that he was a bad guy and very hateful. OBTP

Bob, it is you that doesn't get it. It isn't about the Santa post. It is the sum total of all of your ongoing anti-motorglider rants. They are insulting, childish and irrelevant, but you cannot seem to let it go. The fact is that many RAS readers, after disagreeing with the theme and asking you to cease your repetitive dialogue, enough people complained when you indicated that you intended to continue on RAS_Prime. For that reason, the moderator, Mr. DeRosa, called and asked you to please not start the same thing on the RAS_Prime group. Instead, you decided to not post on the forum. You were given the option to limit your posts to relevant topics, but you chose to go your own way and cease participation on RAS_Prime. Fine. Have a nice life.

Ok, so you get invited to a party. There are a number of people there, men, women, and children of a variety of ethnic backgrounds. Everybody seems to be having a nice time, but you think the gathering needs a bit of spice. You tell a joke that insults a number of people who consider it racist. Not getting the response you want; you tell a blatantly misogynistic joke. More people are offended. You tell a pedophile joke, and the host asks you to leave. You refuse, citing "freedom of speech," and the host and guests boot you out the door. For some reason, they won't let you back in. You are clueless and tell everybody you meet that you were "just bantering," and don't see the problem and your free speech "rights" are being disrespected. Nobody offers any sympathy.

Hah! Anybody that knows me would laugh at the idea that I am a "Woke Liberal." My politics are irrelevant on this forum, but you could say that I am slightly to the right of Attila the Hun.

On 1/4/2024 6:48 PM, Mark628CA wrote:
>> Mark, you just don't seem to get the big picture, it is not about free speech, it is about controlling content. Kind of reminds me of a school board meeting not allowing parents to voice their opinion of transgender restrooms. Although my situation was a bit different, DeGrinch just doesn't like Santa. Even a guy from Skyline in Chicago called me and told me that he was a bad guy and very hateful. OBTP
>
> Bob, it is you that doesn't get it. It isn't about the Santa post. It is the sum total of all of your ongoing anti-motorglider rants. They are insulting, childish and irrelevant, but you cannot seem to let it go. The fact is that many RAS readers, after disagreeing with the theme and asking you to cease your repetitive dialogue, enough people complained when you indicated that you intended to continue on RAS_Prime. For that reason, the moderator, Mr. DeRosa, called and asked you to please not start the same thing on the RAS_Prime group. Instead, you decided to not post on the forum. You were given the option to limit your posts to relevant topics, but you chose to go your own way and cease participation on RAS_Prime. Fine. Have a nice life.

+1 for Mark's post.
+2 for John DeRosa, who spends a lot of time helping people get things right on their
equipment. Including me.