"Goat Dancing Gubu" wrote in message news:tmij2a$35ck8$1@news.mixmin.net...

>"It is easier to fool people than it is to convince them they have been
>fooled." -- Mark Twain
>
>The International Space Station is a movie set. Some of the scenes are
>filmed on a zero-G plane. There is not International Space Station.
>

That's not true since we can see the space station fly over different
countries at different times. I've seen it several times.
There are websites and even phone apps that tell you when it will fly over
your area so you can watch it.

>
>The space program is a hoax and it has been a fraud from day one.
>
>Man never went to the moon.
>

That's not true. Humans did go to the moon, however they went for military
reasons to put weapons on the moon which needed to be kept secret so that's
why they made separate 'for public' footage.

>
>There are no satellites in outer space orbiting the earth.
>

We can see them at night.
You people have gone overboard with this.

>
>'Satellite' communications are terrestrial radio-based.
>
>GPS existed in the 1940s before the concept of the 'satellite' had even
>been sold to a gullible public. In the 1940s, GPS was called LORAN. It was
>used extensively by the Army and Navy, even over the high seas, to pinpoint
>locations.
>

That needs substantiation.

>
>The GPS on your phone uses cell towers, not orbital space satellites.
>
>Recent experiments have proven that combustion and thrust are both
>impossible in a vacuum. Not even common explosives can detonate in a
>vacuum. That throws a monkey wrench in the rockets-to-space and
>probes-to-pluto hoax.
>
>NASA still cannot provide a single photograph of earth from space. All they
>give you is composites from high-altitude airplanes. But they can give you
>photoshop Hubble images of galaxies that are pure fantasy. And you believe
>it. You believe every lie.
>
>As long as your masters tell you that butt sex is good and pure, you will
>believe anything they tell you. Just don't take our butt sex from us, and
>we'll believe your cosmology. Since it starts with a giant black hole fart
>bang, we'll slurp it up with a smile!
>
>Since we know that the earth is flat, and is not a hypersonic spinning ball
>in a giant exploding black hole big bang queer fart vacuum, we know that
>relativity is nonsensical metaphysical gubu. You self-congratulating
>geniuses have been fooled.
>
>Earth is a stationary, level plane. It is not 'floating in space.' It is a
>endless plane that extends interminably in all directions.
>
>Antarctica is not a ice patch at the bottom of a ball. Antarctica is a
>massive, ring-shaped continent that surrounds all the other continents and
>forms the basin in which the oceans are contained. Antarctica is the
>shoreline of the seven continents.
>
>Admiral Richard Byrd of the U.S. Navy went on national television and gave
>an interview in which he said his fleet discovered a new continent beyond,
>and on the other size of the frozen waste of Antarctica.
>
>That means there is an eighth continent. And your devil-worshiping rulers
>don't want you to escape there.
>
>Nuclear weapons do not exist. That is another hoax. They show you grainy
>old videos of a truckload of dynamite creating a mushroom cloud and tell
>you it's a nuclear bomb. And you believe it!
>
>They brainwashed the children for three generations by making them do
>nuclear bomb drills in the schools, having the children climb under their
>desks and pray for salvation from the bomb. This is child abuse.
>
>The Devil truly has deceived the whole world. Get your nerd head unstuck
>from your own ass. Space is fake. Relativity is fake. Nuclear weapons are
>fake. Heliocentrism is fake. This is the religion your masters invented to
>control you.
>
>All of this bullshit you have been raised to believe forms a prison for
>your mind.
>
>https://jeranism.com
>https://theflatearthpodcast.com
>https://atlanteanconspiracy.com

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Andrew W wrote on 11/01/2023 9:13 am:
> "Goat Dancing Gubu"  wrote in message
> news:tmij2a$35ck8$1@news.mixmin.net...
>
>> "It is easier to fool people than it is to convince them they have
>> been fooled." -- Mark Twain
>>
>> The International Space Station is a movie set. Some of the scenes are
>> filmed on a zero-G plane. There is not International Space Station.
>
> That's not true since we can see the space station fly over different
> countries at different times. I've seen it several times.
> There are websites and even phone apps that tell you when it will fly
> over your area so you can watch it.

And the Goat has stated that "The International Space Station is a movie
set" so there MUST be an ISS!!

>> The space program is a hoax and it has been a fraud from day one.
>>
>> Man never went to the moon.
>
> That's not true. Humans did go to the moon, however they went for
> military reasons to put weapons on the moon which needed to be kept
> secret so that's why they made separate 'for public' footage.

Weellll, No!

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Daniel

In article <tpljjd$qms7$1@dont-email.me>,
Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> > That's not true. Humans did go to the moon, however they went for
> > military reasons to put weapons on the moon which needed to be kept
> > secret so that's why they made separate 'for public' footage.
>
> Weellll, No!

Anyone with freely available equipment can shine a light at the
moon and see the reflection. How is that possible if no humans
visitted the moon?

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Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article <tpljjd$qms7$1@dont-email.me>,
> Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
>> > That's not true. Humans did go to the moon, however they went for
>> > military reasons to put weapons on the moon which needed to be kept
>> > secret so that's why they made separate 'for public' footage.
>>
>> Weellll, No!
>
> Anyone with freely available equipment can shine a light at the
> moon and see the reflection. How is that possible if no humans
> visitted the moon?

Well. A probe *could* have left it there.
But footprints on the other hand are a tougher thing to explain.

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Siri Cruise wrote on 11/1/23 5:52 pm:
> In article <tpljjd$qms7$1@dont-email.me>,
> Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
>>> That's not true. Humans did go to the moon, however they went for
>>> military reasons to put weapons on the moon which needed to be kept
>>> secret so that's why they made separate 'for public' footage.
>>
>> Weellll, No!
>
> Anyone with freely available equipment can shine a light at the
> moon and see the reflection. How is that possible if no humans
> visitted the moon?
>
"freely available equipment"?? Really??

Oh!! Hang on! I saw them do it on "The Big Bang Theory", so it MUST be
possible .... unless they did that in a studio, too!! ;-P
--
Daniel

Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> Siri Cruise wrote on 11/1/23 5:52 pm:
>> In article <tpljjd$qms7$1@dont-email.me>,
>> Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>
>>>> That's not true. Humans did go to the moon, however they went for
>>>> military reasons to put weapons on the moon which needed to be kept
>>>> secret so that's why they made separate 'for public' footage.
>>>
>>> Weellll, No!
>>
>> Anyone with freely available equipment can shine a light at the
>> moon and see the reflection. How is that possible if no humans
>> visitted the moon?
> "freely available equipment"?? Really??
> Oh!! Hang on! I saw them do it on "The Big Bang Theory", so it MUST be
> possible .... unless they did that in a studio, too!! ;-P

A junk reflector telescope and a strong laser pointer at least should get
you an echo. They are precision corner reflectors up there so what you get
back should be pretty much what you sent apart from atm degradation.

In AUS the problem could be the laser. A few years back when I was
building things I needed to get some pretty tame lasers for some
application. Just then the aus govt cracked down on the power you could
get hold of and all the stores on ebay refused to sell you any laser
until they had figured out what the regs were all about.
Years later I presume there will still be limits that might undercut
the reflector experiment, above.

Of course, being Australia I also by total accident bought one of
those giant RC cars they used to make back then -- a 1/8 scale hummer
with some sound effects. And one of the little things they had in
it was a super powerful laser pointer in the gun mounted on the roof
of the thing. And it had been marked OK for import by Aus side authorities
even after the product was fully described in the documentation.
The whole sheebang was $50-$100 incl costs. Almost worth
it just to get the laser pointer.

R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> wrote:
> Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> Siri Cruise wrote on 11/1/23 5:52 pm:
>>> In article <tpljjd$qms7$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>>> That's not true. Humans did go to the moon, however they went for
>>>>> military reasons to put weapons on the moon which needed to be kept
>>>>> secret so that's why they made separate 'for public' footage.
>>>> Weellll, No!
>>> Anyone with freely available equipment can shine a light at the
>>> moon and see the reflection. How is that possible if no humans
>>> visitted the moon?
>> "freely available equipment"?? Really??
>> Oh!! Hang on! I saw them do it on "The Big Bang Theory", so it MUST be
>> possible .... unless they did that in a studio, too!! ;-P
>
> A junk reflector telescope and a strong laser pointer at least should get
> you an echo. They are precision corner reflectors up there so what you get
> back should be pretty much what you sent apart from atm degradation.
....

OK. The equipment can be had on ebay. But... the cost even 2nd hand
is pretty high. I've looked at 2nd hand high power surgical lasers
that are close to the power they used in original experiments *before*
reflectors were put on the moon. You can get a 2nd hand one for $60k.

Junk reflector telescopes have come WAY down in price since I last
had one. I saw a 16" for less than $2k. But if you want precision
tracking in order to hit something on the moon and follow it for
any length of time then it will cost you $6k.

But looking further afield is seems not too many amateurs have managed
to do this. So maybe the attenuation is too great to even be able to see
a return with a largish telescope.

I don't know about the spread of the surgical laser but some of the pro
efforts to EME laser have hit the moon with a 10 km wide beam meaning only
1 part in roughly 10^20 made it back to the ground and had to be
photomultiplied and wavelength-matched to the sending laser to verify
it had got there at all.

When I was in highschool many many many years ago various people
were involved in bouncing UHF off the moon and seeing
if anyone could receive it. Usually the transmitter had 100s of W of power
so was not exactly normal amateur radio stuff (maybe for the US;
but in AUS I think you were limited to 1-10W without special authorization).
Hooked to a large "chickenwire" dish or array some guys would send out
some pulses and see if anyone could pick it up from 100-200 km away.
At least one time I *thought* I could hear (BFO) a signal fade in and out
at the time they confirmed they had been transmitting.

Even with the (by comparison) very narrow spread of a laser it seems
using light is just much more difficult.