Was amused by the ongoing soft-pedal on the Pentagon's UFO handling.

A lot of column inches (or whatever the kids call it these days
with their fancy 4d earwiggles and foldable cellwax
(((FIONA: PLEASE BEFORE THIS GETS SENT OUT
research up what the kids are calling things these days)))
have been spent saying "there is no evidence".

'We Have Nothing' Showing UFOs Are of Alien Origin, Defense Official Says
Nextgov, 06 Jan 2023
So far, data has not shown unidentified anomalous phenomena to be from
an alien source, according to defense officials.

Of course there is no evidence either way what the heck these things
are. All we know for sure is someone has been lying at least by
omission to us for a while about what has been going on.

The old rule in probability theory is -- if you have a choice of 2
things and there is you have no good information on which way to go
then each is 50% likely to be correct.

IOW 50% of UFO's are from outer space. ... OK.
I may have jumped the gun there a bit...

--
Section 8. Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) Reports
Persons wanting to report UFO/unexplained phenomena activity
should contact a ... data collection center, such as the National UFO
Reporting Center, etc.
-- www.faa.gov, as at 30 Nov 2022

How big a deal is NASA's new UFO study?
[image] An unidentified flying object, as seen by a US Navy jet.
Space.com, 18 July 2022
In early June, NASA announced that it's commissioning an independent study
on unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP), as UFOs have recently been rebranded.
The intent is to move the scientific understanding of UAP forward, said
Thomas Zurbuchen, NASA's associate administrator for science.
"NASA believes that the tools of scientific discovery are powerful and apply
here also," Zurbuchen said in a statement (opens in new tab). "We have
access to a broad range of observations of Earth from space - and that
is the lifeblood of scientific inquiry. We have the tools and team who can
help us improve our understanding of the unknown. That's the very definition
of what science is. That's what we do."
The UAP study team will be led by astrophysicist David Spergel, previously
the chair of the astrophysics department at Princeton University.
"Given the paucity of observations, our first task is simply to gather
the most robust set of data that we can," Spergel said in the NASA
statement. "We will be identifying what data -- from civilians,
govt, non-profits, companies -- exists, what else we should try
to collect and how to best analyze it."
[The investigation of why NASA has missed something obvious to many
for the past 65+ years will come later. But it argues that classical
approaches of Organised Science might draw another blank on UFO's].

There are no UFOs or alien visits !

Whatever the propulsion system,
you're stlill limited by :

Distance = Speed x Time

and the absolute speed limit c ,
( which nobody will ever get anywhere near ) .

So all that talk of travel among the stars,
UFOs and visiting aliens is total BS !

In alt.astronomy casagiannoni@optimum.net wrote:
> There are no UFOs or alien visits !

You cant prove a negative so we suspect you are lying.

> Whatever the propulsion system,
> you're stlill limited by :
> Distance = Speed x Time
> and the absolute speed limit c ,
> ( which nobody will ever get anywhere near ) .
> So all that talk of travel among the stars,
> UFOs and visiting aliens is total BS !

Even current chemical rockets can explore the galaxy in a billion years.
I.e. around 3 stars per year.

Anyone from a yellow/green star like our sun has a 10 bn year head
start on us. Most yellow/green stars died out long ago.

On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 1:48:42 PM UTC-8, kymho...@gmail.com wrote:

> Anyone from a yellow/green star like our sun has a 10 bn year head
> start on us. Most yellow/green stars died out long ago.

There are no green stars, and our Sun is white...

https://www.wtamu.edu/~cbaird/sq/2013/07/03/what-is-the-color-of-the-sun/#:~:text=The%20color%20of%20the%20sun%20is%20white.,under%20the%20illumination%20of%20sunlight.

"According to the wavelength-space blackbody model, the sun peaks in the green! When astronomers say the sun is green, they mean that their inexact model peaks in wavelength in the green. Unfortunately, "The sun is Green!" makes for more exciting headlines than, "The sun is white and would peak in the green if it were a perfect blackbody and if you measure in wavelength space." Although not as exciting, the ultimate truth is: the sun is white; its spectrum peaks in the violet in wavelength space, in the infrared in frequency space, and in the green according to the wavelength-space blackbody approximation."

https://www.sciencefocus.com/space/why-arent-there-any-green-stars/

"There are no green stars because the ‘black-body spectrum’ of stars, which describes the amount of light at each wavelength and depends on temperature, doesn’t produce the same spectrum of colours as, for example, a rainbow. A star whose peak light emission is at a wavelength we might call ‘green’ actually produces almost as much red light, and our eyes interpret this combination as white, not green. For our eyes to see it as green, a star would have to emit only green light, which is not possible."

On 9/01/2023 5:32 am, casagiannoni@optimum.net wrote:
> There are no UFOs or alien visits !
>
> Whatever the propulsion system,
> you're stlill limited by :
>
> Distance = Speed x Time
>
> and the absolute speed limit c ,
> ( which nobody will ever get anywhere near ) .
>
> So all that talk of travel among the stars,
> UFOs and visiting aliens is total BS !

Correct

On 9/01/2023 8:48 am, R Kym Horsell wrote:
> In alt.astronomy casagiannoni@optimum.net wrote:
>> There are no UFOs or alien visits !
>
> You cant prove a negative so we suspect you are lying.
>

So I can come up with any old horseshit and if you can't prove it's
wrong you're lying?

>> Whatever the propulsion system,
>> you're stlill limited by :
>> Distance = Speed x Time
>> and the absolute speed limit c ,
>> ( which nobody will ever get anywhere near ) .
>> So all that talk of travel among the stars,
>> UFOs and visiting aliens is total BS !
>
>
> Even current chemical rockets can explore the galaxy in a billion years.
> I.e. around 3 stars per year.
>

They can't get remotely close to leaving our solar system in a
functional capacity let alone anything more fanciful.

> Anyone from a yellow/green star like our sun has a 10 bn year head
> start on us. Most yellow/green stars died out long ago.
>

A head start on an impossible endeavor? I agree.

On 9/01/2023 9:04 am, palsing wrote:
> On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 1:48:42 PM UTC-8, kymho...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Anyone from a yellow/green star like our sun has a 10 bn year head
>> start on us. Most yellow/green stars died out long ago.
>
> There are no green stars, and our Sun is white...
>

I think he's referring to Marvin the Martian.

In alt.astronomy Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> On 9/01/2023 8:48 am, R Kym Horsell wrote:
>> In alt.astronomy casagiannoni@optimum.net wrote:
>>> There are no UFOs or alien visits !
>> You cant prove a negative so we suspect you are lying.
> So I can come up with any old horseshit and if you can't prove it's
> wrong you're lying?
....

To revise junior grade school where you were supposed to learn
this kinda stuff...

Negative theories -- that things dont exist or are impossible --
are fraut because you need to know everything to rule out all
the possibilities.

If someone tries to claim what they say is true yet in principle
can not have evidence for that claim then they are being misleading.
I.e. lying.

If they are a gutless anonymous poster on social media then I
figgure that is already obvious.

Elsewhere psychologists find that people that habitually put things
into the negative are likely habitual liars. They grew up in
a Bart Simpson context always telling mummy and daddy "I didnt do it".

--
http://www.globalideasbank.org/site/bank/idea.php?ideaId=1907
'Liars say "I am not a crook" rather than "I am honest" '
Liars use short sentences, the past tense and negative statements
Bella DePaula, professor of psychology at the University of Virginia,
has found, in a study of 3,000 people, that the following clues are
the most useful indicators of whether somebody is lying:
# Lack of specific detail - not volunteering names of people and places
# Short answers
# Using the past tense
# Using negative statements ("not a crook" rather than "honest")

palsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 1:48:42 PM UTC-8, kymho...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Anyone from a yellow/green star like our sun has a 10 bn year head
>> start on us. Most yellow/green stars died out long ago.
> There are no green stars, and our Sun is white...
.....

Bzzt. To be white it would have to have a flat power spectrum.
And then there should be nothing like this to find:

stellar classification The Sun is a class G star; these are yellow, with
surface temperatures of 5,000-6,000 K.

--
Dunning-Kruger Effect: Ignorance and Overconfidence Affect Intuitive Thinking,
New Study Says
The Debrief, 13 Apr 2021
In a newly published study, researchers say the Dunning-Kruger Effect
can cause low-performers to overestimate their judgments during the
intuitive decision-making process.
According to the study published in the journal Frontiers in
Psychology on April 8, 2021, researchers found that persons with the
highest number of errors demonstrated the highest degree of
miscalibration, or overconfidence, in their actual performance on the
cognitive reflection test.

On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 12:54:42 AM UTC-8, Mr Posting Robot wrote:
> palsing <pnal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 1:48:42 PM UTC-8, kymho...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Anyone from a yellow/green star like our sun has a 10 bn year head
> >> start on us. Most yellow/green stars died out long ago.
> > There are no green stars, and our Sun is white...
> ....
>
> Bzzt. To be white it would have to have a flat power spectrum.
> And then there should be nothing like this to find:
>
> stellar classification The Sun is a class G star; these are yellow, with
> surface temperatures of 5,000-6,000 K.

You did not actually read the linked articles, correct?

palsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 12:54:42 AM UTC-8, Mr Posting Robot wrote:
>> palsing <pnal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 1:48:42 PM UTC-8, kymho...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> Anyone from a yellow/green star like our sun has a 10 bn year head
>> >> start on us. Most yellow/green stars died out long ago.
>> > There are no green stars, and our Sun is white...
>> ....
>> Bzzt. To be white it would have to have a flat power spectrum.
>> And then there should be nothing like this to find:
>> stellar classification The Sun is a class G star; these are yellow, with
>> surface temperatures of 5,000-6,000 K.
> You did not actually read the linked articles, correct?

I did the degree in astrophys instead (Monash 1976).

You were off to a bad start. Someone trying to pick a nit
that immediately gets yellow/green confused with green.

While the CLASS of G stars can "look like" white in the visual
band the sun is not one of those as can be seen by the power spectrum.

It all probably boils down to what does the star "look like" to human
perceptions and what it actually *is* according to astronomical instruments.

Perhaps you are a photographer and are bewitched by perceptual things.
But the power spectrum and plants tend to agree the sun has a peak
in the yellow/green part of the visual range.

If I *have* to give you a link to a plot then:

http://www.greenrhinoenergy.com/solar/radiation/images/solar%20radiance-07.svg

--
UCSB ScienceLine, 2004-01-07
<http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=500>
If the sun's light peaks in the green, why do plants prefer to reflect green
light (giving them their green color)? And in particular why do they prefer
to absorb red light and with that not efficiently utilizing the sun's
radiation?
....
To us it might seem inefficient that plants don't take advantage of the one
part of the spectrum that the sun emits most of its energy in. This is
actually a form of protection. Chlorophyll-a and other pigments are easily
destroyed by too much energy, and when the pigments break down and stop
absorbing light entering the plant, that energy can cause damage to other
plant tissues as well, including the plants' DNA. Think of it as a sort of
plant sunburn. Plants have elaborate mechanisms to repair DNA that has been
damaged by too much sun energy, but these repair mechanisms are costly, and
require extra nutrients. A plant that is stressed by too little nutrients or
too little water can actually die from excess sun exposure.

On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 9:02:20 PM UTC-8, kymho...@gmail.com wrote:
> palsing <pnal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 12:54:42 AM UTC-8, Mr Posting Robot wrote:
> >> palsing <pnal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 1:48:42 PM UTC-8, kymho...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> Anyone from a yellow/green star like our sun has a 10 bn year head
> >> >> start on us. Most yellow/green stars died out long ago.
> >> > There are no green stars, and our Sun is white...
> >> ....
> >> Bzzt. To be white it would have to have a flat power spectrum.
> >> And then there should be nothing like this to find:
> >> stellar classification The Sun is a class G star; these are yellow, with
> >> surface temperatures of 5,000-6,000 K.
> > You did not actually read the linked articles, correct?

> I did the degree in astrophys instead (Monash 1976).

I did the degree in astrophys myself, SDSU 1969... and if you did read the linked articles then you did not understand them. Humans simply cannot see any green stars... "For our eyes to see it as green, a star would have to emit only green light, which is not possible."

palsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 9:02:20 PM UTC-8, kymho...@gmail.com wrote:
>> palsing <pnal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 12:54:42 AM UTC-8, Mr Posting Robot wrote:
>> >> palsing <pnal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 1:48:42 PM UTC-8, kymho...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >> Anyone from a yellow/green star like our sun has a 10 bn year head
>> >> >> start on us. Most yellow/green stars died out long ago.
>> >> > There are no green stars, and our Sun is white...
>> >> ....
>> >> Bzzt. To be white it would have to have a flat power spectrum.
>> >> And then there should be nothing like this to find:
>> >> stellar classification The Sun is a class G star; these are yellow, with
>> >> surface temperatures of 5,000-6,000 K.
>> > You did not actually read the linked articles, correct?
>
>> I did the degree in astrophys instead (Monash 1976).
>
> I did the degree in astrophys myself, SDSU 1969... and if you did read the linked articles then you did not understand them. Humans simply cannot see any green stars... "For our eyes to see it as green, a star would have to emit only green light, which is not possible."

You are trying to shift goalposts from what the sun is -- which is what
I was talking about -- to what humans see.

It's like you sit around all day searching for odd links
to shove at people because you are insecure and project everyone else
is unfamiliar with the material.

You kinda give it away with having to look at some specific link
because maybe other links dont say the same thing, right?

--
[The gentle decline of USENET:]
It's like many things in the 20s.
You're on one USENET group, talking regular to a couple interesting people
and ignoring a couple hillbillies when some trolls start cross-posting
from another, supposedly related, group.
Ah-hah!!! You say to yourself. There are trolls over there. Maybe there
is sentient life over there, too!
And you go over there and stay a while because there are a couple
interesting people over there and you can also get some kicking
practice in wid the new trolls before it gets totally boring.

On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 10:49:39 PM UTC-8, Mr Posting Robot wrote:
> palsing <pnal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 9:02:20 PM UTC-8, kymho...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> palsing <pnal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 12:54:42 AM UTC-8, Mr Posting Robot wrote:
> >> >> palsing <pnal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 1:48:42 PM UTC-8, kymho...@gmail.com wrote:

> >> >> >> Anyone from a yellow/green star like our sun has a 10 bn year head
> >> >> >> start on us. Most yellow/green stars died out long ago.

> >> >> > There are no green stars, and our Sun is white...
> >> >> ....
> >> >> Bzzt. To be white it would have to have a flat power spectrum.
> >> >> And then there should be nothing like this to find:
> >> >> stellar classification The Sun is a class G star; these are yellow, with
> >> >> surface temperatures of 5,000-6,000 K.

> >> > You did not actually read the linked articles, correct?
> >
> >> I did the degree in astrophys instead (Monash 1976).
> >
> > I did the degree in astrophys myself, SDSU 1969... and if you did read the linked articles then you did not understand them. Humans simply cannot see any green stars... "For our eyes to see it as green, a star would have to emit only green light, which is not possible."

> You are trying to shift goalposts from what the sun is -- which is what
> I was talking about -- to what humans see.
>
> It's like you sit around all day searching for odd links
> to shove at people because you are insecure and project everyone else
> is unfamiliar with the material.
>
> You kinda give it away with having to look at some specific link
> because maybe other links dont say the same thing, right?

So, provide a link that supports your position. There are hundreds and hundreds of links that support my position.

There are plenty of stars that have lots of green in them, but they also have lots of other colors in there, too. Remember that white light contains all colors. Sure, the Sun's output peaks in the green, but all the other colors overwhelm that color. The Sun is classified as a GV2 star, which is basically a yellow dwarf, but these stars are typically white with some being slightly yellow. There is nothing remarkable about the Sun.

I'll go make the popcorn.

palsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 10:49:39 PM UTC-8, Mr Posting Robot wrote:
....
> So, provide a link that supports your position. There are hundreds and hundreds of links that support my position.
....

This is were you descend into boring old fart mode.
I've already posted them incl a link to the usual astro 101
spectrum of the sun.
But you just keep deleting them.
Too bad.

On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 10:03:54 PM UTC-8, Mr Posting Robot wrote:
> palsing <pnal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 10:49:39 PM UTC-8, Mr Posting Robot wrote:
> ...
> > So, provide a link that supports your position. There are hundreds and hundreds of links that support my position.
> ...
>
> This is were you descend into boring old fart mode.
> I've already posted them incl a link to the usual astro 101
> spectrum of the sun.
> But you just keep deleting them.
> Too bad.

The spectrum of the Sun tells you nothing about its color. NOTHING! If you read the links, and understood them, you would already know this if you had actually earned a degree in astrophysics, you should ask for you tuition back because you clearly learned nothing!

If a star has a spectrum that peaks in the infrared, would it be invisible? How about the ultraviolet, same question... you don't know what you don't know, this is clear...

palsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 10:03:54 PM UTC-8, Mr Posting Robot wrote:
>> palsing <pnal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 10:49:39 PM UTC-8, Mr Posting Robot wrote:
>> ...
>> > So, provide a link that supports your position. There are hundreds and hundreds of links that support my position.
>> ...
>>
>> This is were you descend into boring old fart mode.
>> I've already posted them incl a link to the usual astro 101
>> spectrum of the sun.
>> But you just keep deleting them.
>> Too bad.
> The spectrum of the Sun tells you nothing about its color.
....

Excellent. Because I was not talking About its color.
I was talking about its spectral class.

Via a series of glumsy straw-men you have been trying to move
the topic to something you just googled because you are apparently
as thick as a plank and that's the best they can afford to
pay for this social media debunking work.

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 12:06:04 AM UTC-8, kymho...@gmail.com wrote:
> palsing <pnal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 10:03:54 PM UTC-8, Mr Posting Robot wrote:
> >> palsing <pnal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 10:49:39 PM UTC-8, Mr Posting Robot wrote:
> >> ...
> >> > So, provide a link that supports your position. There are hundreds and hundreds of links that support my position.
> >> ...
> >>
> >> This is were you descend into boring old fart mode.
> >> I've already posted them incl a link to the usual astro 101
> >> spectrum of the sun.
> >> But you just keep deleting them.
> >> Too bad.
> > The spectrum of the Sun tells you nothing about its color.
> ...
>
> Excellent. Because I was not talking About its color.
> I was talking about its spectral class.
>
Way back near the beginning of this thread you wrote...

"Anyone from a yellow/green star like our sun has a 10 bn year head
start on us. Most yellow/green stars died out long ago."

Not a word there about spectral class, only a comment about color. An incorrect comment about color. My entire response has been about the perceived color of our Sun. I'm pretty sure that your knowledge of stellar evolution is a lot less than you claim it is... for example... "... most yellow/green stars died out a long time ago..." you are so busted, I would surely like to see your evidence for this really outlandish claim! Evidence rules... got any?

palsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 12:06:04 AM UTC-8, kymho...@gmail.com wrote:
>> palsing <pnal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 10:03:54 PM UTC-8, Mr Posting Robot wrote:
>> >> palsing <pnal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 10:49:39 PM UTC-8, Mr Posting Robot wrote:
>> >> ...
>> >> > So, provide a link that supports your position. There are hundreds and hundreds of links that support my position.
>> >> ...
>> >> This is were you descend into boring old fart mode.
>> >> I've already posted them incl a link to the usual astro 101
>> >> spectrum of the sun.
>> >> But you just keep deleting them.
>> >> Too bad.
>> > The spectrum of the Sun tells you nothing about its color.
>> ...
>> Excellent. Because I was not talking About its color.
>> I was talking about its spectral class.
> Way back near the beginning of this thread you wrote...
> "Anyone from a yellow/green star like our sun has a 10 bn year head
> start on us. Most yellow/green stars died out long ago."
> Not a word there about spectral class,
....

Now the conman is starting to show himself.

You are just not very good at this, are you?

Why would I have to mention that? Admittedly, you have not been able
to tell the difference. But I was talking to someone else.
And -- if you look -- there is that interpreation from what I said.
Because you now claim it is ambigious you should have stopped to think.
But you didn't. Either you are just dumb or on a mission and dont need
to think.

Your continued weaseling just underlines you seem to find it
very very important to continue the garbage.

But you have come to the wrong place.

--
[Ob funny related story:]
Conmen are characterised by people that lie they feel "so convincingly"
that given the chance they can talk their way into or out of anything.
They have been fooling everyone they know for years. So it must be true.
But the shit eventually hits the Dunning-Kruger fan.
My parents were both cops at some point. My mother was a "bush cop"
posted to some YHWH-forsaken hole in the desert of South Australia
during WWII. She used to tell us how she and her partner, Dot Pyatt,
used to persuade thieving old miners to come clean with the help of
a giant Japanese handgun they had confiscated from some immigrant.
Dad was in the fed police. He worked his way up from postal investigations
into the AFP and eventually became an Assistant Commissioner.
I think he got one of the last QPM's actually awarded to dam foreigners
by QEII. It's on wiki someplace.
While Dad was posted to some other God-forsaken desert town
ostensibly overseeing the security of govt-owned assets like the
state railway and some rocket and nuclear testing ranges up north,
we used to entertain ourselves by interviewing conmen in the living room.
Conmen would call -- in the guise of someone selling home appliances
or books or something -- and be led into the lounge of our 3-room
govt-supplied asbestos mansion. The folks had bought a piece of
fancy-looking marine blue carpet and had someone "professional" nail it
down with some edging so it looked real nice.
They would call us kids and we would sit around watching Mum and Dad
take turns tearing strips off the guy. It was the 50s and there was
no TV and the only local radio station was not worth listening to
until night unless you got off on highway deaths and crop reports.
Mum would open up because usually these jerks are told to "target the
housewife" because she actually makes all the decisions on what to
buy. And she is real easy to persuade. Mum would act all innocent and
hillbilly-ignorant. For her era she was educated to the hilt with a
university degree and a minor career in serious singing before she
became a cop. But she could play the rural housewife too a tee.
The salesman would recite off his version of page 1 of the sales manual.
Then the questioning would start. Mum would open with an innocent
"Oh.. but it sounds so expensive... I don't think we can afford it"
and bat her eyes at Dad. He was always grinning at something so
an outsider would not understanding his expression now was laughing.
And then they would set to work showing to even the bumbling salesman
that his claims about the product, it's affordability, and all
the stuff you also got "for free" was a tissue of lies set up to
take advantage of poor rural families.
They would get down to brass takes with a final crossfire round
usually ending with a call to the kids to confirm it was obvious
the guy and his company were crooked.
If the guy didn't get up and leave at that point he might be frog-marched to
the front door and pushed out with a trailing "piss off, drongo".
I remember one time the guys had just started to get off the small front porch
when a very very rare downpour started. Before he got to the end of
the driveway he was wet. When we last saw him walking down the street
he was totally drenched, sloshing in mud-holes on the dirt road.
It must have seemed like the additional verdict of the weather gods.
I can sit back now, some 60-70 years later, and think maybe that guy
decided to get out of door to door sales and go into something ethical.
Oh, c'mon! It *could* happen!!

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 1:02:25 AM UTC-8, kymho...@gmail.com wrote:
> palsing <pnal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 12:06:04 AM UTC-8, kymho...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> palsing <pnal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 10:03:54 PM UTC-8, Mr Posting Robot wrote:
> >> >> palsing <pnal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 10:49:39 PM UTC-8, Mr Posting Robot wrote:
> >> >> ...
> >> >> > So, provide a link that supports your position. There are hundreds and hundreds of links that support my position.
> >> >> ...
> >> >> This is were you descend into boring old fart mode.
> >> >> I've already posted them incl a link to the usual astro 101
> >> >> spectrum of the sun.
> >> >> But you just keep deleting them.
> >> >> Too bad.
> >> > The spectrum of the Sun tells you nothing about its color.
> >> ...
> >> Excellent. Because I was not talking About its color.
> >> I was talking about its spectral class.
> > Way back near the beginning of this thread you wrote...
> > "Anyone from a yellow/green star like our sun has a 10 bn year head
> > start on us. Most yellow/green stars died out long ago."
> > Not a word there about spectral class,
> ...
>
> Now the conman is starting to show himself.
>
> You are just not very good at this, are you?
>
> Why would I have to mention that? Admittedly, you have not been able
> to tell the difference. But I was talking to someone else.
> And -- if you look -- there is that interpreation from what I said.
> Because you now claim it is ambigious you should have stopped to think.
> But you didn't. Either you are just dumb or on a mission and dont need
> to think.
>
> Your continued weaseling just underlines you seem to find it
> very very important to continue the garbage.
>
> But you have come to the wrong place.
>
> --
> [Ob funny related story:]
> Conmen are characterised by people that lie they feel "so convincingly"
> that given the chance they can talk their way into or out of anything.
> They have been fooling everyone they know for years. So it must be true.
> But the shit eventually hits the Dunning-Kruger fan.
> My parents were both cops at some point. My mother was a "bush cop"
> posted to some YHWH-forsaken hole in the desert of South Australia
> during WWII. She used to tell us how she and her partner, Dot Pyatt,
> used to persuade thieving old miners to come clean with the help of
> a giant Japanese handgun they had confiscated from some immigrant.
> Dad was in the fed police. He worked his way up from postal investigations
> into the AFP and eventually became an Assistant Commissioner.
> I think he got one of the last QPM's actually awarded to dam foreigners
> by QEII. It's on wiki someplace.
> While Dad was posted to some other God-forsaken desert town
> ostensibly overseeing the security of govt-owned assets like the
> state railway and some rocket and nuclear testing ranges up north,
> we used to entertain ourselves by interviewing conmen in the living room.
> Conmen would call -- in the guise of someone selling home appliances
> or books or something -- and be led into the lounge of our 3-room
> govt-supplied asbestos mansion. The folks had bought a piece of
> fancy-looking marine blue carpet and had someone "professional" nail it
> down with some edging so it looked real nice.
> They would call us kids and we would sit around watching Mum and Dad
> take turns tearing strips off the guy. It was the 50s and there was
> no TV and the only local radio station was not worth listening to
> until night unless you got off on highway deaths and crop reports.
> Mum would open up because usually these jerks are told to "target the
> housewife" because she actually makes all the decisions on what to
> buy. And she is real easy to persuade. Mum would act all innocent and
> hillbilly-ignorant. For her era she was educated to the hilt with a
> university degree and a minor career in serious singing before she
> became a cop. But she could play the rural housewife too a tee.
> The salesman would recite off his version of page 1 of the sales manual.
> Then the questioning would start. Mum would open with an innocent
> "Oh.. but it sounds so expensive... I don't think we can afford it"
> and bat her eyes at Dad. He was always grinning at something so
> an outsider would not understanding his expression now was laughing.
> And then they would set to work showing to even the bumbling salesman
> that his claims about the product, it's affordability, and all
> the stuff you also got "for free" was a tissue of lies set up to
> take advantage of poor rural families.
> They would get down to brass takes with a final crossfire round
> usually ending with a call to the kids to confirm it was obvious
> the guy and his company were crooked.
> If the guy didn't get up and leave at that point he might be frog-marched to
> the front door and pushed out with a trailing "piss off, drongo".
> I remember one time the guys had just started to get off the small front porch
> when a very very rare downpour started. Before he got to the end of
> the driveway he was wet. When we last saw him walking down the street
> he was totally drenched, sloshing in mud-holes on the dirt road.
> It must have seemed like the additional verdict of the weather gods.
> I can sit back now, some 60-70 years later, and think maybe that guy
> decided to get out of door to door sales and go into something ethical.
> Oh, c'mon! It *could* happen!!

Lots of vacuous verbiage and not a single link to evidence in support of your claim. Got it!

palsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> wrote:
....
> Lots of vacuous verbiage and not a single link to evidence in support of your claim. Got it!

The claims are yours.

You are caught on the horns of a dilemma. Poor you. :)

Either you could tell I was talking about spectal classes with
the other guy when I said "a yellow/green star like our sun"
or you can't.

If you can then trying to divert to visual appearance is a strawman
and deceptive.

If you can't then you don't know the material and have no claim to make
authoritive comment.

Continued weaseling just comes down on a mixture of both.

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Dunning-Kruger Effect: Ignorance and Overconfidence Affect Intuitive Thinking,
New Study Says
The Debrief, 13 Apr 2021
In a newly published study, researchers say the Dunning-Kruger Effect
can cause low-performers to overestimate their judgments during the
intuitive decision-making process.
According to the study published in the journal Frontiers in
Psychology on April 8, 2021, researchers found that persons with the
highest number of errors demonstrated the highest degree of
miscalibration, or overconfidence, in their actual performance on the
cognitive reflection test.