Can a whole science be so wrong??
-- Yes: we've seen this in geology with "plate tectonics".
-- Now we see this in paleo-anthropology with "coastal dispersal".

Many paleo-anthropologists are incredibly afro- & anthropo-centrically biased:
-- Homo didn't come from Africa, but from S-Asia,
-- apiths were no human ancestors, but fossil relatives of Gorilla or Pan.

-All Miocene Hominoidea were bipedal (today only hylobatids & humans).
-Gorilla-Homo-Pan ancestors waded-climbed bipedally in Red Sea swamp forests.
-We were no BP runners, but BP waders-climbers in swamp forests.
-Africa = rain-forest + savanna, but there was no "Out of Africa".
-Endurance-running = afro+anthropocentrical fantasy, anatomically & physiologically impossible.
-Etc.
See my book "De evolutie van de mens" Acad.Uitg. Eburon 2022 Utrecht NL, or google
- "aquarboreal",
- "coastal dispersal Pleistocene Homo"
- "GondwanaTalks Verhaegen English".

marc verhaegen wrote:

> Can a whole science be so wrong??

There are many examples of exactly that.

https://jtem.tumblr.com/tagged/phrenology

I took those photos, left the store... went back and bought it.

Yes, I spent $20 on pseudo science!

> -- Yes: we've seen this in geology with "plate tectonics".
> -- Now we see this in paleo-anthropology with "coastal dispersal".
>
> Many paleo-anthropologists are incredibly afro- & anthropo-centrically biased:

The status quo is, the mainstream.

> -- Homo didn't come from Africa, but from S-Asia,

It's complicated. But, yes, "They fell out of a tree, landed on a savanna and
ran down an antelope" is stupid.

> -- apiths were no human ancestors, but fossil relatives of Gorilla or Pan.

We undoubtedly share a common ancestor.

> -All Miocene Hominoidea were bipedal (today only hylobatids & humans).

Certainly looking that way.

> -Gorilla-Homo-Pan ancestors waded-climbed bipedally in Red Sea swamp forests.

Did they though?

> -We were no BP runners, but BP waders-climbers in swamp forests.

Maybe. I prefer the beach model.

> -Africa = rain-forest + savanna, but there was no "Out of Africa".

I think it's because of Toba that we say "Out of Africa."

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Op zaterdag 25 maart 2023 om 01:19:52 UTC+1 schreef JTEM:
> marc verhaegen wrote:

> > Can a whole science be so wrong??

> There are many examples of exactly that.
> https://jtem.tumblr.com/tagged/phrenology
> I took those photos, left the store... went back and bought it.
> Yes, I spent $20 on pseudo science!

:-(

> > -- Yes: we've seen this in geology with "plate tectonics".
> > -- Now we see this in paleo-anthropology with "coastal dispersal".
> > Many paleo-anthropologists are incredibly afro- & anthropo-centrically biased:

> The status quo is, the mainstream.

Can't they use their brain a bit??

> > -- Homo didn't come from Africa, but from S-Asia,

> It's complicated. But, yes, "They fell out of a tree, landed on a savanna and
> ran down an antelope" is stupid.

> > -- apiths were no human ancestors, but fossil relatives of Gorilla or Pan.

> We undoubtedly share a common ancestor.

Homo/Pan 6-5 Ma, HP/Gorilla 8-7 Ma,
-northern Rift: E.Afr.apiths=Gorilla,
-southern Rift: S.Afr.apiths=Pan,
-S.Asian coasts: Plio-Pleist.Homo: H.erectus: Mojokerto etc.

> > -All Miocene Hominoidea were bipedal (today only hylobatids & humans).

> Certainly looking that way.

> > -Gorilla-Homo-Pan ancestors waded-climbed bipedally in Red Sea swamp forests.

> Did they though?

Of course!

> > -We were no BP runners, but BP waders-climbers in swamp forests.

> Maybe. I prefer the beach model.

That was much later.

-- Primates=arboreal,
-- H.erectus=pachyosteosclerosis=shallow-diving=(semi)aquatic.
Evolution is gradual, IOW, the intermediate phase was tree+water=aquarboreal.
I proposed this phase a few years before the wading gorillas of Ndoki were discovered.
:-) Now we know wading bonobos, wading lowland-gorillas, wading orangutans...

> > -Africa = rain-forest + savanna, but there was no "Out of Africa".

> I think it's because of Toba that we say "Out of Africa."

Afrocentrism: they reason: our nearest relatives (P+G) live in Africa, therefore we come from there.
See my book p.299-300:
late-Miocene HPG-LCA lived in swamp forests in the (incipient) Red Sea,
-Gorilla 8-7 Ma followed the (incipient) N-Rift,
-when the red Sea opened into the Gulf (Francesa Mansfield: 5.33 Ma?)
--Pliocene Pan went right ->E.Afr.coast,
--Pliocene Homo went left ->S.Asian coast.

But why exactly did (early-Pleist.?) Homo dive more+more? climate + more shellfish?? ...?

On 3/24/23 06:54, marc verhaegen wrote:
> Can a whole science be so wrong??
> -- Yes: we've seen this in geology with "plate tectonics".
> -- Now we see this in paleo-anthropology with "coastal dispersal".
>
> Many paleo-anthropologists are incredibly afro- & anthropo-centrically
biased:
> -- Homo didn't come from Africa, but from S-Asia,
> -- apiths were no human ancestors, but fossil relatives of Gorilla or Pan.

There is another news group for human origins and the quacks that arguee
them and it is ***not*** here.

Let me try speaking your language. QUACK QUACK

QUACK QUACK QUACK

QUACK Talk.origins

https://talkorigins.org/

On 3/24/23 06:54, marc verhaegen wrote:
> See my book "The gibberish raving of a mad man with an agenda", or google
> - "aquarboreal",
> - "coastal dispersal Pleistocene Homo"
> - "GondwanaTalks Verhaegen English".

I'll pass.

On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 6:56:59 AM UTC-7, Popping Mad wrote:
> On 3/24/23 06:54, marc verhaegen wrote:
> > Can a whole science be so wrong??
> > -- Yes: we've seen this in geology with "plate tectonics".
> > -- Now we see this in paleo-anthropology with "coastal dispersal".
> >
> > Many paleo-anthropologists are incredibly afro- & anthropo-centrically
> biased:
> > -- Homo didn't come from Africa, but from S-Asia,
> > -- apiths were no human ancestors, but fossil relatives of Gorilla or Pan.
> There is another news group for human origins and the quacks that arguee
> them and it is ***not*** here.
>
>
> Let me try speaking your language. QUACK QUACK
>
> QUACK QUACK QUACK
>
> QUACK Talk.origins
>
> https://talkorigins.org/
Bingo! It's generally quieter here, maybe too quiet, but crankery doesn't help.

Quacking Mad, Popping Mad wrote:

> There is another news group for human origins

Is there? Have you ever posted anything on-topic & intelligent there, or is
this basically it for you?

DHA proves Aquatic Ape. You're welcome.

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erik simpson wrote:

> Bingo! It's generally quieter here, maybe too quiet, but crankery doesn't help.

You're the one who said Bigfoot is Lucy's long lost brother.

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https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/712209282631909376

JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Quacking Mad, Popping Mad wrote:
>
>> There is another news group for human origins
>
> Is there? Have you ever posted anything on-topic & intelligent there, or is
> this basically it for you?
>
> DHA proves Aquatic Ape. You're welcome.
>
>

Your a fucking troll

>
>
> -- --
>
> https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/712209282631909376

Ruben Safir wrote:

> Your

DHA is proof that Aquatic Ape is right. There is absolutely no way
humans could have evolved to be so dependent upon it unless
our ancestors were exposed to great supplies.. and that requires
marine resources.

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https://jtem.tumblr.com/tagged/AGW

The *only* argument of retarded PAs who believe their ancestors ran after antelopes over African savannas:

> Your a fucking troll

:-DDD
https://www.gondwanatalks.com/l/the-waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-walking-in-early-humans/