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* New Mongolian alvarezsaurid found in curled positionSight Reader
`* New Mongolian alvarezsaurid found in curled positionJohn Harshman
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 by: Sight Reader - Wed, 22 Nov 2023 06:53 UTC

Probably not an earth-shattering discovery, but this new species is found in a curled position that supposedly matches those of sleeping birds.

I can’t find any link tying the pop science report to any sort of journal entry.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2023/11/17/japan/history/new-dinosaur-discovered-mongolia/?fbclid=iwar0iwx3lufxdqvtujxliiuykg4pwqfsbavsc6t9h0rc2dj_cwcdqgqcti-c

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 by: John Harshman - Wed, 22 Nov 2023 14:17 UTC

On 11/21/23 10:53 PM, Sight Reader wrote:
> Probably not an earth-shattering discovery, but this new species is found in a curled position that supposedly matches those of sleeping birds.
>
> I can’t find any link tying the pop science report to any sort of journal entry.
>
> https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2023/11/17/japan/history/new-dinosaur-discovered-mongolia/?fbclid=iwar0iwx3lufxdqvtujxliiuykg4pwqfsbavsc6t9h0rc2dj_cwcdqgqcti-c

Here's the original:

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0293801

You can judge for yourself whether this is a typical avian sleeping
position, which is on the stomach with the head resting on the back.
This seems as much mammalian as anything, just curled up head to tail.

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 by: John Harshman - Wed, 22 Nov 2023 19:17 UTC

On 11/22/23 8:35 AM, erik simpson wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 6:17:41 AM UTC-8, John Harshman wrote:
>> On 11/21/23 10:53 PM, Sight Reader wrote:
>>> Probably not an earth-shattering discovery, but this new species is found in a curled position that supposedly matches those of sleeping birds.
>>>
>>> I can’t find any link tying the pop science report to any sort of journal entry.
>>>
>>> https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2023/11/17/japan/history/new-dinosaur-discovered-mongolia/?fbclid=iwar0iwx3lufxdqvtujxliiuykg4pwqfsbavsc6t9h0rc2dj_cwcdqgqcti-c
>> Here's the original:
>>
>> https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0293801
>>
>> You can judge for yourself whether this is a typical avian sleeping
>> position, which is on the stomach with the head resting on the back.
>> This seems as much mammalian as anything, just curled up head to tail.
> Being weak on anatomy, I have a hard time seeing what kind of "curled up"
> sleeping position is exhibited here.

Well, the head is turned to face backwards, and the cervical vertebrae,
to the extent they are preserved in anything resembling a life position,
match that. The tail is curved in more or less the same way, though I
wonder even more whether that would match any sort of life position.
Then again, this is harder to tell from photos than from examination of
the actual specimen, so I suppose we have to give the authors some
credit. They say "This posture is identical to the ‘tuck-in’ sleeping
posture seen in troodontids [38–41,73] and potentially oviraptorids
[74–76]."

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