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* Hominid==>Human Evolution??panther2020
+* Hominid==>Human Evolution??John Harshman
|`- Hominid==>Human Evolution??erik simpson
`- Hominid==>Human Evolution??Kerr-Mudd, John

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 by: panther2020 - Wed, 3 Jan 2024 21:17 UTC

For any hominid to have evolved into a human, he'd have needed to lose
everything he needed to live, including:

1 His fur while ice ages were happening
2 Nearly all of his night vision while surrounded by large carnivores
that could all see quite nicely in the dark
3 Nearly all of his sense of smell while trying to make it as a land
prey animal
4 Nearly all of his musculature, in an age when muscle mattered

That's a really stupid plan. Who dreams that sort of thing up??

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 by: John Harshman - Thu, 4 Jan 2024 01:26 UTC

On 1/3/24 1:17 PM, panther2020 wrote:
>
> For any hominid to have evolved into a human,  he'd have needed to lose
> everything he needed to live, including:
>
> 1  His fur while ice ages were happening
> 2  Nearly all of his night vision while surrounded by large carnivores
> that could all see quite nicely in the dark
> 3  Nearly all of his sense of smell while trying to make it as a land
> prey animal
> 4  Nearly all of his musculature, in an age when muscle mattered
>
> That's a really stupid plan.  Who dreams that sort of thing up??

There are a number of fallacies embedded in that short post. The main
one may be just a case of poor expression, but "a hominid" doesn't
evolve; species evolve, not individuals. And of course there's no plan
involved in evolution, and nobody dreams it up.

But for the rest, the first three things were not present in the early
ancestors of humans, so didn't need to be lost. The fourth, maybe, but
consider the possibility that there are tradeoffs involved.

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 by: erik simpson - Thu, 4 Jan 2024 01:43 UTC

On 1/3/24 5:26 PM, John Harshman wrote:
> On 1/3/24 1:17 PM, panther2020 wrote:
>>
>> For any hominid to have evolved into a human,  he'd have needed to
>> lose everything he needed to live, including:
>>
>> 1  His fur while ice ages were happening
>> 2  Nearly all of his night vision while surrounded by large carnivores
>> that could all see quite nicely in the dark
>> 3  Nearly all of his sense of smell while trying to make it as a land
>> prey animal
>> 4  Nearly all of his musculature, in an age when muscle mattered
>>
>> That's a really stupid plan.  Who dreams that sort of thing up??
>
> There are a number of fallacies embedded in that short post. The main
> one may be just a case of poor expression, but "a hominid" doesn't
> evolve; species evolve, not individuals. And of course there's no plan
> involved in evolution, and nobody dreams it up.
>
> But for the rest, the first three things were not present in the early
> ancestors of humans, so didn't need to be lost. The fourth, maybe, but
> consider the possibility that there are tradeoffs involved.
I've filtered the panther out. He's either very ignorant or a troll.

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 by: Kerr-Mudd, John - Thu, 4 Jan 2024 10:35 UTC

On Wed, 3 Jan 2024 15:17:23 -0600
panther2020 <panther2020@vivaldi.net> wrote:

>
> For any hominid to have evolved into a human, he'd have needed to lose
> everything he needed to live, including:
>
> 1 His fur while ice ages were happening
> 2 Nearly all of his night vision while surrounded by large carnivores
> that could all see quite nicely in the dark
> 3 Nearly all of his sense of smell while trying to make it as a land
> prey animal
> 4 Nearly all of his musculature, in an age when muscle mattered
>
> That's a really stupid plan. Who dreams that sort of thing up??

God. God works in mysterious ways.

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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