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 by: Jim Wilkins - Thu, 29 Jun 2023 14:31 UTC

This must be shared:
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 by: pyotr filipivich - Fri, 30 Jun 2023 20:22 UTC

"Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> on Thu, 29 Jun 2023 10:31:09
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>This must be shared:
>https://dn790003.ca.archive.org/0/items/ErnstJngerTheStormOfSteel/Ernst_J%C3%BCnger_The_Storm_of_Steel.pdf

Why?
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pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone."

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 by: Jim Wilkins - Sat, 1 Jul 2023 14:01 UTC

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"Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> on Thu, 29 Jun 2023 10:31:09
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>This must be shared:
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Why?
pyotr filipivich
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It's view of WW1 is different from other accounts such as McBride or
Rickenbacker. He purposely reserved most of his opinions and emotional
reactions for another book and describes the carnage coldly and objectively,
letting the reader encounter and react to it as a participant would as the
horror progresses from incomprehensible to familiar, more like ex reporter
Hemingway than the literate Joshua Chamberlain.
https://emergingcivilwar.com/2016/12/14/night-on-the-battlefield/

Although he was anti-Nazi he shows you the unquestioningly obedient mindset
that empowered them. I'm starting to understand how the American tendency to
doubt authority is a luxury only a very powerful and geographically isolated
nation can afford, and why more vulnerable ones may tend toward militance.

In contrast this is what a professional novelist did to the battle of
Waterloo.
https://www.owleyes.org/text/les-miserables/read/volume-ii-cosette-book-i-waterloo-chapter-iv-a#root-2
General Cambronne was taken prisoner and strongly denied the account, but
it's a good story.

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 by: Keith Willshaw - Sun, 2 Jul 2023 16:38 UTC

On 29/06/2023 15:31, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> This must be shared:
> https://dn790003.ca.archive.org/0/items/ErnstJngerTheStormOfSteel/Ernst_J%C3%BCnger_The_Storm_of_Steel.pdf
>

My grandfather was in the Durham Light Inantry during the Battle of the
Somme, total casualties for the DLI alone were 2469 officers and men
fell in action. 121 were officers, 2348 were other ranks. approx
strength before the battle was 9,600 , there were at least as many
wounded, more if uou count casualties from gas and this was just one battle.
https://heritagecalling.com/2016/07/01/7-things-you-may-not-know-about-the-battle-of-the-somme/#:~:text=The%20majority%20of%20shells%20fired,of%20ammunition%20for%20its%20artillery.

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 by: Jim Wilkins - Sun, 2 Jul 2023 22:13 UTC

"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message news:u7s95q$3c2t4$1@dont-email.me...

On 29/06/2023 15:31, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> This must be shared:
> https://dn790003.ca.archive.org/0/items/ErnstJngerTheStormOfSteel/Ernst_J%C3%BCnger_The_Storm_of_Steel.pdf
>

My grandfather was in the Durham Light Inantry during the Battle of the
Somme, total casualties for the DLI alone were 2469 officers and men
fell in action. 121 were officers, 2348 were other ranks. approx
strength before the battle was 9,600 , there were at least as many
wounded, more if uou count casualties from gas and this was just one battle.
https://heritagecalling.com/2016/07/01/7-things-you-may-not-know-about-the-battle-of-the-somme/#:~:text=The%20majority%20of%20shells%20fired,of%20ammunition%20for%20its%20artillery.

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The Germans were on higher ground and could dig down 10 meters into the
chalky soil to create shell-proof bunkers that withstood the week-long
preparatory barrage. Unlike some of the the Allies they didn't mind pick and
shovel work. They still suffered from flooding but they could pump it out
and send the foul muddy water downhill to annoy the British.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:German_bunker_with_bed_Somme_1916_IWM_Q_1384.jpg

"British troops were astonished at the comfort of German living conditions".
If they had known they might not have expected the barrage to eliminate
resistance, and tried a different plan to break the stalemate.

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