The other day I was pressing something on the little 12 ton press. Over
20 years ago I swapped the Harbor Freight stock 12 ton jack for an air
over hydraulic. It made it so much easier to use. In fact I use it
instead of my 20 ton right up to its limit because its so much more
convenient.

I started to say I didn't recall what, but yes I do. I was making some
hooks for cords and hoses out of 1/2" electrical conduit. I bend a 180
with a conduit bender, and then flatten a section between two plates on
the press. A few holes in the flat section and its ready to be screwed
up and hang heavy cords and hoses less in the way than laying on the
floor and more accessible than stuffed in a box on a shelf.

I was almost done when I started smelling oil. Somewhere on the back
side it started blowing air and oil, but it kept on working. Enough to
finish smashing the one last hook. I finished the last hook, put it on
the front of a shelf, and hung up the last of my cords/hoses etc. That
hook might have gotten a couple coils of flex conduit. I don't recall.

Yeah, that cheap ass Chinese import Harbor Freight junk only last a
little over 20 years. Maybe closer to 25 I forget. I bought it a few
years after they opened a local store.

I think a replacement is about 100 bucks, (129.95 regular price)but I've
been thinking about trying to fix this one. People complain about parts
when it comes to Harbor Freight stuff, but I've had good luck... sorta.
They have a parts department, but you have to call and jump through some
hoops to order parts. Then they take a while to get to you. I was
actually able to get more stars for my Harbor Freight wheel dresser, and
when my Harbor Freight floor jack started leaking (its older then the
air over hydraulic jack) I was able to buy a seal kit for it some few
years ago. The floor jack might not have made 20 years, but it was
close, sees about as much use, and sometimes gets dragged around in the
dirt.

I still have the original jack and it still works just fine, so its not
like I am out of luck if I need to press something. I've also got the
20 ton sitting outside and the 6 ton arbor press on the back bench for
lighter and heavier stuff.

The leak was on the side opposite to where I was standing. Where the
air motor is.

So before I put on a face shield and fire up that jack to see where the
air and oil blasts me in the face from... any guesses as to what went?

Maybe its time to retire the 12 ton, and get an air over for the 20
ton.. its only 20 bucks more.... OH! They have an air over ram that
would fit my engine hoist! Yeah, not. That only gets used every couple
years. Not worth it for me.

--
Bob La Londe
Proffessional Hack, Hobbyist, Wannabe, Shade Tree, Button Pushing, Not a
real machinist

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On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 08:30:26 -0700
Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> wrote:

>I was almost done when I started smelling oil. Somewhere on the back
>side it started blowing air and oil, but it kept on working.

How hot was it that day? Leak might not be so noticeable when cooler...

--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI

On 8/8/2023 5:27 AM, Leon Fisk wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 08:30:26 -0700
> Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> wrote:
>
>> I was almost done when I started smelling oil. Somewhere on the back
>> side it started blowing air and oil, but it kept on working.
>
> How hot was it that day? Leak might not be so noticeable when cooler...
>

Its been pretty hot in the shop every day for about the last month. The
other day we had a breeze and it wasn't cool. It was like walking in
front of a furnace. One day recently I stepped out the back door of the
house to head for the shop and it felt like walking into a wall. My
system just recoiled from the heat. That's okay. This winter when some
of you are fighting your way through snow drifts to get to the wood pile
I'll be grilling steaks on the back porch. Yeah, I have a wood pile
too. I trim the mesquite trees out front and stack the wood for grilling.

I'm actually not all that unhappy with the jack. I don't use it every
day, but it has lasted 20 year. I have used it to its limit many times.
Somebody in another group suggested I go ahead and replace it, then
see if I can fix the original as a backup. I don't know about as a
backup, but I have pulled it off the press and used it as a truck jack
in spots where I couldn't really work the handle on a regular bottle
jack... or just didn't want to lay in the dirt if I didn't have to. It
might be convenient to have an air operated jack at the ready all the
time. I do have plenty of working bottle jacks though. Even my toe
jacks will work as a straight bottle jack if needed. What I really
should do is spend the extra few dollars for a 20 ton air over jack to
put on the bigger press, and strip the 12 ton down to go on the project
metal pile. I've also been thinking about going full push pull on the
20 ton, but a pump, motor, and cylinder is a bit more money. Still
there are other things it might be handy to have a hydraulic power pack
available for.

For now it will likely get ignored until I need it again. I have way to
many projects. Some more important than others.

--
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Proffessional Hack, Hobbyist, Wannabe, Shade Tree, Button Pushing, Not a
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On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 07:57:30 -0700
Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> wrote:

<snip>
>For now it will likely get ignored until I need it again. I have way to
>many projects. Some more important than others.

I have so many projects like that I'll never finish them in this
lifetime. But that's okay, boredom is a far worse woe😉

--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:uatl4s$3em6u$1@dont-email.me...

This winter when some
of you are fighting your way through snow drifts to get to the wood pile
I'll be grilling steaks on the back porch. Yeah, I have a wood pile
too. I trim the mesquite trees out front and stack the wood for grilling.

--------------------

This past winter was very mild with little snow, my notes show 46F on New
Year's Day. I burned only 1-1/4 cords all winter. A typical year's use is
1-3/4, a harsh one 2-1/4. Others with similar houses burn 5-6, so my added
window insulation film and other upgrades have paid off, or else they took
the dealers' word for the amount delivered.

We had some hot (90's) and humid (DP 70's) weeks in July but August has been
70's and lower 80's with dew points mostly below 60F rather than the usual
triple H, hazy, hot and humid. In exchange we've had wildfire smoke,
flooding, power outages, ruined crops and the occasional tornado. Being
downwind of Canada when the jet stream flows south of us has its good and
bad points.

I know I can acclimate myself to 105F from living in an attic apartment and
spending time near Atlanta. Doesn't mean I want to. I can at least dress for
the cold, which around here means below +20F. In college we'd party outdoors
at -20F. I attended a practice climb and picnic on a mountain top in January
where the food would start to freeze between the pot and the mouth.

As we returned in late afternoon to the much warmer bottom we met and turned
around kids from Massachusetts who were trying to hike the trail in
sneakers. The popular trail itself was packed solid but beside it the soft
dry snow was >4' deep. Step off without snowshoes and you sink too far to
climb out, and freeze unless another hiker finds you. Our mountains aren't
relatively high but their weather can be deadly.
https://www.concordmonitor.com/hiker-49331058
jsw in NH

On 8/7/2023 10:30 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
> The other day I was pressing something on the little 12 ton press.  Over
> 20 years ago I swapped the Harbor Freight stock 12 ton jack for an air
> over hydraulic.  It made it so much easier to use.  In fact I use it
> instead of my 20 ton right up to its limit because its so much more
> convenient.
>
> I started to say I didn't recall what, but yes I do.  I was making some
> hooks for cords and hoses out of 1/2" electrical conduit.   I bend a 180
> with a conduit bender, and then flatten a section between two plates on
> the press.  A few holes in the flat section and its ready to be screwed
> up and hang heavy cords and hoses less in the way than laying on the
> floor and more accessible than stuffed in a box on a shelf.
>
> I was almost done when I started smelling oil.  Somewhere on the back
> side it started blowing air and oil, but it kept on working.  Enough to
> finish smashing the one last hook.  I finished the last hook, put it on
> the front of a shelf, and hung up the last of my cords/hoses etc.  That
> hook might have gotten a couple coils of flex conduit.  I don't recall.
>
> Yeah, that cheap ass Chinese import Harbor Freight junk only last a
> little over 20 years.  Maybe closer to 25 I forget.  I bought it a few
> years after they opened a local store.
>
> I think a replacement is about 100 bucks, (129.95 regular price)but I've
> been thinking about trying to fix this one.  People complain about parts
> when it comes to Harbor Freight stuff, but I've had good luck... sorta.
> They have a parts department, but you have to call and jump through some
> hoops to order parts.  Then they take a while to get to you.  I was
> actually able to get more stars for my Harbor Freight wheel dresser, and
> when my Harbor Freight floor jack started leaking (its older then the
> air over hydraulic jack) I was able to buy a seal kit for it some few
> years ago.  The floor jack might not have made 20 years, but it was
> close, sees about as much use, and sometimes gets dragged around in the
> dirt.
>
> I still have the original jack and it still works just fine, so its not
> like I am out of luck if I need to press something.  I've also got the
> 20 ton sitting outside and the 6 ton arbor press on the back bench for
> lighter and heavier stuff.
>
> The leak was on the side opposite to where I was standing.  Where the
> air motor is.
>
> So before I put on a face shield and fire up that jack to see where the
> air and oil blasts me in the face from... any guesses as to what went?
>
> Maybe its time to retire the 12 ton, and get an air over for the 20
> ton.. its only 20 bucks more.... OH!  They have an air over ram that
> would fit my engine hoist!  Yeah, not.  That only gets used every couple
> years.  Not worth it for me.
>
>
>
>

I'm tired of pumping the 20t jack on my 12t HF press . So I just ordered
a 20t air/hydraulic jack on eBay . Just under a hundred bucks . I'll
report on it when I get it installed and have pressed something .
Gettin' old ain't so bad if you can afford tools to do what your muscles
can't any more ...
--
Snag
Men don't protect women because they're weak .
We protect them because they're important .

On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 07:57:30 -0700, Bob La Londe <none@none.com99>
wrote:

>On 8/8/2023 5:27 AM, Leon Fisk wrote:
>> On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 08:30:26 -0700
>> Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> wrote:
>>
>>> I was almost done when I started smelling oil. Somewhere on the back
>>> side it started blowing air and oil, but it kept on working.
>>
>> How hot was it that day? Leak might not be so noticeable when cooler...
>>
>
>Its been pretty hot in the shop every day for about the last month. The
>other day we had a breeze and it wasn't cool. It was like walking in
>front of a furnace. One day recently I stepped out the back door of the
>house to head for the shop and it felt like walking into a wall. My
>system just recoiled from the heat. That's okay. This winter when some
>of you are fighting your way through snow drifts to get to the wood pile
>I'll be grilling steaks on the back porch. Yeah, I have a wood pile
>too. I trim the mesquite trees out front and stack the wood for grilling.

By the sound of things you could grill a steak on the deck about now
WITHOUT a fire ---
>
>I'm actually not all that unhappy with the jack. I don't use it every
>day, but it has lasted 20 year. I have used it to its limit many times.
> Somebody in another group suggested I go ahead and replace it, then
>see if I can fix the original as a backup. I don't know about as a
>backup, but I have pulled it off the press and used it as a truck jack
>in spots where I couldn't really work the handle on a regular bottle
>jack... or just didn't want to lay in the dirt if I didn't have to. It
>might be convenient to have an air operated jack at the ready all the
>time. I do have plenty of working bottle jacks though. Even my toe
>jacks will work as a straight bottle jack if needed. What I really
>should do is spend the extra few dollars for a 20 ton air over jack to
>put on the bigger press, and strip the 12 ton down to go on the project
>metal pile. I've also been thinking about going full push pull on the
>20 ton, but a pump, motor, and cylinder is a bit more money. Still
>there are other things it might be handy to have a hydraulic power pack
>available for.
>
>For now it will likely get ignored until I need it again. I have way to
>many projects. Some more important than others.
>
>--
>Bob La Londe
>Proffessional Hack, Hobbyist, Wannabe, Shade Tree, Button Pushing, Not a
>real machinist

On 8/7/2023 8:30 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
> The other day I was pressing something on the little 12 ton press.  Over
> 20 years ago I swapped the Harbor Freight stock 12 ton jack for an air
> over hydraulic.  It made it so much easier to use.  In fact I use it
> instead of my 20 ton right up to its limit because its so much more
> convenient.
>
> I started to say I didn't recall what, but yes I do.  I was making some
> hooks for cords and hoses out of 1/2" electrical conduit.   I bend a 180
> with a conduit bender, and then flatten a section between two plates on
> the press.  A few holes in the flat section and its ready to be screwed
> up and hang heavy cords and hoses less in the way than laying on the
> floor and more accessible than stuffed in a box on a shelf.
>
> I was almost done when I started smelling oil.  Somewhere on the back
> side it started blowing air and oil, but it kept on working.  Enough to
> finish smashing the one last hook.  I finished the last hook, put it on
> the front of a shelf, and hung up the last of my cords/hoses etc.  That
> hook might have gotten a couple coils of flex conduit.  I don't recall.
>
> Yeah, that cheap ass Chinese import Harbor Freight junk only last a
> little over 20 years.  Maybe closer to 25 I forget.  I bought it a few
> years after they opened a local store.
>
> I think a replacement is about 100 bucks, (129.95 regular price)but I've
> been thinking about trying to fix this one.  People complain about parts
> when it comes to Harbor Freight stuff, but I've had good luck... sorta.
> They have a parts department, but you have to call and jump through some
> hoops to order parts.  Then they take a while to get to you.  I was
> actually able to get more stars for my Harbor Freight wheel dresser, and
> when my Harbor Freight floor jack started leaking (its older then the
> air over hydraulic jack) I was able to buy a seal kit for it some few
> years ago.  The floor jack might not have made 20 years, but it was
> close, sees about as much use, and sometimes gets dragged around in the
> dirt.
>
> I still have the original jack and it still works just fine, so its not
> like I am out of luck if I need to press something.  I've also got the
> 20 ton sitting outside and the 6 ton arbor press on the back bench for
> lighter and heavier stuff.
>
> The leak was on the side opposite to where I was standing.  Where the
> air motor is.
>
> So before I put on a face shield and fire up that jack to see where the
> air and oil blasts me in the face from... any guesses as to what went?
>
> Maybe its time to retire the 12 ton, and get an air over for the 20
> ton.. its only 20 bucks more.... OH!  They have an air over ram that
> would fit my engine hoist!  Yeah, not.  That only gets used every couple
> years.  Not worth it for me.
>

Well, I did it. I ordered another air over hydraulic jack from Harbor
Freight. I mean the first one only lasted 20+ years. How can I expect
any better out of its replacement. (Shakes head.)

I was sucked in by an advertisement. They manipulated my brain with
subliminal advertising. My eyes saw a jack, but my mind saw a super
model. I thought... "gee my wife might have an issue with this," but I
convinced myself otherwise. "Its only a jack. She won't mind. Really."
Then I saw the parking lot sale price "in store and online." I bought
two of them in case one gets tired or has a headache... Errr I mean
blows a seal or wears out.

Nah, the plan is to do what I should have done years ago. Throw one on
the 20 ton press, and retired the 12 ton to the scrap metal rack out
back. The second is because sometimes it is really handy to just have a
loose air over jack in the shop, and now I won't have to lever it on and
off the press when I need one. With the sale prices it was $30 cheaper
than the 12 ton.

Of course if I ever have a spare moment in the shop without something
actually important to do I'll take a look at the 20 year old 12 ton and
see if I can fix it too. Nah I'll probably just logon to the news server
and blather on about something or another.

I also ordered a battery operated hot glue gun and a battery operated
spotlight that use the Bauer batteries, because well why not.

(Subliminal advertising again. In my mind I saw professional cheerleaders.)

--
Bob La Londe
Proffessional Hack, Hobbyist, Wannabe, Shade Tree, Button Pushing, Not a
real machinist

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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:ubedaa$2gjjb$1@dont-email.me...

I also ordered a battery operated hot glue gun and a battery operated
spotlight that use the Bauer batteries, because well why not.

--------------------

HF is hard to walk through without buying something you don't really need. I
keep stopping at the ring roller to imagine what it could make. The cure
seems to be not having a place to put anything else.

On 8/15/2023 4:36 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:ubedaa$2gjjb$1@dont-email.me...
>
> I also ordered a battery operated hot glue gun and a battery operated
> spotlight that use the Bauer batteries, because well why not.
>
> --------------------
>
> HF is hard to walk through without buying something you don't really
> need. I keep stopping at the ring roller to imagine what it could make.
> The cure seems to be not having a place to put anything else.
>

I started out just planning to order some hot glue sticks... The results
for the glue sticks also showed the battery operated hot glue gun. When
I am putting together an order I'll often add things of interest to the
shopping cart so I can find them easily. Then I'll delete all the items
I am not really interested in before I check out.

I do have a couple corded hot glue guns, but they can be awkward to drag
a cord around where I need it some times. I use hot glue in odd places.
For example in the control cabinet for the KMB1 mill there are low
current trigger relays just hot glued to the back plane. Anyway, when I
added the gun to the cart there was a price drop I did not expect. The
light was something I had planned to buy anyway.

I've been accumulating things that use the Bauer lithium batteries that
might be handy like lights for camping, cordless grinder so I don't have
to pull a piece of equipment up to the shop for one cut/grind... I
already have a couple Bauer battery powered service light. A lot of
these things are cheap and it doesn't matter if I don't use them often
because I have the batteries for things I use all the time like the two
Bauer cordless drills on the back work bench.

Harbor Freight suffers from their own success in this regard. The
batteries for the Bauer tools are decent, and they have failed to
convince me to switch to their more expensive Atlas line of cordless
tools. If their batteries were cross compatible I might buy some of
both lines of tools. Sadly its their own fault even there. The
batteries are basically identical in different color plastic, and just
changed deliberately to prevent cross use.

As to the jacks. They were actually the last item added to the cart. I
saw them come through on a parking lot sale for $99. As an inside track
member I got early access to sale pricing.

Then there is their "new" flat rate shipping. I don't know if this is
an inside track thing only or if its just their new shipping model, but
two 20 ton jacks (on sale), some cordless tools (some on sale), and
several bags of hot glue sticks shipped for only $6.99. I can't drive
to the store for $6.99 at the price of gas these days. When I can get
several items shipped together all of which would cost more to ship
individually from anybody else... When I log on to their website I
usually already have a list of needs and a list of wants that I plan to
check current pricing and deals on. Often if its regular price I leave
it on the list until next time.

I don't physically visit the store anymore except for those occasional
inside track coupons that offer 30% off any item no exceptions... in
store only. Then only if I actually need something that will save me
more than the gas money on, or if I am already in town on other errands.
Okay sometimes I need something TODAY, but not that often.

--
Bob La Londe
Proffessional Hack, Hobbyist, Wannabe, Shade Tree, Button Pushing, Not a
real machinist

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On 8/15/2023 4:36 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:ubedaa$2gjjb$1@dont-email.me...
>
> I also ordered a battery operated hot glue gun and a battery operated
> spotlight that use the Bauer batteries, because well why not.
>
> --------------------
>
> HF is hard to walk through without buying something you don't really
> need. I keep stopping at the ring roller to imagine what it could make.
> The cure seems to be not having a place to put anything else.
>

I haven't had much use for a ring roller, a buddy has one he would lend
me any time, and I think I would enjoy making one more than buying one
if I had the time.

--
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Proffessional Hack, Hobbyist, Wannabe, Shade Tree, Button Pushing, Not a
real machinist

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On 8/15/2023 11:17 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
> On 8/15/2023 4:36 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>> "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:ubedaa$2gjjb$1@dont-email.me...
>>
>> I also ordered a battery operated hot glue gun and a battery operated
>> spotlight that use the Bauer batteries, because well why not.
>>
>> --------------------
>>
>> HF is hard to walk through without buying something you don't really
>> need. I keep stopping at the ring roller to imagine what it could
>> make. The cure seems to be not having a place to put anything else.
>>
>
>
> I haven't had much use for a ring roller, a buddy has one he would lend
> me any time, and I think I would enjoy making one more than buying one
> if I had the time.
>
>

Looks like supermodels are less reliable than cheerleaders. Tracking
shows the supermodels have been partying in Bloomington for a couple
days now. The cheerleaders should arrive today.

--
Bob La Londe
Proffessional Hack, Hobbyist, Wannabe, Shade Tree, Button Pushing, Not a
real machinist

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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:uboapl$bibs$1@dont-email.me...

Looks like supermodels are less reliable than cheerleaders. Tracking
shows the supermodels have been partying in Bloomington for a couple
days now. The cheerleaders should arrive today.
Bob La Londe

-----------------------

Did you mean to share that with all of r.c.m?

On 8/18/2023 1:35 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:uboapl$bibs$1@dont-email.me...
> Looks like supermodels are less reliable than cheerleaders.  Tracking
> shows the supermodels have been partying in Bloomington for a couple
> days now.  The cheerleaders should arrive today.
> Bob La Londe
>
> -----------------------
>
> Did you mean to share that with all of r.c.m?
>

Yep. Its was a continuation of a joke nobody appreciated the first time.

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CNC Molds N Stuff

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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:ubolh1$d2vg$1@dont-email.me...

On 8/18/2023 1:35 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:uboapl$bibs$1@dont-email.me...
> Looks like supermodels are less reliable than cheerleaders. Tracking
> shows the supermodels have been partying in Bloomington for a couple days
> now. The cheerleaders should arrive today.
> Bob La Londe
>
> -----------------------
>
> Did you mean to share that with all of r.c.m?
>

Yep. Its was a continuation of a joke nobody appreciated the first time.
Bob La Londe

-----------------------
NOT MEATLOAF AGAIN!

I've been fighting Gmail about a looping Catch-22 that I can't change the
verification phone number without entering a code sent as text to a landline
phone. "I'm sorry, Dave, I can't do that."

On 8/18/2023 3:00 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:ubolh1$d2vg$1@dont-email.me...
>
> On 8/18/2023 1:35 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>> "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:uboapl$bibs$1@dont-email.me...
>> Looks like supermodels are less reliable than cheerleaders.  Tracking
>> shows the supermodels have been partying in Bloomington for a couple
>> days now.  The cheerleaders should arrive today.
>> Bob La Londe
>>
>> -----------------------
>>
>> Did you mean to share that with all of r.c.m?
>>
>
> Yep.  Its was a continuation of a joke nobody appreciated the first time.
> Bob La Londe
>
> -----------------------
> NOT MEATLOAF AGAIN!
>
> I've been fighting Gmail about a looping Catch-22 that I can't change
> the verification phone number without entering a code sent as text to a
> landline phone. "I'm sorry, Dave, I can't do that."
>

The scary thing is that of all the various scifi predictors of AI
outcomes HAL is one of the least terrifying.

Yeah, two factor authentication sucks sometimes. When Google forced
everybody to use it then it rendered the "find my phone" web page useless.

"No problem Bob, we will locate your cell phone for you as soon as you
provide us with the code we sent to your cell phone."

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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:ubos35$e0p9$1@dont-email.me...

On 8/18/2023 3:00 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:ubolh1$d2vg$1@dont-email.me...
>
> On 8/18/2023 1:35 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>> "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:uboapl$bibs$1@dont-email.me...
>> Looks like supermodels are less reliable than cheerleaders. Tracking
>> shows the supermodels have been partying in Bloomington for a couple days
>> now. The cheerleaders should arrive today.
>> Bob La Londe
>>
>> -----------------------
>>
>> Did you mean to share that with all of r.c.m?
>>
>
> Yep. Its was a continuation of a joke nobody appreciated the first time.
> Bob La Londe
>
> -----------------------
> NOT MEATLOAF AGAIN!
>
> I've been fighting Gmail about a looping Catch-22 that I can't change the
> verification phone number without entering a code sent as text to a
> landline phone. "I'm sorry, Dave, I can't do that."
>

The scary thing is that of all the various scifi predictors of AI
outcomes HAL is one of the least terrifying.

Yeah, two factor authentication sucks sometimes. When Google forced
everybody to use it then it rendered the "find my phone" web page useless.

"No problem Bob, we will locate your cell phone for you as soon as you
provide us with the code we sent to your cell phone."
Bob La Londe

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James Cameron meant "The Terminator" as a warning.

On "Stars on Mars" when a hostile virus took over the station's AI they had
to reboot it by either Lance Armstrong stationary bicycling 20 miles or
Tinashe solving a musical Simon puzzle within a short time limit. As
ridiculous as those are they eerily approximate the illogic of real life
with computers. They think, so we don't have to.

I hope no one actually intends to send actors and athletes on difficult
explorations, unless to dispose of them.

A NASA participant told me the story behind Neil Armstrong's moon landing
computer "problem" and it wasn't too much different. The flashing light was
a loop watchdog timer that hadn't been extended to account for the large
amount of code added after the computer was built.

On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 18:00:46 -0400
"Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>
>I've been fighting Gmail about a looping Catch-22 that I can't change the
>verification phone number without entering a code sent as text to a landline
>phone. "I'm sorry, Dave, I can't do that."

Probably not helpful... I generate my own codes. App for Android or a
utility program via a Linux terminal program. Don't need phone access
to sign in that way...

https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.beemdevelopment.aegis/

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Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI

On 8/19/2023 5:42 AM, Leon Fisk wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 18:00:46 -0400
> "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>> I've been fighting Gmail about a looping Catch-22 that I can't change the
>> verification phone number without entering a code sent as text to a landline
>> phone. "I'm sorry, Dave, I can't do that."
>
> Probably not helpful... I generate my own codes. App for Android or a
> utility program via a Linux terminal program. Don't need phone access
> to sign in that way...
>
> https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.beemdevelopment.aegis/
>

I like the clean apps on f-droid. To bad its mostly games.

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Bob La Londe
Proffessional Hack, Hobbyist, Wannabe, Shade Tree, Button Pushing, Not a
real machinist

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