I've been trying to work on an aluminum boat for the last month or so,
but its WAY TO FREAKING HOT outside. It used to belong to a friend. I
was there and held his hand for a few hours the day he died. I don't
think he was still there even then, but I was there and watched his
grandson for a few hours so his daughter could run some errands.

There was one thing he asked to be done with his boat after he died.
That's why I have been working on it in this heat. I've been informed
by one of his other friends that the deed is ready to be done whenever I
am ready. I'm obviously not ready.

I got tired of burning my hands every time I picked up a tool. I did
get some work done with use of a popup shade, but it was going. I've
got some lights on the front of the shop so working after sunset is an
option. The problem with that is these days after working all day I'm
beat by then.

Its marginally less miserable inside the shop. The problem with that is
well, its only MARGINALLY less miserable, and I have dozens of past
present and future projects in the way. I decided to atleast throw
away some stuff I may never use, move some projects out of the way, and
maybe finish one. Basically make some room to drag that boat inside to
work on. It will still be miserable, but atleast I won't burn my hands
every time I pick up a tool.

Five years ago I bought a new winch bumper for the front of the Jeep.
The box has been laying on the floor in that work bay ever since. Well
yesterday I threw that box away and now there is a lot less room in that
bay to work. There is a Jeep parked in there (its shorter than the boat
and trailer), and there is a bumper and air dam that came off the Jeep
laying on the floor. The new bumper atleast isn't also laying there. I
set in the back on the welding table so I could extend the pigtails. I
would have finished, but the LED "fog" lights in the new off road winch
bumper are just pig tailed and the stock ones mated with pigtail plugs
on the factory wiring harness. I'm not sure I want to cut those plugs
off so I can hard wire in the lights in the new bumper.

Well the other reason I didn't finish is that while it is less miserable
inside the shop than out front, its not very damn much less miserable.
Thankfully my office and the small machine room where most of my day job
is performed is air conditioned. I had to stop working and wander into
the office every 30 minutes for a bottle of water and to cool down.

I may take this afternoon off to finish installing that new bumper...
once I come to the realization that I'm just going to have to cut the
stock plugs off the factory wiring harness.

And this is why nothing ever gets done.

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real machinist

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On Thu, 3 Aug 2023 10:29:49 -0700
Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> wrote:

<snip>
>I may take this afternoon off to finish installing that new bumper...
>once I come to the realization that I'm just going to have to cut the
>stock plugs off the factory wiring harness.
>
>And this is why nothing ever gets done.

Well it's good to hear you're having a "miserable" time😏

Hadn't heard anything from you recently and was hoping you were still
okay. Hearing the heat warnings on the news from down there
everyday had me wondering😬

--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:uago6g$rlmd$1@dont-email.me...

Five years ago I bought a new winch bumper for the front of the Jeep.
The box has been laying on the floor in that work bay ever since. Well
yesterday I threw that box away and now there is a lot less room in that
bay to work. There is a Jeep parked in there (its shorter than the boat
and trailer), and there is a bumper and air dam that came off the Jeep
laying on the floor. The new bumper atleast isn't also laying there. I
set in the back on the welding table so I could extend the pigtails. I
would have finished, but the LED "fog" lights in the new off road winch
bumper are just pig tailed and the stock ones mated with pigtail plugs
on the factory wiring harness. I'm not sure I want to cut those plugs
off so I can hard wire in the lights in the new bumper.

---------------------------

Amazon sells kits of waterproof automotive connectors that you could Y
splice into the plug leads, or just add flat "SAE" trailer connectors.

If you do cut off the factory plug I'd leave about 6" of wire attached to be
able to reuse it. Marine grade heatshrink has hot melt glue inside to seal
the splice.

On 8/3/2023 3:12 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:uago6g$rlmd$1@dont-email.me...
>
> Five years ago I bought a new winch bumper for the front of the Jeep.
> The box has been laying on the floor in that work bay ever since.  Well
> yesterday I threw that box away and now there is a lot less room in that
> bay to work.  There is a Jeep parked in there (its shorter than the boat
> and trailer), and there is a bumper and air dam that came off the Jeep
> laying on the floor.  The new bumper atleast isn't also laying there.  I
> set in the back on the welding table so I could extend the pigtails.  I
> would have finished, but the LED "fog" lights in the new off road winch
> bumper are just pig tailed and the stock ones mated with pigtail plugs
> on the factory wiring harness.   I'm not sure I want to cut those plugs
> off so I can hard wire in the lights in the new bumper.
>
> ---------------------------
>
> Amazon sells kits of waterproof automotive connectors that you could Y
> splice into the plug leads, or just add flat "SAE" trailer connectors.
>
> If you do cut off the factory plug I'd leave about 6" of wire attached
> to be able to reuse it. Marine grade heatshrink has hot melt glue inside
> to seal the splice.
>

I didn't think there was any chance at all, but this looks like it.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/174710405437

Just cut off the end that matches the plug on the jeep, and wire the
other to the lights in the bumper. Then it can always be swapped back
to the stock bumper.

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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:uaha63$u5l4$1@dont-email.me...

I didn't think there was any chance at all, but this looks like it.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/174710405437

Just cut off the end that matches the plug on the jeep, and wire the
other to the lights in the bumper. Then it can always be swapped back
to the stock bumper.

Bob La Londe
CNC Molds N Stuff

-----------------------------

https://www.autozone.com/parts/electrical-and-lighting/electrical-connectors/jeep

On 8/4/2023 9:22 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:uaha63$u5l4$1@dont-email.me...
>
> I didn't think there was any chance at all, but this looks like it.
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/174710405437
>
> Just cut off the end that matches the plug on the jeep, and wire the
> other to the lights in the bumper.  Then it can always be swapped back
> to the stock bumper.
>
> Bob La Londe
> CNC Molds N Stuff
>
> -----------------------------
>
> https://www.autozone.com/parts/electrical-and-lighting/electrical-connectors/jeep
>

Yeah I saw that one too. Its pretty pricey and appears to be a
replacement for the one on the wiring harness. Not the one that plugs
into it.

To be fair I do not think I have ever turned on the fog lights on the
Jeep, and at the moment I'm not even sure I know exactly how. Its like
extra fish hooks or a bigger motor. Its better to have it and not need
it than to need it and not have it.

--
Bob La Londe
Proffessional Hack, Hobbyist, Wannabe, Shade Tree, Button Pushing, Not a
real machinist

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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:uaj9hm$1beee$1@dont-email.me...

To be fair I do not think I have ever turned on the fog lights on the
Jeep, and at the moment I'm not even sure I know exactly how. Its like
extra fish hooks or a bigger motor. Its better to have it and not need
it than to need it and not have it.
Bob La Londe

-----------------

Arizona has fog??

On 8/4/2023 9:48 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:uaj9hm$1beee$1@dont-email.me...
> To be fair I do not think I have ever turned on the fog lights on the
> Jeep, and at the moment I'm not even sure I know exactly how.  Its like
> extra fish hooks or a bigger motor.  Its better to have it and not need
> it than to need it and not have it.
> Bob La Londe
>
> -----------------
>
> Arizona has fog??
>

Yeah, about once or twice a year actually. It usually lifts/dissipates
with the sun. I'm not sure where it comes from, but we do have a direct
path to the Sea of Cortez with no mountains in between. You old farts
would have been taught to call it the Gulf of California. I guess a fog
in the gulf could push right up the Colorado River valley.

Dust is more likely, but the way my life and business are structured
these days I almost never "have to" go anywhere "right now." The
exception being if a family member is in trouble or if one of my four
friends needs me.... and three of them don't live here. If they are in
trouble its possible they went off the road in the fog.

Send me a pin and give me a few minutes to gather up emergency gear. I
still don't have a winch installed on the Jeep. Ha! Id be more likely
to bring the truck anyway due to the weight advantage, and close to the
house I might bring the tractor.

Interestingly I have gotten both the truck and the tractor stuck before,
but I have not yet gotten the Jeep stuck. If you jack it up and fill in
the holes the truck usually will drive right out if I flatten the tires.
So far anyway. The tractor (also 4wd) can drag or push itself out
with the loader bucket. I could claim that's why the Jeep is getting
the winch, but the honest truth is its vanity. I hate the look of the
plastic bumpers on the Jeep. I guess not that much since its taken me
almost 6 years to start swapping them out. Maybe by the time its worn
out and blown up I'll get rid of those stupid looking plastic wheel
fenders too. Anyway, if I'm going to swap the bumper on a Jeep it
should be to winch bumper, so when people gather around the sugar barrel
at the general store to lie about their hotrods I can honestly say,
"Well my Jeep is modified too."

Its funny, when I first bought it I had half a dozen people ask me, "So
what are you going to do with it?" like it was just assumed anybody who
bought a Jeep was either building a rock crawler or a swamp buggy.

My answer was always the same, "Drive it." I wouldn't mind someday
driving the "modern" Devil's Highway along the border, but not enough to
build a special rig for it. Then I ran trap lines with a station wagon
my first year doing it. LOL.

--
Bob La Londe
Proffessional Hack, Hobbyist, Wannabe, Shade Tree, Button Pushing, Not a
real machinist

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On 8/4/2023 11:28 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
> On 8/4/2023 9:48 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>> "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:uaj9hm$1beee$1@dont-email.me...
>> To be fair I do not think I have ever turned on the fog lights on the
>> Jeep, and at the moment I'm not even sure I know exactly how.  Its
>> like extra fish hooks or a bigger motor.  Its better to have it and
>> not need it than to need it and not have it.
>> Bob La Londe
>>
>> -----------------
>>
>> Arizona has fog??
>>
>
>
> Yeah, about once or twice a year actually.  It usually lifts/dissipates
> with the sun.  I'm not sure where it comes from, but we do have a direct
> path to the Sea of Cortez with no mountains in between.  You old farts
> would have been taught to call it the Gulf of California.  I guess a fog
> in the gulf could push right up the Colorado River valley.
>
> Dust is more likely, but the way my life and business are structured
> these days I almost never "have to" go anywhere "right now."  The
> exception being if a family member is in trouble or if one of my four
> friends needs me.... and three of them don't live here.  If they are in
> trouble its possible they went off the road in the fog.
>
> Send me a pin and give me a few minutes to gather up emergency gear.  I
> still don't have a winch installed on the Jeep.  Ha!  Id be more likely
> to bring the truck anyway due to the weight advantage, and close to the
> house I might bring the tractor.
>
> Interestingly I have gotten both the truck and the tractor stuck before,
> but I have not yet gotten the Jeep stuck.  If you jack it up and fill in
> the holes the truck usually will drive right out if I flatten the tires.
>  So far anyway.  The tractor (also 4wd) can drag or push itself out
> with the loader bucket.  I could claim that's why the Jeep is getting
> the winch, but the honest truth is its vanity.  I hate the look of the
> plastic bumpers on the Jeep.  I guess not that much since its taken me
> almost 6 years to start swapping them out.  Maybe by the time its worn
> out and blown up I'll get rid of those stupid looking plastic wheel
> fenders too.  Anyway, if I'm going to swap the bumper on a Jeep it
> should be to winch bumper, so when people gather around the sugar barrel
> at the general store to lie about their hotrods I can honestly say,
> "Well my Jeep is modified too."
>
> Its funny, when I first bought it I had half a dozen people ask me, "So
> what are you going to do with it?" like it was just assumed anybody who
> bought a Jeep was either building a rock crawler or a swamp buggy.
>
> My answer was always the same, "Drive it."  I wouldn't mind someday
> driving the "modern" Devil's Highway along the border, but not enough to
> build a special rig for it.  Then I ran trap lines with a station wagon
> my first year doing it.  LOL.
>

Well, the bumper is installed. The plugs I found on FleaBay seem to be
the right ones. The lights work anyway. Yes. I am certain I had never
turned the fog lights on before. I had to hunt for a while to figure
out how.

The new winch was supposed to arrive today, but its coming by FedEx.
I'll be happy if it arrives intact. On time? That's not even an option.
--
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CNC Molds N Stuff

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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:uasdbg$37nr7$1@dont-email.me...

Well, the bumper is installed. The plugs I found on FleaBay seem to be
the right ones. The lights work anyway. Yes. I am certain I had never
turned the fog lights on before. I had to hunt for a while to figure
out how.

The new winch was supposed to arrive today, but its coming by FedEx.
I'll be happy if it arrives intact. On time? That's not even an option.

Bob La Londe

--------------

Here is a rooftop accessory you might like:
https://inertproducts.com/product/m2-hb-50-cal-oxy-propane-gunfire-simulator/

Some warbirds have them in the wings, remotely operated. I watched a P-40
and a replica Zero meet head-on, then the P-40 did a surprisingly quick and
nimble wingover turn and dropped onto the Zero's tail, firing those guns,
while the Zero made smoke.

On 8/8/2023 4:33 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:uasdbg$37nr7$1@dont-email.me...
>
>
> Well, the bumper is installed.  The plugs I found on FleaBay seem to be
> the right ones.  The lights work anyway.  Yes.  I am certain I had never
> turned the fog lights on before.  I had to hunt for a while to figure
> out how.
>
> The new winch was supposed to arrive today, but its coming by FedEx.
> I'll be happy if it arrives intact.  On time?  That's not even an option.
>
> Bob La Londe
>
> --------------
>
> Here is a rooftop accessory you might like:
> https://inertproducts.com/product/m2-hb-50-cal-oxy-propane-gunfire-simulator/
>
> Some warbirds have them in the wings, remotely operated. I watched a
> P-40 and a replica Zero meet head-on, then the P-40 did a surprisingly
> quick and nimble wingover turn and dropped onto the Zero's tail, firing
> those guns, while the Zero made smoke.
>

Sounds like a fun air show.

If I could find the right mount that might look cool to put on my dad's
'42 Willys Jeep. His is painted olive drab of course. I think he had
some olive drab paint surplus from something because I remember him
painting file cabinets and benches with the stuff long before he had
traded for the Jeep.

One day I was out fishing in a local irrigation canal, when I heard a
shot way to close. I was ducked down behind the Jeep hand on my pistol
before my front brain even kicked in. When I'd stopped there I hadn't
seen anybody, and I'm not terribly in observant. Very carefully I
checked the area, not really knowing even what direction the shot came
from.

Finally I saw an automatic propane cannon in the corner of a field.
they use them to scare birds off fresh planted fields and emerging
seedlings. As I stood up to figure out where I had dropped my fishing
rod when it went off again. I still jumped.

It was some 20-30 yards away, but it sounded like a big bore rifle going
off right next to me. Like an old Sharps or something like that.
Sharper crack than a typical BP cannon, but maybe not as sharp as a high
power rifle like a 30-06 or a 270. It wasn't even pointed in my
direction. No sonic boom of course.

Yeah, propane guns can be quite good gunfire simulators.

--
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Proffessional Hack, Hobbyist, Wannabe, Shade Tree, Button Pushing, Not a
real machinist

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On 8/8/2023 9:42 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
> On 8/8/2023 4:33 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>> "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:uasdbg$37nr7$1@dont-email.me...
>>
>>
>> Well, the bumper is installed.  The plugs I found on FleaBay seem to be
>> the right ones.  The lights work anyway.  Yes.  I am certain I had never
>> turned the fog lights on before.  I had to hunt for a while to figure
>> out how.
>>
>> The new winch was supposed to arrive today, but its coming by FedEx.
>> I'll be happy if it arrives intact.  On time?  That's not even an option.
>>
>> Bob La Londe
>>
>> --------------
>>
>> Here is a rooftop accessory you might like:
>> https://inertproducts.com/product/m2-hb-50-cal-oxy-propane-gunfire-simulator/
>>
>>
>> Some warbirds have them in the wings, remotely operated. I watched a
>> P-40 and a replica Zero meet head-on, then the P-40 did a surprisingly
>> quick and nimble wingover turn and dropped onto the Zero's tail,
>> firing those guns, while the Zero made smoke.
>>
>
> Sounds like a fun air show.
>
> If I could find the right mount that might look cool to put on my dad's
> '42 Willys Jeep.  His is painted olive drab of course.  I think he had
> some olive drab paint surplus from something because I remember him
> painting file cabinets and benches with the stuff long before he had
> traded for the Jeep.
>
> One day I was out fishing in a local irrigation canal, when I heard a
> shot way to close.  I was ducked down behind the Jeep hand on my pistol
> before my front brain even kicked in.  When I'd stopped there I hadn't
> seen anybody, and I'm not terribly in observant.  Very carefully I
> checked the area, not really knowing even what direction the shot came
> from.
>
> Finally I saw an automatic propane cannon in the corner of a field. they
> use them to scare birds off fresh planted fields and emerging
> seedlings.   As I stood up to figure out where I had dropped my fishing
> rod when it went off again.  I still jumped.
>
> It was some 20-30 yards away, but it sounded like a big bore rifle going
> off right next to me.  Like an old Sharps or something like that.
> Sharper crack than a typical BP cannon, but maybe not as sharp as a high
> power rifle like a 30-06 or a 270.  It wasn't even pointed in my
> direction. No sonic boom of course.
>
> Yeah, propane guns can be quite good gunfire simulators.
>
>

I've read that acetylene does it better ... haven't tested that
myself but I've been tempted .
--
Snag
Men don't protect women because they're weak .
We protect them because they're important .

On 09/08/2023 02:46, Snag wrote:
> On 8/8/2023 9:42 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>> On 8/8/2023 4:33 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>>> "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:uasdbg$37nr7$1@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, the bumper is installed.  The plugs I found on FleaBay seem to be
>>> the right ones.  The lights work anyway.  Yes.  I am certain I had
>>> never
>>> turned the fog lights on before.  I had to hunt for a while to figure
>>> out how.
>>>
>>> The new winch was supposed to arrive today, but its coming by FedEx.
>>> I'll be happy if it arrives intact.  On time?  That's not even an
>>> option.
>>>
>>> Bob La Londe
>>>
>>> --------------
>>>
>>> Here is a rooftop accessory you might like:
>>> https://inertproducts.com/product/m2-hb-50-cal-oxy-propane-gunfire-simulator/
>>>
>>>
>>> Some warbirds have them in the wings, remotely operated. I watched a
>>> P-40 and a replica Zero meet head-on, then the P-40 did a
>>> surprisingly quick and nimble wingover turn and dropped onto the
>>> Zero's tail, firing those guns, while the Zero made smoke.
>>>
>>
>> Sounds like a fun air show.
>>
>> If I could find the right mount that might look cool to put on my
>> dad's '42 Willys Jeep.  His is painted olive drab of course. I think
>> he had some olive drab paint surplus from something because I
>> remember him painting file cabinets and benches with the stuff long
>> before he had traded for the Jeep.
>>
>> One day I was out fishing in a local irrigation canal, when I heard a
>> shot way to close.  I was ducked down behind the Jeep hand on my
>> pistol before my front brain even kicked in.  When I'd stopped there
>> I hadn't seen anybody, and I'm not terribly in observant.  Very
>> carefully I checked the area, not really knowing even what direction
>> the shot came from.
>>
>> Finally I saw an automatic propane cannon in the corner of a field.
>> they use them to scare birds off fresh planted fields and emerging
>> seedlings.   As I stood up to figure out where I had dropped my
>> fishing rod when it went off again.  I still jumped.
>>
>> It was some 20-30 yards away, but it sounded like a big bore rifle
>> going off right next to me.  Like an old Sharps or something like
>> that. Sharper crack than a typical BP cannon, but maybe not as sharp
>> as a high power rifle like a 30-06 or a 270. It wasn't even pointed
>> in my direction. No sonic boom of course.
>>
>> Yeah, propane guns can be quite good gunfire simulators.
>>
>>
>
>   I've read that acetylene does it better ... haven't tested that
> myself but I've been tempted .

I haven't tried it with propane but one of the students when I was at
college filled his lunch bag up with acetylene and oxygen mix from a
torch and ignited the bag, it made a very very loud bang in the next
workshop and the next thing I saw was the lecturer running through the
workshop, not a common occurrence, to find out what had happened. The
student was in shock, temporarily deaf, and the lecturer didn't berate
him as he knew he was never likely to do that again.

On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 20:46:40 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

>On 8/8/2023 9:42 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>> On 8/8/2023 4:33 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>>> "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:uasdbg$37nr7$1@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, the bumper is installed.  The plugs I found on FleaBay seem to be
>>> the right ones.  The lights work anyway.  Yes.  I am certain I had never
>>> turned the fog lights on before.  I had to hunt for a while to figure
>>> out how.
>>>
>>> The new winch was supposed to arrive today, but its coming by FedEx.
>>> I'll be happy if it arrives intact.  On time?  That's not even an option.
>>>
>>> Bob La Londe
>>>
>>> --------------
>>>
>>> Here is a rooftop accessory you might like:
>>> https://inertproducts.com/product/m2-hb-50-cal-oxy-propane-gunfire-simulator/
>>>
>>>
>>> Some warbirds have them in the wings, remotely operated. I watched a
>>> P-40 and a replica Zero meet head-on, then the P-40 did a surprisingly
>>> quick and nimble wingover turn and dropped onto the Zero's tail,
>>> firing those guns, while the Zero made smoke.
>>>
>>
>> Sounds like a fun air show.
>>
>> If I could find the right mount that might look cool to put on my dad's
>> '42 Willys Jeep.  His is painted olive drab of course.  I think he had
>> some olive drab paint surplus from something because I remember him
>> painting file cabinets and benches with the stuff long before he had
>> traded for the Jeep.
>>
>> One day I was out fishing in a local irrigation canal, when I heard a
>> shot way to close.  I was ducked down behind the Jeep hand on my pistol
>> before my front brain even kicked in.  When I'd stopped there I hadn't
>> seen anybody, and I'm not terribly in observant.  Very carefully I
>> checked the area, not really knowing even what direction the shot came
>> from.
>>
>> Finally I saw an automatic propane cannon in the corner of a field. they
>> use them to scare birds off fresh planted fields and emerging
>> seedlings.   As I stood up to figure out where I had dropped my fishing
>> rod when it went off again.  I still jumped.
>>
>> It was some 20-30 yards away, but it sounded like a big bore rifle going
>> off right next to me.  Like an old Sharps or something like that.
>> Sharper crack than a typical BP cannon, but maybe not as sharp as a high
>> power rifle like a 30-06 or a 270.  It wasn't even pointed in my
>> direction. No sonic boom of course.
>>
>> Yeah, propane guns can be quite good gunfire simulators.
>>
>>
>
> I've read that acetylene does it better ... haven't tested that
>myself but I've been tempted .
Pinch off the hose of an OA torch then use the torch to blow up a
baloon - about 8 inch diameter. Tie iot to the radio antennae of the
car or truck (not a convertible) then stick a cigarette on a rod out
the slightly opened window to set off the "bomb". One HELLUVA"
bang!!!!!

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:uatk8o$3eh9f$1@dont-email.me...

Sounds like a fun air show.

----------------------

It was. The old airport at Manchester NH was scheduled for a major upgrade
and they went all out to celebrate, with 12 Mustangs, the replica Zeros from
ToraToraTora and US, British, French and Soviet jets taking off in full
afterburner that may have damaged the runway including an F-15 immediately
pulling to vertical in front of us and screaming straight up to 20,000 feet.
An A-10 demonstrated strafing runs with cropduster turns (wingovers) at each
end. I watched some of it from the top turret of the B-17.

"Clare Snyder" wrote in message
news:dlv5dit247drbfkq6dqmakjs3oaj77qr5j@4ax.com...

Pinch off the hose of an OA torch then use the torch to blow up a
baloon - about 8 inch diameter. Tie iot to the radio antennae of the
car or truck (not a convertible) then stick a cigarette on a rod out
the slightly opened window to set off the "bomb". One HELLUVA"
bang!!!!!

---------------------

A party popper on a LONG string is safer.

On 8/8/2023 6:46 PM, Snag wrote:
> On 8/8/2023 9:42 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>> On 8/8/2023 4:33 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>>> "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:uasdbg$37nr7$1@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, the bumper is installed.  The plugs I found on FleaBay seem to be
>>> the right ones.  The lights work anyway.  Yes.  I am certain I had never
>>> turned the fog lights on before.  I had to hunt for a while to figure
>>> out how.
>>>
>>> The new winch was supposed to arrive today, but its coming by FedEx.
>>> I'll be happy if it arrives intact.  On time?  That's not even an
>>> option.
>>>
>>> Bob La Londe
>>>
>>> --------------
>>>
>>> Here is a rooftop accessory you might like:
>>> https://inertproducts.com/product/m2-hb-50-cal-oxy-propane-gunfire-simulator/
>>>
>>> Some warbirds have them in the wings, remotely operated. I watched a
>>> P-40 and a replica Zero meet head-on, then the P-40 did a
>>> surprisingly quick and nimble wingover turn and dropped onto the
>>> Zero's tail, firing those guns, while the Zero made smoke.
>>>
>>
>> Sounds like a fun air show.
>>
>> If I could find the right mount that might look cool to put on my
>> dad's '42 Willys Jeep.  His is painted olive drab of course.  I think
>> he had some olive drab paint surplus from something because I remember
>> him painting file cabinets and benches with the stuff long before he
>> had traded for the Jeep.
>>
>> One day I was out fishing in a local irrigation canal, when I heard a
>> shot way to close.  I was ducked down behind the Jeep hand on my
>> pistol before my front brain even kicked in.  When I'd stopped there I
>> hadn't seen anybody, and I'm not terribly in observant.  Very
>> carefully I checked the area, not really knowing even what direction
>> the shot came from.
>>
>> Finally I saw an automatic propane cannon in the corner of a field.
>> they use them to scare birds off fresh planted fields and emerging
>> seedlings.   As I stood up to figure out where I had dropped my
>> fishing rod when it went off again.  I still jumped.
>>
>> It was some 20-30 yards away, but it sounded like a big bore rifle
>> going off right next to me.  Like an old Sharps or something like
>> that. Sharper crack than a typical BP cannon, but maybe not as sharp
>> as a high power rifle like a 30-06 or a 270.  It wasn't even pointed
>> in my direction. No sonic boom of course.
>>
>> Yeah, propane guns can be quite good gunfire simulators.
>>
>>
>
>   I've read that acetylene does it better ... haven't tested that
> myself but I've been tempted .

I tend not to not play with acetylene. I've seen an open air detonation
with no apparent ignition source. I went and got a welding glove to
reach in and turn the bottle off. I'm pretty sure this group back when
it happened.

That being said when I was a kid there was a well drilling outfit that
used the lots between our grocery store and our hardware store when they
were working in our area. On the fourth of July they were filling
balloons with acetylene and dropping them into a burning barrel. I
don't recall if they were running straight acetylene, or if it was an O2
mix. They were igniting them by tossing a burning piece of trash into
the barrel. It made a pretty satisfying boom.

--
Bob La Londe
Proffessional Hack, Hobbyist, Wannabe, Shade Tree, Button Pushing, Not a
real machinist

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On 8/9/2023 10:48 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
> On 8/8/2023 6:46 PM, Snag wrote:
>> On 8/8/2023 9:42 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>> On 8/8/2023 4:33 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>>>> "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:uasdbg$37nr7$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, the bumper is installed.  The plugs I found on FleaBay seem to be
>>>> the right ones.  The lights work anyway.  Yes.  I am certain I had
>>>> never
>>>> turned the fog lights on before.  I had to hunt for a while to figure
>>>> out how.
>>>>
>>>> The new winch was supposed to arrive today, but its coming by FedEx.
>>>> I'll be happy if it arrives intact.  On time?  That's not even an
>>>> option.
>>>>
>>>> Bob La Londe
>>>>
>>>> --------------
>>>>
>>>> Here is a rooftop accessory you might like:
>>>> https://inertproducts.com/product/m2-hb-50-cal-oxy-propane-gunfire-simulator/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Some warbirds have them in the wings, remotely operated. I watched a
>>>> P-40 and a replica Zero meet head-on, then the P-40 did a
>>>> surprisingly quick and nimble wingover turn and dropped onto the
>>>> Zero's tail, firing those guns, while the Zero made smoke.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sounds like a fun air show.
>>>
>>> If I could find the right mount that might look cool to put on my
>>> dad's '42 Willys Jeep.  His is painted olive drab of course.  I think
>>> he had some olive drab paint surplus from something because I
>>> remember him painting file cabinets and benches with the stuff long
>>> before he had traded for the Jeep.
>>>
>>> One day I was out fishing in a local irrigation canal, when I heard a
>>> shot way to close.  I was ducked down behind the Jeep hand on my
>>> pistol before my front brain even kicked in.  When I'd stopped there
>>> I hadn't seen anybody, and I'm not terribly in observant.  Very
>>> carefully I checked the area, not really knowing even what direction
>>> the shot came from.
>>>
>>> Finally I saw an automatic propane cannon in the corner of a field.
>>> they use them to scare birds off fresh planted fields and emerging
>>> seedlings.   As I stood up to figure out where I had dropped my
>>> fishing rod when it went off again.  I still jumped.
>>>
>>> It was some 20-30 yards away, but it sounded like a big bore rifle
>>> going off right next to me.  Like an old Sharps or something like
>>> that. Sharper crack than a typical BP cannon, but maybe not as sharp
>>> as a high power rifle like a 30-06 or a 270.  It wasn't even pointed
>>> in my direction. No sonic boom of course.
>>>
>>> Yeah, propane guns can be quite good gunfire simulators.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>    I've read that acetylene does it better ... haven't tested that
>> myself but I've been tempted .
>
> I tend not to not play with acetylene.  I've seen an open air detonation
> with no apparent ignition source. I went and got a welding glove to
> reach in and turn the bottle off.  I'm pretty sure  this group back when
> it happened.
>
> That being said when I was a kid there was a well drilling outfit that
> used the lots between our grocery store and our hardware store when they
> were working in our area.  On the fourth of July they were filling
> balloons with acetylene and dropping them into a burning barrel.  I
> don't recall if they were running straight acetylene, or if it was an O2
> mix.  They were igniting them by tossing a burning piece of trash into
> the barrel.  It made a pretty satisfying boom.
>
I've seen videos of small balloons going off . Convinced me that I
don't need to try it myself . If I want to make boom-boom noises I'll
use gunpowder ... it's more stable .
--
Snag
Men don't protect women because they're weak .
We protect them because they're important .

On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 11:24:56 -0500
Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

<snip>
>I've seen videos of small balloons going off . Convinced me that I
>don't need to try it myself . If I want to make boom-boom noises I'll
>use gunpowder ... it's more stable .

I've a neighbor ~1/3 mile away that detonates Tannerite now and then. It
shakes the house windows, even from that far away🙂

--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI

On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 20:46:40 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

>On 8/8/2023 9:42 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>> On 8/8/2023 4:33 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>>> "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:uasdbg$37nr7$1@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, the bumper is installed.  The plugs I found on FleaBay seem to be
>>> the right ones.  The lights work anyway.  Yes.  I am certain I had never
>>> turned the fog lights on before.  I had to hunt for a while to figure
>>> out how.
>>>
>>> The new winch was supposed to arrive today, but its coming by FedEx.
>>> I'll be happy if it arrives intact.  On time?  That's not even an option.
>>>
>>> Bob La Londe
>>>
>>> --------------
>>>
>>> Here is a rooftop accessory you might like:
>>> https://inertproducts.com/product/m2-hb-50-cal-oxy-propane-gunfire-simulator/
>>>
>>>
>>> Some warbirds have them in the wings, remotely operated. I watched a
>>> P-40 and a replica Zero meet head-on, then the P-40 did a surprisingly
>>> quick and nimble wingover turn and dropped onto the Zero's tail,
>>> firing those guns, while the Zero made smoke.
>>>
>>
>> Sounds like a fun air show.
>>
>> If I could find the right mount that might look cool to put on my dad's
>> '42 Willys Jeep.  His is painted olive drab of course.  I think he had
>> some olive drab paint surplus from something because I remember him
>> painting file cabinets and benches with the stuff long before he had
>> traded for the Jeep.
>>
>> One day I was out fishing in a local irrigation canal, when I heard a
>> shot way to close.  I was ducked down behind the Jeep hand on my pistol
>> before my front brain even kicked in.  When I'd stopped there I hadn't
>> seen anybody, and I'm not terribly in observant.  Very carefully I
>> checked the area, not really knowing even what direction the shot came
>> from.
>>
>> Finally I saw an automatic propane cannon in the corner of a field. they
>> use them to scare birds off fresh planted fields and emerging
>> seedlings.   As I stood up to figure out where I had dropped my fishing
>> rod when it went off again.  I still jumped.
>>
>> It was some 20-30 yards away, but it sounded like a big bore rifle going
>> off right next to me.  Like an old Sharps or something like that.
>> Sharper crack than a typical BP cannon, but maybe not as sharp as a high
>> power rifle like a 30-06 or a 270.  It wasn't even pointed in my
>> direction. No sonic boom of course.
>>
>> Yeah, propane guns can be quite good gunfire simulators.
>>
>>
>
> I've read that acetylene does it better ... haven't tested that
>myself but I've been tempted .

Carbide Cannon.

..<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big-Bang_Cannon>

Joe Gwinn