>
2024 Woke-to-English Translation Guide
https://townhall.com/columnists/david-burg/2024/01/20/a-2024-woke-to-english-translation-guide-n2633747
>
Andre Jute
Heh-heh!
>

On Saturday, January 20, 2024 at 5:48:45 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> >
> 2024 Woke-to-English Translation Guide
> https://townhall.com/columnists/david-burg/2024/01/20/a-2024-woke-to-english-translation-guide-n2633747
> >
> Andre Jute
> Heh-heh!
> >
You can see it here every day. Why those electric buses didn't really catch on fire and burn to the ground, the drivers somehow caused it. In China, London and the US.

You cannot learn a thing by first hand reports, you have to spend your own money to watch it burn up. Insurance rates of EV's going through the ceiling doesn't mean that EV's have been deemed dangerous by insurance companies but that they are making money from the common fear being generated by people who don't know any better.

There was no election fraud, it was the numbers of ballots returned with names of voters that were dead or moved out of that area was entirely accidental. The hundreds of ballots put into the drop box by one person photographed doing so was merely a case of mistaken identity and not fraud.

And on and on.

Am 21.01.2024 um 18:40 schrieb Tom Kunich:
> Insurance rates of EV's going through the ceiling doesn't mean that
> EV's have been deemed dangerous by insurance companies but that they
> are making money from the common fear being generated by people who
> don't know any better.

Please re-phrase that to "Insurance rates of TESLA automobils going
throuhgh the ceiling". Then have nothing to do with the drive train of
the car but a lot to do with a new make having lousy spare parts
logistic no robust repairer network, so cars need to wait for ages for
spares, and due to lack of repair slots in the specialized repair
centers, they often have to be repaired by non-brand mechanics who have
had no or little training in the make-specifics of that car, so they
take a lot longer to make repairs.

On Mon, 22 Jan 2024 12:01:00 +0100, Rolf Mantel
<news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:

>Am 21.01.2024 um 18:40 schrieb Tom Kunich:
>> Insurance rates of EV's going through the ceiling doesn't mean that
>> EV's have been deemed dangerous by insurance companies but that they
>> are making money from the common fear being generated by people who
>> don't know any better.
>
>Please re-phrase that to "Insurance rates of TESLA automobils going
>throuhgh the ceiling". Then have nothing to do with the drive train of
>the car but a lot to do with a new make having lousy spare parts
>logistic no robust repairer network, so cars need to wait for ages for
>spares, and due to lack of repair slots in the specialized repair
>centers, they often have to be repaired by non-brand mechanics who have
>had no or little training in the make-specifics of that car, so they
>take a lot longer to make repairs.

Agreed. Tom is wrong, as usual. Tom seems to be modifying reality to
meet his expectations.

Some insurance rates for various model EV's and comparable ICE
vehicles.

(Dec 12, 2023)
"Teslas Cost More to Insure Than the Majority of Electric Vehicles"
<https://www.moneygeek.com/insurance/auto/electric-vehicle-insurance-costs/>

"Teslas are amongst the most expensive electric vehicles to insure.
MoneyGeek’s review of 14 EV models found that four of the five
electric cars with the highest insurance costs were the Teslas."

"The insurance gap between electric and gas-powered vehicles has
narrowed in 2023, with both types of cars now averaging similar annual
premiums of approximately $1,600. This marks a significant change from
two years ago when electric vehicles faced notably higher insurance
costs than their combustion counterparts."

The reason you're seeing mechanics without adequate training is that
today's methods have computerized the diagnostics. In the past, much
of an auto mechanics training was in diagnostics. Today, a technician
plugs an OBD2 computer interface into a computer connected to a remote
diagnostic computer operated by the vehicle manufacturer. The
diagnostics are run remotely and a report is produced for the
mechanic. It includes a list of probable culprits, list of parts to
replace, pointers to documentation, repair history of the vehicle,
etc. While considerable skill is still required to actually replace
many automobile parts, the diagnostics has been computerized. A good
example of this type of service in California is the DMV operated
remote smog check computer. Most of the mechanics I've seen who do
smog checks have little clue as to what the computers are doing. They
just concentrate on the repair and leave the diagnostics to the
computers. Eventually, the lack of even minimally competent mechanics
might force the manufacturers to modularize the vehicle into easily
replaceable sub-systems, where even Tom can replace a failed black
box. I'm not certain, but I think he's had some experience doing
exactly that in the US Air Force.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 1/22/2024 8:35 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
> The reason you're seeing mechanics without adequate training is that
> today's methods have computerized the diagnostics. In the past, much
> of an auto mechanics training was in diagnostics. Today, a technician
> plugs an OBD2 computer interface into a computer connected to a remote
> diagnostic computer operated by the vehicle manufacturer. The
> diagnostics are run remotely and a report is produced for the
> mechanic. It includes a list of probable culprits, list of parts to
> replace, pointers to documentation, repair history of the vehicle,
> etc. While considerable skill is still required to actually replace
> many automobile parts, the diagnostics has been computerized.

I recall a science fiction short story I read long, long ago. In it,
physicians were low level workers, typically with low intelligence. They
required very little training, because they did no diagnosis. They input
their patients' symptoms into a small hand held electronic device. That
device told them which malady matched the symptoms and what the
treatment should be.

We now have small hand held electronic devices.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Mon, 22 Jan 2024 13:59:24 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 1/22/2024 8:35 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>
>> The reason you're seeing mechanics without adequate training is that
>> today's methods have computerized the diagnostics. In the past, much
>> of an auto mechanics training was in diagnostics. Today, a technician
>> plugs an OBD2 computer interface into a computer connected to a remote
>> diagnostic computer operated by the vehicle manufacturer. The
>> diagnostics are run remotely and a report is produced for the
>> mechanic. It includes a list of probable culprits, list of parts to
>> replace, pointers to documentation, repair history of the vehicle,
>> etc. While considerable skill is still required to actually replace
>> many automobile parts, the diagnostics has been computerized.

>I recall a science fiction short story I read long, long ago. In it,
>physicians were low level workers, typically with low intelligence. They
>required very little training, because they did no diagnosis. They input
>their patients' symptoms into a small hand held electronic device. That
>device told them which malady matched the symptoms and what the
>treatment should be.
>
>We now have small hand held electronic devices.

We have something like that today:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=virtual+appliance+repair+via+internet>
A friend has an LG refrigerator that connects to the internet via
wi-fi. He gets regular software updates and once had LG diagnose a
problem via the internet. Office machinery (printers, copiers, etc)
are often monitored remotely in a similar manner.

In order to save money, I used virtual medicine via Skype to discuss
some medical problems with a doctor in India. Other than my
difficulties understanding his English, it went very well. I have
tried Amazon Clinic yet:
<https://clinic.amazon.com>
but might because I can't seem to find a primary care physician.
Remote diagnosis is here and growing.

Incidentally, I once asked for copies of a series of x-rays, CT scans,
and other diagnostic procedures. I was presented with a DVD that had
everything. What surprised me is that every x-ray image was
independently evaluated by service in India. Apparently, someone
knowledgeable in evaluating medical x-rays was doing a more thorough
job of catching all kinds of minor details that my doctor had missed.

I do remote diagnostics on computers using various remote control
programs. My current favorite is:
<https://anydesk.com>
Previously, I used Teamviewer, but abandoned it when they discontinued
the free version. I could probably be replaced by a computer running
a specialized AI program. There are many IT tools that can diagnose
computer, network and communications problems.

We're a long way from providing diagnostic services over the internet,
but the trend is slowly moving in that direction. The pandemic gave
remote services a big boost.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 1/22/2024 2:57 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
> Incidentally, I once asked for copies of a series of x-rays, CT scans,
> and other diagnostic procedures. I was presented with a DVD that had
> everything.

One good friend of mine (an Electrical Engineer) left a very solid job
in a very high tech manufacturing plant for the excitement of a job in a
new startup company. Their planned product was a system of portable
optical wallet cards on which a patient's entire medical history would
be encoded. Doctors' offices, hospitals etc. would have readers to
access the info electronically. No more lost information,
mis-transcription, etc. But the company failed after a few years.

My friend did fine, BTW. He immediately landed another well paying EE
position, and also does some consulting.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
> Am 21.01.2024 um 18:40 schrieb Tom Kunich:
>> Insurance rates of EV's going through the ceiling doesn't mean that
>> EV's have been deemed dangerous by insurance companies but that they
>> are making money from the common fear being generated by people who
>> don't know any better.
>
> Please re-phrase that to "Insurance rates of TESLA automobils going
> throuhgh the ceiling". Then have nothing to do with the drive train of
> the car but a lot to do with a new make having lousy spare parts
> logistic no robust repairer network, so cars need to wait for ages for
> spares, and due to lack of repair slots in the specialized repair
> centers, they often have to be repaired by non-brand mechanics who have
> had no or little training in the make-specifics of that car, so they
> take a lot longer to make repairs.
>

In the uk the car that is hitting the headlines is the Land Rover, which
has had to do in house insurance as the premiums are huge, if they will
even insure it anyway.

Tesla I believe does have slightly higher premiums for a number of reasons
such as you said.

Roger Merriman

On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 12:16:13 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

>In the uk the car that is hitting the headlines is the Land Rover, which
>has had to do in house insurance as the premiums are huge, if they will
>even insure it anyway.
>
>Tesla I believe does have slightly higher premiums for a number of reasons
>such as you said.
>
>Roger Merriman

Looks like it's been a problem in the UK for at least a few months:

(Sept 30, 2023)
"'The quotes were £5,000 or more’: electric vehicle owners face
soaring insurance costs"
<https://www.theguardian.com/money/2023/sep/30/the-quotes-were-5000-or-more-electric-vehicle-owners-face-soaring-insurance-costs>

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 12:16:13 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
> wrote:
>
>> In the uk the car that is hitting the headlines is the Land Rover, which
>> has had to do in house insurance as the premiums are huge, if they will
>> even insure it anyway.
>>
>> Tesla I believe does have slightly higher premiums for a number of reasons
>> such as you said.
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>
> Looks like it's been a problem in the UK for at least a few months:
>
> (Sept 30, 2023)
> "'The quotes were £5,000 or more’: electric vehicle owners face
> soaring insurance costs"
> <https://www.theguardian.com/money/2023/sep/30/the-quotes-were-5000-or-more-electric-vehicle-owners-face-soaring-insurance-costs>
>
As they are more complex with expensive parts doesn’t particularly surprise
me that insurance has risen for them.

This said, Land rovers are apparently being quoted 16,000 plus hence Land
Rover, offering in house insurance.

Roger Merriman

On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 3:01:03 AM UTC-8, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> Am 21.01.2024 um 18:40 schrieb Tom Kunich:
> > Insurance rates of EV's going through the ceiling doesn't mean that
> > EV's have been deemed dangerous by insurance companies but that they
> > are making money from the common fear being generated by people who
> > don't know any better.
> Please re-phrase that to "Insurance rates of TESLA automobils going
> throuhgh the ceiling". Then have nothing to do with the drive train of
> the car but a lot to do with a new make having lousy spare parts
> logistic no robust repairer network, so cars need to wait for ages for
> spares, and due to lack of repair slots in the specialized repair
> centers, they often have to be repaired by non-brand mechanics who have
> had no or little training in the make-specifics of that car, so they
> take a lot longer to make repairs.

They ALL use the same batteries manufactured in the Tesla Nevada plant. And the rates are rising because more and more lawsuits are being filed against battery fires and explosions. This is where Liebermann says that it ain't so despite the fact that he only buys PL&PD and hence has no idea what insurance costs.

Am 23.01.2024 um 19:58 schrieb Jeff Liebermann:
> On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 12:16:13 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
> wrote:
>
>> In the uk the car that is hitting the headlines is the Land Rover, which
>> has had to do in house insurance as the premiums are huge, if they will
>> even insure it anyway.
>>
>> Tesla I believe does have slightly higher premiums for a number of reasons
>> such as you said.
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>
> Looks like it's been a problem in the UK for at least a few months:
>
> (Sept 30, 2023)
> "'The quotes were £5,000 or more’: electric vehicle owners face
> soaring insurance costs"
> <https://www.theguardian.com/money/2023/sep/30/the-quotes-were-5000-or-more-electric-vehicle-owners-face-soaring-insurance-costs>

As I said: the headlines talk of Electric Vehicles, the small print
complains about Tesla.
All Tesla are EV but not all EV are Tesla.

Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
> Am 23.01.2024 um 19:58 schrieb Jeff Liebermann:
>> On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 12:16:13 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In the uk the car that is hitting the headlines is the Land Rover, which
>>> has had to do in house insurance as the premiums are huge, if they will
>>> even insure it anyway.
>>>
>>> Tesla I believe does have slightly higher premiums for a number of reasons
>>> such as you said.
>>>
>>> Roger Merriman
>>
>> Looks like it's been a problem in the UK for at least a few months:
>>
>> (Sept 30, 2023)
>> "'The quotes were £5,000 or more’: electric vehicle owners face
>> soaring insurance costs"
>> <https://www.theguardian.com/money/2023/sep/30/the-quotes-were-5000-or-more-electric-vehicle-owners-face-soaring-insurance-costs>
>
> As I said: the headlines talk of Electric Vehicles, the small print
> complains about Tesla.
> All Tesla are EV but not all EV are Tesla.
>
>
Indeed though it’s relatively small compared to the insurance for land
rovers ie 3 times the price if they will even insure hence landrover having
to provide in house insurance!

Roger Merriman

On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 3:46:46 AM UTC-8, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> Am 23.01.2024 um 19:58 schrieb Jeff Liebermann:
> > On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 12:16:13 GMT, Roger Merriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> In the uk the car that is hitting the headlines is the Land Rover, which
> >> has had to do in house insurance as the premiums are huge, if they will
> >> even insure it anyway.
> >>
> >> Tesla I believe does have slightly higher premiums for a number of reasons
> >> such as you said.
> >>
> >> Roger Merriman
> >
> > Looks like it's been a problem in the UK for at least a few months:
> >
> > (Sept 30, 2023)
> > "'The quotes were £5,000 or more’: electric vehicle owners face
> > soaring insurance costs"
> > <https://www.theguardian.com/money/2023/sep/30/the-quotes-were-5000-or-more-electric-vehicle-owners-face-soaring-insurance-costs>
> As I said: the headlines talk of Electric Vehicles, the small print
> complains about Tesla.
> All Tesla are EV but not all EV are Tesla.
Rolf,l you have your choice of buying batteries from China or batteries from Tesla's Nevada plant. Liebermann with all of the idiot belief of a fool believes that the Chinese batteries are safe because he doesn't get any reports of Chinese batteries exploding. When you don't look, you don't find.

https://e-vehicleinfo.com/global/chinas-electric-explosions-7-electric-vehicles-catch-fire-each-day/

On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 09:11:15 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 3:46:46?AM UTC-8, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>> Am 23.01.2024 um 19:58 schrieb Jeff Liebermann:
>> > On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 12:16:13 GMT, Roger Merriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> In the uk the car that is hitting the headlines is the Land Rover, which
>> >> has had to do in house insurance as the premiums are huge, if they will
>> >> even insure it anyway.
>> >>
>> >> Tesla I believe does have slightly higher premiums for a number of reasons
>> >> such as you said.
>> >>
>> >> Roger Merriman
>> >
>> > Looks like it's been a problem in the UK for at least a few months:
>> >
>> > (Sept 30, 2023)
>> > "'The quotes were £5,000 or more’: electric vehicle owners face
>> > soaring insurance costs"
>> > <https://www.theguardian.com/money/2023/sep/30/the-quotes-were-5000-or-more-electric-vehicle-owners-face-soaring-insurance-costs>

>> As I said: the headlines talk of Electric Vehicles, the small print
>> complains about Tesla.
>> All Tesla are EV but not all EV are Tesla.

>Rolf,l you have your choice of buying batteries from China or batteries from Tesla's Nevada plant. Liebermann with all of the idiot belief of a fool believes that the Chinese batteries are safe because he doesn't get any reports of Chinese batteries exploding. When you don't look, you don't find.
>https://e-vehicleinfo.com/global/chinas-electric-explosions-7-electric-vehicles-catch-fire-each-day/

That might be useful information, if I lived in China. At best, your
amazing assumptions is a half or 1/4th truth. However, you're correct
that I don't receive daily reports of battery explosions in China. Try
the videos below.

From the above article:
"The researchers claim that among the causes of the rise in electric
car fires in China might be the usage of low-cost materials in
manufacturing these electric vehicles."

Also, China has a class of low cost mini-EV vehicles that we don't
have in the USA. I haven't been able to inspect or drive one of these
yet, but I suspect that their emphasis on low-cost (about $5,500)
might inspire material and construction short cuts. Some photo links
to those announced or reviewed recently:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=china+mini+ev&tbm=isch&tbs=qdr%3Am&hl=en>
At least they are small, so the battery fire will also be small.

"Hidden - China's Flagship EVs are Exploding in Huge Numbers"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOA7qKMcjcE> (23:57)
The video details some of the short cuts in Chinese EV's.

"Sudden EV Explosion, Rockets up 5 Meters, Close to 100 BYD Autos
Spontaneously Combust"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwhnArkZTu8>
Wow. A flying EV.

More or the same:
<https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=china+ev+battery+fire>

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 09:42:45 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
>More or the same:
><https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=china+ev+battery+fire>

One more link with plenty of EV battery fires (in China):
<https://www.youtube.com/@ChinaObserver0/search?query=EV+battery>

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 1/24/2024 11:42 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 09:11:15 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 3:46:46?AM UTC-8, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>>> Am 23.01.2024 um 19:58 schrieb Jeff Liebermann:
>>>> On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 12:16:13 GMT, Roger Merriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In the uk the car that is hitting the headlines is the Land Rover, which
>>>>> has had to do in house insurance as the premiums are huge, if they will
>>>>> even insure it anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tesla I believe does have slightly higher premiums for a number of reasons
>>>>> such as you said.
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>
>>>> Looks like it's been a problem in the UK for at least a few months:
>>>>
>>>> (Sept 30, 2023)
>>>> "'The quotes were £5,000 or more’: electric vehicle owners face
>>>> soaring insurance costs"
>>>> <https://www.theguardian.com/money/2023/sep/30/the-quotes-were-5000-or-more-electric-vehicle-owners-face-soaring-insurance-costs>
>
>>> As I said: the headlines talk of Electric Vehicles, the small print
>>> complains about Tesla.
>>> All Tesla are EV but not all EV are Tesla.
>
>> Rolf,l you have your choice of buying batteries from China or batteries from Tesla's Nevada plant. Liebermann with all of the idiot belief of a fool believes that the Chinese batteries are safe because he doesn't get any reports of Chinese batteries exploding. When you don't look, you don't find.
>> https://e-vehicleinfo.com/global/chinas-electric-explosions-7-electric-vehicles-catch-fire-each-day/
>
> That might be useful information, if I lived in China. At best, your
> amazing assumptions is a half or 1/4th truth. However, you're correct
> that I don't receive daily reports of battery explosions in China. Try
> the videos below.
>
> From the above article:
> "The researchers claim that among the causes of the rise in electric
> car fires in China might be the usage of low-cost materials in
> manufacturing these electric vehicles."
>
> Also, China has a class of low cost mini-EV vehicles that we don't
> have in the USA. I haven't been able to inspect or drive one of these
> yet, but I suspect that their emphasis on low-cost (about $5,500)
> might inspire material and construction short cuts. Some photo links
> to those announced or reviewed recently:
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=china+mini+ev&tbm=isch&tbs=qdr%3Am&hl=en>
> At least they are small, so the battery fire will also be small.
>
> "Hidden - China's Flagship EVs are Exploding in Huge Numbers"
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOA7qKMcjcE> (23:57)
> The video details some of the short cuts in Chinese EV's.
>
> "Sudden EV Explosion, Rockets up 5 Meters, Close to 100 BYD Autos
> Spontaneously Combust"
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwhnArkZTu8>
> Wow. A flying EV.
>
> More or the same:
> <https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=china+ev+battery+fire>
>
>
>
>

China also has a class of ultralight micro mini EVs with
four 12v lead acid batteries, extremely inexpensive and
hence popular for urban short errands. We do not have those
here.

https://www.theautopian.com/a-deep-dive-on-the-changli-and-similar-cheap-cars-like-it/
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 10:24:06 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/24/2024 11:42 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> > On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 09:11:15 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 3:46:46?AM UTC-8, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> >>> Am 23.01.2024 um 19:58 schrieb Jeff Liebermann:
> >>>> On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 12:16:13 GMT, Roger Merriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> In the uk the car that is hitting the headlines is the Land Rover, which
> >>>>> has had to do in house insurance as the premiums are huge, if they will
> >>>>> even insure it anyway.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Tesla I believe does have slightly higher premiums for a number of reasons
> >>>>> such as you said.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Roger Merriman
> >>>>
> >>>> Looks like it's been a problem in the UK for at least a few months:
> >>>>
> >>>> (Sept 30, 2023)
> >>>> "'The quotes were £5,000 or more’: electric vehicle owners face
> >>>> soaring insurance costs"
> >>>> <https://www.theguardian.com/money/2023/sep/30/the-quotes-were-5000-or-more-electric-vehicle-owners-face-soaring-insurance-costs>
> >
> >>> As I said: the headlines talk of Electric Vehicles, the small print
> >>> complains about Tesla.
> >>> All Tesla are EV but not all EV are Tesla.
> >
> >> Rolf,l you have your choice of buying batteries from China or batteries from Tesla's Nevada plant. Liebermann with all of the idiot belief of a fool believes that the Chinese batteries are safe because he doesn't get any reports of Chinese batteries exploding. When you don't look, you don't find.
> >> https://e-vehicleinfo.com/global/chinas-electric-explosions-7-electric-vehicles-catch-fire-each-day/
> >
> > That might be useful information, if I lived in China. At best, your
> > amazing assumptions is a half or 1/4th truth. However, you're correct
> > that I don't receive daily reports of battery explosions in China. Try
> > the videos below.
> >
> > From the above article:
> > "The researchers claim that among the causes of the rise in electric
> > car fires in China might be the usage of low-cost materials in
> > manufacturing these electric vehicles."
> >
> > Also, China has a class of low cost mini-EV vehicles that we don't
> > have in the USA. I haven't been able to inspect or drive one of these
> > yet, but I suspect that their emphasis on low-cost (about $5,500)
> > might inspire material and construction short cuts. Some photo links
> > to those announced or reviewed recently:
> > <https://www.google.com/search?q=china+mini+ev&tbm=isch&tbs=qdr%3Am&hl=en>
> > At least they are small, so the battery fire will also be small.
> >
> > "Hidden - China's Flagship EVs are Exploding in Huge Numbers"
> > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOA7qKMcjcE> (23:57)
> > The video details some of the short cuts in Chinese EV's.
> >
> > "Sudden EV Explosion, Rockets up 5 Meters, Close to 100 BYD Autos
> > Spontaneously Combust"
> > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwhnArkZTu8>
> > Wow. A flying EV.
> >
> > More or the same:
> > <https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=china+ev+battery+fire>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> China also has a class of ultralight micro mini EVs with
> four 12v lead acid batteries, extremely inexpensive and
> hence popular for urban short errands. We do not have those
> here.
>
> https://www.theautopian.com/a-deep-dive-on-the-changli-and-similar-cheap-cars-like-it/
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> a...@yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
And Lead Acid batteries are pretty safe and fast charging.

On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 09:42:45 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 09:11:15 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
><cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 3:46:46?AM UTC-8, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>>> Am 23.01.2024 um 19:58 schrieb Jeff Liebermann:
>>> > On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 12:16:13 GMT, Roger Merriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> In the uk the car that is hitting the headlines is the Land Rover, which
>>> >> has had to do in house insurance as the premiums are huge, if they will
>>> >> even insure it anyway.
>>> >>
>>> >> Tesla I believe does have slightly higher premiums for a number of reasons
>>> >> such as you said.
>>> >>
>>> >> Roger Merriman
>>> >
>>> > Looks like it's been a problem in the UK for at least a few months:
>>> >
>>> > (Sept 30, 2023)
>>> > "'The quotes were £5,000 or more’: electric vehicle owners face
>>> > soaring insurance costs"
>>> > <https://www.theguardian.com/money/2023/sep/30/the-quotes-were-5000-or-more-electric-vehicle-owners-face-soaring-insurance-costs>
>
>>> As I said: the headlines talk of Electric Vehicles, the small print
>>> complains about Tesla.
>>> All Tesla are EV but not all EV are Tesla.
>
>>Rolf,l you have your choice of buying batteries from China or batteries from Tesla's Nevada plant. Liebermann with all of the idiot belief of a fool believes that the Chinese batteries are safe because he doesn't get any reports of Chinese batteries exploding. When you don't look, you don't find.
>>https://e-vehicleinfo.com/global/chinas-electric-explosions-7-electric-vehicles-catch-fire-each-day/
>
>That might be useful information, if I lived in China. At best, your
>amazing assumptions is a half or 1/4th truth. However, you're correct
>that I don't receive daily reports of battery explosions in China. Try
>the videos below.
>
But the truth is that China has some 50% of all the electric cars on
the world's roads, a total of 13.8 million. Which makes 7 a day some
look just a bit less horrifying. Some 0.0185 percent annually.

--
Cheers,

John B.

John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 09:42:45 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 09:11:15 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 3:46:46?AM UTC-8, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>>>> Am 23.01.2024 um 19:58 schrieb Jeff Liebermann:
>>>>> On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 12:16:13 GMT, Roger Merriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In the uk the car that is hitting the headlines is the Land Rover, which
>>>>>> has had to do in house insurance as the premiums are huge, if they will
>>>>>> even insure it anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tesla I believe does have slightly higher premiums for a number of reasons
>>>>>> such as you said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>
>>>>> Looks like it's been a problem in the UK for at least a few months:
>>>>>
>>>>> (Sept 30, 2023)
>>>>> "'The quotes were £5,000 or more’: electric vehicle owners face
>>>>> soaring insurance costs"
>>>>> <https://www.theguardian.com/money/2023/sep/30/the-quotes-were-5000-or-more-electric-vehicle-owners-face-soaring-insurance-costs>
>>
>>>> As I said: the headlines talk of Electric Vehicles, the small print
>>>> complains about Tesla.
>>>> All Tesla are EV but not all EV are Tesla.
>>
>>> Rolf,l you have your choice of buying batteries from China or batteries
>>> from Tesla's Nevada plant. Liebermann with all of the idiot belief of a
>>> fool believes that the Chinese batteries are safe because he doesn't
>>> get any reports of Chinese batteries exploding. When you don't look, you don't find.
>>> https://e-vehicleinfo.com/global/chinas-electric-explosions-7-electric-vehicles-catch-fire-each-day/
>>
>> That might be useful information, if I lived in China. At best, your
>> amazing assumptions is a half or 1/4th truth. However, you're correct
>> that I don't receive daily reports of battery explosions in China. Try
>> the videos below.
>>
> But the truth is that China has some 50% of all the electric cars on
> the world's roads, a total of 13.8 million. Which makes 7 a day some
> look just a bit less horrifying. Some 0.0185 percent annually.
>
>
It’s the biggest car market in the world, and going EV has given local
companies a start which clearly a benefit.

Let alone the brands that have been bought such as MG or Volvo/polestar and
so on.

Roger Merriman

On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 3:09:30 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
> John B. <sloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 09:42:45 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 09:11:15 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 3:46:46?AM UTC-8, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> >>>> Am 23.01.2024 um 19:58 schrieb Jeff Liebermann:
> >>>>> On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 12:16:13 GMT, Roger Merriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> In the uk the car that is hitting the headlines is the Land Rover, which
> >>>>>> has had to do in house insurance as the premiums are huge, if they will
> >>>>>> even insure it anyway.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Tesla I believe does have slightly higher premiums for a number of reasons
> >>>>>> such as you said.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Roger Merriman
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Looks like it's been a problem in the UK for at least a few months:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> (Sept 30, 2023)
> >>>>> "'The quotes were £5,000 or more’: electric vehicle owners face
> >>>>> soaring insurance costs"
> >>>>> <https://www.theguardian.com/money/2023/sep/30/the-quotes-were-5000-or-more-electric-vehicle-owners-face-soaring-insurance-costs>
> >>
> >>>> As I said: the headlines talk of Electric Vehicles, the small print
> >>>> complains about Tesla.
> >>>> All Tesla are EV but not all EV are Tesla.
> >>
> >>> Rolf,l you have your choice of buying batteries from China or batteries
> >>> from Tesla's Nevada plant. Liebermann with all of the idiot belief of a
> >>> fool believes that the Chinese batteries are safe because he doesn't
> >>> get any reports of Chinese batteries exploding. When you don't look, you don't find.
> >>> https://e-vehicleinfo.com/global/chinas-electric-explosions-7-electric-vehicles-catch-fire-each-day/
> >>
> >> That might be useful information, if I lived in China. At best, your
> >> amazing assumptions is a half or 1/4th truth. However, you're correct
> >> that I don't receive daily reports of battery explosions in China. Try
> >> the videos below.
> >>
> > But the truth is that China has some 50% of all the electric cars on
> > the world's roads, a total of 13.8 million. Which makes 7 a day some
> > look just a bit less horrifying. Some 0.0185 percent annually.
> >
> >
> It’s the biggest car market in the world, and going EV has given local
> companies a start which clearly a benefit.
>
> Let alone the brands that have been bought such as MG or Volvo/polestar and
> so on.
>
> Roger Merriman
A Tesla costs about the same as a gas car. So by all means get one. Or believe that idiot Liebermann who has never had two pennies to rub together because he doesn't know anything about anything, but can convince you otherwise?

I got wealthy by knowing what I'm doing. Flunky and Liebermann are two peas in a pod. Both of them are in debt up to their eyebrows and willing to lie about it. Slocomb is another one of them. Krygowski at least got a passing education even if he couldn't use it. Scharf? He is technician only grade material. Does this sound like I'm picking on them?

They started it and then couldn't take the truth. Remember that Slocomb told us that he was a qualified machinist, whatever that is? That is why the Air Force, always short on skilled personnel put him in a dead end job and retired him 2 grades below normal. Does that sound qualified at anything? When I asked Flunky a short simple C program you didn't see Scharf speaking up about that did you? I have said before that an electronics engineer cannot design proper digital circuits without knowing how to program. Neither Scharf or Flunky had the slightest idea what that program meant. For Christ's sake - ALL IT DID WAS FLASH A LIGHT! That is proof that neither is what they claim to be. Perhaps Flunky has a degree but he learned nothing and is nothing more than a paperwork wonk. Liebermann might have learned how to repair radios but I was repairing tube radios at 16. Remember the Vietnam airlift that Slocomb claims lasted two days. Think about that. The war ended in 1973 with the Paris Peace Accords and the last military personnel didn't leave until half way through 1975. ("The United States officially ended its involvement in the war with the signing of the Paris Peace Accords by President Nixon in 1973, with the last American personnel leaving Vietnam during the Fall of Saigon in April 1975")

I was nothing more than a competent engineer that knew how to handle my money because I was born into a poor household. I worked with many remarkable people and at least earned their respect simply by doing a competent job. Compare that with the petty jealously of these five and their clearly fake claims. I did work for two of the most prestigious research organizations in the world. I did important work for the Army and what was probably important at the time for NASA. I designed and programmed so many medical instruments that you can't even go into an emergency hospital without them using one or a later improvement of them on you.

I'm cherry picking?

On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 4:13:44 AM UTC, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 3:09:30 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
> > John B. <sloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 09:42:45 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 09:11:15 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> > >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 3:46:46?AM UTC-8, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> > >>>> Am 23.01.2024 um 19:58 schrieb Jeff Liebermann:
> > >>>>> On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 12:16:13 GMT, Roger Merriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> In the uk the car that is hitting the headlines is the Land Rover, which
> > >>>>>> has had to do in house insurance as the premiums are huge, if they will
> > >>>>>> even insure it anyway.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Tesla I believe does have slightly higher premiums for a number of reasons
> > >>>>>> such as you said.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Roger Merriman
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Looks like it's been a problem in the UK for at least a few months:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> (Sept 30, 2023)
> > >>>>> "'The quotes were £5,000 or more’: electric vehicle owners face
> > >>>>> soaring insurance costs"
> > >>>>> <https://www.theguardian.com/money/2023/sep/30/the-quotes-were-5000-or-more-electric-vehicle-owners-face-soaring-insurance-costs>
> > >>
> > >>>> As I said: the headlines talk of Electric Vehicles, the small print
> > >>>> complains about Tesla.
> > >>>> All Tesla are EV but not all EV are Tesla.
> > >>
> > >>> Rolf,l you have your choice of buying batteries from China or batteries
> > >>> from Tesla's Nevada plant. Liebermann with all of the idiot belief of a
> > >>> fool believes that the Chinese batteries are safe because he doesn't
> > >>> get any reports of Chinese batteries exploding. When you don't look, you don't find.
> > >>> https://e-vehicleinfo.com/global/chinas-electric-explosions-7-electric-vehicles-catch-fire-each-day/
> > >>
> > >> That might be useful information, if I lived in China. At best, your
> > >> amazing assumptions is a half or 1/4th truth. However, you're correct
> > >> that I don't receive daily reports of battery explosions in China. Try
> > >> the videos below.
> > >>
> > > But the truth is that China has some 50% of all the electric cars on
> > > the world's roads, a total of 13.8 million. Which makes 7 a day some
> > > look just a bit less horrifying. Some 0.0185 percent annually.
> > >
> > >
> > It’s the biggest car market in the world, and going EV has given local
> > companies a start which clearly a benefit.
> >
> > Let alone the brands that have been bought such as MG or Volvo/polestar and
> > so on.
> >
> > Roger Merriman
> A Tesla costs about the same as a gas car. So by all means get one. Or believe that idiot Liebermann who has never had two pennies to rub together because he doesn't know anything about anything, but can convince you otherwise?
>
> I got wealthy by knowing what I'm doing. Flunky and Liebermann are two peas in a pod. Both of them are in debt up to their eyebrows and willing to lie about it. Slocomb is another one of them. Krygowski at least got a passing education even if he couldn't use it. Scharf? He is technician only grade material. Does this sound like I'm picking on them?
>
> They started it and then couldn't take the truth. Remember that Slocomb told us that he was a qualified machinist, whatever that is? That is why the Air Force, always short on skilled personnel put him in a dead end job and retired him 2 grades below normal. Does that sound qualified at anything? When I asked Flunky a short simple C program you didn't see Scharf speaking up about that did you? I have said before that an electronics engineer cannot design proper digital circuits without knowing how to program. Neither Scharf or Flunky had the slightest idea what that program meant. For Christ's sake - ALL IT DID WAS FLASH A LIGHT! That is proof that neither is what they claim to be. Perhaps Flunky has a degree but he learned nothing and is nothing more than a paperwork wonk. Liebermann might have learned how to repair radios but I was repairing tube radios at 16. Remember the Vietnam airlift that Slocomb claims lasted two days. Think about that. The war ended in 1973 with the Paris Peace Accords and the last military personnel didn't leave until half way through 1975. ("The United States officially ended its involvement in the war with the signing of the Paris Peace Accords by President Nixon in 1973, with the last American personnel leaving Vietnam during the Fall of Saigon in April 1975")
>
> I was nothing more than a competent engineer that knew how to handle my money because I was born into a poor household. I worked with many remarkable people and at least earned their respect simply by doing a competent job. Compare that with the petty jealously of these five and their clearly fake claims. I did work for two of the most prestigious research organizations in the world. I did important work for the Army and what was probably important at the time for NASA. I designed and programmed so many medical instruments that you can't even go into an emergency hospital without them using one or a later improvement of them on you.
>
> I'm cherry picking?
>
Those who can do, do. Those who can't do, teach or try to control those who can. It was ever thus.-- Andre Jute
>

On 1/24/2024 11:13 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> I was nothing more than a competent engineer ...

You weren't an engineer, Tom.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 11:13:44 PM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 3:09:30 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
> > John B. <sloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 09:42:45 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 09:11:15 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> > >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 3:46:46?AM UTC-8, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> > >>>> Am 23.01.2024 um 19:58 schrieb Jeff Liebermann:
> > >>>>> On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 12:16:13 GMT, Roger Merriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> In the uk the car that is hitting the headlines is the Land Rover, which
> > >>>>>> has had to do in house insurance as the premiums are huge, if they will
> > >>>>>> even insure it anyway.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Tesla I believe does have slightly higher premiums for a number of reasons
> > >>>>>> such as you said.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Roger Merriman
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Looks like it's been a problem in the UK for at least a few months:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> (Sept 30, 2023)
> > >>>>> "'The quotes were £5,000 or more’: electric vehicle owners face
> > >>>>> soaring insurance costs"
> > >>>>> <https://www.theguardian.com/money/2023/sep/30/the-quotes-were-5000-or-more-electric-vehicle-owners-face-soaring-insurance-costs>
> > >>
> > >>>> As I said: the headlines talk of Electric Vehicles, the small print
> > >>>> complains about Tesla.
> > >>>> All Tesla are EV but not all EV are Tesla.
> > >>
> > >>> Rolf,l you have your choice of buying batteries from China or batteries
> > >>> from Tesla's Nevada plant. Liebermann with all of the idiot belief of a
> > >>> fool believes that the Chinese batteries are safe because he doesn't
> > >>> get any reports of Chinese batteries exploding. When you don't look, you don't find.
> > >>> https://e-vehicleinfo.com/global/chinas-electric-explosions-7-electric-vehicles-catch-fire-each-day/
> > >>
> > >> That might be useful information, if I lived in China. At best, your
> > >> amazing assumptions is a half or 1/4th truth. However, you're correct
> > >> that I don't receive daily reports of battery explosions in China. Try
> > >> the videos below.
> > >>
> > > But the truth is that China has some 50% of all the electric cars on
> > > the world's roads, a total of 13.8 million. Which makes 7 a day some
> > > look just a bit less horrifying. Some 0.0185 percent annually.
> > >
> > >
> > It’s the biggest car market in the world, and going EV has given local
> > companies a start which clearly a benefit.
> >
> > Let alone the brands that have been bought such as MG or Volvo/polestar and
> > so on.
> >
> > Roger Merriman
> A Tesla costs about the same as a gas car. So by all means get one. Or believe that idiot Liebermann who has never had two pennies to rub together because he doesn't know anything about anything, but can convince you otherwise?
>
> I got wealthy by knowing what I'm doing. Flunky and Liebermann are two peas in a pod. Both of them are in debt up to their eyebrows and willing to lie about it. Slocomb is another one of them. Krygowski at least got a passing education even if he couldn't use it. Scharf? He is technician only grade material. Does this sound like I'm picking on them?
>
> They started it and then couldn't take the truth. Remember that Slocomb told us that he was a qualified machinist, whatever that is? That is why the Air Force, always short on skilled personnel put him in a dead end job and retired him 2 grades below normal. Does that sound qualified at anything? When I asked Flunky a short simple C program you didn't see Scharf speaking up about that did you? I have said before that an electronics engineer cannot design proper digital circuits without knowing how to program. Neither Scharf or Flunky had the slightest idea what that program meant. For Christ's sake - ALL IT DID WAS FLASH A LIGHT! That is proof that neither is what they claim to be. Perhaps Flunky has a degree but he learned nothing and is nothing more than a paperwork wonk. Liebermann might have learned how to repair radios but I was repairing tube radios at 16. Remember the Vietnam airlift that Slocomb claims lasted two days. Think about that. The war ended in 1973 with the Paris Peace Accords and the last military personnel didn't leave until half way through 1975. ("The United States officially ended its involvement in the war with the signing of the Paris Peace Accords by President Nixon in 1973, with the last American personnel leaving Vietnam during the Fall of Saigon in April 1975")
>
> I was nothing more than a competent engineer that knew how to handle my money because I was born into a poor household. I worked with many remarkable people and at least earned their respect simply by doing a competent job. Compare that with the petty jealously of these five and their clearly fake claims. I did work for two of the most prestigious research organizations in the world. I did important work for the Army and what was probably important at the time for NASA. I designed and programmed so many medical instruments that you can't even go into an emergency hospital without them using one or a later improvement of them on you.
>
> I'm cherry picking?

No, you're lying. Everything you've written above is demonstrably false. It's been proven probably thousands of times since you started polluting this forum nearly 30 years ago. Your legacy here will be worse than that of the shitstain.

Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 1/24/2024 11:13 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>
>> I was nothing more than a competent engineer ...
>
> You weren't an engineer, Tom.
>

As his post wasn’t anything more than bile I wasn’t going to reply as well
if he can’t be vaguely civil…

Roger Merriman