On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 9:54:54 AM UTC, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 9:20:11 AM UTC, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 15:40:36 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 03:30:28 -0500, Catrike Rider
> > ><sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> > >
> > >>On Sat, 09 Dec 2023 19:14:50 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
> > >>wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 09:19:54 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> > >>>wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>On Sat, 09 Dec 2023 17:35:16 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
> > >>>>wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 07:59:14 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>rOn Sat, 9 Dec 2023 15:09:38 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> > >>>>>><cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 2:56:24?PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> >
> > >>>>>>>> Here that doughty, efficient and often successful fighter for free speech, Mark Steyn, explains the Post-COVID excess deaths around the world.
> > >>>>>>>> https://www.steynonline.com/13963/the-known-unknowns
> > >>>>>>>> >
> > >>>>>>>> Once more we grasp that Tom was right from the beginning. Will you monkeys now apologise to Tom?
> > >>>>>>>> >
> > >>>>>>>> Andre Jute
> > >>>>>>>> Rolling on the floor laughing out loud at the RBT clowns being taken in by that conman Fauci.
> > >>>>>>>> >
> > >>>>>>>Lou was just telling us that he doesn't like Trump because CNN thinks he's a meany for cutting off their government subsidies given to them by the Democrats so that they would report only good things about Democrats. That's a lot more important to him than 13% of his relatives dead because of a poisonous vaccine
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>Tommy, can you provide any proof of the excess Covid deaths that you
> > >>>>>>keep going on about?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>I don't mean some idiot on you tube blathering on about something
> > >>>>>>he/she/it really knows nothing about, but a proper scientific study by
> > >>>>>>competent people of actual confirmed deaths due to the vaccination.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Mortality statistics tend to be a running tabulation of deaths, which
> > >>>>>is usually a few months behind on publication and likely to require
> > >>>>>continuous corrections. Lacking anything better, the WHO (world
> > >>>>>health organization) is the best I can offer.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>"Excess mortality during the Coronavirus pandemic (COVID-19)"
> > >>>>><https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>The problem is that excess death calculations rely on a dubious
> > >>>>>assumption, that deaths from all causes other than Covid-19 remain
> > >>>>>constant. That's hardly the case when the statistics gathering
> > >>>>>organizations either shut down between 2020 and the end of 2022,
> > >>>>>became heavily politicized, or faked their numbers to avoid a local
> > >>>>>panic. There were other factors, like the shutdown of many hospital
> > >>>>>services, which delayed many procedures. The lack of international
> > >>>>>standards on collecting Covid-19 related data doesn't help much. If
> > >>>>>you look at the graphs in the above URL, the lines between the upper
> > >>>>>and lower uncertainty bounds are huge. In other words, the "data" is
> > >>>>>really an estimate (or best guess).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Here's the WHO graphs for just the USA:
> > >>>>><https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-deaths-daily-economist-single-entity>
> > >>>>>95% uncertainty upper and 0% lower bounds are still widely separated.
> > >>>>>For the USA, that's current +/- 1,000 deaths per week.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>My guess is that you won't reply as there is no proof of excessive
> > >>>>>>deaths, well except for your imagination which is neither scientific
> > >>>>>>or competent.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Well, since Tom's reply is likely to be politicized, perhaps a
> > >>>>>pre-emptive strike might be amusing:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>"Excess Death Rates for Republican and Democratic Registered Voters in
> > >>>>>Florida and Ohio During the COVID-19 Pandemic" (July 24, 2023)
> > >>>>><https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2807617>
> > >>>>>"In this cohort study evaluating 538,159 deaths in individuals aged 25
> > >>>>>years and older in Florida and Ohio between March 2020 and December
> > >>>>>2021, excess mortality was significantly higher for Republican voters
> > >>>>>than Democratic voters after COVID-19 vaccines were available to all
> > >>>>>adults, but not before."
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Translation: Vaccines don't kill Republicans. It's the lack of
> > >>>>>vaccines that kill Republicans.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>But you are comparing Covid Deaths. Tom is talking about deaths due
> > >>>>solely to having received a vaccination
> > >>>
> > >>>Sorry, I missed that. As I understand it, the author is disappointed
> > >>>that the Covid death rate failed to drop to the comparatively low
> > >>>levels of pre-pandemic (before Jan 2023) incidence. Note the title,
> > >>>which suggest uncertainty:
> > >>>"An analysis of excess mortality based on age and sex; the possible
> > >>>role of Covid-19, delayed care and vaccines"
> > >>><https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Herman-Steigstra/publication/375774174_An_analysis_of_excess_mortality_based_on_age_and_sex_the_possible_role_of_Covid-19_delayed_care_and_vaccines/links/655c7aecce88b87031fbc73a/An-analysis-of-excess-mortality-based-on-age-and-sex-the-possible-role-of-Covid-19-delayed-care-and-vaccines.pdf>
> > >>><https://www.researchgate.net/publication/375774174_An_analysis_of_excess_mortality_based_on_age_and_sex_the_possible_role_of_Covid-19_delayed_care_and_vaccines>
> > >>>(12 pages). Note that CBS is "Statistics Netherlands":
> > >>><https://www.cbs.nl/en-gb>
> > >>>
> > >>>I think the author answered his own question on Pg 4.
> > >>>"In this graph, as an example, we see the baseline calculated for 2020
> > >>>for both men and women. What is immediately striking is the sharp peak
> > >>>among 75-year-olds. This is a consequence of the baby boom, the birth
> > >>>wave in 1946 immediately after the Second World War."
> > >>>In other words, he discovered that more men had died during WWII than
> > >>>women, and that the baseline death rates are finally catching up with
> > >>>the baby boomers. In other words, if he can't win at football, just
> > >>>move the goal posts. Redefining the baseline death rates to fit his
> > >>>conclusions is the equivalent to moving the goal posts.
> > >>>
> > >>>Most his contentions are summarized in one sentence on Pg 9:
> > >>>"We see here clearly and unmistakably that there was more excess
> > >>>mortality in all the years in which vaccination was carried out than
> > >>>in the year without vaccination."
> > >>>This is the basis of the authors uncertain conclusion that Covid was
> > >>>gone by the end of 2022 which should have reduced the excess deaths,
> > >>>but didn't. Never mind various Covid variants, long Covid, creative
> > >>>fatality tracking, delayed medical care, and such, all of which
> > >>>persist to this day in some degree.
> > >>>
> > >>>Pg 9 again: "The risk of mortality is increasing every year, while
> > >>>there is hardly any corona anymore. There are obviously no complete
> > >>>annual figures for 2023 yet, but the figures so far paint a picture
> > >>>identical to 2022."
> > >>>In other words, he admits to guessing based on incomplete statistics
> > >>>and continues to adjust the baseline death rates to meet his
> > >>>expectations. I would have been happier if he had used the baseline
> > >>>numbers in the same manner as the WHO and other agencies, and then
> > >>>applied his assumptions. Instead, he first adjusts his baseline
> > >>>numbers to meet his expectations and then wonders why they still
> > >>>didn't produce his expected results. Also, this is for only one
> > >>>country and does not represent the situation in other countries.
> > >>
> > >>Given the data came from the AMA, which is known to have a political
> > >>agenda, I am reminded of the fact that studies can be munipulated to
> > >>show what the people who fund the study want it to show.
> > >
> > >
> > >But what organization isn't interested in hiding their "short
> > >comings".
> > >Even the Boy Scouts.
> > When someone says, "here is what I want you to believe," my response
> > is, "what's in it for you?"
> >
> > One is either a skeptic or a moron.
> >
> It's politically incorrect to be a skeptic in 2023. You're supposed to lie back and enjoy diversity stuffing you with misinformation. -- Andre Jute
> >
What strikes me in this is that Slow Johnny, Liebermann, and Kreepy Krygowski aren't arguing with Mark Steyn's survey of studies around the world of excess mortality before, during and after COVID, as against the background of expected mortality in the aftermath of the Chinese virus, but simply take my post, and every other post, as another opportunity to try and bully Tom Kunich. That itself is stupid, because they have now failed for umpteen years to make the slightest dent in Tom's exuberant width of knowledge. What do you call a moron who cannot change his mind when the whole world knows he's been wrong all along? Answer: an obsessive compulsive moron, or, in other word, Slow Johnny, Liebermann, and Krygowski.
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These dumbfucks don't have the brainpower or the statistical knowhow to grasp what Steyn is reporting. The only question is whether their behaviour is a cover for their embarrassment or simply their vicious natures, which we have all seen exposed here on RBT for years now. And where, oh where, is the Cowardly Flunkeymonkey, the fourth brainless berk?
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Andre Jute
Scum is as scum does.
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