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In article <ujiluf$l$6@gallifrey.nk.ca>, doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca wrote:

>The decision made by Russell T Davies to change the appearance of malevolent
>evil-doer Davros in Doctor Who to remove the scarring and wheelchair use is
>so significant for disabled fans across past, present, and future
>generations.

I never really gave it much thought, TBH. I thought he was partially ripped
off from Captian Pike from STAR TREK and overcame his condition.

>As a disabled child growing up with Doctor Who, I was instantly drawn to the
>mysterious and chilling character of Davros; from the moment he appeared on
>screen, his presence captivated and unsettled me.
>
>But recently, Doctor Who returned to screens with a particular scene
>featuring Davros, who was played once again by Julian Bleach, without a
>wheelchair or scarring � and while viewers might have thought that it was
>simply because this special scene was set before the accident that left the
>character scarred and needing a support unit and means of mobility, Doctor
>Who showrunner Russell T Davies has clarified that it was a conscious attempt
>to consider the sometimes uncomfortable history of the show, and broader
>society, and how it ought to evolve.

[rolls eyes]

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On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 16:30:07 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca
(The Doctor) wrote:

>https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-davros-change-disabled-fans-comment/

Okay, they've introduced an able bodied Davros, now they need to
introduce some disabled heroes.
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Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 16:30:07 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca
> (The Doctor) wrote:
>
>> https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-davros-change-disabled-fans-comment/
>
> Okay, they've introduced an able bodied Davros, now they need to
> introduce some disabled heroes.

Well the late great Bernard Cribbins was wheelchair bound when he did his
cameo for the upcoming specials - and Britain’s most used wheelchair bind
actor Ruth Madeley is also guesting soon - so yeah. Guest stars on the side
of “right”in wheelchairs are coming.

Liz Carr - who after decades in Silent Witness has recently been seen in
The Witcher, Good Omens and Loki - is a shoo in to appear soon too, I
betcha.

I’m not sure a disabled Doctor works given regeneration, but we’ll see one
day no doubt. RTD has already written one into the side-canon (in the
novelisation he did for the episode “Rose”) as being one of the Doctors on
Clive’s wallboard.

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In article <ujirle$u52c$1@dont-email.me>,
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>In article <ujiluf$l$6@gallifrey.nk.ca>, doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca wrote:
>
>>The decision made by Russell T Davies to change the appearance of malevolent
>>evil-doer Davros in Doctor Who to remove the scarring and wheelchair use is
>>so significant for disabled fans across past, present, and future
>>generations.
>
>I never really gave it much thought, TBH. I thought he was partially ripped
>off from Captian Pike from STAR TREK and overcame his condition.
>
>>As a disabled child growing up with Doctor Who, I was instantly drawn to the
>>mysterious and chilling character of Davros; from the moment he appeared on
>>screen, his presence captivated and unsettled me.
>>
>>But recently, Doctor Who returned to screens with a particular scene
>>featuring Davros, who was played once again by Julian Bleach, without a
>>wheelchair or scarring � and while viewers might have thought that it was
>>simply because this special scene was set before the accident that left the
>>character scarred and needing a support unit and means of mobility, Doctor
>>Who showrunner Russell T Davies has clarified that it was a conscious attempt
>>to consider the sometimes uncomfortable history of the show, and broader
>>society, and how it ought to evolve.
>
>[rolls eyes]
>

Eas on!
>
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>
>

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In article <7m1qlid026krsnul22u9qhvrrakfkg417c@4ax.com>,
Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 16:30:07 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca
>(The Doctor) wrote:
>
>>https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-davros-change-disabled-fans-comment/
>
>Okay, they've introduced an able bodied Davros, now they need to
>introduce some disabled heroes.

Yeah.

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In article <ujj46q$vmfp$1@dont-email.me>,
The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 16:30:07 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca
>> (The Doctor) wrote:
>>
>>>
>https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-davros-change-disabled-fans-comment/
>>
>> Okay, they've introduced an able bodied Davros, now they need to
>> introduce some disabled heroes.
>
>Well the late great Bernard Cribbins was wheelchair bound when he did his
>cameo for the upcoming specials - and Britain’s most used wheelchair bind
>actor Ruth Madeley is also guesting soon - so yeah. Guest stars on the side
>of “right”in wheelchairs are coming.
>
>Liz Carr - who after decades in Silent Witness has recently been seen in
>The Witcher, Good Omens and Loki - is a shoo in to appear soon too, I
>betcha.
>
>I’m not sure a disabled Doctor works given regeneration, but we’ll see one
>day no doubt. RTD has already written one into the side-canon (in the
>novelisation he did for the episode “Rose”) as being one of the Doctors on
>Clive’s wallboard.
>

Thank you1

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On 2023-11-21 19:38:43 +0000, Tim Merrigan said:
> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 16:30:07 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca
> (The Doctor) wrote:
>>
>> https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-davros-change-disabled-fans-comment/
>>
>
> Okay, they've introduced an able bodied Davros, now they need to
> introduce some disabled heroes.

That article was obviously written by someone with zero understanding
of Doctor Who and is simply "Politically Correct" bandwagon-jumping /
whining. :-(

The short "minisode" took place at the creation of the first Dalek ...
so could easily be before Davos was badly injured and had to start
using the wheelchair.

In article <ujj9bs$10h5o$1@dont-email.me>,
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>On 2023-11-21 19:38:43 +0000, Tim Merrigan said:
>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 16:30:07 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca
>> (The Doctor) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-davros-change-disabled-fans-comment/
>>>
>>
>> Okay, they've introduced an able bodied Davros, now they need to
>> introduce some disabled heroes.
>
>That article was obviously written by someone with zero understanding
>of Doctor Who and is simply "Politically Correct" bandwagon-jumping /
>whining. :-(
>
>The short "minisode" took place at the creation of the first Dalek ...
>so could easily be before Davos was badly injured and had to start
>using the wheelchair.
>

That's Davros!
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In article <ujiluf$l$6@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:

> https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-davros-change-disabled-fans-co
> mment/

So what's next? Are we also going to have to retcon Darth Vader and take
him out of his iconic suit (which is the equivalent of a wheelchair--
he's disabled and it's what keeps him alive and allows him to be mobile
and interact with the world) because he's a villain and apparently there
are no bad disabled people in the world anymore (or something) so they
can never be shown as such.

It's ridiculous to have a franchise with major and intentional continuity
errors that will forever have to be explained to new fans that, "Yes, it
makes no damn sense for the character to be scarred and disabled in all
these episodes here, but over here the producers went woke and so this
is where we are."

--------------------------------

https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-davros-change-disabled-fa
ns-comment/

The decision made by Russell T Davies to change the appearance of
malevolent evil-doer Davros in DOCTOR WHO to remove the scarring and
wheelchair use is so significant for disabled fans across past, present,
and future generations.

As a disabled child growing up with DOCTOR WHO, I was instantly drawn to
the mysterious and chilling character of Davros; from the moment he
appeared on screen, his presence captivated and unsettled me.

But as I matured, an unsettling feeling of unease crept into my
consciousness. I couldn't get rid of the idea that Davros and countless
other DOCTOR WHO villains, such as John Lumic (Roger Lloyd Pack),
another wheelchair user, fell into a troubling trope that profoundly
impacted me and others.

As a character, Davros embodies a particular trope that has been present
in storytelling for centuries. It is the notion that a character's moral
and physiological nature are intrinsically linked. This idea is as
universal as it is old. It suggests that physical disability is telling
of inherently villainous or tragic characteristics, strengthening the
harmful notion that disabled individuals are somehow flawed, lesser or
tainted.

My memories of DOCTOR WHO are of the good sometimes mingled too tightly
with the bad.

The power of the trope can be felt before it is fully understood or
seen-- disabled people feel it in the way we're taken apart and put back
together again. Our experience of the prejudice and stigma such ideas
provoke is still fraught and muddy-- a mess of feelings.

Over time, you could gradually watch the light behind my eyes change
from innocent devotion to betrayal. For years, DOCTOR WHO had told me,
unwittingly, something was wrong with me.

But recently, DOCTOR WHO returned to screens with a particular scene
featuring Davros, who was played once again by Julian Bleach, without a
wheelchair or scarring-- and while viewers might have thought that it
was simply because this special scene was set before the accident that
left the character scarred and needing a support unit and means of
mobility, DOCTOR WHO showrunner Russell T Davies has clarified that it
was a conscious attempt to consider the sometimes uncomfortable history
of the show, and broader society, and how it ought to evolve.

On the new BBC Three companion series DOCTOR WHO: UNLEASHED, Davies
said: "We had long conversations about bringing Davros back, because
he's a fantastic character, [but] time and society and culture and taste
has moved on.

"And there's a problem with the Davros of old in that he's a wheelchair
user, who is evil. And I had problems with that. And a lot of us on the
production team had problems with that, of associating disability with
evil."

I had tears in my eyes as I watched a man I admire utter these words; it
was cathartic. But I wish they had been spoken earlier by someone who
looked, moved or talked like me.

Many have now risen to address and denounce these former practices and,
as Davies further comments: "I say, this is how we see Davros now, this
is what he looks like. This is 2023. This is our lens. This is our eye.
Things used to be black and white, they're not in black and white
anymore, and Davros used to look like that and he looks like this now,
and that we are absolutely standing by."

Their voices resonate with a generation searching for validation because
we've been told for so long that our concerns, feelings, and unease
don't matter.

However, changing how Davros was portrayed elicited strong emotions from
many fans, who quickly expressed their displeasure. Many argued that
they had never perceived Davros as a wheelchair user and believed the
character should remain untouched.

But this reaction misses a critical point. The significance of altering
Davros's image lies in the experience of disabled viewers. It is about
allowing them to watch and engage with the show without feeling a
creeping unease, without that early recognition that they are being
othered by their heroes or condemned even in other worlds.

One DOCTOR WHO fan shared their perspective on social media, stating
that the change in Davros's portrayal had "ruined" their childhood. I
encourage anyone who shares this sentiment to consider the impact of a
consistent stream of disabled villains on disabled children. What it
teaches them about their bodies and minds-- what it puts in their
imaginations.

While it is crucial to avoid removing disabilities or attempting to
"fix" disabled characters, their histories, their narratives or their
identities, Davros, being an archetypal villain, exists in that form
only to feed on prejudice and misconceptions. As Dr Kirsty Liddiard from
the University of Sheffield puts it, these characters must be more than
the "sum of their impairments".

Past, present, and future generations of DOCTOR WHO fans will feel the
impact of this change. It allows for more inclusive and representative
storytelling, where disabled individuals are seen as equals, and their
voices and feelings are listened to-- it's also a moment of validation,
of catharsis, for those of us told that our feelings of unease didn't
and still don't matter.

In article <atropos-C6F03C.14124921112023@ec2-18-102-80-69.eu-south-1.compute.amazonaws.com>,
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>In article <ujiluf$l$6@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
> doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>
>> https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-davros-change-disabled-fans-co
>> mment/
>
>So what's next? Are we also going to have to retcon Darth Vader and take
>him out of his iconic suit (which is the equivalent of a wheelchair--
>he's disabled and it's what keeps him alive and allows him to be mobile
>and interact with the world) because he's a villain and apparently there
>are no bad disabled people in the world anymore (or something) so they
>can never be shown as such.
>
>It's ridiculous to have a franchise with major and intentional continuity
>errors that will forever have to be explained to new fans that, "Yes, it
>makes no damn sense for the character to be scarred and disabled in all
>these episodes here, but over here the producers went woke and so this
>is where we are."
>

Guess why RTD was hired in 2005?

>--------------------------------
>
>https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-davros-change-disabled-fa
>ns-comment/
>
>The decision made by Russell T Davies to change the appearance of
>malevolent evil-doer Davros in DOCTOR WHO to remove the scarring and
>wheelchair use is so significant for disabled fans across past, present,
>and future generations.
>
>As a disabled child growing up with DOCTOR WHO, I was instantly drawn to
>the mysterious and chilling character of Davros; from the moment he
>appeared on screen, his presence captivated and unsettled me.
>
>But as I matured, an unsettling feeling of unease crept into my
>consciousness. I couldn't get rid of the idea that Davros and countless
>other DOCTOR WHO villains, such as John Lumic (Roger Lloyd Pack),
>another wheelchair user, fell into a troubling trope that profoundly
>impacted me and others.
>
>As a character, Davros embodies a particular trope that has been present
>in storytelling for centuries. It is the notion that a character's moral
>and physiological nature are intrinsically linked. This idea is as
>universal as it is old. It suggests that physical disability is telling
>of inherently villainous or tragic characteristics, strengthening the
>harmful notion that disabled individuals are somehow flawed, lesser or
>tainted.
>
>My memories of DOCTOR WHO are of the good sometimes mingled too tightly
>with the bad.
>
>The power of the trope can be felt before it is fully understood or
>seen-- disabled people feel it in the way we're taken apart and put back
>together again. Our experience of the prejudice and stigma such ideas
>provoke is still fraught and muddy-- a mess of feelings.
>
>Over time, you could gradually watch the light behind my eyes change
>from innocent devotion to betrayal. For years, DOCTOR WHO had told me,
>unwittingly, something was wrong with me.
>
>But recently, DOCTOR WHO returned to screens with a particular scene
>featuring Davros, who was played once again by Julian Bleach, without a
>wheelchair or scarring-- and while viewers might have thought that it
>was simply because this special scene was set before the accident that
>left the character scarred and needing a support unit and means of
>mobility, DOCTOR WHO showrunner Russell T Davies has clarified that it
>was a conscious attempt to consider the sometimes uncomfortable history
>of the show, and broader society, and how it ought to evolve.
>
>On the new BBC Three companion series DOCTOR WHO: UNLEASHED, Davies
>said: "We had long conversations about bringing Davros back, because
>he's a fantastic character, [but] time and society and culture and taste
>has moved on.
>
>"And there's a problem with the Davros of old in that he's a wheelchair
>user, who is evil. And I had problems with that. And a lot of us on the
>production team had problems with that, of associating disability with
>evil."
>
>I had tears in my eyes as I watched a man I admire utter these words; it
>was cathartic. But I wish they had been spoken earlier by someone who
>looked, moved or talked like me.
>
>Many have now risen to address and denounce these former practices and,
>as Davies further comments: "I say, this is how we see Davros now, this
>is what he looks like. This is 2023. This is our lens. This is our eye.
>Things used to be black and white, they're not in black and white
>anymore, and Davros used to look like that and he looks like this now,
>and that we are absolutely standing by."
>
>Their voices resonate with a generation searching for validation because
>we've been told for so long that our concerns, feelings, and unease
>don't matter.
>
>However, changing how Davros was portrayed elicited strong emotions from
>many fans, who quickly expressed their displeasure. Many argued that
>they had never perceived Davros as a wheelchair user and believed the
>character should remain untouched.
>
>But this reaction misses a critical point. The significance of altering
>Davros's image lies in the experience of disabled viewers. It is about
>allowing them to watch and engage with the show without feeling a
>creeping unease, without that early recognition that they are being
>othered by their heroes or condemned even in other worlds.
>
>One DOCTOR WHO fan shared their perspective on social media, stating
>that the change in Davros's portrayal had "ruined" their childhood. I
>encourage anyone who shares this sentiment to consider the impact of a
>consistent stream of disabled villains on disabled children. What it
>teaches them about their bodies and minds-- what it puts in their
>imaginations.
>
>While it is crucial to avoid removing disabilities or attempting to
>"fix" disabled characters, their histories, their narratives or their
>identities, Davros, being an archetypal villain, exists in that form
>only to feed on prejudice and misconceptions. As Dr Kirsty Liddiard from
>the University of Sheffield puts it, these characters must be more than
>the "sum of their impairments".
>
>Past, present, and future generations of DOCTOR WHO fans will feel the
>impact of this change. It allows for more inclusive and representative
>storytelling, where disabled individuals are seen as equals, and their
>voices and feelings are listened to-- it's also a moment of validation,
>of catharsis, for those of us told that our feelings of unease didn't
>and still don't matter.

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In message <ujj9bs$10h5o$1@dont-email.me>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> writes
>On 2023-11-21 19:38:43 +0000, Tim Merrigan said:
>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 16:30:07 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca
>> (The Doctor) wrote:
>>>
>>>https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-davros-change-disabled
>>>-fans-comment/
>> Okay, they've introduced an able bodied Davros, now they need to
>> introduce some disabled heroes.
>
>That article was obviously written by someone with zero understanding
>of Doctor Who and is simply "Politically Correct" bandwagon-jumping /
>whining. :-(
>
>The short "minisode" took place at the creation of the first Dalek ...
>so could easily be before Davos was badly injured and had to start
>using the wheelchair.
>

I'd have thought that his own wheelchair was likely to be his
inspiration for the Dalek design, but I suppose it could have been the
other way around.
--
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from coughing."
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John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <ujj9bs$10h5o$1@dont-email.me>, Your Name
> <YourName@YourISP.com> writes
>> On 2023-11-21 19:38:43 +0000, Tim Merrigan said:
>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 16:30:07 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca
>>> (The Doctor) wrote:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-davros-change-disabled
>>>> -fans-comment/
>>> Okay, they've introduced an able bodied Davros, now they need to
>>> introduce some disabled heroes.
>>
>> That article was obviously written by someone with zero understanding
>> of Doctor Who and is simply "Politically Correct" bandwagon-jumping /
>> whining. :-(
>>
>> The short "minisode" took place at the creation of the first Dalek ...
>> so could easily be before Davos was badly injured and had to start
>> using the wheelchair.
>>
>
> I'd have thought that his own wheelchair was likely to be his
> inspiration for the Dalek design, but I suppose it could have been the
> other way around.

That’s not the point - in the latest set of timelines, there will be no
injury, no Dalek-based chair. Russell T Davies was very clear on this in
the “Unleashed” mini documentary that accompanied the minisode:

‘We had long conversations about bringing Davros back, because he’s a
fantastic character. Time and society and culture and taste have moved on,
and there’s a problem with the old Davros: he’s a wheelchair user who is
evil. I had problems with that. A lot of us on the production team did too,
associating disability with evil. Trust me, there’s a very long tradition
of this.

‘I’m not blaming people in the past at all, but the world changes. And when
the world changes, Doctor Who has to change as well. So we made the choice
to bring back Davros without the facial scarring and without the wheelchair
– or his support unit, which functions as a wheelchair.

‘I say, this is how we see Davros now. This is what he looks like. This is
2023. This is our lens. This is our eye. Things used to be black and white;
they’re not anymore. Davros used to look like that, and now he looks like
this. We are absolutely standing by that.’

This change to Davros is indeed due to a woke rethinking of the role. Past
iterations remain, but this Davros - the one we’re likely to see again - is
from a different continuity, and whatever we think of that, it is what it
is. And this also demonstrates the sort of thinking that the show’s
creatives are likely to continue to bring to the show (given that there are
five specials and an 8 episode season in the can already and production is
underway on the 2025 season), so we can either learn to live with it and
accept the show for what it now is, or move on.

--
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The Last Doctor wrote on 22/11/23 7:33 am:
> Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 16:30:07 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca
>> (The Doctor) wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-davros-change-disabled-fans-comment/
>>
>> Okay, they've introduced an able bodied Davros, now they need to
>> introduce some disabled heroes.
>
> Well the late great Bernard Cribbins was wheelchair bound when he
> did his cameo for the upcoming specials - and Britain’s most used
> wheelchair bind actor Ruth Madeley is also guesting soon - so yeah.
> Guest stars on the side of “right”in wheelchairs are coming.
>
> Liz Carr - who after decades in Silent Witness

"after decades"?? I didn't think it was that long!! ;-P

> has recently been seen in The Witcher, Good Omens and Loki - is a
> shoo in to appear soon too, I betcha.
>
> I’m not sure a disabled Doctor works given regeneration,

Was it Doctor 5 or 6 that fell off a Radio Telescope Antenna and then
re-generated??

Could we have had a Wheelchair enabled Doctor there for a while before
he regenerated into a fit, healthy, Doctor??

> but we’ll see one day no doubt. RTD has already written one into the
> side-canon (in the novelisation he did for the episode “Rose”) as
> being one of the Doctors on Clive’s wallboard.

--
Daniel

On 21/11/2023 20:33, The Last Doctor wrote:
> Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 16:30:07 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca
>> (The Doctor) wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-davros-change-disabled-fans-comment/
>>
>> Okay, they've introduced an able bodied Davros, now they need to
>> introduce some disabled heroes.
>

WHY?

> Well the late great Bernard Cribbins was wheelchair bound when he did his
> cameo for the upcoming specials - and Britain’s most used wheelchair bind
> actor Ruth Madeley is also guesting soon - so yeah. Guest stars on the side
> of “right”in wheelchairs are coming.
>

So what does the woke retard of a show runner RTD want to do? Scare
children? I seem to remember reading about him issuing some sort of
warning regarding that earlier?

Since he thinks that depicting someone in a wheelchair means that they
mast be evil is he foreshadowing something? Didn't this retard create
John Lumic and make him the creator of the Cybermen? Aren't the Cybermen
supposed to represent disabled people anyway? Like all disabled people
since all their body parts have been replaced. I seem to remember
reading that actual disabled people such as Ian Levine were condemning
this woke retard for claiming that one disability represents all
disabilities when it clearly doesn't. How are people who are deaf
supposed to be represented by wheelchair users? How are people that need
kidney dialysis or with heart conditions supposed to be represented by
someone in a wheelchair. Well, technically they used to be by Davros
because his chair also contained a life support system, but not any
more. It's no wonder the retarded woke bigot is being universally
condemned for attempting to represent people who never asked him to
represent them.

> Liz Carr - who after decades in Silent Witness has recently been seen in
> The Witcher, Good Omens and Loki - is a shoo in to appear soon too, I
> betcha.

So Doctor Who is being turned into a freak show then. Roll up, roll up,
come in to see the bearded lady. Is she a lady? No, she was born a man.
But you could not tell before I told you, or can you? Roll up, roll up,
the show is about to begin.

>
> I’m not sure a disabled Doctor works given regeneration, but we’ll see one
> day no doubt. RTD has already written one into the side-canon (in the
> novelisation he did for the episode “Rose”) as being one of the Doctors on
> Clive’s wallboard.
>

It's back to the retarded one-disability-fits-all bigoted mentality
again isn't it?

How the fuck is a Doctor in a wheelchair supposed to climb stairs?
Wasn't that already a big problem with Davros?

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stands for." -William Shatner

On 22/11/2023 13:13, The Last Doctor wrote:
> John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <ujj9bs$10h5o$1@dont-email.me>, Your Name
>> <YourName@YourISP.com> writes
>>> On 2023-11-21 19:38:43 +0000, Tim Merrigan said:
>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 16:30:07 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca
>>>> (The Doctor) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-davros-change-disabled
>>>>> -fans-comment/
>>>> Okay, they've introduced an able bodied Davros, now they need to
>>>> introduce some disabled heroes.
>>>
>>> That article was obviously written by someone with zero understanding
>>> of Doctor Who and is simply "Politically Correct" bandwagon-jumping /
>>> whining. :-(
>>>
>>> The short "minisode" took place at the creation of the first Dalek ...
>>> so could easily be before Davos was badly injured and had to start
>>> using the wheelchair.
>>>
>>
>> I'd have thought that his own wheelchair was likely to be his
>> inspiration for the Dalek design, but I suppose it could have been the
>> other way around.
>
> That’s not the point - in the latest set of timelines, there will be no
> injury, no Dalek-based chair. Russell T Davies was very clear on this in
> the “Unleashed” mini documentary that accompanied the minisode:
>
> ‘We had long conversations about bringing Davros back, because he’s a
> fantastic character. Time and society and culture and taste have moved on,
> and there’s a problem with the old Davros: he’s a wheelchair user who is
> evil. I had problems with that. A lot of us on the production team did too,
> associating disability with evil. Trust me, there’s a very long tradition
> of this.
>
> ‘I’m not blaming people in the past at all, but the world changes. And when
> the world changes, Doctor Who has to change as well. So we made the choice
> to bring back Davros without the facial scarring and without the wheelchair
> – or his support unit, which functions as a wheelchair.
>
> ‘I say, this is how we see Davros now. This is what he looks like. This is
> 2023. This is our lens. This is our eye. Things used to be black and white;
> they’re not anymore. Davros used to look like that, and now he looks like
> this. We are absolutely standing by that.’
>
> This change to Davros is indeed due to a woke rethinking of the role. Past
> iterations remain, but this Davros - the one we’re likely to see again - is
> from a different continuity, and whatever we think of that, it is what it

Where did RTD say it was from a different continuity?

When are you woke retards going to remember that Capaldi met Davros when
he was a boy walking though a mine field with his legs intact and no
scaring or mutations.

> is. And this also demonstrates the sort of thinking that the show’s
> creatives are likely to continue to bring to the show (given that there are

Retarded thinking by degenerate patronizing woke hypocrites and bigots
who no body asked for them to be represented by.

> five specials and an 8 episode season in the can already and production is
> underway on the 2025 season), so we can either learn to live with it and
> accept the show for what it now is, or move on.
>

Doctor Who ended in 2017. Other people will continue it from where it
ended. RTD isn't making anything for the viewers, and neither was
Chibnall. They're only making stuff for their own woke degenerate egos.

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stands for." -William Shatner

In uk.media.tv.sf.drwho Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> Was it Doctor 5 or 6 that fell off a Radio Telescope Antenna and then
> re-generated??

Ist was Number 4.

> Could we have had a Wheelchair enabled Doctor there for a while before
> he regenerated into a fit, healthy, Doctor??

But what will you do with him (or a companion in a wheelchair)? I
don't even know if the Tardis doors would be big enough.

You can't have episodes in the human past because the people wouldn't
know what do to with a wheelchair and most places wouldn't be
reachable with a wheelchair.

You can't have big action szenes. Think about the running around.

That's why Charles Xavier is a very boring character. He can only give
orders but the "work" has to be done by others.

And to hell with Davros. He is the only Who villain in a wheelchair.
And he is a war survivor which explains the possible need for a
wheelchair.

But I don't care anymore for new Dr. Who. I will look for restored
missing episodes from the old Who, but the new Who is dead for me.

Stephan

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In article <J6f$twAwIdXlFwEL@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>,
John Hall <john@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>In message <ujj9bs$10h5o$1@dont-email.me>, Your Name
><YourName@YourISP.com> writes
>>On 2023-11-21 19:38:43 +0000, Tim Merrigan said:
>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 16:30:07 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca
>>> (The Doctor) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-davros-change-disabled
>>>>-fans-comment/
>>> Okay, they've introduced an able bodied Davros, now they need to
>>> introduce some disabled heroes.
>>
>>That article was obviously written by someone with zero understanding
>>of Doctor Who and is simply "Politically Correct" bandwagon-jumping /
>>whining. :-(
>>
>>The short "minisode" took place at the creation of the first Dalek ...
>>so could easily be before Davos was badly injured and had to start
>>using the wheelchair.
>>
>
>I'd have thought that his own wheelchair was likely to be his
>inspiration for the Dalek design, but I suppose it could have been the
>other way around.

He survived an attack AFAWK

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> "Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
> from coughing."
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In article <ujkuqe$1bd44$1@dont-email.me>,
The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <ujj9bs$10h5o$1@dont-email.me>, Your Name
>> <YourName@YourISP.com> writes
>>> On 2023-11-21 19:38:43 +0000, Tim Merrigan said:
>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 16:30:07 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca
>>>> (The Doctor) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-davros-change-disabled
>>>>> -fans-comment/
>>>> Okay, they've introduced an able bodied Davros, now they need to
>>>> introduce some disabled heroes.
>>>
>>> That article was obviously written by someone with zero understanding
>>> of Doctor Who and is simply "Politically Correct" bandwagon-jumping /
>>> whining. :-(
>>>
>>> The short "minisode" took place at the creation of the first Dalek ...
>>> so could easily be before Davos was badly injured and had to start
>>> using the wheelchair.
>>>
>>
>> I'd have thought that his own wheelchair was likely to be his
>> inspiration for the Dalek design, but I suppose it could have been the
>> other way around.
>
>That’s not the point - in the latest set of timelines, there will be no
>injury, no Dalek-based chair. Russell T Davies was very clear on this in
>the “Unleashed” mini documentary that accompanied the minisode:
>
>‘We had long conversations about bringing Davros back, because he’s a
>fantastic character. Time and society and culture and taste have moved on,
>and there’s a problem with the old Davros: he’s a wheelchair user who is
>evil. I had problems with that. A lot of us on the production team did too,
>associating disability with evil. Trust me, there’s a very long tradition
>of this.
>
>‘I’m not blaming people in the past at all, but the world changes. And when
>the world changes, Doctor Who has to change as well. So we made the choice
>to bring back Davros without the facial scarring and without the wheelchair
>– or his support unit, which functions as a wheelchair.
>
>‘I say, this is how we see Davros now. This is what he looks like. This is
>2023. This is our lens. This is our eye. Things used to be black and white;
>they’re not anymore. Davros used to look like that, and now he looks like
>this. We are absolutely standing by that.’
>
>This change to Davros is indeed due to a woke rethinking of the role. Past
>iterations remain, but this Davros - the one we’re likely to see again - is
>from a different continuity, and whatever we think of that, it is what it
>is. And this also demonstrates the sort of thinking that the show’s
>creatives are likely to continue to bring to the show (given that there are
>five specials and an 8 episode season in the can already and production is
>underway on the 2025 season), so we can either learn to live with it and
>accept the show for what it now is, or move on.
>

Beware anti-wokers!

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In article <ujl00a$1bin1$1@dont-email.me>,
Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>The Last Doctor wrote on 22/11/23 7:33 am:
>> Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 16:30:07 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca
>>> (The Doctor) wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-davros-change-disabled-fans-comment/
>>>
>>> Okay, they've introduced an able bodied Davros, now they need to
>>> introduce some disabled heroes.
>>
>> Well the late great Bernard Cribbins was wheelchair bound when he
>> did his cameo for the upcoming specials - and Britain’s most used
>> wheelchair bind actor Ruth Madeley is also guesting soon - so yeah.
>> Guest stars on the side of “right”in wheelchairs are coming.
>>
>> Liz Carr - who after decades in Silent Witness
>
>"after decades"?? I didn't think it was that long!! ;-P
>
>> has recently been seen in The Witcher, Good Omens and Loki - is a
>> shoo in to appear soon too, I betcha.
>>
>> I’m not sure a disabled Doctor works given regeneration,
>
>Was it Doctor 5 or 6 that fell off a Radio Telescope Antenna and then
>re-generated??
>

Logopolis Doctor 4 to 5 !!

>Could we have had a Wheelchair enabled Doctor there for a while before
>he regenerated into a fit, healthy, Doctor??
>
>> but we’ll see one day no doubt. RTD has already written one into the
>> side-canon (in the novelisation he did for the episode “Rose”) as
>> being one of the Doctors on Clive’s wallboard.
>

Point well taken.

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In article <ujl0qa$1bn3g$2@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>On 21/11/2023 20:33, The Last Doctor wrote:
>> Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 16:30:07 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca
>>> (The Doctor) wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-davros-change-disabled-fans-comment/
>>>
>>> Okay, they've introduced an able bodied Davros, now they need to
>>> introduce some disabled heroes.
>>
>
>WHY?
>
>> Well the late great Bernard Cribbins was wheelchair bound when he did his
>> cameo for the upcoming specials - and Britain’s most used wheelchair bind
>> actor Ruth Madeley is also guesting soon - so yeah. Guest stars on the side
>> of “right”in wheelchairs are coming.
>>
>
>So what does the woke retard of a show runner RTD want to do? Scare
>children? I seem to remember reading about him issuing some sort of
>warning regarding that earlier?
>
>Since he thinks that depicting someone in a wheelchair means that they
>mast be evil is he foreshadowing something? Didn't this retard create
>John Lumic and make him the creator of the Cybermen? Aren't the Cybermen
>supposed to represent disabled people anyway? Like all disabled people
>since all their body parts have been replaced. I seem to remember
>reading that actual disabled people such as Ian Levine were condemning
>this woke retard for claiming that one disability represents all
>disabilities when it clearly doesn't. How are people who are deaf
>supposed to be represented by wheelchair users? How are people that need
>kidney dialysis or with heart conditions supposed to be represented by
>someone in a wheelchair. Well, technically they used to be by Davros
>because his chair also contained a life support system, but not any
>more. It's no wonder the retarded woke bigot is being universally
>condemned for attempting to represent people who never asked him to
>represent them.
>
>> Liz Carr - who after decades in Silent Witness has recently been seen in
>> The Witcher, Good Omens and Loki - is a shoo in to appear soon too, I
>> betcha.
>
>So Doctor Who is being turned into a freak show then. Roll up, roll up,
>come in to see the bearded lady. Is she a lady? No, she was born a man.
>But you could not tell before I told you, or can you? Roll up, roll up,
>the show is about to begin.
>
>>
>> I’m not sure a disabled Doctor works given regeneration, but we’ll see one
>> day no doubt. RTD has already written one into the side-canon (in the
>> novelisation he did for the episode “Rose”) as being one of the Doctors on
>> Clive’s wallboard.
>>
>
>It's back to the retarded one-disability-fits-all bigoted mentality
>again isn't it?
>
>How is a Doctor in a wheelchair supposed to climb stairs?
>Wasn't that already a big problem with Davros?
>

Good points!!

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>
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>stands for." -William Shatner
>

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In article <ujl28d$1bn3g$4@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>On 22/11/2023 13:13, The Last Doctor wrote:
>> John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <ujj9bs$10h5o$1@dont-email.me>, Your Name
>>> <YourName@YourISP.com> writes
>>>> On 2023-11-21 19:38:43 +0000, Tim Merrigan said:
>>>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 16:30:07 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca
>>>>> (The Doctor) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-davros-change-disabled
>>>>>> -fans-comment/
>>>>> Okay, they've introduced an able bodied Davros, now they need to
>>>>> introduce some disabled heroes.
>>>>
>>>> That article was obviously written by someone with zero understanding
>>>> of Doctor Who and is simply "Politically Correct" bandwagon-jumping /
>>>> whining. :-(
>>>>
>>>> The short "minisode" took place at the creation of the first Dalek ...
>>>> so could easily be before Davos was badly injured and had to start
>>>> using the wheelchair.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'd have thought that his own wheelchair was likely to be his
>>> inspiration for the Dalek design, but I suppose it could have been the
>>> other way around.
>>
>> That’s not the point - in the latest set of timelines, there will be no
>> injury, no Dalek-based chair. Russell T Davies was very clear on this in
>> the “Unleashed” mini documentary that accompanied the minisode:
>>
>> ‘We had long conversations about bringing Davros back, because he’s a
>> fantastic character. Time and society and culture and taste have moved on,
>> and there’s a problem with the old Davros: he’s a wheelchair user who is
>> evil. I had problems with that. A lot of us on the production team did too,
>> associating disability with evil. Trust me, there’s a very long tradition
>> of this.
>>
>> ‘I’m not blaming people in the past at all, but the world changes.
>And when
>> the world changes, Doctor Who has to change as well. So we made the choice
>> to bring back Davros without the facial scarring and without the wheelchair
>> – or his support unit, which functions as a wheelchair.
>>
>> ‘I say, this is how we see Davros now. This is what he looks like. This is
>> 2023. This is our lens. This is our eye. Things used to be black and white;
>> they’re not anymore. Davros used to look like that, and now he looks like
>> this. We are absolutely standing by that.’
>>
>> This change to Davros is indeed due to a woke rethinking of the role. Past
>> iterations remain, but this Davros - the one we’re likely to see again - is
>> from a different continuity, and whatever we think of that, it is what it
>
>Where did RTD say it was from a different continuity?
>
>When are you woke retards going to remember that Capaldi met Davros when
>he was a boy walking though a mine field with his legs intact and no
>scaring or mutations.
>
>> is. And this also demonstrates the sort of thinking that the show’s
>> creatives are likely to continue to bring to the show (given that there are
>
>Retarded thinking by degenerate patronizing woke hypocrites and bigots
>who no body asked for them to be represented by.
>
>> five specials and an 8 episode season in the can already and production is
>> underway on the 2025 season), so we can either learn to live with it and
>> accept the show for what it now is, or move on.
>>
>
>Doctor Who ended in 2017. Other people will continue it from where it
>ended. RTD isn't making anything for the viewers, and neither was
>Chibnall. They're only making stuff for their own woke degenerate egos.
>

Will Aldred be wrong?

>
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>
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>stands for." -William Shatner
>

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In article <ks6hb8Fgo8uU1@mid.individual.net>,
Stephan Seitz <stse+usenet@rootsland.net> wrote:
>In uk.media.tv.sf.drwho Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> Was it Doctor 5 or 6 that fell off a Radio Telescope Antenna and then
>> re-generated??
>
>It was Number 4.
>

Fixed

>> Could we have had a Wheelchair enabled Doctor there for a while before
>> he regenerated into a fit, healthy, Doctor??
>
>But what will you do with him (or a companion in a wheelchair)? I
>don't even know if the Tardis doors would be big enough.
>
>You can't have episodes in the human past because the people wouldn't
>know what do to with a wheelchair and most places wouldn't be
>reachable with a wheelchair.
>
>You can't have big action szenes. Think about the running around.
>
>That's why Charles Xavier is a very boring character. He can only give
>orders but the "work" has to be done by others.
>
>And to hell with Davros. He is the only Who villain in a wheelchair.
>And he is a war survivor which explains the possible need for a
>wheelchair.
>
>But I don't care anymore for new Dr. Who. I will look for restored
>missing episodes from the old Who, but the new Who is dead for me.
>

Capaldi took a long time toe regenerate back to
David Tennant for me!

> Stephan
>
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On 11/22/2023 5:13 AM, The Last Doctor wrote:
>
> This change to Davros is indeed due to a woke rethinking of the role. Past
> iterations remain, but this Davros - the one we’re likely to see again - is
> from a different continuity, and whatever we think of that, it is what it
> is. And this also demonstrates the sort of thinking that the show’s
> creatives are likely to continue to bring to the show (given that there are
> five specials and an 8 episode season in the can already and production is
> underway on the 2025 season), so we can either learn to live with it and
> accept the show for what it now is, or move on.
>
Well, personally I don't have a choice about moving on since this isn't
going to be shown in a venue I can access.

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On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 14:12:28 +0000, The True Doctor
<agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:

>Retarded thinking by degenerate patronizing woke hypocrites and bigots
>who no body asked for them to be represented by.

Make up your mind, is it "woke" or bigoted? (What people appear to
object to most about "woke" is that it's not bigoted.)

>
>> five specials and an 8 episode season in the can already and production is
>> underway on the 2025 season), so we can either learn to live with it and
>> accept the show for what it now is, or move on.
>>
>
>Doctor Who ended in 2017. Other people will continue it from where it
>ended. RTD isn't making anything for the viewers, and neither was
>Chibnall. They're only making stuff for their own woke degenerate egos.

Thus speaketh the fanatic who thinks canon should follow his fanfics.
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