On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 02:00:13 -0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch"
<kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

>Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
>> Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>>> They are claiming they will continue to maintain the historical
>>> archive and keep it searchable and readable, at least by those
>>> with Google accounts.
>
>> But it isn't searchable and readable and has not been for more than
>> a decade now. The incices are badly broken and it is impossible
>> to find many earlier articles which could previously be found with
>> simple searches. They are in there and if you know the message-id
>> you might be able to retrieve them, but just knowing the author and
>> content is not enough to find them.
>
>Thanks. I knew there were problems 12 years ago when I was searching
>for all posts by Dan Hoey to make a memorial website for him. But I
>figured they must have long since fixed their problems, since they're
>a very successful high tech company with high-status technical
>employees, and since search is their main line of business. I wasn't
>able to check for myself since the whole of Google Groups had
>retreated behind the Google-login event horizon.
>
>If they're unwilling to maintain it, they should make full copies
>available to anyone who wants one.

The Usenet search started deteriorating the moment Google Groups took
over control of DejaNews, and has only gotten worse since.
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In article <1cieoi5thnontncgaap1ho9ediilmfgehg@4ax.com>,
Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 02:00:13 -0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch"
><kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>
>>Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
>>> Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>>>> They are claiming they will continue to maintain the historical
>>>> archive and keep it searchable and readable, at least by those
>>>> with Google accounts.
>>
>>> But it isn't searchable and readable and has not been for more than
>>> a decade now. The incices are badly broken and it is impossible
>>> to find many earlier articles which could previously be found with
>>> simple searches. They are in there and if you know the message-id
>>> you might be able to retrieve them, but just knowing the author and
>>> content is not enough to find them.
>>
>>Thanks. I knew there were problems 12 years ago when I was searching
>>for all posts by Dan Hoey to make a memorial website for him. But I
>>figured they must have long since fixed their problems, since they're
>>a very successful high tech company with high-status technical
>>employees, and since search is their main line of business. I wasn't
>>able to check for myself since the whole of Google Groups had
>>retreated behind the Google-login event horizon.
>>
>>If they're unwilling to maintain it, they should make full copies
>>available to anyone who wants one.
>
>The Usenet search started deteriorating the moment Google Groups took
>over control of DejaNews, and has only gotten worse since.

And GG troll control is absent!

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On 12/14/2023 8:49 PM, Jay E. Morris wrote:
> Basically, not worth maintaining.
>
> https://support.google.com/groups/answer/11036538?visit_id=638381921477344227-87081626&p=usenet&rd=1
>
> Starting on February 22, 2024, you can no longer use Google Groups (at
> groups.google.com) to post content to Usenet groups, subscribe to Usenet
> groups, or view new Usenet content. You can continue to view and search
> for historical Usenet content posted before February 22, 2024 on Google
> Groups.
>
> In addition, Google’s Network News Transfer Protocol (NNTP) server and
> associated peering will no longer be available, meaning Google will not
> support serving new Usenet content or exchanging content with other NNTP
> servers.
>
> This change will not impact any non-Usenet content on Google Groups,
> including all user and organization-created groups. Most of the current
> Google Groups content  is not Usenet content and will not be affected.

Saw this in another group last week, for what its worth.

https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/30/usenet_revival/

In article <cKljN.19429$taff.16605@fx41.iad>,
Judith Latham <judithlatham@gmx.com> wrote:
>On 12/14/2023 8:49 PM, Jay E. Morris wrote:
>> Basically, not worth maintaining.
>>
>>
>https://support.google.com/groups/answer/11036538?visit_id=638381921477344227-87081626&p=usenet&rd=1
>>
>> Starting on February 22, 2024, you can no longer use Google Groups (at
>> groups.google.com) to post content to Usenet groups, subscribe to Usenet
>> groups, or view new Usenet content. You can continue to view and search
>> for historical Usenet content posted before February 22, 2024 on Google
>> Groups.
>>
>> In addition, Google’s Network News Transfer Protocol (NNTP) server and
>> associated peering will no longer be available, meaning Google will not
>> support serving new Usenet content or exchanging content with other NNTP
>> servers.
>>
>> This change will not impact any non-Usenet content on Google Groups,
>> including all user and organization-created groups. Most of the current
>> Google Groups content  is not Usenet content and will not be affected.
>
>Saw this in another group last week, for what its worth.
>
>https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/30/usenet_revival/

Google out! REvival in!
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On 12/22/2023 9:00 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
> Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
>> Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>>> They are claiming they will continue to maintain the historical
>>> archive and keep it searchable and readable, at least by those
>>> with Google accounts.

[snip]

Just alerting those who are used to seeing me post via GG that I have
migrated to E-S/Thunderbird. Forgive me if I screw up while learning
new skills.

_Constructive_ criticism is welcome.

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In article <uslh91$37l27$1@dont-email.me>, Kevrob <kjrobinson@mail.com> wrote:
>On 12/22/2023 9:00 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
>> Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
>>> Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>>>> They are claiming they will continue to maintain the historical
>>>> archive and keep it searchable and readable, at least by those
>>>> with Google accounts.
>
>[snip]
>
>Just alerting those who are used to seeing me post via GG that I have
>migrated to E-S/Thunderbird. Forgive me if I screw up while learning
>new skills.

Other than a couple lines in the header that people seldom look at, nothing
is different. It's all the same from our end.
--scott

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Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
> Kevrob <kjrobinson@mail.com> wrote:
>> ...

> Other than a couple lines in the header that people seldom look at,
> nothing is different. It's all the same from our end.

His From: address is different. (I've added it to my email whitelist.)
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