On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 10:08:06 AM UTC-7, Curtis Eagal wrote:
> On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 11:31:47 AM UTC-7, Famous Amos wrote:
> > On Friday, April 21, 2023 at 2:43:19 PM UTC-4, Curtis Eagal wrote:
> > > On Friday, April 21, 2023 at 9:35:01 AM UTC-7, Famous Amos wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 3:29:25 PM UTC-4, Curtis Eagal wrote:
> > > > > Bob Eubanks recently recalled how manager Brian Epstein limited the famous group's earning potential by insisting the maximum price for a ticket to a Beatles' concert would be seven dollars. Also there was nothing else for fans to purchase, since attempts to relitigate an unfavorable merchandising deal ruined the production-distribution chain, and the band members were sickened to learn how much income they had lost by that source.
> > > > >
> > > > > There was a harrowing incident when they toured Manila: a public relations nightmare ensued when they were cast as national villains for not attending a state function televised live; the group conferring decided Epstein was ultimately responsible for the scheduling debacle and ensuing ordeal, in a collective terse expletive.
> > > > >
> > > > > *
> > > > >
> > > > > Tornadoes Of 24 March Attributable To Bologna (IX.13)
> > > > >
> > > > > From 4 March 2023:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.prophecies.nostradamus/c/w360JNUDgjU/m/bSo9J79wAQAJ
> > > > >
> > > > > << Two of Modena truculent for Bologna,
> > > > > Set discovered through the fire of Buzancais
> > > > >
> > > > > The interpretation should be focused on hagiology, rather than geography, since timing is thusly frequently obscured.
> > > > >
> > > > > Buzancais was known for a food riot in 1847, with half-starved peasants intercepting grain carts, ultimately suppressed by three rioters being guillotined, after a local elite retaliating with gunfire being beaten to death by the mob caused the remainder to cower. Instead the date of 9 January is inferred via feast for Saint Honorius of Buzancais (d. 1250), a cattle merchant who financially assisted young girls, but was ultimately killed by thieves he had reprimanded.
> > > > >
> > > > > January Ninth 2023 was the day about 1200 insurrectionists were arrested in Brasilia, however the fire in IX.13 may have been supplied by an X1.9-class solar flare from an active sunspot (AR3184) facing Earth that day, causing radio blackouts for parts of South America; the same sunspot was responsible for an X1.2-class solar flare 5 January 2023 (day of the funeral for Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI) - an X2 solar flare is four times more powerful than an M5 flare.
> > > > >
> > > > > Line 3 employs a subtle trick for the 'Two of Modena': the town's patron is Saint Geminiano (312-397), whose name suggests the Gemini twins; although the citizens of Modena overwhelmingly wanted Geminiano for their bishop, he felt unworthy and fled - he had to be found and persuaded. Renowned as an exorcist, Geminiano performed this service successfully for the daughter of Emperor Jovian. In Modena on his 31 January feast there is a special Mass, and his crypt is opened to public view. When Attila the Hun threatened to invade Modena in 452, Geminiano was invoked for protection, and a thick fog conveniently blanketed the city so it was safely bypassed. January 31 2023 was the gap-day between the Three Holy Hierarchs including Basil the Great of 30 January (V.83, VI.78), and the predominantly German thunderstorm with two tornadoes on 1 February 2023. Thus the harsh (or truculent) storm razing a pine forest in northern Germany was indicated as precursor for a later event associated with a Bologna date. >>
> > > > >
> > > > > Tornadoes in the southern US on 24 March 2023 have caused about two dozen fatalities; hagiological research had been done designating Saint John del Bastone with a 24 March feast and association with Bologna for the IX.13 allusion.
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/25/weather/us-severe-storms-saturday/index.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Two episodes of cyclonic activity derived as dual subjects, in different places at different times, makes the fulfillment dramatic.
> > > > >
> > > > > https://tech.hindustantimes.com/tech/news/sun-hurls-out-cme-towards-earth-g1-class-geomagnetic-storm-to-hit-soonuntitled-story-71679283288194.html
> > > > >
> > > > > The open-ended astrological hints for the cataclysmic onset in Geneva appear to coalesce for late March 2023; the Saturnin reign and cycles from I.54 line 2 have transpired, and the hagiology cannot be easily re-evaluated, but several quatrains have presented recent fulfillments suggesting imminent inevitability.
> > > > >
> > > > > There are two close sustained trines that could be used for transforming into a Grand Trine with the Vertex (V.18): Ceres with Pluto, leading to the 9:40 pm CEST general time daily, without much potential for the proper dynamics; and Saturn with Mars, which could provide the Sword element for IX.44, after the 22 February 2023 10:47 am CET Saturnin Grand Trine with solar proximity for the Golden factor.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Saturn-Mars-Vertex Grand Trine for Geneva recurs daily in late March 2023 at a time that also brings Venus into conjunction with the East Point. The Cupbearer falsifies as VI.89 says, until the Chalice is tried with the activating conditions.
> > > > >
> > > > > From V.66 the time after the 21 March 2023 New Moon was indicated, implying a limit at the Half Moon 29 March 4:31 am CEST.
> > > > >
> > > > > A pivotal aspect is Mercury conjoining Jupiter as the striking of the High-Born from II.92 28 March 2023 8:42 am CEST - this provides a rival conjunction diminishing the established claim Venus has on the recurring Grand Trine.
> > > > >
> > > > > Looking back, the prior lunar conjunct was with Ouranos 25 March 2023 12:51 am CET, as VI.70 expresses the noise and light surpassing the Heavens, occurring before the next celestial body is reached.
> > > > >
> > > > > And the prior lunar aspect was a square with Neptune 28 March 2023 3:39 am CEST, for the perplexity between Corinth and Ephesus in III.3.
> > > > >
> > > > > The spot occupied by the rapidly-shifting Vertex to form the Grand Trine with Saturn and Mars is about two degrees into Scorpio, fulfilling the final line of V.42 by suggesting a point 'under the Balance,' or beneath the Libran constellation, bringing the Grand Trine together as combined points.
> > > > >
> > > > > For 28 March 2023 using Geneva coordinates and CEST:
> > > > >
> > > > > 3:39 am - Neptune lunar square (III.3);
> > > > >
> > > > > 8:42 am - Mercury-Jupiter conjunct, Jupiter as High-Born of II.92;
> > > > >
> > > > > 10:00 am - Saturnin Grand Trine with Mars and the Vertex - Venus debased at the East Point, upstaged by the Mercury-Jupiter conjunction, critical time -
> > > > >
> > > > > << 28 March 2023 10 am CEST / 4 am EDT / 1 am PDT >>;
> > > > >
> > > > > 10:02 am - Ceres lunar square (ends III.3 condition);
> > > > >
> > > > > 3:19 pm - Mars lunar conjunct - 'The New Mars for vengeance and remorse' (I.94);
> > > > >
> > > > > Mercury proceeds to make its next planetary conjunction with Vesta 30 March 2023 4:03 pm CEST, corresponding with the X.6 line -
> > > > >
> > > > > 'Vesta - sepulchral extinguishing fire to appear'
> > > > >
> > > > > For the Lady honored through force of terror in I.94, there is Blessed Agnes of Chatillon with feast on 28 March, and an additional memorial on 29 March in the Cisterian order; Agnes served as sub-prioress in the monastery of Beaupre, Belgium, circa 1200. She was a visionary with a particular devotion to the Eucharist, falling into ecstasy frequently after partaking Communion. The extension into the adjacent day with the extra memorial could be what is inferred from the 'New Mars' lunar conjunct date of 28 March 2023.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Saturn trine with Mars that is foundational for the Chalice officially occurs 30 March 2023 8:15 pm CEST, a date with plausibly relevant hagiology.
> > > > >
> > > > > Saint Secundus of Asti has the 30 March feast, a Roman soldier of the Patrician class, baptized as a Christian in Milan; when it was discovered he gave a Christian burial to a martyr he fled to Asti, but was ultimately found, tortured and beheaded circa 119. Milan is in the Lombard region for V.42 and VI.16.
> > > > >
> > > > > The first bishop of Civitas Silvanectium in Gaul was Saint Regulus (died 260), also having a 30 March feast (Gaul to tremble in X.58).
> > > > >
> > > > > Another memorial on 30 March is for a group of martyrs in Greece circa 300 with Saint Domninus and others, including one named Victor (VI.70).
> > > > The only "STRAw'S" that rilly Matta are....George Santos...Margree Tayla Green ...George Samtos...Roger Stone...Paul Manafart... the QAnon Shamin....
> > > >
> > > > And..
> > > >
> > > > The biggest Straw of all time's...even got his own Tradin Cod's ...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Donald Trump! Forma Current and fyootcha President of the USA.
> > > Deaths in a group as a pattern is sometimes noted as occurring in threes: such a situation occurred at the end of WWII, with FDR, Hitler and Mussolini all dying closely together in April 1945 - Hitler as Second Antichrist was foreseen in his subterranean bunker [WWII scenario in Book 1], and the demise of Mussolini is also featured.
> > >
> > > That passage implied the three could be immediately reincarnated with a shared destiny factor: notice three former US presidents were born in 1946, in the consecutive months of June, July and August.
> > >
> > > The May 2000 Taurean planetary alignment was an omen of ill-fated power, coinciding with a storm where hailstones larger than eggs fell for the Chicago area, where the George W Bush tax cut plan would be later presented as a stimulus.
> > >
> > > The Columbia shuttle disaster appearing like a comet running in the daylight sky, with a hundred dead from the Great White pyrotechnic tragedy, became portents of the Second Iraq War.
> > >
> > > Some states have become not experiments in democracy, but authoritarianism, and culture war politics is a reflection of failing to comprehend morality through scripture, where infernal atrocity has insinuated itself as essential, along with the genuine cryptic truths that require enlightenment to possess any meaning whatsoever.
> > >
> > > The Higher Powers are capable of conducting the Test towards a separation Soul Harvest where objective morality is the criteria for Judgment, which Jesus Christ only alluded to as being beyond the thinking of the ancient day, giving the nebulous advice to 'Watch.'
> > >
> > > A quatrain recognizably about the JFK assassination starts with 'Ancient work being accomplished,' for the coinciding release date of the second album, where Lennon said they nearly vocally double-tracked themselves off the record, even when produced in twin-track mono, for audio vocal texture towards the Remembrance of a visiting Spectral Risen Christ. In another JFK mention the Jeane Dixon prediction was noted, and a comparison made with the RFK assassination era, when students allied with workers resulted in massive strikes at named locations.
> > >
> > > The Dominion case has revealed how news agencies might be tailoring their presentation to what their audience wants to believe, treating their service as entertainment for a faction of society rather than factual reports. Elected officials are also redefining their roles to seize more power, with gerrymandered redistricting undermining the representation concept. Whether the top court will adhere to ethical standards is dubious, and judicial activism is in the eye of the beholder. One day the Capitol rioters are dismissed as Antifa, the next day they are being glorified as party patriots.. Like concern over inflation transformed into the projection of weaponization of government, the bait-&-switch has become a reliable reality.
> > Speakin of DEATH soon Bidens gonna die. Camelot Harris won't be Prez cause she's from another planet. SO the damage libs gonna try to permote Nancy Pelosy with Elizabeth Warren as veep.
> >
> > But don't worry buddies....TRUMPS REINSTmint will happen. any day now!!!
> The 8 April 2024 total solar eclipse has the Sun and Moon united with Chiron, in an alignment of otherwise major planets: those features suggest the metaphorical 'Rod of Iron' through which the Second Coming Messiah will reign at the Seventh Trumpet. Beyond that a Mars-Jupiter aspect is set for the Chastisement, as a punishing solar coronal mass ejection.
>
> The most wicked regime is allowed to reign for a brief period, to complete the number of martyrs through the fatalistic edict: it is odious to celebrate being the people who would facilitate that. Self-absolution and self-exemption from prophecy is a delusional path, there is no opting-out from Judgment.
>
> In a few sentences from his Epistle, Nostradamus described the US economic crisis of 2008 during two wars, including a second Mesopotamian exigency, and how his third Antichrist Saddam Hussein would be hanged, even including in the quatrain version a concurrent salmonella outbreak. The exposure of the scandalous prisoner abuse was also foreseen as coinciding with an astronomical event.
>
> The omniscient knowledge of the Higher Powers proceeds from an intrinsic, immutable morality, by whose standard none are worthy outside whatever protection Christ can manifest. The esoteric truths are elusive ("Few there are who find it") and therefore only acquired by a unique process - "The Harvest is great, yet the Laborers are few," "One Sows, the Other Reaps."
>
> Society believing its own devised pursuits supervene whatever prophecy has to offer suggests the mindset of vanity precluding salvation. It is not as if some people can learn and propagate education in the normal fashion: the requisite truths are so strange they strain credulity, rendering fulfillment of the 'As in the days of Noah' comparison by Jesus. The End-Times society would be fated to generally disbelieve their critical esoteric truths, which 'no one can resist or gainsay,' just as the people of Noah's time scoffed at the notion of an impending Deluge.
>
> Sardon Nemaus si haut deborderont
> Qu'on cuidera Deucalion renaitre
> Dans le colosse la plus part fuiront
> Vesta sepulcre feu eteint apparaitre
>
> The Gardon will flood Nimes to such a high degree
> That one will believe Deucalion was reincarnated;
> From the Colossus the majority will flee,
> Vesta sepulchral fire would make them incinerated
>
> The clues always correspond with something actual, and timeframe can usually be roughly inferred. I knew something would affect a parliament on a feast for a saint named Felix before the London train bombing, which happened on Ringo Starr's 7 July birthdate with Felix of Nantes. I projected an explosive event around a Mercury solar transit at the feast of a saint of Tours, however it occurred later with the Beirut stockpile explosion on the day for Saint Euphronius of Tours.
>
> The Husk of III.75 was determined to be Ceres long before the 11 January 2020 convergence with Saturn, Pluto, Sun and Mercury as portents of the pandemic; the March 2020 lockdowns were anticipated a different way, counting 73 years 7 months from Truman signing the AEC into being. The George Floyd Memorial Day police murder had its date pre-derived as stirring the ire of Hannibal, from the feast of Leo of Troyes. The Ukrainian invasion date was surmised many years prior using I.16's hint about Saturn midway through Aquarius having a lunar sextile aspect with Sagittarius.
>
> Once the 25 October 2022 solar eclipse failed to produce what I.52 line 3 projected, the 20 April 2023 subsequent solar eclipse should been the focus, with the Venusian lunar conjunct bringing the relevant Grand Trines involving the Vertex. However the list of intervening relevant events has been extensive, including the Griner-Bout prisoner exchange, Nepal plane crash into Seti Gorge, massively lethal sibling quakes at the Turkey-Syria border, and so on. My posts on apn are archived where the Park Slope NYC neighborhood solution for II.65 was outlined, many months before the collapse of the parking garage.

On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:50:39 AM UTC-7, Curtis Eagal wrote:
> On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 10:08:06 AM UTC-7, Curtis Eagal wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 11:31:47 AM UTC-7, Famous Amos wrote:
> > > On Friday, April 21, 2023 at 2:43:19 PM UTC-4, Curtis Eagal wrote:
> > > > On Friday, April 21, 2023 at 9:35:01 AM UTC-7, Famous Amos wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 3:29:25 PM UTC-4, Curtis Eagal wrote:
> > > > > > Bob Eubanks recently recalled how manager Brian Epstein limited the famous group's earning potential by insisting the maximum price for a ticket to a Beatles' concert would be seven dollars. Also there was nothing else for fans to purchase, since attempts to relitigate an unfavorable merchandising deal ruined the production-distribution chain, and the band members were sickened to learn how much income they had lost by that source.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There was a harrowing incident when they toured Manila: a public relations nightmare ensued when they were cast as national villains for not attending a state function televised live; the group conferring decided Epstein was ultimately responsible for the scheduling debacle and ensuing ordeal, in a collective terse expletive.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tornadoes Of 24 March Attributable To Bologna (IX.13)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From 4 March 2023:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.prophecies.nostradamus/c/w360JNUDgjU/m/bSo9J79wAQAJ
> > > > > >
> > > > > > << Two of Modena truculent for Bologna,
> > > > > > Set discovered through the fire of Buzancais
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The interpretation should be focused on hagiology, rather than geography, since timing is thusly frequently obscured.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Buzancais was known for a food riot in 1847, with half-starved peasants intercepting grain carts, ultimately suppressed by three rioters being guillotined, after a local elite retaliating with gunfire being beaten to death by the mob caused the remainder to cower. Instead the date of 9 January is inferred via feast for Saint Honorius of Buzancais (d. 1250), a cattle merchant who financially assisted young girls, but was ultimately killed by thieves he had reprimanded.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > January Ninth 2023 was the day about 1200 insurrectionists were arrested in Brasilia, however the fire in IX.13 may have been supplied by an X1.9-class solar flare from an active sunspot (AR3184) facing Earth that day, causing radio blackouts for parts of South America; the same sunspot was responsible for an X1.2-class solar flare 5 January 2023 (day of the funeral for Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI) - an X2 solar flare is four times more powerful than an M5 flare.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Line 3 employs a subtle trick for the 'Two of Modena': the town's patron is Saint Geminiano (312-397), whose name suggests the Gemini twins; although the citizens of Modena overwhelmingly wanted Geminiano for their bishop, he felt unworthy and fled - he had to be found and persuaded. Renowned as an exorcist, Geminiano performed this service successfully for the daughter of Emperor Jovian. In Modena on his 31 January feast there is a special Mass, and his crypt is opened to public view. When Attila the Hun threatened to invade Modena in 452, Geminiano was invoked for protection, and a thick fog conveniently blanketed the city so it was safely bypassed. January 31 2023 was the gap-day between the Three Holy Hierarchs including Basil the Great of 30 January (V.83, VI.78), and the predominantly German thunderstorm with two tornadoes on 1 February 2023. Thus the harsh (or truculent) storm razing a pine forest in northern Germany was indicated as precursor for a later event associated with a Bologna date. >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tornadoes in the southern US on 24 March 2023 have caused about two dozen fatalities; hagiological research had been done designating Saint John del Bastone with a 24 March feast and association with Bologna for the IX.13 allusion.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/25/weather/us-severe-storms-saturday/index.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Two episodes of cyclonic activity derived as dual subjects, in different places at different times, makes the fulfillment dramatic.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://tech.hindustantimes.com/tech/news/sun-hurls-out-cme-towards-earth-g1-class-geomagnetic-storm-to-hit-soonuntitled-story-71679283288194.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The open-ended astrological hints for the cataclysmic onset in Geneva appear to coalesce for late March 2023; the Saturnin reign and cycles from I.54 line 2 have transpired, and the hagiology cannot be easily re-evaluated, but several quatrains have presented recent fulfillments suggesting imminent inevitability.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are two close sustained trines that could be used for transforming into a Grand Trine with the Vertex (V.18): Ceres with Pluto, leading to the 9:40 pm CEST general time daily, without much potential for the proper dynamics; and Saturn with Mars, which could provide the Sword element for IX.44, after the 22 February 2023 10:47 am CET Saturnin Grand Trine with solar proximity for the Golden factor.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Saturn-Mars-Vertex Grand Trine for Geneva recurs daily in late March 2023 at a time that also brings Venus into conjunction with the East Point. The Cupbearer falsifies as VI.89 says, until the Chalice is tried with the activating conditions.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From V.66 the time after the 21 March 2023 New Moon was indicated, implying a limit at the Half Moon 29 March 4:31 am CEST.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A pivotal aspect is Mercury conjoining Jupiter as the striking of the High-Born from II.92 28 March 2023 8:42 am CEST - this provides a rival conjunction diminishing the established claim Venus has on the recurring Grand Trine.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Looking back, the prior lunar conjunct was with Ouranos 25 March 2023 12:51 am CET, as VI.70 expresses the noise and light surpassing the Heavens, occurring before the next celestial body is reached.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And the prior lunar aspect was a square with Neptune 28 March 2023 3:39 am CEST, for the perplexity between Corinth and Ephesus in III.3.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The spot occupied by the rapidly-shifting Vertex to form the Grand Trine with Saturn and Mars is about two degrees into Scorpio, fulfilling the final line of V.42 by suggesting a point 'under the Balance,' or beneath the Libran constellation, bringing the Grand Trine together as combined points.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For 28 March 2023 using Geneva coordinates and CEST:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 3:39 am - Neptune lunar square (III.3);
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 8:42 am - Mercury-Jupiter conjunct, Jupiter as High-Born of II.92;
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 10:00 am - Saturnin Grand Trine with Mars and the Vertex - Venus debased at the East Point, upstaged by the Mercury-Jupiter conjunction, critical time -
> > > > > >
> > > > > > << 28 March 2023 10 am CEST / 4 am EDT / 1 am PDT >>;
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 10:02 am - Ceres lunar square (ends III.3 condition);
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 3:19 pm - Mars lunar conjunct - 'The New Mars for vengeance and remorse' (I.94);
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mercury proceeds to make its next planetary conjunction with Vesta 30 March 2023 4:03 pm CEST, corresponding with the X.6 line -
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 'Vesta - sepulchral extinguishing fire to appear'
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For the Lady honored through force of terror in I.94, there is Blessed Agnes of Chatillon with feast on 28 March, and an additional memorial on 29 March in the Cisterian order; Agnes served as sub-prioress in the monastery of Beaupre, Belgium, circa 1200. She was a visionary with a particular devotion to the Eucharist, falling into ecstasy frequently after partaking Communion. The extension into the adjacent day with the extra memorial could be what is inferred from the 'New Mars' lunar conjunct date of 28 March 2023.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Saturn trine with Mars that is foundational for the Chalice officially occurs 30 March 2023 8:15 pm CEST, a date with plausibly relevant hagiology.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Saint Secundus of Asti has the 30 March feast, a Roman soldier of the Patrician class, baptized as a Christian in Milan; when it was discovered he gave a Christian burial to a martyr he fled to Asti, but was ultimately found, tortured and beheaded circa 119. Milan is in the Lombard region for V.42 and VI.16.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The first bishop of Civitas Silvanectium in Gaul was Saint Regulus (died 260), also having a 30 March feast (Gaul to tremble in X.58).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Another memorial on 30 March is for a group of martyrs in Greece circa 300 with Saint Domninus and others, including one named Victor (VI.70).
> > > > > The only "STRAw'S" that rilly Matta are....George Santos...Margree Tayla Green ...George Samtos...Roger Stone...Paul Manafart... the QAnon Shamin....
> > > > >
> > > > > And..
> > > > >
> > > > > The biggest Straw of all time's...even got his own Tradin Cod's ....
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Donald Trump! Forma Current and fyootcha President of the USA.
> > > > Deaths in a group as a pattern is sometimes noted as occurring in threes: such a situation occurred at the end of WWII, with FDR, Hitler and Mussolini all dying closely together in April 1945 - Hitler as Second Antichrist was foreseen in his subterranean bunker [WWII scenario in Book 1], and the demise of Mussolini is also featured.
> > > >
> > > > That passage implied the three could be immediately reincarnated with a shared destiny factor: notice three former US presidents were born in 1946, in the consecutive months of June, July and August.
> > > >
> > > > The May 2000 Taurean planetary alignment was an omen of ill-fated power, coinciding with a storm where hailstones larger than eggs fell for the Chicago area, where the George W Bush tax cut plan would be later presented as a stimulus.
> > > >
> > > > The Columbia shuttle disaster appearing like a comet running in the daylight sky, with a hundred dead from the Great White pyrotechnic tragedy, became portents of the Second Iraq War.
> > > >
> > > > Some states have become not experiments in democracy, but authoritarianism, and culture war politics is a reflection of failing to comprehend morality through scripture, where infernal atrocity has insinuated itself as essential, along with the genuine cryptic truths that require enlightenment to possess any meaning whatsoever.
> > > >
> > > > The Higher Powers are capable of conducting the Test towards a separation Soul Harvest where objective morality is the criteria for Judgment, which Jesus Christ only alluded to as being beyond the thinking of the ancient day, giving the nebulous advice to 'Watch.'
> > > >
> > > > A quatrain recognizably about the JFK assassination starts with 'Ancient work being accomplished,' for the coinciding release date of the second album, where Lennon said they nearly vocally double-tracked themselves off the record, even when produced in twin-track mono, for audio vocal texture towards the Remembrance of a visiting Spectral Risen Christ. In another JFK mention the Jeane Dixon prediction was noted, and a comparison made with the RFK assassination era, when students allied with workers resulted in massive strikes at named locations.
> > > >
> > > > The Dominion case has revealed how news agencies might be tailoring their presentation to what their audience wants to believe, treating their service as entertainment for a faction of society rather than factual reports. Elected officials are also redefining their roles to seize more power, with gerrymandered redistricting undermining the representation concept. Whether the top court will adhere to ethical standards is dubious, and judicial activism is in the eye of the beholder. One day the Capitol rioters are dismissed as Antifa, the next day they are being glorified as party patriots. Like concern over inflation transformed into the projection of weaponization of government, the bait-&-switch has become a reliable reality.
> > > Speakin of DEATH soon Bidens gonna die. Camelot Harris won't be Prez cause she's from another planet. SO the damage libs gonna try to permote Nancy Pelosy with Elizabeth Warren as veep.
> > >
> > > But don't worry buddies....TRUMPS REINSTmint will happen. any day now!!!
> > The 8 April 2024 total solar eclipse has the Sun and Moon united with Chiron, in an alignment of otherwise major planets: those features suggest the metaphorical 'Rod of Iron' through which the Second Coming Messiah will reign at the Seventh Trumpet. Beyond that a Mars-Jupiter aspect is set for the Chastisement, as a punishing solar coronal mass ejection.
> >
> > The most wicked regime is allowed to reign for a brief period, to complete the number of martyrs through the fatalistic edict: it is odious to celebrate being the people who would facilitate that. Self-absolution and self-exemption from prophecy is a delusional path, there is no opting-out from Judgment.
> >
> > In a few sentences from his Epistle, Nostradamus described the US economic crisis of 2008 during two wars, including a second Mesopotamian exigency, and how his third Antichrist Saddam Hussein would be hanged, even including in the quatrain version a concurrent salmonella outbreak. The exposure of the scandalous prisoner abuse was also foreseen as coinciding with an astronomical event.
> >
> > The omniscient knowledge of the Higher Powers proceeds from an intrinsic, immutable morality, by whose standard none are worthy outside whatever protection Christ can manifest. The esoteric truths are elusive ("Few there are who find it") and therefore only acquired by a unique process - "The Harvest is great, yet the Laborers are few," "One Sows, the Other Reaps."
> >
> > Society believing its own devised pursuits supervene whatever prophecy has to offer suggests the mindset of vanity precluding salvation. It is not as if some people can learn and propagate education in the normal fashion: the requisite truths are so strange they strain credulity, rendering fulfillment of the 'As in the days of Noah' comparison by Jesus. The End-Times society would be fated to generally disbelieve their critical esoteric truths, which 'no one can resist or gainsay,' just as the people of Noah's time scoffed at the notion of an impending Deluge.
> >
> > Sardon Nemaus si haut deborderont
> > Qu'on cuidera Deucalion renaitre
> > Dans le colosse la plus part fuiront
> > Vesta sepulcre feu eteint apparaitre
> >
> > The Gardon will flood Nimes to such a high degree
> > That one will believe Deucalion was reincarnated;
> > From the Colossus the majority will flee,
> > Vesta sepulchral fire would make them incinerated
> >
> > The clues always correspond with something actual, and timeframe can usually be roughly inferred. I knew something would affect a parliament on a feast for a saint named Felix before the London train bombing, which happened on Ringo Starr's 7 July birthdate with Felix of Nantes. I projected an explosive event around a Mercury solar transit at the feast of a saint of Tours, however it occurred later with the Beirut stockpile explosion on the day for Saint Euphronius of Tours.
> >
> > The Husk of III.75 was determined to be Ceres long before the 11 January 2020 convergence with Saturn, Pluto, Sun and Mercury as portents of the pandemic; the March 2020 lockdowns were anticipated a different way, counting 73 years 7 months from Truman signing the AEC into being. The George Floyd Memorial Day police murder had its date pre-derived as stirring the ire of Hannibal, from the feast of Leo of Troyes. The Ukrainian invasion date was surmised many years prior using I.16's hint about Saturn midway through Aquarius having a lunar sextile aspect with Sagittarius.
> >
> > Once the 25 October 2022 solar eclipse failed to produce what I.52 line 3 projected, the 20 April 2023 subsequent solar eclipse should been the focus, with the Venusian lunar conjunct bringing the relevant Grand Trines involving the Vertex. However the list of intervening relevant events has been extensive, including the Griner-Bout prisoner exchange, Nepal plane crash into Seti Gorge, massively lethal sibling quakes at the Turkey-Syria border, and so on. My posts on apn are archived where the Park Slope NYC neighborhood solution for II.65 was outlined, many months before the collapse of the parking garage.
> From the observations described below, I must admit the Grand Trine with the Vertex will probably not be timing for the catastrophe: instead, the astrological influences are setting up different associations, like notes harmonizing in a musical score, rearranging along a theme. The retained factors are Saturn and the South Node as base, but the Moon should also be a necessary element, having left its conjunct with Venus, heading towards The New Mars (for vengeance and remorse from I.94) ...
>
> Vertex At South Node In Saturnin-Lunar Grand Trine Facing Solar Vesta,
> While Transiting From Venus To New Mars Conjunct
> [25 April 2023 8:22 am CEST / 2:22 am EDT]
>
> The likely culmination of the cataclysmic ominous warnings surfaced when examining the circumstances of the Lunar Grand Trine involving Saturn and the South Node, whose trine formed a Balanced Grand Trine with Midheaven for Geneva. The addition of the Moon recalls the 2 February 2023 Venusian Lunar Grand Trine with the South Node on the feast of Saint Joan de Lestonnac, with X.17 jumping to the 23 April Venus lunar conjunct coinciding with a Juno-Ceres-Vertex Grand Trine: this indicates the critical period, and hints at a defining parameter, so that the Grand Trine as the true Cup should include the Moon and South Node with Saturn, replacing regretful Venus.
>
> For 25 April 2023 using Geneva coordinates and CEST:
>
> 4:55 am - Vertex conjunct Ceres;
>
> 5:05 am - Cancer Moon trine the South Node in Scorpio (both at 4 degrees 9 minutes respectively) - this puts the Moon officially within the range for the Grand Trine;
>
> 6:39 am - Saturn in Pisces has its lunar trine (both at 4 degrees 57 minutes respectively) - this technically finalizes the esoteric potentiality of the Saturn-Moon-South Node Grand Trine;
>
> 8:22 am - Vertex conjunct the South Node, in opposition to the Vesta solar union at the North Node - this added feature seems to be the triggering aspect if the 'vitrix' of V.18 meant the Vertex, rendering a critical time of
>
> << 25 April 2023 8:22 am CEST / 2:22 am EDT / 24 April 2023 11:22 pm PDT >>
>
> There are other elements of the chart that are intriguing, like synchronized conjunctions for Fortune and the East Point, however the Moon and Vertex augmented Saturnin Grand Trine with the South Node is the major ominous feature. Some of the recent hagiological associations might still apply; the expectation is an explosive outset with hail of unearthed molten metal, followed by some massive flooding, as the karmic legacy of the Capitol riot in I.62. The foretold circumstances aligning also included the 24 April 2023 Neptune lunar square complicated by Pallas lunar adjacency for the perplexity of III.3.
>
> The 18 April 2023 collapse of the parking structure in lower Manhattan appears used in II.65 as a precursor specific to the western land relative to France; Mercury leaving Sagittarius in late 2020 prior to Saturn's conjunction with Jupiter was also accurately inferred.

On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 2:51:43 AM UTC-7, Curtis Eagal wrote:
> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:50:39 AM UTC-7, Curtis Eagal wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 10:08:06 AM UTC-7, Curtis Eagal wrote:
> > > On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 11:31:47 AM UTC-7, Famous Amos wrote:
> > > > On Friday, April 21, 2023 at 2:43:19 PM UTC-4, Curtis Eagal wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, April 21, 2023 at 9:35:01 AM UTC-7, Famous Amos wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 3:29:25 PM UTC-4, Curtis Eagal wrote:
> > > > > > > Bob Eubanks recently recalled how manager Brian Epstein limited the famous group's earning potential by insisting the maximum price for a ticket to a Beatles' concert would be seven dollars. Also there was nothing else for fans to purchase, since attempts to relitigate an unfavorable merchandising deal ruined the production-distribution chain, and the band members were sickened to learn how much income they had lost by that source.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There was a harrowing incident when they toured Manila: a public relations nightmare ensued when they were cast as national villains for not attending a state function televised live; the group conferring decided Epstein was ultimately responsible for the scheduling debacle and ensuing ordeal, in a collective terse expletive.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > *
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tornadoes Of 24 March Attributable To Bologna (IX.13)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > From 4 March 2023:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.prophecies.nostradamus/c/w360JNUDgjU/m/bSo9J79wAQAJ
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > << Two of Modena truculent for Bologna,
> > > > > > > Set discovered through the fire of Buzancais
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The interpretation should be focused on hagiology, rather than geography, since timing is thusly frequently obscured.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Buzancais was known for a food riot in 1847, with half-starved peasants intercepting grain carts, ultimately suppressed by three rioters being guillotined, after a local elite retaliating with gunfire being beaten to death by the mob caused the remainder to cower. Instead the date of 9 January is inferred via feast for Saint Honorius of Buzancais (d. 1250), a cattle merchant who financially assisted young girls, but was ultimately killed by thieves he had reprimanded.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > January Ninth 2023 was the day about 1200 insurrectionists were arrested in Brasilia, however the fire in IX.13 may have been supplied by an X1.9-class solar flare from an active sunspot (AR3184) facing Earth that day, causing radio blackouts for parts of South America; the same sunspot was responsible for an X1.2-class solar flare 5 January 2023 (day of the funeral for Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI) - an X2 solar flare is four times more powerful than an M5 flare.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Line 3 employs a subtle trick for the 'Two of Modena': the town's patron is Saint Geminiano (312-397), whose name suggests the Gemini twins; although the citizens of Modena overwhelmingly wanted Geminiano for their bishop, he felt unworthy and fled - he had to be found and persuaded. Renowned as an exorcist, Geminiano performed this service successfully for the daughter of Emperor Jovian. In Modena on his 31 January feast there is a special Mass, and his crypt is opened to public view. When Attila the Hun threatened to invade Modena in 452, Geminiano was invoked for protection, and a thick fog conveniently blanketed the city so it was safely bypassed. January 31 2023 was the gap-day between the Three Holy Hierarchs including Basil the Great of 30 January (V.83, VI.78), and the predominantly German thunderstorm with two tornadoes on 1 February 2023. Thus the harsh (or truculent) storm razing a pine forest in northern Germany was indicated as precursor for a later event associated with a Bologna date. >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tornadoes in the southern US on 24 March 2023 have caused about two dozen fatalities; hagiological research had been done designating Saint John del Bastone with a 24 March feast and association with Bologna for the IX.13 allusion.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/25/weather/us-severe-storms-saturday/index.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Two episodes of cyclonic activity derived as dual subjects, in different places at different times, makes the fulfillment dramatic.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://tech.hindustantimes.com/tech/news/sun-hurls-out-cme-towards-earth-g1-class-geomagnetic-storm-to-hit-soonuntitled-story-71679283288194.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The open-ended astrological hints for the cataclysmic onset in Geneva appear to coalesce for late March 2023; the Saturnin reign and cycles from I.54 line 2 have transpired, and the hagiology cannot be easily re-evaluated, but several quatrains have presented recent fulfillments suggesting imminent inevitability.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There are two close sustained trines that could be used for transforming into a Grand Trine with the Vertex (V.18): Ceres with Pluto, leading to the 9:40 pm CEST general time daily, without much potential for the proper dynamics; and Saturn with Mars, which could provide the Sword element for IX.44, after the 22 February 2023 10:47 am CET Saturnin Grand Trine with solar proximity for the Golden factor.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Saturn-Mars-Vertex Grand Trine for Geneva recurs daily in late March 2023 at a time that also brings Venus into conjunction with the East Point. The Cupbearer falsifies as VI.89 says, until the Chalice is tried with the activating conditions.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > From V.66 the time after the 21 March 2023 New Moon was indicated, implying a limit at the Half Moon 29 March 4:31 am CEST.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A pivotal aspect is Mercury conjoining Jupiter as the striking of the High-Born from II.92 28 March 2023 8:42 am CEST - this provides a rival conjunction diminishing the established claim Venus has on the recurring Grand Trine.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Looking back, the prior lunar conjunct was with Ouranos 25 March 2023 12:51 am CET, as VI.70 expresses the noise and light surpassing the Heavens, occurring before the next celestial body is reached.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And the prior lunar aspect was a square with Neptune 28 March 2023 3:39 am CEST, for the perplexity between Corinth and Ephesus in III.3..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The spot occupied by the rapidly-shifting Vertex to form the Grand Trine with Saturn and Mars is about two degrees into Scorpio, fulfilling the final line of V.42 by suggesting a point 'under the Balance,' or beneath the Libran constellation, bringing the Grand Trine together as combined points.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For 28 March 2023 using Geneva coordinates and CEST:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 3:39 am - Neptune lunar square (III.3);
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 8:42 am - Mercury-Jupiter conjunct, Jupiter as High-Born of II.92;
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 10:00 am - Saturnin Grand Trine with Mars and the Vertex - Venus debased at the East Point, upstaged by the Mercury-Jupiter conjunction, critical time -
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > << 28 March 2023 10 am CEST / 4 am EDT / 1 am PDT >>;
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 10:02 am - Ceres lunar square (ends III.3 condition);
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 3:19 pm - Mars lunar conjunct - 'The New Mars for vengeance and remorse' (I.94);
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mercury proceeds to make its next planetary conjunction with Vesta 30 March 2023 4:03 pm CEST, corresponding with the X.6 line -
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 'Vesta - sepulchral extinguishing fire to appear'
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For the Lady honored through force of terror in I.94, there is Blessed Agnes of Chatillon with feast on 28 March, and an additional memorial on 29 March in the Cisterian order; Agnes served as sub-prioress in the monastery of Beaupre, Belgium, circa 1200. She was a visionary with a particular devotion to the Eucharist, falling into ecstasy frequently after partaking Communion. The extension into the adjacent day with the extra memorial could be what is inferred from the 'New Mars' lunar conjunct date of 28 March 2023.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Saturn trine with Mars that is foundational for the Chalice officially occurs 30 March 2023 8:15 pm CEST, a date with plausibly relevant hagiology.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Saint Secundus of Asti has the 30 March feast, a Roman soldier of the Patrician class, baptized as a Christian in Milan; when it was discovered he gave a Christian burial to a martyr he fled to Asti, but was ultimately found, tortured and beheaded circa 119. Milan is in the Lombard region for V.42 and VI.16.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The first bishop of Civitas Silvanectium in Gaul was Saint Regulus (died 260), also having a 30 March feast (Gaul to tremble in X.58).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Another memorial on 30 March is for a group of martyrs in Greece circa 300 with Saint Domninus and others, including one named Victor (VI.70).
> > > > > > The only "STRAw'S" that rilly Matta are....George Santos...Margree Tayla Green ...George Samtos...Roger Stone...Paul Manafart... the QAnon Shamin....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The biggest Straw of all time's...even got his own Tradin Cod's ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Donald Trump! Forma Current and fyootcha President of the USA.
> > > > > Deaths in a group as a pattern is sometimes noted as occurring in threes: such a situation occurred at the end of WWII, with FDR, Hitler and Mussolini all dying closely together in April 1945 - Hitler as Second Antichrist was foreseen in his subterranean bunker [WWII scenario in Book 1], and the demise of Mussolini is also featured.
> > > > >
> > > > > That passage implied the three could be immediately reincarnated with a shared destiny factor: notice three former US presidents were born in 1946, in the consecutive months of June, July and August.
> > > > >
> > > > > The May 2000 Taurean planetary alignment was an omen of ill-fated power, coinciding with a storm where hailstones larger than eggs fell for the Chicago area, where the George W Bush tax cut plan would be later presented as a stimulus.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Columbia shuttle disaster appearing like a comet running in the daylight sky, with a hundred dead from the Great White pyrotechnic tragedy, became portents of the Second Iraq War.
> > > > >
> > > > > Some states have become not experiments in democracy, but authoritarianism, and culture war politics is a reflection of failing to comprehend morality through scripture, where infernal atrocity has insinuated itself as essential, along with the genuine cryptic truths that require enlightenment to possess any meaning whatsoever.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Higher Powers are capable of conducting the Test towards a separation Soul Harvest where objective morality is the criteria for Judgment, which Jesus Christ only alluded to as being beyond the thinking of the ancient day, giving the nebulous advice to 'Watch.'
> > > > >
> > > > > A quatrain recognizably about the JFK assassination starts with 'Ancient work being accomplished,' for the coinciding release date of the second album, where Lennon said they nearly vocally double-tracked themselves off the record, even when produced in twin-track mono, for audio vocal texture towards the Remembrance of a visiting Spectral Risen Christ. In another JFK mention the Jeane Dixon prediction was noted, and a comparison made with the RFK assassination era, when students allied with workers resulted in massive strikes at named locations.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Dominion case has revealed how news agencies might be tailoring their presentation to what their audience wants to believe, treating their service as entertainment for a faction of society rather than factual reports. Elected officials are also redefining their roles to seize more power, with gerrymandered redistricting undermining the representation concept. Whether the top court will adhere to ethical standards is dubious, and judicial activism is in the eye of the beholder. One day the Capitol rioters are dismissed as Antifa, the next day they are being glorified as party patriots. Like concern over inflation transformed into the projection of weaponization of government, the bait-&-switch has become a reliable reality.
> > > > Speakin of DEATH soon Bidens gonna die. Camelot Harris won't be Prez cause she's from another planet. SO the damage libs gonna try to permote Nancy Pelosy with Elizabeth Warren as veep.
> > > >
> > > > But don't worry buddies....TRUMPS REINSTmint will happen. any day now!!!
> > > The 8 April 2024 total solar eclipse has the Sun and Moon united with Chiron, in an alignment of otherwise major planets: those features suggest the metaphorical 'Rod of Iron' through which the Second Coming Messiah will reign at the Seventh Trumpet. Beyond that a Mars-Jupiter aspect is set for the Chastisement, as a punishing solar coronal mass ejection.
> > >
> > > The most wicked regime is allowed to reign for a brief period, to complete the number of martyrs through the fatalistic edict: it is odious to celebrate being the people who would facilitate that. Self-absolution and self-exemption from prophecy is a delusional path, there is no opting-out from Judgment.
> > >
> > > In a few sentences from his Epistle, Nostradamus described the US economic crisis of 2008 during two wars, including a second Mesopotamian exigency, and how his third Antichrist Saddam Hussein would be hanged, even including in the quatrain version a concurrent salmonella outbreak. The exposure of the scandalous prisoner abuse was also foreseen as coinciding with an astronomical event.
> > >
> > > The omniscient knowledge of the Higher Powers proceeds from an intrinsic, immutable morality, by whose standard none are worthy outside whatever protection Christ can manifest. The esoteric truths are elusive ("Few there are who find it") and therefore only acquired by a unique process - "The Harvest is great, yet the Laborers are few," "One Sows, the Other Reaps."
> > >
> > > Society believing its own devised pursuits supervene whatever prophecy has to offer suggests the mindset of vanity precluding salvation. It is not as if some people can learn and propagate education in the normal fashion: the requisite truths are so strange they strain credulity, rendering fulfillment of the 'As in the days of Noah' comparison by Jesus. The End-Times society would be fated to generally disbelieve their critical esoteric truths, which 'no one can resist or gainsay,' just as the people of Noah's time scoffed at the notion of an impending Deluge.
> > >
> > > Sardon Nemaus si haut deborderont
> > > Qu'on cuidera Deucalion renaitre
> > > Dans le colosse la plus part fuiront
> > > Vesta sepulcre feu eteint apparaitre
> > >
> > > The Gardon will flood Nimes to such a high degree
> > > That one will believe Deucalion was reincarnated;
> > > From the Colossus the majority will flee,
> > > Vesta sepulchral fire would make them incinerated
> > >
> > > The clues always correspond with something actual, and timeframe can usually be roughly inferred. I knew something would affect a parliament on a feast for a saint named Felix before the London train bombing, which happened on Ringo Starr's 7 July birthdate with Felix of Nantes. I projected an explosive event around a Mercury solar transit at the feast of a saint of Tours, however it occurred later with the Beirut stockpile explosion on the day for Saint Euphronius of Tours.
> > >
> > > The Husk of III.75 was determined to be Ceres long before the 11 January 2020 convergence with Saturn, Pluto, Sun and Mercury as portents of the pandemic; the March 2020 lockdowns were anticipated a different way, counting 73 years 7 months from Truman signing the AEC into being. The George Floyd Memorial Day police murder had its date pre-derived as stirring the ire of Hannibal, from the feast of Leo of Troyes. The Ukrainian invasion date was surmised many years prior using I.16's hint about Saturn midway through Aquarius having a lunar sextile aspect with Sagittarius.
> > >
> > > Once the 25 October 2022 solar eclipse failed to produce what I.52 line 3 projected, the 20 April 2023 subsequent solar eclipse should been the focus, with the Venusian lunar conjunct bringing the relevant Grand Trines involving the Vertex. However the list of intervening relevant events has been extensive, including the Griner-Bout prisoner exchange, Nepal plane crash into Seti Gorge, massively lethal sibling quakes at the Turkey-Syria border, and so on. My posts on apn are archived where the Park Slope NYC neighborhood solution for II.65 was outlined, many months before the collapse of the parking garage.
> > From the observations described below, I must admit the Grand Trine with the Vertex will probably not be timing for the catastrophe: instead, the astrological influences are setting up different associations, like notes harmonizing in a musical score, rearranging along a theme. The retained factors are Saturn and the South Node as base, but the Moon should also be a necessary element, having left its conjunct with Venus, heading towards The New Mars (for vengeance and remorse from I.94) ...
> >
> > Vertex At South Node In Saturnin-Lunar Grand Trine Facing Solar Vesta,
> > While Transiting From Venus To New Mars Conjunct
> > [25 April 2023 8:22 am CEST / 2:22 am EDT]
> >
> > The likely culmination of the cataclysmic ominous warnings surfaced when examining the circumstances of the Lunar Grand Trine involving Saturn and the South Node, whose trine formed a Balanced Grand Trine with Midheaven for Geneva. The addition of the Moon recalls the 2 February 2023 Venusian Lunar Grand Trine with the South Node on the feast of Saint Joan de Lestonnac, with X.17 jumping to the 23 April Venus lunar conjunct coinciding with a Juno-Ceres-Vertex Grand Trine: this indicates the critical period, and hints at a defining parameter, so that the Grand Trine as the true Cup should include the Moon and South Node with Saturn, replacing regretful Venus.
> >
> > For 25 April 2023 using Geneva coordinates and CEST:
> >
> > 4:55 am - Vertex conjunct Ceres;
> >
> > 5:05 am - Cancer Moon trine the South Node in Scorpio (both at 4 degrees 9 minutes respectively) - this puts the Moon officially within the range for the Grand Trine;
> >
> > 6:39 am - Saturn in Pisces has its lunar trine (both at 4 degrees 57 minutes respectively) - this technically finalizes the esoteric potentiality of the Saturn-Moon-South Node Grand Trine;
> >
> > 8:22 am - Vertex conjunct the South Node, in opposition to the Vesta solar union at the North Node - this added feature seems to be the triggering aspect if the 'vitrix' of V.18 meant the Vertex, rendering a critical time of
> >
> > << 25 April 2023 8:22 am CEST / 2:22 am EDT / 24 April 2023 11:22 pm PDT >>
> >
> > There are other elements of the chart that are intriguing, like synchronized conjunctions for Fortune and the East Point, however the Moon and Vertex augmented Saturnin Grand Trine with the South Node is the major ominous feature. Some of the recent hagiological associations might still apply; the expectation is an explosive outset with hail of unearthed molten metal, followed by some massive flooding, as the karmic legacy of the Capitol riot in I.62. The foretold circumstances aligning also included the 24 April 2023 Neptune lunar square complicated by Pallas lunar adjacency for the perplexity of III.3.
> >
> > The 18 April 2023 collapse of the parking structure in lower Manhattan appears used in II.65 as a precursor specific to the western land relative to France; Mercury leaving Sagittarius in late 2020 prior to Saturn's conjunction with Jupiter was also accurately inferred.
> The commonplace view of astrology is that the Sun sign dictates which of twelve personality types a person possesses, and relevant forecasts can be obtained daily on that basis alone. Judicial astrology is very different, finding celestial correspondences that are more specific, often indicating a personal destiny through the natal chart that manifests throughout the course of the life, in tandem with further emerging situations.
>
> The natal chart for Brian Epstein, presuming the 4:30 am local time is correct on 19 September 1934, has the prominent feature of Vesta in square aspect with the Nodes, while the South Node is near conjunct with Lilith. His Sun was in Virgo, an Earth sign; Lilith represents Wind; and Vesta symbolizes Fire. The Moon was on a cusp, only about fourteen minutes of a degree towards entering the Water-bearing sign of Aquarius.
>
> Saturnin Chalice From Golden Solar Aspect As Sword Before New Mars Lunar Influence
> [25 April 2023 10:03 pm CEST / 4:03 pm EDT / 1:03 pm PDT]
>
> The deduced jump of Fortune from Pallas to the opposing Half Moon for Geneva 13 April 2023 could have indicated the 20 April 2023 New Moon eclipse ahead of it, for II.66 progressing into V.66.
>
> The foretold circumstances aligning included the 24 April 2023 Neptune lunar square complicated by Pallas lunar adjacency for the perplexity of III.3.
>
> The 18 April 2023 collapse of the parking structure in lower Manhattan appears used in II.65 ('le parc enclin') as a precursor specific to the western land relative to France, associated with Insubria (i.e., Lombardy) via the 18 April feast for Saint Galdinus (110-1176), a Milan Cardinal; Mercury leaving Sagittarius in late 2020 prior to Saturn's conjunction with Jupiter was also accurately inferred.
>
> While the Saturnin potential for a Grand Trine with South Node seems hinted by V.42, since their forming the base for a Grand Trine with the Midheaven as Apex appears symmetrically Balanced; the addition of the Vertex for the Sacrifice is suggested by the 'vitrix' of V.18.
>
> The second line from IX.44 implies Saturn with Gold becoming transformed into a Sword, so the solar aspect coinciding for the golden element presents yet another potential feature for imminent fulfillment under unique conditions.
>
> Mythical Titan Saturn would be the High-Born figure striking via the Grand Trine in II.92, towards the New Mars lunar conjunct which could be the subject of I.94, portending vengeance and remorse.
>
> The second half of II.51 could have begun its fulfillment 23 April 2023, the day of the Venus lunar conjunct -
>
> La dame antique cherra de place haute
> De meme secte plusieurs seront occis
>
> The ancient lady will fall from her elevated station
> Several from the same sect will be slain
>
> The 23 April date is feast for three saints martyred together, Felix (a priest), Fortunatus and Achilleus (two deacons), sent by the bishop of Lyons to evangelize Valence: they achieved conversions from preaching and miracles, and were arrested; an angel liberated them from prison, and bade them destroy the local idols with hammers - images of Mercury and Saturn, the likeness of Jupiter rendered in amber. Under the Caracalla reign in 212, their legs were broken, they were tortured on wheels, and subjected to noxious fumes, before ultimately being beheaded.
>
> The ancient lady in II.51 should be Venus, falling by conceptual debasement as a primordial presence.
>
> The trembling Gaul of X.58 could indicate 25 April via Saint Phaebadius of Agen (d. 392).
>
> The pairing of widow and virgin from VIII.80 (when innocent bloodshed occurs) appears on 26 April as a dual feast: Saint Aldo, widow and visionary of Siena; and Saint Exuperantia, virgin of Troyes.
>
> The Lady honored through force of terror in I.94 could be the 26 April commemoration for Our Lady of Good Counsel, involving a church painting miraculously appearing in Genezzano, Italy.
>
> << Our Lady of Good Counsel (Latin: Mater boni consilii) is a title given to the Blessed Virgin Mary, after a painting said to be miraculous, now found in the thirteenth century Augustinian church at Genazzano, near Rome, Italy. Measuring 40 to 45 centimetres (16 to 18 in) the image is a fresco executed on a thin layer of plaster no thicker than an egg shell. Over the centuries, devotions to Our Lady of the Good Counsel grew among saints and Popes, to the extent that a reference to it was added to the Litany of Loreto and the devotion spread throughout the world. Her feast day is 26 April...
>
> According to tradition, the story is said to have begun in 1467. By then the church was in dire need of repair. A local widow, Petruccia, was dedicated to the restoration project, but ran out of funds before the task was completed.
>
> In the midst of the festivities for the Feast of Saint Mark, the townfolk suddenly heard "exquisite music." A mysterious cloud was then said to have descended on the unfinished wall of the parish church. In front of the people, the cloud dissipated and a beautiful fresco, no thicker than a carte-de-visite and no more than eighteen inches square, of the Virgin Mary and the Christ Child was revealed. It was widely believed that it had been miraculously transported from a church in Scutari, Albania just prior to its invasion by the Ottomans.
>
> The picture of Our Lady was at first called "La Madonna del Paradiso" and now better known as "Madonna del Buon Consiglio" (Our Lady of Good Counsel) >>
>
> The New Mars lunar conjunct takes place 26 April 2023 5:08 am CEST, so the dates match to fulfill I.94 -
>
> Le nouveau Mars par vindicte et remort
> Dame par force de frayeur honoree
> The New Mars for vengeance and remorse
> Lady by force of terror honored
>
> The fateful invocations of Lombardy in V.42 and VI.16 could be for husband-and-wife early martyrs, possibly fictional Saints Valeria and Vitalis of Milan, sharing the 28 April feast: Valeria gave burials to Christian martyrs, and was beaten with clubs; her husband Vitalis was buried alive for his faith.
>
> The Lunar Grand Trine with Saturn and the South Node not bringing the Chalice activation forces reversion to the Vertex theory - the final line of VI.89 suggests the daily repetition for the Cupbearer recurring until the Chalice is tried, whereas the Moon substituting for the Vertex deviated from that pattern as an isolated incident.
>
> The 25 April 2023 10:03 pm CEST [4:03 pm EDT / 1:03 pm PDT] iteration of the Saturnin Grand Trine with the South Node and Vertex arrives when the Moon is about 3.5 degrees from its Mars conjunct, still within the post-Venusian conjunct lunar interval.
>
> The Saturn solar sextile 25 April 2023 12:24 pm CEST seems required by IX..44, as 'Saturn with Gold' to transform the Saturnin influence into its violent Sword mode.
>
> The Geneva chart thus shows the Saturn-Vertex side of the Grand Trine as a Pediment with the Sun-Vesta-Node grouping as its Crest.
>
> The Saturnin Grand Trine formation at 10:03 pm CEST occurs after Ouranos sets at the Descendant locally for Geneva (9:40 pm CEST), and before Juno falls (10:23 pm CEST); Venus crosses the Ecliptic about eight minutes after midnight, appearing inconsequential. Since Ouranos means The Heavens that descent beneath the horizon may correspond with the 'noise and light surpassing the Heavens' concept from VI.70.
>
> The debasement of Venus from X.28 may derive from cataclysmic onset arriving near the end of the Venusian lunar interval, when the Moon is nearing its New Mars conjunct for I.94. For the King to be newly-joined from I.52, the 20 April 2023 solar eclipse should be recent, probably less than a week transpiring: the post-eclipse lunar intervals for Venus and Mars thus appear to comply with this ominous scheduling.
>
> Since Saturn will be below the Ecliptic at the critical time, and the Vertex and South Node are conceptual points, the V.65 comment that the principals of the affair will be hidden applies; additionally the proximity of Vesta to the Sun is implied by specifying the lady on burning coals no longer being in view.

On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 2:51:43 AM UTC-7, Curtis Eagal wrote:
> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:50:39 AM UTC-7, Curtis Eagal wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 10:08:06 AM UTC-7, Curtis Eagal wrote:
> > > On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 11:31:47 AM UTC-7, Famous Amos wrote:
> > > > On Friday, April 21, 2023 at 2:43:19 PM UTC-4, Curtis Eagal wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, April 21, 2023 at 9:35:01 AM UTC-7, Famous Amos wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 3:29:25 PM UTC-4, Curtis Eagal wrote:
> > > > > > > Bob Eubanks recently recalled how manager Brian Epstein limited the famous group's earning potential by insisting the maximum price for a ticket to a Beatles' concert would be seven dollars. Also there was nothing else for fans to purchase, since attempts to relitigate an unfavorable merchandising deal ruined the production-distribution chain, and the band members were sickened to learn how much income they had lost by that source.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There was a harrowing incident when they toured Manila: a public relations nightmare ensued when they were cast as national villains for not attending a state function televised live; the group conferring decided Epstein was ultimately responsible for the scheduling debacle and ensuing ordeal, in a collective terse expletive.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > *
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tornadoes Of 24 March Attributable To Bologna (IX.13)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > From 4 March 2023:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.prophecies.nostradamus/c/w360JNUDgjU/m/bSo9J79wAQAJ
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > << Two of Modena truculent for Bologna,
> > > > > > > Set discovered through the fire of Buzancais
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The interpretation should be focused on hagiology, rather than geography, since timing is thusly frequently obscured.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Buzancais was known for a food riot in 1847, with half-starved peasants intercepting grain carts, ultimately suppressed by three rioters being guillotined, after a local elite retaliating with gunfire being beaten to death by the mob caused the remainder to cower. Instead the date of 9 January is inferred via feast for Saint Honorius of Buzancais (d. 1250), a cattle merchant who financially assisted young girls, but was ultimately killed by thieves he had reprimanded.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > January Ninth 2023 was the day about 1200 insurrectionists were arrested in Brasilia, however the fire in IX.13 may have been supplied by an X1.9-class solar flare from an active sunspot (AR3184) facing Earth that day, causing radio blackouts for parts of South America; the same sunspot was responsible for an X1.2-class solar flare 5 January 2023 (day of the funeral for Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI) - an X2 solar flare is four times more powerful than an M5 flare.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Line 3 employs a subtle trick for the 'Two of Modena': the town's patron is Saint Geminiano (312-397), whose name suggests the Gemini twins; although the citizens of Modena overwhelmingly wanted Geminiano for their bishop, he felt unworthy and fled - he had to be found and persuaded. Renowned as an exorcist, Geminiano performed this service successfully for the daughter of Emperor Jovian. In Modena on his 31 January feast there is a special Mass, and his crypt is opened to public view. When Attila the Hun threatened to invade Modena in 452, Geminiano was invoked for protection, and a thick fog conveniently blanketed the city so it was safely bypassed. January 31 2023 was the gap-day between the Three Holy Hierarchs including Basil the Great of 30 January (V.83, VI.78), and the predominantly German thunderstorm with two tornadoes on 1 February 2023. Thus the harsh (or truculent) storm razing a pine forest in northern Germany was indicated as precursor for a later event associated with a Bologna date. >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tornadoes in the southern US on 24 March 2023 have caused about two dozen fatalities; hagiological research had been done designating Saint John del Bastone with a 24 March feast and association with Bologna for the IX.13 allusion.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/25/weather/us-severe-storms-saturday/index.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Two episodes of cyclonic activity derived as dual subjects, in different places at different times, makes the fulfillment dramatic.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://tech.hindustantimes.com/tech/news/sun-hurls-out-cme-towards-earth-g1-class-geomagnetic-storm-to-hit-soonuntitled-story-71679283288194.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The open-ended astrological hints for the cataclysmic onset in Geneva appear to coalesce for late March 2023; the Saturnin reign and cycles from I.54 line 2 have transpired, and the hagiology cannot be easily re-evaluated, but several quatrains have presented recent fulfillments suggesting imminent inevitability.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There are two close sustained trines that could be used for transforming into a Grand Trine with the Vertex (V.18): Ceres with Pluto, leading to the 9:40 pm CEST general time daily, without much potential for the proper dynamics; and Saturn with Mars, which could provide the Sword element for IX.44, after the 22 February 2023 10:47 am CET Saturnin Grand Trine with solar proximity for the Golden factor.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Saturn-Mars-Vertex Grand Trine for Geneva recurs daily in late March 2023 at a time that also brings Venus into conjunction with the East Point. The Cupbearer falsifies as VI.89 says, until the Chalice is tried with the activating conditions.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > From V.66 the time after the 21 March 2023 New Moon was indicated, implying a limit at the Half Moon 29 March 4:31 am CEST.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A pivotal aspect is Mercury conjoining Jupiter as the striking of the High-Born from II.92 28 March 2023 8:42 am CEST - this provides a rival conjunction diminishing the established claim Venus has on the recurring Grand Trine.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Looking back, the prior lunar conjunct was with Ouranos 25 March 2023 12:51 am CET, as VI.70 expresses the noise and light surpassing the Heavens, occurring before the next celestial body is reached.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And the prior lunar aspect was a square with Neptune 28 March 2023 3:39 am CEST, for the perplexity between Corinth and Ephesus in III.3..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The spot occupied by the rapidly-shifting Vertex to form the Grand Trine with Saturn and Mars is about two degrees into Scorpio, fulfilling the final line of V.42 by suggesting a point 'under the Balance,' or beneath the Libran constellation, bringing the Grand Trine together as combined points.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For 28 March 2023 using Geneva coordinates and CEST:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 3:39 am - Neptune lunar square (III.3);
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 8:42 am - Mercury-Jupiter conjunct, Jupiter as High-Born of II.92;
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 10:00 am - Saturnin Grand Trine with Mars and the Vertex - Venus debased at the East Point, upstaged by the Mercury-Jupiter conjunction, critical time -
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > << 28 March 2023 10 am CEST / 4 am EDT / 1 am PDT >>;
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 10:02 am - Ceres lunar square (ends III.3 condition);
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 3:19 pm - Mars lunar conjunct - 'The New Mars for vengeance and remorse' (I.94);
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mercury proceeds to make its next planetary conjunction with Vesta 30 March 2023 4:03 pm CEST, corresponding with the X.6 line -
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 'Vesta - sepulchral extinguishing fire to appear'
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For the Lady honored through force of terror in I.94, there is Blessed Agnes of Chatillon with feast on 28 March, and an additional memorial on 29 March in the Cisterian order; Agnes served as sub-prioress in the monastery of Beaupre, Belgium, circa 1200. She was a visionary with a particular devotion to the Eucharist, falling into ecstasy frequently after partaking Communion. The extension into the adjacent day with the extra memorial could be what is inferred from the 'New Mars' lunar conjunct date of 28 March 2023.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Saturn trine with Mars that is foundational for the Chalice officially occurs 30 March 2023 8:15 pm CEST, a date with plausibly relevant hagiology.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Saint Secundus of Asti has the 30 March feast, a Roman soldier of the Patrician class, baptized as a Christian in Milan; when it was discovered he gave a Christian burial to a martyr he fled to Asti, but was ultimately found, tortured and beheaded circa 119. Milan is in the Lombard region for V.42 and VI.16.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The first bishop of Civitas Silvanectium in Gaul was Saint Regulus (died 260), also having a 30 March feast (Gaul to tremble in X.58).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Another memorial on 30 March is for a group of martyrs in Greece circa 300 with Saint Domninus and others, including one named Victor (VI.70).
> > > > > > The only "STRAw'S" that rilly Matta are....George Santos...Margree Tayla Green ...George Samtos...Roger Stone...Paul Manafart... the QAnon Shamin....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The biggest Straw of all time's...even got his own Tradin Cod's ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Donald Trump! Forma Current and fyootcha President of the USA.
> > > > > Deaths in a group as a pattern is sometimes noted as occurring in threes: such a situation occurred at the end of WWII, with FDR, Hitler and Mussolini all dying closely together in April 1945 - Hitler as Second Antichrist was foreseen in his subterranean bunker [WWII scenario in Book 1], and the demise of Mussolini is also featured.
> > > > >
> > > > > That passage implied the three could be immediately reincarnated with a shared destiny factor: notice three former US presidents were born in 1946, in the consecutive months of June, July and August.
> > > > >
> > > > > The May 2000 Taurean planetary alignment was an omen of ill-fated power, coinciding with a storm where hailstones larger than eggs fell for the Chicago area, where the George W Bush tax cut plan would be later presented as a stimulus.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Columbia shuttle disaster appearing like a comet running in the daylight sky, with a hundred dead from the Great White pyrotechnic tragedy, became portents of the Second Iraq War.
> > > > >
> > > > > Some states have become not experiments in democracy, but authoritarianism, and culture war politics is a reflection of failing to comprehend morality through scripture, where infernal atrocity has insinuated itself as essential, along with the genuine cryptic truths that require enlightenment to possess any meaning whatsoever.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Higher Powers are capable of conducting the Test towards a separation Soul Harvest where objective morality is the criteria for Judgment, which Jesus Christ only alluded to as being beyond the thinking of the ancient day, giving the nebulous advice to 'Watch.'
> > > > >
> > > > > A quatrain recognizably about the JFK assassination starts with 'Ancient work being accomplished,' for the coinciding release date of the second album, where Lennon said they nearly vocally double-tracked themselves off the record, even when produced in twin-track mono, for audio vocal texture towards the Remembrance of a visiting Spectral Risen Christ. In another JFK mention the Jeane Dixon prediction was noted, and a comparison made with the RFK assassination era, when students allied with workers resulted in massive strikes at named locations.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Dominion case has revealed how news agencies might be tailoring their presentation to what their audience wants to believe, treating their service as entertainment for a faction of society rather than factual reports. Elected officials are also redefining their roles to seize more power, with gerrymandered redistricting undermining the representation concept. Whether the top court will adhere to ethical standards is dubious, and judicial activism is in the eye of the beholder. One day the Capitol rioters are dismissed as Antifa, the next day they are being glorified as party patriots. Like concern over inflation transformed into the projection of weaponization of government, the bait-&-switch has become a reliable reality.
> > > > Speakin of DEATH soon Bidens gonna die. Camelot Harris won't be Prez cause she's from another planet. SO the damage libs gonna try to permote Nancy Pelosy with Elizabeth Warren as veep.
> > > >
> > > > But don't worry buddies....TRUMPS REINSTmint will happen. any day now!!!
> > > The 8 April 2024 total solar eclipse has the Sun and Moon united with Chiron, in an alignment of otherwise major planets: those features suggest the metaphorical 'Rod of Iron' through which the Second Coming Messiah will reign at the Seventh Trumpet. Beyond that a Mars-Jupiter aspect is set for the Chastisement, as a punishing solar coronal mass ejection.
> > >
> > > The most wicked regime is allowed to reign for a brief period, to complete the number of martyrs through the fatalistic edict: it is odious to celebrate being the people who would facilitate that. Self-absolution and self-exemption from prophecy is a delusional path, there is no opting-out from Judgment.
> > >
> > > In a few sentences from his Epistle, Nostradamus described the US economic crisis of 2008 during two wars, including a second Mesopotamian exigency, and how his third Antichrist Saddam Hussein would be hanged, even including in the quatrain version a concurrent salmonella outbreak. The exposure of the scandalous prisoner abuse was also foreseen as coinciding with an astronomical event.
> > >
> > > The omniscient knowledge of the Higher Powers proceeds from an intrinsic, immutable morality, by whose standard none are worthy outside whatever protection Christ can manifest. The esoteric truths are elusive ("Few there are who find it") and therefore only acquired by a unique process - "The Harvest is great, yet the Laborers are few," "One Sows, the Other Reaps."
> > >
> > > Society believing its own devised pursuits supervene whatever prophecy has to offer suggests the mindset of vanity precluding salvation. It is not as if some people can learn and propagate education in the normal fashion: the requisite truths are so strange they strain credulity, rendering fulfillment of the 'As in the days of Noah' comparison by Jesus. The End-Times society would be fated to generally disbelieve their critical esoteric truths, which 'no one can resist or gainsay,' just as the people of Noah's time scoffed at the notion of an impending Deluge.
> > >
> > > Sardon Nemaus si haut deborderont
> > > Qu'on cuidera Deucalion renaitre
> > > Dans le colosse la plus part fuiront
> > > Vesta sepulcre feu eteint apparaitre
> > >
> > > The Gardon will flood Nimes to such a high degree
> > > That one will believe Deucalion was reincarnated;
> > > From the Colossus the majority will flee,
> > > Vesta sepulchral fire would make them incinerated
> > >
> > > The clues always correspond with something actual, and timeframe can usually be roughly inferred. I knew something would affect a parliament on a feast for a saint named Felix before the London train bombing, which happened on Ringo Starr's 7 July birthdate with Felix of Nantes. I projected an explosive event around a Mercury solar transit at the feast of a saint of Tours, however it occurred later with the Beirut stockpile explosion on the day for Saint Euphronius of Tours.
> > >
> > > The Husk of III.75 was determined to be Ceres long before the 11 January 2020 convergence with Saturn, Pluto, Sun and Mercury as portents of the pandemic; the March 2020 lockdowns were anticipated a different way, counting 73 years 7 months from Truman signing the AEC into being. The George Floyd Memorial Day police murder had its date pre-derived as stirring the ire of Hannibal, from the feast of Leo of Troyes. The Ukrainian invasion date was surmised many years prior using I.16's hint about Saturn midway through Aquarius having a lunar sextile aspect with Sagittarius.
> > >
> > > Once the 25 October 2022 solar eclipse failed to produce what I.52 line 3 projected, the 20 April 2023 subsequent solar eclipse should been the focus, with the Venusian lunar conjunct bringing the relevant Grand Trines involving the Vertex. However the list of intervening relevant events has been extensive, including the Griner-Bout prisoner exchange, Nepal plane crash into Seti Gorge, massively lethal sibling quakes at the Turkey-Syria border, and so on. My posts on apn are archived where the Park Slope NYC neighborhood solution for II.65 was outlined, many months before the collapse of the parking garage.
> > From the observations described below, I must admit the Grand Trine with the Vertex will probably not be timing for the catastrophe: instead, the astrological influences are setting up different associations, like notes harmonizing in a musical score, rearranging along a theme. The retained factors are Saturn and the South Node as base, but the Moon should also be a necessary element, having left its conjunct with Venus, heading towards The New Mars (for vengeance and remorse from I.94) ...
> >
> > Vertex At South Node In Saturnin-Lunar Grand Trine Facing Solar Vesta,
> > While Transiting From Venus To New Mars Conjunct
> > [25 April 2023 8:22 am CEST / 2:22 am EDT]
> >
> > The likely culmination of the cataclysmic ominous warnings surfaced when examining the circumstances of the Lunar Grand Trine involving Saturn and the South Node, whose trine formed a Balanced Grand Trine with Midheaven for Geneva. The addition of the Moon recalls the 2 February 2023 Venusian Lunar Grand Trine with the South Node on the feast of Saint Joan de Lestonnac, with X.17 jumping to the 23 April Venus lunar conjunct coinciding with a Juno-Ceres-Vertex Grand Trine: this indicates the critical period, and hints at a defining parameter, so that the Grand Trine as the true Cup should include the Moon and South Node with Saturn, replacing regretful Venus.
> >
> > For 25 April 2023 using Geneva coordinates and CEST:
> >
> > 4:55 am - Vertex conjunct Ceres;
> >
> > 5:05 am - Cancer Moon trine the South Node in Scorpio (both at 4 degrees 9 minutes respectively) - this puts the Moon officially within the range for the Grand Trine;
> >
> > 6:39 am - Saturn in Pisces has its lunar trine (both at 4 degrees 57 minutes respectively) - this technically finalizes the esoteric potentiality of the Saturn-Moon-South Node Grand Trine;
> >
> > 8:22 am - Vertex conjunct the South Node, in opposition to the Vesta solar union at the North Node - this added feature seems to be the triggering aspect if the 'vitrix' of V.18 meant the Vertex, rendering a critical time of
> >
> > << 25 April 2023 8:22 am CEST / 2:22 am EDT / 24 April 2023 11:22 pm PDT >>
> >
> > There are other elements of the chart that are intriguing, like synchronized conjunctions for Fortune and the East Point, however the Moon and Vertex augmented Saturnin Grand Trine with the South Node is the major ominous feature. Some of the recent hagiological associations might still apply; the expectation is an explosive outset with hail of unearthed molten metal, followed by some massive flooding, as the karmic legacy of the Capitol riot in I.62. The foretold circumstances aligning also included the 24 April 2023 Neptune lunar square complicated by Pallas lunar adjacency for the perplexity of III.3.
> >
> > The 18 April 2023 collapse of the parking structure in lower Manhattan appears used in II.65 as a precursor specific to the western land relative to France; Mercury leaving Sagittarius in late 2020 prior to Saturn's conjunction with Jupiter was also accurately inferred.
> The commonplace view of astrology is that the Sun sign dictates which of twelve personality types a person possesses, and relevant forecasts can be obtained daily on that basis alone. Judicial astrology is very different, finding celestial correspondences that are more specific, often indicating a personal destiny through the natal chart that manifests throughout the course of the life, in tandem with further emerging situations.
>
> The natal chart for Brian Epstein, presuming the 4:30 am local time is correct on 19 September 1934, has the prominent feature of Vesta in square aspect with the Nodes, while the South Node is near conjunct with Lilith. His Sun was in Virgo, an Earth sign; Lilith represents Wind; and Vesta symbolizes Fire. The Moon was on a cusp, only about fourteen minutes of a degree towards entering the Water-bearing sign of Aquarius.
>
> Saturnin Chalice From Golden Solar Aspect As Sword Before New Mars Lunar Influence
> [25 April 2023 10:03 pm CEST / 4:03 pm EDT / 1:03 pm PDT]
>
> The deduced jump of Fortune from Pallas to the opposing Half Moon for Geneva 13 April 2023 could have indicated the 20 April 2023 New Moon eclipse ahead of it, for II.66 progressing into V.66.
>
> The foretold circumstances aligning included the 24 April 2023 Neptune lunar square complicated by Pallas lunar adjacency for the perplexity of III.3.
>
> The 18 April 2023 collapse of the parking structure in lower Manhattan appears used in II.65 ('le parc enclin') as a precursor specific to the western land relative to France, associated with Insubria (i.e., Lombardy) via the 18 April feast for Saint Galdinus (110-1176), a Milan Cardinal; Mercury leaving Sagittarius in late 2020 prior to Saturn's conjunction with Jupiter was also accurately inferred.
>
> While the Saturnin potential for a Grand Trine with South Node seems hinted by V.42, since their forming the base for a Grand Trine with the Midheaven as Apex appears symmetrically Balanced; the addition of the Vertex for the Sacrifice is suggested by the 'vitrix' of V.18.
>
> The second line from IX.44 implies Saturn with Gold becoming transformed into a Sword, so the solar aspect coinciding for the golden element presents yet another potential feature for imminent fulfillment under unique conditions.
>
> Mythical Titan Saturn would be the High-Born figure striking via the Grand Trine in II.92, towards the New Mars lunar conjunct which could be the subject of I.94, portending vengeance and remorse.
>
> The second half of II.51 could have begun its fulfillment 23 April 2023, the day of the Venus lunar conjunct -
>
> La dame antique cherra de place haute
> De meme secte plusieurs seront occis
>
> The ancient lady will fall from her elevated station
> Several from the same sect will be slain
>
> The 23 April date is feast for three saints martyred together, Felix (a priest), Fortunatus and Achilleus (two deacons), sent by the bishop of Lyons to evangelize Valence: they achieved conversions from preaching and miracles, and were arrested; an angel liberated them from prison, and bade them destroy the local idols with hammers - images of Mercury and Saturn, the likeness of Jupiter rendered in amber. Under the Caracalla reign in 212, their legs were broken, they were tortured on wheels, and subjected to noxious fumes, before ultimately being beheaded.
>
> The ancient lady in II.51 should be Venus, falling by conceptual debasement as a primordial presence.
>
> The trembling Gaul of X.58 could indicate 25 April via Saint Phaebadius of Agen (d. 392).
>
> The pairing of widow and virgin from VIII.80 (when innocent bloodshed occurs) appears on 26 April as a dual feast: Saint Aldo, widow and visionary of Siena; and Saint Exuperantia, virgin of Troyes.
>
> The Lady honored through force of terror in I.94 could be the 26 April commemoration for Our Lady of Good Counsel, involving a church painting miraculously appearing in Genezzano, Italy.
>
> << Our Lady of Good Counsel (Latin: Mater boni consilii) is a title given to the Blessed Virgin Mary, after a painting said to be miraculous, now found in the thirteenth century Augustinian church at Genazzano, near Rome, Italy. Measuring 40 to 45 centimetres (16 to 18 in) the image is a fresco executed on a thin layer of plaster no thicker than an egg shell. Over the centuries, devotions to Our Lady of the Good Counsel grew among saints and Popes, to the extent that a reference to it was added to the Litany of Loreto and the devotion spread throughout the world. Her feast day is 26 April...
>
> According to tradition, the story is said to have begun in 1467. By then the church was in dire need of repair. A local widow, Petruccia, was dedicated to the restoration project, but ran out of funds before the task was completed.
>
> In the midst of the festivities for the Feast of Saint Mark, the townfolk suddenly heard "exquisite music." A mysterious cloud was then said to have descended on the unfinished wall of the parish church. In front of the people, the cloud dissipated and a beautiful fresco, no thicker than a carte-de-visite and no more than eighteen inches square, of the Virgin Mary and the Christ Child was revealed. It was widely believed that it had been miraculously transported from a church in Scutari, Albania just prior to its invasion by the Ottomans.
>
> The picture of Our Lady was at first called "La Madonna del Paradiso" and now better known as "Madonna del Buon Consiglio" (Our Lady of Good Counsel) >>
>
> The New Mars lunar conjunct takes place 26 April 2023 5:08 am CEST, so the dates match to fulfill I.94 -
>
> Le nouveau Mars par vindicte et remort
> Dame par force de frayeur honoree
> The New Mars for vengeance and remorse
> Lady by force of terror honored
>
> The fateful invocations of Lombardy in V.42 and VI.16 could be for husband-and-wife early martyrs, possibly fictional Saints Valeria and Vitalis of Milan, sharing the 28 April feast: Valeria gave burials to Christian martyrs, and was beaten with clubs; her husband Vitalis was buried alive for his faith.
>
> The Lunar Grand Trine with Saturn and the South Node not bringing the Chalice activation forces reversion to the Vertex theory - the final line of VI.89 suggests the daily repetition for the Cupbearer recurring until the Chalice is tried, whereas the Moon substituting for the Vertex deviated from that pattern as an isolated incident.
>
> The 25 April 2023 10:03 pm CEST [4:03 pm EDT / 1:03 pm PDT] iteration of the Saturnin Grand Trine with the South Node and Vertex arrives when the Moon is about 3.5 degrees from its Mars conjunct, still within the post-Venusian conjunct lunar interval.
>
> The Saturn solar sextile 25 April 2023 12:24 pm CEST seems required by IX..44, as 'Saturn with Gold' to transform the Saturnin influence into its violent Sword mode.
>
> The Geneva chart thus shows the Saturn-Vertex side of the Grand Trine as a Pediment with the Sun-Vesta-Node grouping as its Crest.
>
> The Saturnin Grand Trine formation at 10:03 pm CEST occurs after Ouranos sets at the Descendant locally for Geneva (9:40 pm CEST), and before Juno falls (10:23 pm CEST); Venus crosses the Ecliptic about eight minutes after midnight, appearing inconsequential. Since Ouranos means The Heavens that descent beneath the horizon may correspond with the 'noise and light surpassing the Heavens' concept from VI.70.
>
> The debasement of Venus from X.28 may derive from cataclysmic onset arriving near the end of the Venusian lunar interval, when the Moon is nearing its New Mars conjunct for I.94. For the King to be newly-joined from I.52, the 20 April 2023 solar eclipse should be recent, probably less than a week transpiring: the post-eclipse lunar intervals for Venus and Mars thus appear to comply with this ominous scheduling.
>
> Since Saturn will be below the Ecliptic at the critical time, and the Vertex and South Node are conceptual points, the V.65 comment that the principals of the affair will be hidden applies; additionally the proximity of Vesta to the Sun is implied by specifying the lady on burning coals no longer being in view.

On Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 7:34:31 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 5:14:16 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 12:37:25 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:44:49 AM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
> > > > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:40:35 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 8:38:22 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
> > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wSIboHqtXY
> > > > >
> > > > > Dylan may have mocked it, but "Norwegian Wood" is the far better song. I remember an interview with JL in which he said that he did some songs in Dylan's style to show that he could do it better.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Fourth Time Around" sounds to me like a lot of grunting & moaning over a repetitive and uninteresting couple of chords.
> > > > Well yeah, lots of people did Dylan songs better than Dylan did. There were many hit singles that were big hits from other acts doing Dylan songs. Let's face it, Dylan is not a very talented singer or instrumentalist.
> > > I agree. I also think he's an abysmal live performer. I hated his sanctimonious Christian phase. I also think he's a vastly overrated lyricist. Dylan is due for critical reappraisal.
> > >
> > > How about Dylan's embarrassing, either drunk or drugged-out appearances at the 1991 Grammy awards?
> > >
> > > As you probably know, Lennon wrote "Serve Yourself" in the late 70s in mockery of Dylan's Christian song "You've Got To Serve Somebody." Lennon quipped, "So Dylan wants to be a waiter now?"
> > There is a lot about the interactions of Bob Dylan and John Lennon that is only now becoming evident. I see their rivalry as not ending until John was dead.
> >
> > You might like my Bob Dylan blog Dylagence...https://dylagence.wordpress.com/
> I like the title!
Thank you! After trying to piece together all the odd coincidences that seem to occur, it seems appropriate...

On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 3:49:56 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 7:34:31 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 5:14:16 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 12:37:25 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:44:49 AM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:40:35 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 8:38:22 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
> > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wSIboHqtXY
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dylan may have mocked it, but "Norwegian Wood" is the far better song. I remember an interview with JL in which he said that he did some songs in Dylan's style to show that he could do it better.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Fourth Time Around" sounds to me like a lot of grunting & moaning over a repetitive and uninteresting couple of chords.
> > > > > Well yeah, lots of people did Dylan songs better than Dylan did. There were many hit singles that were big hits from other acts doing Dylan songs. Let's face it, Dylan is not a very talented singer or instrumentalist.
> > > > I agree. I also think he's an abysmal live performer. I hated his sanctimonious Christian phase. I also think he's a vastly overrated lyricist.. Dylan is due for critical reappraisal.
> > > >
> > > > How about Dylan's embarrassing, either drunk or drugged-out appearances at the 1991 Grammy awards?
> > > >
> > > > As you probably know, Lennon wrote "Serve Yourself" in the late 70s in mockery of Dylan's Christian song "You've Got To Serve Somebody." Lennon quipped, "So Dylan wants to be a waiter now?"
> > > There is a lot about the interactions of Bob Dylan and John Lennon that is only now becoming evident. I see their rivalry as not ending until John was dead.
> > >
> > > You might like my Bob Dylan blog Dylagence...https://dylagence.wordpress.com/
> > I like the title!
> Thank you! After trying to piece together all the odd coincidences that seem to occur, it seems appropriate...

Was it in fact Dylan who introduced the Beatles to marijuana? There's debate as to whether it was Dylan or Al Aronowitz.

On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 7:01:27 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 3:49:56 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 7:34:31 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 5:14:16 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 12:37:25 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:44:49 AM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:40:35 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 8:38:22 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
> > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wSIboHqtXY
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dylan may have mocked it, but "Norwegian Wood" is the far better song. I remember an interview with JL in which he said that he did some songs in Dylan's style to show that he could do it better.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Fourth Time Around" sounds to me like a lot of grunting & moaning over a repetitive and uninteresting couple of chords.
> > > > > > Well yeah, lots of people did Dylan songs better than Dylan did.. There were many hit singles that were big hits from other acts doing Dylan songs. Let's face it, Dylan is not a very talented singer or instrumentalist.
> > > > > I agree. I also think he's an abysmal live performer. I hated his sanctimonious Christian phase. I also think he's a vastly overrated lyricist. Dylan is due for critical reappraisal.
> > > > >
> > > > > How about Dylan's embarrassing, either drunk or drugged-out appearances at the 1991 Grammy awards?
> > > > >
> > > > > As you probably know, Lennon wrote "Serve Yourself" in the late 70s in mockery of Dylan's Christian song "You've Got To Serve Somebody." Lennon quipped, "So Dylan wants to be a waiter now?"
> > > > There is a lot about the interactions of Bob Dylan and John Lennon that is only now becoming evident. I see their rivalry as not ending until John was dead.
> > > >
> > > > You might like my Bob Dylan blog Dylagence...https://dylagence.wordpress.com/
> > > I like the title!
> > Thank you! After trying to piece together all the odd coincidences that seem to occur, it seems appropriate...
> Was it in fact Dylan who introduced the Beatles to marijuana? There's debate as to whether it was Dylan or Al Aronowitz.

I think the idea that the Beatles had to be 'introduced' to anything is ridiculous. They tried everything, weed included, in Hamburg...and may not have been impressed. I do think Bob may have given them some really good stuff though, and that made an impression...

On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 3:58:05 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 7:01:27 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 3:49:56 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 7:34:31 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 5:14:16 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 12:37:25 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:44:49 AM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:40:35 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 8:38:22 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
> > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wSIboHqtXY
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dylan may have mocked it, but "Norwegian Wood" is the far better song. I remember an interview with JL in which he said that he did some songs in Dylan's style to show that he could do it better.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Fourth Time Around" sounds to me like a lot of grunting & moaning over a repetitive and uninteresting couple of chords.
> > > > > > > Well yeah, lots of people did Dylan songs better than Dylan did. There were many hit singles that were big hits from other acts doing Dylan songs. Let's face it, Dylan is not a very talented singer or instrumentalist.
> > > > > > I agree. I also think he's an abysmal live performer. I hated his sanctimonious Christian phase. I also think he's a vastly overrated lyricist. Dylan is due for critical reappraisal.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How about Dylan's embarrassing, either drunk or drugged-out appearances at the 1991 Grammy awards?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As you probably know, Lennon wrote "Serve Yourself" in the late 70s in mockery of Dylan's Christian song "You've Got To Serve Somebody." Lennon quipped, "So Dylan wants to be a waiter now?"
> > > > > There is a lot about the interactions of Bob Dylan and John Lennon that is only now becoming evident. I see their rivalry as not ending until John was dead.
> > > > >
> > > > > You might like my Bob Dylan blog Dylagence...https://dylagence.wordpress.com/
> > > > I like the title!
> > > Thank you! After trying to piece together all the odd coincidences that seem to occur, it seems appropriate...
> > Was it in fact Dylan who introduced the Beatles to marijuana? There's debate as to whether it was Dylan or Al Aronowitz.
> I think the idea that the Beatles had to be 'introduced' to anything is ridiculous. They tried everything, weed included, in Hamburg...and may not have been impressed. I do think Bob may have given them some really good stuff though, and that made an impression...

You might be right about them trying weed in Hamburg, but I think it was the experience with Aronowitz and Dylan that they became seriously interested in the drug. Pot wouldn't have been conducive to the type of extended, high-energy performances they were doing in Hamburg, anyway.

There's a sound basis for believing John, George and their women were exposed to LSD for the first time in 1965 -- though that drug had been around since the late 40s.

On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 3:31:24 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 3:58:05 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 7:01:27 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > > On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 3:49:56 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 7:34:31 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 5:14:16 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 12:37:25 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:44:49 AM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:40:35 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 8:38:22 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wSIboHqtXY
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Dylan may have mocked it, but "Norwegian Wood" is the far better song. I remember an interview with JL in which he said that he did some songs in Dylan's style to show that he could do it better.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Fourth Time Around" sounds to me like a lot of grunting & moaning over a repetitive and uninteresting couple of chords.
> > > > > > > > Well yeah, lots of people did Dylan songs better than Dylan did. There were many hit singles that were big hits from other acts doing Dylan songs. Let's face it, Dylan is not a very talented singer or instrumentalist.
> > > > > > > I agree. I also think he's an abysmal live performer. I hated his sanctimonious Christian phase. I also think he's a vastly overrated lyricist. Dylan is due for critical reappraisal.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How about Dylan's embarrassing, either drunk or drugged-out appearances at the 1991 Grammy awards?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As you probably know, Lennon wrote "Serve Yourself" in the late 70s in mockery of Dylan's Christian song "You've Got To Serve Somebody." Lennon quipped, "So Dylan wants to be a waiter now?"
> > > > > > There is a lot about the interactions of Bob Dylan and John Lennon that is only now becoming evident. I see their rivalry as not ending until John was dead.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You might like my Bob Dylan blog Dylagence...https://dylagence.wordpress.com/
> > > > > I like the title!
> > > > Thank you! After trying to piece together all the odd coincidences that seem to occur, it seems appropriate...
> > > Was it in fact Dylan who introduced the Beatles to marijuana? There's debate as to whether it was Dylan or Al Aronowitz.
> > I think the idea that the Beatles had to be 'introduced' to anything is ridiculous. They tried everything, weed included, in Hamburg...and may not have been impressed. I do think Bob may have given them some really good stuff though, and that made an impression...
> You might be right about them trying weed in Hamburg, but I think it was the experience with Aronowitz and Dylan that they became seriously interested in the drug. Pot wouldn't have been conducive to the type of extended, high-energy performances they were doing in Hamburg, anyway.
>
> There's a sound basis for believing John, George and their women were exposed to LSD for the first time in 1965 -- though that drug had been around since the late 40s.
I agree. They were doing prellies and the like in Hamburg, kept them awake and revved up. Probably not much interested in anything that mellowed them out. I also agree that they most likely had a formal intro to LSD...

On Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 3:40:54 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 7:14:16 AM UTC-6, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 12:37:25 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:44:49 AM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
> > > > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:40:35 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 8:38:22 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
> > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wSIboHqtXY
> > > > >
> > > > > Dylan may have mocked it, but "Norwegian Wood" is the far better song. I remember an interview with JL in which he said that he did some songs in Dylan's style to show that he could do it better.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Fourth Time Around" sounds to me like a lot of grunting & moaning over a repetitive and uninteresting couple of chords.
> > > > Well yeah, lots of people did Dylan songs better than Dylan did. There were many hit singles that were big hits from other acts doing Dylan songs. Let's face it, Dylan is not a very talented singer or instrumentalist.
> > > I agree. I also think he's an abysmal live performer. I hated his sanctimonious Christian phase. I also think he's a vastly overrated lyricist. Dylan is due for critical reappraisal.
> > >
> > > How about Dylan's embarrassing, either drunk or drugged-out appearances at the 1991 Grammy awards?
> > >
> > > As you probably know, Lennon wrote "Serve Yourself" in the late 70s in mockery of Dylan's Christian song "You've Got To Serve Somebody." Lennon quipped, "So Dylan wants to be a waiter now?"
> > There is a lot about the interactions of Bob Dylan and John Lennon that is only now becoming evident. I see their rivalry as not ending until John was dead.
> >
> > You might like my Bob Dylan blog Dylagence...https://dylagence.wordpress.com/
> I think Bob had a hidden agenda when it came to John and the Beatles...Bob knew things John did not, which caused John to stumble...

And some years later, Dylan tried to warn Lennon that he'd heard Yoko had "bad vibes." I wonder what he knew, and through whom.