> > >
> > > Andy likes to make himself feel important by relentlessly
> > > trying to relate every topic in this ng to some event in his
> > > life.
> > Yes, obviously ;D Tragically I don't think he even realizes this...
> *the tragic thing is; -tragically
This coming from you two is hilarious.

KimDenmark schrieb am Montag, 27. November 2023 um 23:52:31 UTC+1:
> > > >
> > > > Andy likes to make himself feel important by relentlessly
> > > > trying to relate every topic in this ng to some event in his
> > > > life.
> > > Yes, obviously ;D Tragically I don't think he even realizes this...
> > *the tragic thing is; -tragically
> This coming from you two is hilarious.

Huh? I am here talking about stuff I'm listening to. Go listen to Backhaus or sth.

KimDenmark schrieb am Montag, 27. November 2023 um 23:52:31 UTC+1:
> > > >
> > > > Andy likes to make himself feel important by relentlessly
> > > > trying to relate every topic in this ng to some event in his
> > > > life.
> > > Yes, obviously ;D Tragically I don't think he even realizes this...
> > *the tragic thing is; -tragically
> This coming from you two is hilarious.

What would be your favourite recordings of Serail, Nozze, DG, Cosi and the Zauberflöte shithead?

On Monday, 27 November 2023 at 22:52:31 UTC, KimDenmark wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Andy likes to make himself feel important by relentlessly
> > > > trying to relate every topic in this ng to some event in his
> > > > life.
> > > Yes, obviously ;D Tragically I don't think he even realizes this...
> > *the tragic thing is; -tragically

> This coming from you two is hilarious.

The Twisted Twins knitting their nightly nonsense again........ If you listen carefully you can always hear the echo.

On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 12:44:28 AM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:
> On Monday, 27 November 2023 at 22:52:31 UTC, KimDenmark wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Andy likes to make himself feel important by relentlessly
> > > > > trying to relate every topic in this ng to some event in his
> > > > > life.
> > > > Yes, obviously ;D Tragically I don't think he even realizes this...
> > > *the tragic thing is; -tragically
>
> > This coming from you two is hilarious.
> The Twisted Twins knitting their nightly nonsense again........ If you listen carefully you can always hear the echo.

it's almost too intimate, this neediness. they should get a room and just do it.

On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 5:39:25 PM, herman wrote:
>
> > > This coming from you two is hilarious.
> > The Twisted Twins knitting their nightly nonsense again........ If you listen carefully you can always hear the echo.
> it's almost too intimate, this neediness. they should get a room and just do it.

What the eff is going on in this group? I have caused my fair share of ruckus, fracas and quarrel, but this is gettin' to be ri-g_ddamn-diculous! December's WAYLTL is but 3 short days away, and it's beginning to look a lot like Christmas.

Walton: String Quartet in A minor (1947)
Shostakovich: String Quartet No.3 in F major, Op.73 (1946)

Albion Quartet

Signum Classics SIGCD727 ℗ © 2022. CD.
DDD. 24-bit digital recording.
Recorded in Saffron Hall, Saffron, Walden, Essex, UK, July 24-26, 2021.
Producer and editor: Nicholas Parker.
Recording engineer, mix and mastering: Mike Hatch.

Cover image and booklet photos: Steve Gullick.
Design and artwork: Woven Design.
Booklet note: Roger Parker.
Total time: 60:48.
Signum Records Ltd, Suite 14, 21 Wadsworth Road, Perivale, Middlesex, UB6 7LQ, United Kingdom.
℗ © 2022 Signum Records.

COMMENT: A nifty program, and one I do not believe I have seen comprised on one disc before. BBC Music Magazine gave it 5 stars performance and 4 stars recording, so I felt compelled to buy for just $2.99 in the used bin. The Walton is a volatile work and the Albionites's agility through thorny passagework and pacing make for enjoyable serious listening. Erudite playing? I think so. And the Shostakovich? Well, I love the Third. I'm buying them just to buy them at this point. Is Waley-Cohen a 'better' violinist than Ibragimova? No. But her quartet is the superior one, IMHO. Believe the hype, (ladies and) gentlemen!

Tamsin Waley-Cohen (vln)
Emma Parker (vln)
Ann Beilby (vla)
Nathaniel Boyd (vlc)

On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 6:40:53 PM, Oscar wrote:
>
> [so] I felt compelled to buy for just $2.99 in the used bin.

.. . . and since you are _all_ so curious as to what else I bought in the used bins over the past week (two trips to the store) . . .

Verdi La Traviata; Capsir; La Scala / Molajoli; Naxos Historical ℗ © 2001. 2CD Mono. Sealed. Italian Lira sticker '26000' (!!) on the front cello and the silver, non-pirate reflective sticker on the back.
Mark Reizen on Lebendige Vergangenheit ℗ 1993. Mono. Sealed with Tower Records (rather, 'Tower') $17.98 sticker on cello.
Shoenberg Violin Concerto; Verklärte Nacht (sextet version); Isabelle Faust (vln); Swedish RSO / Harding; harmonia mundi ℗ © 2020. Sealed.
Bach, Shostakovich, Beethoven; Danish String Quartet; ECM ℗ © 2018. Sealed. The first title in the Prism series, of which I have the other 4 volumes, last of which was issued 7 months ago.

I really don't care much for Isabelle Faust. Not among my favorite players, but I lurv me some Schoenberg. The rest will be listened to with great interest. I think I have the Traviata already, but what the hey, it was 4 bucks. God bless CDs. More posts to come . . .

On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 3:40:53 AM UTC+1, Oscar wrote:
> Walton: String Quartet in A minor (1947)
> Shostakovich: String Quartet No.3 in F major, Op.73 (1946)
>
> Albion Quartet
>
Is Waley-Cohen a 'better' violinist than Ibragimova? No. But her quartet is the superior one, IMHO. Believe the hype, (ladies and) gentlemen!
>
That looks like a fun CD. I wouldn't call Tamsin W-C a violinist with international superstar potential a la Janine J or Ibragimova or indeed Mme Faust, and she seems a bit stuck in Britishism, performing Lark Ascending daily, but what can a girl do?

Herman schrieb am Dienstag, 28. November 2023 um 02:39:25 UTC+1:
> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 12:44:28 AM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:
> > On Monday, 27 November 2023 at 22:52:31 UTC, KimDenmark wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andy likes to make himself feel important by relentlessly
> > > > > > trying to relate every topic in this ng to some event in his
> > > > > > life.
> > > > > Yes, obviously ;D Tragically I don't think he even realizes this....
> > > > *the tragic thing is; -tragically
> >
> > > This coming from you two is hilarious.
> > The Twisted Twins knitting their nightly nonsense again........ If you listen carefully you can always hear the echo.
> it's almost too intimate, this neediness. they should get a room and just do it.

Again Herman who has a gf who plays harpsichord and piano: This is rmcr, not Herman's safe space.

Oscar schrieb am Dienstag, 28. November 2023 um 03:22:00 UTC+1:
> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 5:39:25 PM, herman wrote:
> >
> > > > This coming from you two is hilarious.
> > > The Twisted Twins knitting their nightly nonsense again........ If you listen carefully you can always hear the echo.
> > it's almost too intimate, this neediness. they should get a room and just do it.
> What the eff is going on in this group? I have caused my fair share of ruckus, fracas and quarrel, but this is gettin' to be ri-g_ddamn-diculous! December's WAYLTL is but 3 short days away, and it's beginning to look a lot like Christmas.

What do you have against christmas, man? This group is a fucking zoo.

On Tuesday, 28 November 2023 at 02:59:22 UTC, Oscar wrote:

> Shoenberg Violin Concerto; Verklärte Nacht (sextet version); Isabelle Faust (vln); Swedish RSO / Harding; harmonia mundi ℗ © 2020. Sealed.

> I really don't care much for Isabelle Faust. Not among my favorite players, but I lurv me some Schoenberg.

I should check out more Schoenberg. I almost never listen.

On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 1:28:57 PM UTC+1, Andy Evans wrote:
> On Tuesday, 28 November 2023 at 02:59:22 UTC, Oscar wrote:
>
> > Schönberg Violin Concerto; Verklärte Nacht (sextet version); Isabelle Faust (vln); Swedish RSO / Harding; harmonia mundi ℗ © 2020. Sealed.

> > Faust and Harding play well together.

I have to acknowledge that I probably won't be done before december...

For now my favourite Mozart opera recordings are:

Nozze: Kleiber
DG: Krips, Mitropoulos
Cosi: Böhm (Decca)
Zauberflöte: Iván Fischer, Böhm (Decca)

Recordings being reevaluated: Cambreling cosi (his Figaro is horrible), Krips' Decca/Pearl Serail
Recordings I am interested in: Honeck's cosi

Want to take the opportunity to say - after dipping into 2 different Welser-Möst Figaros - that Welser-Möst sucks ass.

Marc S schrieb am Dienstag, 28. November 2023 um 19:01:52 UTC+1:
> I have to acknowledge that I probably won't be done before december...
>
> For now my favourite Mozart opera recordings are:
>
> Nozze: Kleiber
> DG: Krips, Mitropoulos
> Cosi: Böhm (Decca)
> Zauberflöte: Iván Fischer, Böhm (Decca)
>
> Recordings being reevaluated: Cambreling cosi (his Figaro is horrible), Krips' Decca/Pearl Serail

*Add Kertesz's Serail

> Recordings I am interested in: Honeck's cosi
>
> Want to take the opportunity to say - after dipping into 2 different Welser-Möst Figaros - that Welser-Möst sucks ass.

Marc S schrieb am Dienstag, 28. November 2023 um 19:02:33 UTC+1:
> > Recordings I am interested in: Honeck's cosi

Well the Fiordiligi and Dorabella are very much not to my taste... same goes for Honeck's cosi. Didn't listen further. No idea about the rest of the cast.

Okay, Cambreling's and Haneke's cosi is just genius... I need it.

100% sure: Male singers on Krips first serail are bad singers. No need for this. Krips' EMI Serail is better.

On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 12:54:25 AM, herman wrote:
>
> That looks like a fun CD. I wouldn't call Tamsin W-C a violinist with international superstar potential a la Janine J
> or Ibragimova or indeed Mme Faust, and she seems a bit stuck in Britishism, performing Lark Ascending daily,
> but what can a girl do?

This is true. She is also a nepo baby, if that term may be not-rudely applied to her. However, her grandfather was a Lord Mayor of London and an all-around mover and shaker in Londontown, and he father is a very successful theatre producer, e.g. The Mousetrap. Which did not color my appreciation for her talent as I discovered this much after I started listening to her. But could it have led to her signing to Signum and a recording career and formation of a string quartet of estimable quality? Enquiring minds want to know.

Of course, we should all _despise_ her because her grandpa was a director of the Palestine Corporation, which was founded in 1922 by some British businessmen to promote economic development in the British mandate of Palestine.. And her great-grandfather worked for the Shell Company from 1901 and negotiated its merger with the Royal Dutch Oil Company, 1906. So she's Jewish _and_ seemingly a climate denier!

On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 1:20:18 AM UTC+1, Oscar wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 12:54:25 AM, herman wrote:
> >
> > what can a girl do?
> She is also a nepo baby, if that term may be not-rudely applied to her.

Obviously a great number of CM performers could, non-rudely, be called nepo babies, in that there is sufficient money in da house to afford good instruments and a good musical education - two very expensive things.

Another pre-selective factor is growing up in a musical family.
So, I don't think there were tons of money in Janine Jansen's home when she was a kid, but pretty much everybody was playing an instrument, and that is determinative.
So many good performers (at least in the fiddle and woodwind world) will tell you their siblings are CM performers, too.

On Wednesday, 29 November 2023 at 09:23:16 UTC, Herman wrote:

> Obviously a great number of CM performers could, non-rudely, be called nepo babies, in that there is sufficient money in da house to afford good instruments and a good musical education - two very expensive things.

Indeed. The reality in the string world is that if you don't have very good tuition from before the age of 7 you're dead meat as a competitive violinist. Very few exceptions to that. I've known some late starters that never got over starting after age 10, psychologically or career wise.

> Another pre-selective factor is growing up in a musical family.

Yes, but starting early with a good teacher is more important. Many famous musicians and singers had parents that were otherwise creative, like artists or writers. Or even just businessmen and home-makers that used to sing about the house.