Today (August 18, 2023) is Bad Poetry Day.

It is also Never Give Up Day and Serendipity Day.

I’m still plugging away on alt.religion.druid.

--
https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
"This could be the final breath; This is life and death;
This is hard rock and water; Out here between wind and flame;
Between tears and elation; Lies a secret nation" (Ron Hynes)

On Aug 18, 2023, David Dalton wrote
(in article<0001HW.2A8F1749004B47187000049DA38F@news.eternal-september.org>):

> Today (August 18, 2023) is Bad Poetry Day.
>
> It is also Never Give Up Day and Serendipity Day.
>
> I’m still plugging away on alt.religion.druid.

And August 19 is National Potato Day, which last year
around this time I called National Poet-ato Day in
memory of Seamus Heaney and his poem Digging
which he reads in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNRkPU1LSUg

--
https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
"This could be the final breath; This is life and death;
This is hard rock and water; Out here between wind and flame;
Between tears and elation; Lies a secret nation" (Ron Hynes)

On Aug 18, 2023, David Dalton wrote
(in article<0001HW.2A9059470042D0507000104AD38F@news.eternal-september.org>):

> On Aug 18, 2023, David Dalton wrote
> (in article<0001HW.2A8F1749004B47187000049DA38F@news.eternal-september.org>):
>
> > Today (August 18, 2023) is Bad Poetry Day.
> >
> > It is also Never Give Up Day and Serendipity Day.
> >
> > I’m still plugging away on alt.religion.druid.
>
> And August 19 is National Potato Day, which last year
> around this time I called National Poet-ato Day in
> memory of Seamus Heaney and his poem Digging
> which he reads in this video:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNRkPU1LSUg

August 19 is also Break the Monotony Day,
Homeless Animals Day, and World Humanitarian Day.

--
https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
"This could be the final breath; This is life and death;
This is hard rock and water; Out here between wind and flame;
Between tears and elation; Lies a secret nation" (Ron Hynes)

On Aug 18, 2023, David Dalton wrote
(in article<0001HW.2A9059470042D0507000104AD38F@news.eternal-september.org>):

> On Aug 18, 2023, David Dalton wrote
> (in article<0001HW.2A8F1749004B47187000049DA38F@news.eternal-september.org>):
>
> > Today (August 18, 2023) is Bad Poetry Day.
> >
> > It is also Never Give Up Day and Serendipity Day.
> >
> > I’m still plugging away on alt.religion.druid.
>
> And August 19 is National Potato Day, which last year
> around this time I called National Poet-ato Day in
> memory of Seamus Heaney and his poem Digging
> which he reads in this video:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNRkPU1LSUg

THE MOBILE GOAT (Newfoundland folk song)
written by Tom Cahill, made famous by Joan Morrissey
also sung by the Tom Morrissey Band on "Island Man”

also sung by my friend Colleen Power:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl_0FrwxIDk

Have you heard the story of the Mobile goat on the grand old southern shore,
In the lovely isle of Newfoundland, where goats don't roam no more?
It's about a man named Dillon whose cursin' was of note,
And how he was diggin' for spuds one day, when he spoke to the Mobile goat.

Now the goat was stealin' Dillon's spuds for twenty years or more,
And every time he saw him, Dillon cursed and raged and swore.
He was diggin' hard in his field this time and the goat was chewin' a-way
Near a great big six-foot granite rock, when Dillon heard him say:

CHORUS:
Are you diggin' 'em, Dillon? - - - - Are you diggin' 'em deep? - - - -
Are you pilin' 'em, Dillon, - - - - in a great big heap?
"Oh, I'm diggin' 'em," says Dillon, "but not enough to fill a boat,
But I'd be diggin' 'em more if it wasn't for you, you rotten, stinkin' goat!
Oh, I'd be diggin' 'em more if it wasn't for you, you rotten, stinkin'
goat!”

Now Dillon got the fright of his life when he knew what just took place,
And he said to the good Lord, "'Tis the devil himself come [to] snatch me
from your grace,
Come take me for my sacrilege and my rotten life of sin!"
And he ran like mad down the hill to home and the goat just pitched right in.

But they say it was a priest just passin' by when he heard old Dillon curse
On the goat and the spuds and the Lord above for makin' all things worse.
Just to hush the roars of the heavens above, he thought he'd bid good day,
And as he passed that garden fence, the good priest he did say: CHORUS

You could never tell Dillon 'twas the priest who spoke to stop his curses
free,
Passin' quietly behind the rock so Dillon couldn't see.
And to this day in Mobile on that grand old southern shore,
There's a thousand who believe the goat spoke out when Dillon swore! CHORUS

--
https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
"This could be the final breath; This is life and death;
This is hard rock and water; Out here between wind and flame;
Between tears and elation; Lies a secret nation" (Ron Hynes)

August 21 is National Poets Day.

--
https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
"This could be the final breath; This is life and death;
This is hard rock and water; Out here between wind and flame;
Between tears and elation; Lies a secret nation" (Ron Hynes)

Will Dockery wrote:

> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:01:16 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
>>
>> August 21 is National Poets Day.
>> --
>> https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
>> "This could be the final breath; This is life and death;
>> This is hard rock and water; Out here between wind and flame;
>> Between tears and elation; Lies a secret nation" (Ron Hynes)

> Thanks again, David, National Poets Day seems relatively little known.

> Ping George Dance:

> This needs to be on the Wiki:

> https://weirdholiday.com/national-poets-day/

Cool holiday...!

On Aug 21, 2023, General-Zod wrote
(in article<65357bdf3c5cd9a87f44bfd29e96e174@news.novabbs.com>):

> Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:01:16 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
> > >
> > > August 21 is National Poets Day.
>
> > Thanks again, David, National Poets Day seems relatively little known.
>
> > Ping George Dance:
>
> > This needs to be on the Wiki:
>
> > https://weirdholiday.com/national-poets-day/
>
> Cool holiday...!

You’re welcome.

I’m not following alt.arts.poetry.comments so may have
missed some posts. (I know, I should follow it.)

--
https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
"This could be the final breath; This is life and death;
This is hard rock and water; Out here between wind and flame;
Between tears and elation; Lies a secret nation" (Ron Hynes)

David Dalton wrote:

> On Aug 21, 2023, General-Zod wrote
> (in article<65357bdf3c5cd9a87f44bfd29e96e174@news.novabbs.com>):

>> Will Dockery wrote:
>>
>> > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:01:16 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
>> > >
>> > > August 21 is National Poets Day.
>>
>> > Thanks again, David, National Poets Day seems relatively little known.
>>
>> > Ping George Dance:
>>
>> > This needs to be on the Wiki:
>>
>> > https://weirdholiday.com/national-poets-day/
>>
>> Cool holiday...!

> You’re welcome.

> I’m not following alt.arts.poetry.comments so may have
> missed some posts. (I know, I should follow it.)

Yep, hope you will join us there...!

National Poets Day
Observed annually on August 21st (since 2001)

https://www.checkiday.com/f791137c8f1401e13c0d8c9cb8e3fc9f/poets-day

*************This is a day dedicated the crafters of poetry. Poetry has been around for millennia, dating back to the Sumerian's Epic of Gilgamesh. Poetry "uses aesthetic and rhythmic qualities of language", and its meanings go beyond prosaic writing. There are many forms of poetry, such as sonnets, limericks, and haikus, and there are many genres of poetry such as narrative, epic, and lyric. Poets not only write poems, but many times read or perform them in front of an audience. Poets have written in almost every language and style imaginable. Professional poets were sponsored by wealthy patrons in Ancient Rome. During the High Middle Ages, troubadours were travelling poets, who also filled roles as actors and musicians, and were many times sponsored by patrons. During the Renaissance period, patrons also sponsored poets, and many poets did other things besides just write poetry. For example, William Shakespeare also worked in theater. During the Romantic period, during the late 18th century, and going forward, poets were independent writers, but also did other types of work to support themselves.**************

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 8:21:47 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 1:40:17 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 3:37:10 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 1:34:27 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 10:25:22 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 9:50:13 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 9:30:33 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:01:16 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > August 21 is National Poets Day.
> > > > > > > Definitely the place to celebrate that.
> > > > > > Well... I must say I'm impressed with Will with this statement, unlike with Zod who used the good intention of Bad Poetry Day to try to lame people here like he was superior (must be his "real poet" sanctimony again)
> > > > > > "When I was questioned, I shook my head and stared
> > > > > > I was traveling alone and had nothing to declare
> > > > > > He asked how I knew for sure
> > > > > > And would I tell everyone I knew
> > > > > > If it would hurt to know the truth"
> > > > > > --'Traveling Alone' ~~Woods of Ypres
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
> > > > > > > > "This could be the final breath; This is life and death;
> > > > > > > > This is hard rock and water; Out here between wind and flame;
> > > > > > > > Between tears and elation; Lies a secret nation" (Ron Hynes)
> > > > > > > ...
> > > > > Good morning, Ash, and happy National Poetry Day.
> > > > I will allow a holiday greeting, even though I don't need them to set a holiday for poetry-- every day is a poetry celebration day.
> > > > "Poetry is an effort of a dissatisfied man to find satisfaction through words."
> > > > "Wallace Stevens and the Limits of Reading and Writing" (2002) Bart Eeckhout pg 268
> > > Happy Poetry Day to you both
> > Good evening my friend, same to you.
> >
>
> Shalom Will

Hello again, my friend.

🙂

On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 5:24:56 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
> On Aug 21, 2023, General-Zod wrote
> (in article<65357bdf3c5cd9a8...@news.novabbs.com>):
> > Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:01:16 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
>
> > > > August 21 is National Poets Day.
> >
> > > Thanks again, David, National Poets Day seems relatively little known.
> >
> > > Ping George Dance:
> >
> > > This needs to be on the Wiki:
> >
> > > https://weirdholiday.com/national-poets-day/
> >
> > Cool holiday...!
> You’re welcome.
>
> I’m not following alt.arts.poetry.comments so may have
> missed some posts. (I know, I should follow it.)
> --
> https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
> "This could be the final breath; This is life and death;
> This is hard rock and water; Out here between wind and flame;
> Between tears and elation; Lies a secret nation" (Ron Hynes)

Again, definitely hope you'll join us, David.

🙂

Will Dockery wrote:

> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 5:24:56 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
>> On Aug 21, 2023, General-Zod wrote
>> (in article<65357bdf3c5cd9a8...@news.novabbs.com>):
>> > Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:01:16 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
>>
>> > > > August 21 is National Poets Day.
>> >
>> > > Thanks again, David, National Poets Day seems relatively little known.
>> >
>> > > Ping George Dance:
>> >
>> > > This needs to be on the Wiki:
>> >
>> > > https://weirdholiday.com/national-poets-day/
>> >
>> > Cool holiday...!
>> You’re welcome.
>>
>> I’m not following alt.arts.poetry.comments so may have
>> missed some posts. (I know, I should follow it.)
>> --
>> https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
>> "This could be the final breath; This is life and death;
>> This is hard rock and water; Out here between wind and flame;
>> Between tears and elation; Lies a secret nation" (Ron Hynes)

> Again, definitely hope you'll join us, David.

Agreeed and seconded...!

Jordy C wrote:

> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 11:34:45 AM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
>> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 3:37:10 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
>> > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 1:34:27 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> > > > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:01:16 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > > > August 21 is National Poets Day.
>> > > > > > Definitely the place to celebrate that.
>> > > > > Well... I must say I'm impressed with Will with this statement, unlike with Zod who used the good intention of Bad Poetry Day to try to lame people here like he was superior (must be his "real poet" sanctimony again)
>> > > > > "When I was questioned, I shook my head and stared
>> > > > > I was traveling alone and had nothing to declare
>> > > > > He asked how I knew for sure
>> > > > > And would I tell everyone I knew
>> > > > > If it would hurt to know the truth"
>> > > > > --'Traveling Alone' ~~Woods of Ypres
>> > > > > > > --
>> > > > > > > https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
>> > > > > > > "This could be the final breath; This is life and death;
>> > > > > > > This is hard rock and water; Out here between wind and flame;
>> > > > > > > Between tears and elation; Lies a secret nation" (Ron Hynes)
>> > > > > > ...
>> > > > Good morning, Ash, and happy National Poetry Day.
>> > > I will allow a holiday greeting, even though I don't need them to set a holiday for poetry-- every day is a poetry celebration day.
>> > > "Poetry is an effort of a dissatisfied man to find satisfaction through words."
>> > > "Wallace Stevens and the Limits of Reading and Writing" (2002) Bart Eeckhout pg 268
>> > Happy Poetry Day to you both
>> Hi there you as well...
> thank you, FS

Good morning Jordy.

🙂

David Dalton wrote
>> (in article<0001HW.2A8F1749004B47187000049DA38F@news.eternal-september.org>):
>
>> > Today (August 18, 2023) is Bad Poetry Day.
>> >
>> > It is also Never Give Up Day and Serendipity Day.
>> >
>> > I’m still plugging away on alt.religion.druid.
>>
>> And August 19 is National Potato Day, which last year
>> around this time I called National Poet-ato Day in
>> memory of Seamus Heaney and his poem Digging
>> which he reads in this video:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNRkPU1LSUg

> THE MOBILE GOAT (Newfoundland folk song)
> written by Tom Cahill, made famous by Joan Morrissey
> also sung by the Tom Morrissey Band on "Island Man”

> also sung by my friend Colleen Power:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl_0FrwxIDk

> Have you heard the story of the Mobile goat on the grand old southern shore,
> In the lovely isle of Newfoundland, where goats don't roam no more?
> It's about a man named Dillon whose cursin' was of note,
> And how he was diggin' for spuds one day, when he spoke to the Mobile goat.

> Now the goat was stealin' Dillon's spuds for twenty years or more,
> And every time he saw him, Dillon cursed and raged and swore.
> He was diggin' hard in his field this time and the goat was chewin' a-way
> Near a great big six-foot granite rock, when Dillon heard him say:

> CHORUS:
> Are you diggin' 'em, Dillon? - - - - Are you diggin' 'em deep? - - - -
> Are you pilin' 'em, Dillon, - - - - in a great big heap?
> "Oh, I'm diggin' 'em," says Dillon, "but not enough to fill a boat,
> But I'd be diggin' 'em more if it wasn't for you, you rotten, stinkin' goat!
> Oh, I'd be diggin' 'em more if it wasn't for you, you rotten, stinkin'
> goat!”

> Now Dillon got the fright of his life when he knew what just took place,
> And he said to the good Lord, "'Tis the devil himself come [to] snatch me
> from your grace,
> Come take me for my sacrilege and my rotten life of sin!"
> And he ran like mad down the hill to home and the goat just pitched right in.

> But they say it was a priest just passin' by when he heard old Dillon curse
> On the goat and the spuds and the Lord above for makin' all things worse.
> Just to hush the roars of the heavens above, he thought he'd bid good day,
> And as he passed that garden fence, the good priest he did say: CHORUS

Interesting verses...

> You could never tell Dillon 'twas the priest who spoke to stop his curses
> free,
> Passin' quietly behind the rock so Dillon couldn't see.
> And to this day in Mobile on that grand old southern shore,
> There's a thousand who believe the goat spoke out when Dillon swore! CHORUS

...

On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 10:15:31 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 4:24:43 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 1:55:26 PM UTC-4, General-Zod wrote:
> > > Will Dockery wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:01:16 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> August 21 is National Poets Day.
> > > >> --
> > > >> https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
> > > >> "This could be the final breath; This is life and death;
> > > >> This is hard rock and water; Out here between wind and flame;
> > > >> Between tears and elation; Lies a secret nation" (Ron Hynes)
> > > > Thanks again, David, National Poets Day seems relatively little known.
> > >
> > > > Ping George Dance:
> > >
> > > > This needs to be on the Wiki:
> > >
> > > > https://weirdholiday.com/national-poets-day/
> > > Cool holiday...!
> > Interesting how the trolls here completely ignored National Poets Day.
> >
> > And so it goes.
> The so-called "trolls"

You're not expected to admit to being a troll, Pendragon.

Your actions speak for you, though.

HTH and HAND.

W.Dockery wrote:

> On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 10:15:31 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 4:24:43 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 1:55:26 PM UTC-4, General-Zod wrote:
>> > > Will Dockery wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:01:16 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> August 21 is National Poets Day.
>> > > >> --
>> > > >> https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
>> > > >> "This could be the final breath; This is life and death;
>> > > >> This is hard rock and water; Out here between wind and flame;
>> > > >> Between tears and elation; Lies a secret nation" (Ron Hynes)
>> > > > Thanks again, David, National Poets Day seems relatively little known.
>> > >
>> > > > Ping George Dance:
>> > >
>> > > > This needs to be on the Wiki:
>> > >
>> > > > https://weirdholiday.com/national-poets-day/
>> > > Cool holiday...!
>> > Interesting how the trolls here completely ignored National Poets Day.
>> >
>> > And so it goes.
>> The so-called "trolls"

> You're not expected to admit to being a troll, Pendragon.

> Your actions speak for you, though.

> HTH and HAND.

Pen is a troll and usually seems to be proud of that fact... ha ha.

General-Zod wrote:

> David Dalton wrote:

>> On Aug 21, 2023, General-Zod wrote
>> (in article<65357bdf3c5cd9a87f44bfd29e96e174@news.novabbs.com>):

>>> Will Dockery wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:01:16 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > August 21 is National Poets Day.
>>>
>>> > Thanks again, David, National Poets Day seems relatively little known.
>>>
>>> > Ping George Dance:
>>>
>>> > This needs to be on the Wiki:
>>>
>>> > https://weirdholiday.com/national-poets-day/
>>>
>>> Cool holiday...!

>> You’re welcome.

>> I’m not following alt.arts.poetry.comments so may have
>> missed some posts. (I know, I should follow it.)

> Yep, hope you will join us there...!

> National Poets Day
> Observed annually on August 21st (since 2001)

> https://www.checkiday.com/f791137c8f1401e13c0d8c9cb8e3fc9f/poets-day

> *************This is a day dedicated the crafters of poetry. Poetry has been around for millennia, dating back to the Sumerian's Epic of Gilgamesh. Poetry "uses aesthetic and rhythmic qualities of language", and its meanings go beyond prosaic writing. There are many forms of poetry, such as sonnets, limericks, and haikus, and there are many genres of poetry such as narrative, epic, and lyric. Poets not only write poems, but many times read or perform them in front of an audience. Poets have written in almost every language and style imaginable. Professional poets were sponsored by wealthy patrons in Ancient Rome. During the High Middle Ages, troubadours were travelling poets, who also filled roles as actors and musicians, and were many times sponsored by patrons. During the Renaissance period, patrons also sponsored poets, and many poets did other things besides just write poetry. For example, William Shakespeare also worked in theater. During the Romantic period, during the late 18th century, and going forward, poets were independent writers, but also did other types of work to support themselves.**************

Good find.

Will Dockery wrote:

> General-Zod wrote:

>> David Dalton wrote:

>>> On Aug 21, 2023, General-Zod wrote
>>> (in article<65357bdf3c5cd9a87f44bfd29e96e174@news.novabbs.com>):

>>>> Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:01:16 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > August 21 is National Poets Day.
>>>>
>>>> > Thanks again, David, National Poets Day seems relatively little known.
>>>>
>>>> > Ping George Dance:
>>>>
>>>> > This needs to be on the Wiki:
>>>>
>>>> > https://weirdholiday.com/national-poets-day/
>>>>
>>>> Cool holiday...!

>>> You’re welcome.

>>> I’m not following alt.arts.poetry.comments so may have
>>> missed some posts. (I know, I should follow it.)

>> Yep, hope you will join us there...!

>> National Poets Day
>> Observed annually on August 21st (since 2001)

>> https://www.checkiday.com/f791137c8f1401e13c0d8c9cb8e3fc9f/poets-day

>> *************This is a day dedicated the crafters of poetry. Poetry has been around for millennia, dating back to the Sumerian's Epic of Gilgamesh. Poetry "uses aesthetic and rhythmic qualities of language", and its meanings go beyond prosaic writing. There are many forms of poetry, such as sonnets, limericks, and haikus, and there are many genres of poetry such as narrative, epic, and lyric. Poets not only write poems, but many times read or perform them in front of an audience. Poets have written in almost every language and style imaginable. Professional poets were sponsored by wealthy patrons in Ancient Rome. During the High Middle Ages, troubadours were travelling poets, who also filled roles as actors and musicians, and were many times sponsored by patrons. During the Renaissance period, patrons also sponsored poets, and many poets did other things besides just write poetry. For example, William Shakespeare also worked in theater. During the Romantic period, during the late 18th century, and going forward, poets were independent writers, but also did other types of work to support themselves.**************

> Good find.

Good day to you..!

David Dalton wrote:
>
> Today (August 18, 2023) is Bad Poetry Day.

Again, plenty of examples of that here.

> It is also Never Give Up Day and Serendipity Day.

> I’m still plugging away on alt.religion.druid.

...

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 9:52:15 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 8:29:38 AM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 11:42:49 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:01:16 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >>
>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> August 21 is National Poets Day.
>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> --
>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> "This could be the final breath; This is life and death;
>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> This is hard rock and water; Out here between wind and flame;
>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> Between tears and elation; Lies a secret nation" (Ron Hynes)
>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Thanks again, David, National Poets Day seems relatively little known.
>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Ping George Dance:
>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > This needs to be on the Wiki:
>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > https://weirdholiday.com/national-poets-day/
>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > Cool holiday...!
>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Interesting how the trolls here completely ignored National Poets Day.
>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > And so it goes.
>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> The so-called "trolls"
>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > You're not expected to admit to being a troll, Pendragon.
>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Your actions speak for you, though.
>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > HTH and HAND.
>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Pen is a troll and usually seems to be proud of that fact.... ha ha.
>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > And your own side has said
>> > > > > >> > > > > > > There you go again, Ash, trying to speak for others.
>> > > > > >> > > > > >
>> > > > > >> > > > > > > Lie and misrepresent much?
>> > > > > >> > > > > > Your Trump declarations
>> > > > > >> > > > > Why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Ash?
>> > > > > >> > > > >
>> > > > > >> > > > > Just curious.
>> > > > > >> > > > > as always. Pray, tell us how I'm putting words in people's mouths?
>> > > > > >> > > > > By speaking for them, with your lies and misrepresentations, Ash.
>> > > > > >> > > > Read and weep, if your ego lets you!
>> > > > > >> > > >
>> > > > > >> > > > George J. Dance
>> > > > > >> > > > Nov 4, 2022, 6:06:39 PM
>> > > > > >> > > > On 2022-11-04 4:45 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> > > > > >> > > > < On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 4:36:08 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>> > > > > >> > > > < Soon, so soon, you'll be going off with your trademark "motherfucker"...
>> > > > > >> > > >
>> > > > > >> > > > Why shouldn't he call MMP a motherfucker? What's your problem with that?
>> > > > > >> > > >
>> > > > > >> > > > < As someone said, you have been made into a troll.
>> > > > > >> > > >
>> > > > > >> > > > True: I said that, and I'll be glad to repeat it. Zod wasn't a troll
>> > > > > >> > > > when he joined the group. Jim Senetto made him into one; just as he made
>> > > > > >> > > > you into one.
>> > > > > >> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/dqUNFN2mGxA/m/KHsU575QAgAJ
>> > > > > >> > > No, not really, just another example of Tit for Tat.
>> > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > >> > > HTH and HAND.
>> > > > > >> > How's that from you and yours that claim not to be trolls?
>> > > > > >> > ,,,/-~
>> > > > > >> You're confusing a flame war with trolling, Ash
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> Y'all dish it out but apparently you can't take it.
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> And so it goes.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > You're the one who's confused
>> > > > > No I'm not, Pendragon, but I do know that you're a delusional fuckwit.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Or as Zod described you, you're:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > "A control freak on an ego trip."
>> > > > >
>> > > > > And that's the name of that tune.
>> > > > Is it?
>> > > >
>> > > > Would you agree to show consideration to the oft-expressed wishes of others (no "hello" posts, no necroposting, limiting yourself to 25 posts a day) in exchange for all the "attacks" on you and your flunkies to stop?
>> > > All the attacks?
>> > All the "attacks."
>> >
>> > Please don't post-edit my statements.
>> Okay, I also have a request, Pendragon.
>>
>> Please refer to me by my real name, "Will Dockery."

> Done.

> I'll write up a treaty agreement in a new thread later today, and we'll see how it goes from there.

I am in favor of peace, as well... so if possible, count me in..!

Will Dockery wrote:

> On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 10:47:05 AM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 9:52:15 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 8:29:38 AM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:01:16 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
>
>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> August 21 is National Poets Day.
>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> --
>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> "This could be the final breath; This is life and death;
>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> This is hard rock and water; Out here between wind and flame;
>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> Between tears and elation; Lies a secret nation" (Ron Hynes)
>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Thanks again, David, National Poets Day seems relatively little known.
>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Ping George Dance:
>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > This needs to be on the Wiki:
>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > https://weirdholiday.com/national-poets-day/
>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > Cool holiday...!
>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Interesting how the trolls here completely ignored National Poets Day.
>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > And so it goes.
>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> The so-called "trolls"
>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > You're not expected to admit to being a troll, Pendragon.
>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Your actions speak for you, though.
>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > HTH and HAND.
>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Pen is a troll and usually seems to be proud of that fact.... ha ha.
>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > And your own side has said
>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > There you go again, Ash, trying to speak for others.
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >
>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Lie and misrepresent much?
>> > > > > > >> > > > > > Your Trump declarations
>> > > > > > >> > > > > Why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Ash?
>> > > > > > >> > > > >
>> > > > > > >> > > > > Just curious.
>> > > > > > >> > > > > as always. Pray, tell us how I'm putting words in people's mouths?
>> > > > > > >> > > > > By speaking for them, with your lies and misrepresentations, Ash.
>> > > > > > >> > > > Read and weep, if your ego lets you!
>> > > > > > >> > > >
>> > > > > > >> > > > George J. Dance
>> > > > > > >> > > > Nov 4, 2022, 6:06:39 PM
>> > > > > > >> > > > On 2022-11-04 4:45 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> > > > > > >> > > > < On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 4:36:08 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>> > > > > > >> > > > < Soon, so soon, you'll be going off with your trademark "motherfucker"...
>> > > > > > >> > > >
>> > > > > > >> > > > Why shouldn't he call MMP a motherfucker? What's your problem with that?
>> > > > > > >> > > >
>> > > > > > >> > > > < As someone said, you have been made into a troll.
>> > > > > > >> > > >
>> > > > > > >> > > > True: I said that, and I'll be glad to repeat it. Zod wasn't a troll
>> > > > > > >> > > > when he joined the group. Jim Senetto made him into one; just as he made
>> > > > > > >> > > > you into one.
>> > > > > > >> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/dqUNFN2mGxA/m/KHsU575QAgAJ
>> > > > > > >> > > No, not really, just another example of Tit for Tat.
>> > > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > > >> > > HTH and HAND.
>> > > > > > >> > How's that from you and yours that claim not to be trolls?
>> > > > > > >> > ,,,/-~
>> > > > > > >> You're confusing a flame war with trolling, Ash
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> Y'all dish it out but apparently you can't take it.
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> And so it goes.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > You're the one who's confused
>> > > > > > No I'm not, Pendragon, but I do know that you're a delusional fuckwit.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Or as Zod described you, you're:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > "A control freak on an ego trip."
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > And that's the name of that tune.
>> > > > > Is it?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Would you agree to show consideration to the oft-expressed wishes of others (no "hello" posts, no necroposting, limiting yourself to 25 posts a day) in exchange for all the "attacks" on you and your flunkies to stop?
>> > > > All the attacks?
>> > > All the "attacks."
>> > >
>> > > Please don't post-edit my statements.
>> > Okay, I also have a request, Pendragon.
>> >
>> > Please refer to me by my real name, "Will Dockery."
>> Done.
>>
>> I'll write up a treaty agreement in a new thread later today, and we'll see how it goes from there.

> Okay, I'll have a look and will be interested to see how the rest of the group responds.

> HTH and HAND.

Doc, count me in as a supporter of a valid plan for peace here as well..!

General-Zod wrote:

> Will Dockery wrote:

>> On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 10:47:05 AM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 9:52:15 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>> > On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 8:29:38 AM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:01:16 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
>>
>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> August 21 is National Poets Day.
>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> --
>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> "This could be the final breath; This is life and death;
>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> This is hard rock and water; Out here between wind and flame;
>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> Between tears and elation; Lies a secret nation" (Ron Hynes)
>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Thanks again, David, National Poets Day seems relatively little known.
>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >
>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Ping George Dance:
>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >
>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > This needs to be on the Wiki:
>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >
>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > https://weirdholiday.com/national-poets-day/
>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > Cool holiday...!
>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Interesting how the trolls here completely ignored National Poets Day.

<snipped for focus>
>>> > > > > Would you agree to show consideration to the oft-expressed wishes of others (no "hello" posts, no necroposting, limiting yourself to 25 posts a day) in exchange for all the "attacks" on you and your flunkies to stop?
>>> > > > All the attacks?
>>> > > All the "attacks."
>>> > >
>>> > > Please don't post-edit my statements.
>>> > Okay, I also have a request, Pendragon.
>>> >
>>> > Please refer to me by my real name, "Will Dockery."
>>> Done.
>>>
>>> I'll write up a treaty agreement in a new thread later today, and we'll see how it goes from there.

>> Okay, I'll have a look and will be interested to see how the rest of the group responds.

>> HTH and HAND.

> Doc, count me in as a supporter of a valid plan for peace here as well..!

A couple of points we need to hash out on Pendragon's proposal, such as finding a way that Jordy doesn't have to be shut out, as I won't do that to a friend, but otherwise, the plan Pendragon put out looks very acceptable, basically.

I'm waiting on feedback from the others but it is looking good so far.

:)

Faraway Star wrote:

> On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 2:35:18 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 4:00:29 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> General-Zod wrote:
>>
>> >> > Doc, count me in as a supporter of a valid plan for peace here as well...!
>> >
>> >> A couple of points we need to hash out on Pendragon's proposal, such as finding a way that Jordy doesn't have to be shut out, as I won't do that to a friend, but otherwise, the plan Pendragon put out looks very acceptable, basically.
>> >>
>> >> I'm waiting on feedback from the others but it is looking good so far.
>>
>> > Jordy hasn't been "shut out" -- only his "Hello" posts. Since everyone has 25 posts a day, Jordy could post his links to the Poetry Foundation, youtube, etc., which the majority of us can skip and ignore. If you want to use one of your 25 posts to thank him for posting a link to a poem we're all familiar, you may do so.
>>
>> > Since the Treaty doesn't necessitate that anyone follow the Guidelines, Jordy could even post his rants about President Trump.
>> I've spoken with both George Dance and Zod about this matter, and we've agreed to try to engage Jordy in more discussion of the poetry he finds and posts here.

> Agreed and seconded...

I'll still follow that idea, truce or no truce.

Will Dockery wrote:

> ,roach wrote:
>> On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:10:13 AM UTC-7, W.Dockery wrote:
>> > Faraway Star wrote:
>> > > On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 2:35:18 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >>> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> > >> > On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 4:00:29 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > >> >> General-Zod wrote:
>>
>> > > >> >> > Doc, count me in as a supporter of a valid plan for peace here as well...!
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >> A couple of points we need to hash out on Pendragon's proposal, such as finding a way that Jordy doesn't have to be shut out, as I won't do that to a friend, but otherwise, the plan Pendragon put out looks very acceptable, basically.
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >> I'm waiting on feedback from the others but it is looking good so far.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> > Jordy hasn't been "shut out" -- only his "Hello" posts. Since everyone has 25 posts a day, Jordy could post his links to the Poetry Foundation, youtube, etc., which the majority of us can skip and ignore. If you want to use one of your 25 posts to thank him for posting a link to a poem we're all familiar, you may do so.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> > Since the Treaty doesn't necessitate that anyone follow the Guidelines, Jordy could even post his rants about President Trump.
>> > > >> I've spoken with both George Dance and Zod about this matter, and we've agreed to try to engage Jordy in more discussion of the poetry he finds and posts here.
>> > >
>> > > > Agreed and seconded...
>> > > I'll still follow that idea, truce or no truce.
>>
>> can i still call you wilbur ? (it's a term of endearment. :) like wilbur in the animated classic version of charlotte's web...the cute adorable pig.

> I always liked Wilbur, but thought it came from Mister Ed:

> https://youtu.be/fv5nyFBUGPk?si=BVg56a8iRp1u6zXA

> 🙂

I see Nancy G is going apeshit over this but as usual, she's just showing her true colors as a malicious and stalking troll... ha ha.

David Dalton wrote:
> On Sep 10, 2023, NancyGene wrote
> (in article<069def5b-b510-4243...@googlegroups.com>):
> > On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 5:34:54 AM UTC, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 12:34:26 AM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
> > > > On Sep 9, 2023, NancyGene wrote
> > > > (in article<3dc580fc-5752-4564...@googlegroups.com>):
>
> > > > > Be gone xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx

<Troll snipped>

> > > > I do state I am bipolar on my web page, and don’t appreciate
> > > > derogatory terms of nutter and lunatic; they are hate speech.
> > > >
> > > > My claim on my web page that I am similar to many past
> > > > major and non-pagan religious figures is based on analysis
> > > > of patterns and individual events in my mystic cycles and
> > > > comparison to those of past figures, including Taliesin.
> > > >
> > > > Then why have I not generated a significant body of
> > > > poetry yet? Taliesin experienced a surge in poetic
> > > > creativity late in life, and I expect the same will be true
> > > > for me; indeed my low/working/ascetic/forsaken/wilderness
> > > > years have lasted 27.6 years so far, so long since I
> > > > have a global region, whereas Taliesin’s lasted the common
> > > > seven years (e.g. Jacob’s and Rama’s lasted 14 years).
> > > >
> > > > But perhaps you are referring to my Sisyphean attempts
> > > > to magickally instigate a new age as I am reporting
> > > > on alt.religion.druid? Since I am similar to some past
> > > > major figures I expect there will be some magick associated
> > > > with me. But I can’t be said to be delusional since I
> > > > won’t believe that my attempts are working without evidence.
> > > > However perhaps I will have to wait until my low years
> > > > reach 29 years (the common 7 plus three 11 year sunspot
> > > > cycles).
> > > OMFG!!! You were right, as per usual, NancyGene.
> >
> > Was there ever a doubt?
> > >
> > > This guy exemplifies the term "Fruitcake."
> > Let us take a not-so-wild guess and say that Mr. Dalton is unemployed and
> > unemployable.
> Make that Dr. Dalton, I have a Ph.D. in geophysics which I obtained
> in May of 2018
>
> From 2019 until very recently I was a part-time Research Assistant I
> at Memorial University.
>
> During the pandemic I wasn’t actively looking for a postdoctoral
> fellowship but may resume doing so soon, but that may require
> me to come up with a bright idea, possibly related to
> cetacean communication.
>
> From early 2022 until recently I also temporarily shelved my
> academic aspirations to help look after my ill brother, but
> he has now moved to a long term care home so that has
> come to an end, unless he can get stronger and return home.
>
> One avenue open to me is to also get involved in tutoring.
>
> I allow myself to be more eccentric online and my relations
> with other people offline are quite stable.
>
> You should note that the incidence of bipolar disorder among
> poets and their family members is quite a bit higher than
> in the general population. You might want to read
> Kay Jamison’s book Touched with Fire: Manic-Depressive
> Illness and the Artistic Temperament.
> --
> https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
> "And the cart is on a wheel; And the wheel is on a hill;
> And the hill is shifting sand; And inside these laws we stand” (Ferron)

Interesting information, which should be moved from this troll thread, which I'll do, shortly.

Thanks again, and again, welcome, Dr. Dalton.

(Moved from the troll thread.)

🙂

Will Dockery wrote:

> David Dalton wrote:
>> On Sep 10, 2023, NancyGene wrote
>> (in article<069def5b-b510-4243...@googlegroups.com>):
>> > On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 5:34:54 AM UTC, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> > > On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 12:34:26 AM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
>> > > > On Sep 9, 2023, NancyGene wrote
>> > > > (in article<3dc580fc-5752-4564...@googlegroups.com>):
>>
>> > > > > Be gone xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx

> <Troll snipped>

>> > > > I do state I am bipolar on my web page, and don’t appreciate
>> > > > derogatory terms of nutter and lunatic; they are hate speech.
>> > > >
>> > > > My claim on my web page that I am similar to many past
>> > > > major and non-pagan religious figures is based on analysis
>> > > > of patterns and individual events in my mystic cycles and
>> > > > comparison to those of past figures, including Taliesin.
>> > > >
>> > > > Then why have I not generated a significant body of
>> > > > poetry yet? Taliesin experienced a surge in poetic
>> > > > creativity late in life, and I expect the same will be true
>> > > > for me; indeed my low/working/ascetic/forsaken/wilderness
>> > > > years have lasted 27.6 years so far, so long since I
>> > > > have a global region, whereas Taliesin’s lasted the common
>> > > > seven years (e.g. Jacob’s and Rama’s lasted 14 years).
>> > > >
>> > > > But perhaps you are referring to my Sisyphean attempts
>> > > > to magickally instigate a new age as I am reporting
>> > > > on alt.religion.druid? Since I am similar to some past
>> > > > major figures I expect there will be some magick associated
>> > > > with me. But I can’t be said to be delusional since I
>> > > > won’t believe that my attempts are working without evidence.
>> > > > However perhaps I will have to wait until my low years
>> > > > reach 29 years (the common 7 plus three 11 year sunspot
>> > > > cycles).
>> > > OMFG!!! You were right, as per usual, NancyGene.
>> >
>> > Was there ever a doubt?
>> > >
>> > > This guy exemplifies the term "Fruitcake."
>> > Let us take a not-so-wild guess and say that Mr. Dalton is unemployed and
>> > unemployable.
>> Make that Dr. Dalton, I have a Ph.D. in geophysics which I obtained
>> in May of 2018
>>
>> From 2019 until very recently I was a part-time Research Assistant I
>> at Memorial University.
>>
>> During the pandemic I wasn’t actively looking for a postdoctoral
>> fellowship but may resume doing so soon, but that may require
>> me to come up with a bright idea, possibly related to
>> cetacean communication.
>>
>> From early 2022 until recently I also temporarily shelved my
>> academic aspirations to help look after my ill brother, but
>> he has now moved to a long term care home so that has
>> come to an end, unless he can get stronger and return home.
>>
>> One avenue open to me is to also get involved in tutoring.
>>
>> I allow myself to be more eccentric online and my relations
>> with other people offline are quite stable.
>>
>> You should note that the incidence of bipolar disorder among
>> poets and their family members is quite a bit higher than
>> in the general population. You might want to read
>> Kay Jamison’s book Touched with Fire: Manic-Depressive
>> Illness and the Artistic Temperament.
>> --
>> https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
>> "And the cart is on a wheel; And the wheel is on a hill;
>> And the hill is shifting sand; And inside these laws we stand” (Ferron)

> Interesting information, which should be moved from this troll thread, which I'll do, shortly.

> Thanks again, and again, welcome, Dr. Dalton.

Quite interesting indeed, I would have missed it since it was posted on a troll thread and I often ignore and skip those types of foolishness...!