On 04/02/2024 02:24, Cryptoengineer wrote:
> On 2/3/2024 7:13 PM, Mike Van Pelt wrote:
>> In article <CESsN.67750$zqTf.38643@fx35.iad>,
>> Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>> Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> Can people see this message?
>>
>> Saw it.
>>
>>> Yes.  I recommend xrn if you're using linux.  supports threading,
>>> very lightweight (Xaw toolkit).
>>
>> I'm not familiar with xrn, but I am with trn.  Also runs under
>> Linux.  Given the name, I wouldn't be surprised if xrn was
>> pretty similar.
>>
>> trn, at least, runs in "Linux Subsystem for Windows", which
>> is how I'm running it now. You can install it with a simple
>> "apt get". This might also be true of xrn.
>>
>> A few times in the past, unsatisifed with gui forum software,
>> I've thought about what I would want in the ideal online forum
>> software. Every time, I didn't get far before I realized I was
>> re-inventing the most recent trn 4.0.  (where "most recent" is
>> a couple decades old at this point.)
>
> I built trn from source under Linux a few years ago, when we
> were getting excited over the use of UTF-8.
>
> At the moment I'm using Thunderbird on Windows. There are some
> niggling irritations. I wonder if they can be worked around.
>
> 1. The 'Reply' button prominently displayed at the top of a
> message sends an email - it does not reply to the group.
> When I do 'reply to all', it posts to the group, but also emails
> the person who wrote what I'm replying to. I'd rather only
> post to group.
>
> 2. While I've managed to get a threaded display, I can't sort
> by 'thread most recently updated'. I can 'show only new threads',
> but that doesn't show threads where I've already read  some of the
> replies. I'm forced to scroll down looking for thread entries
> which are underlined, and have new replies.

It's looking like I can press Back and Forward
keys (B, F) to step through the message list,
and Next and Previous for unread messages only.
But if I go past the last current message, then
suddenly I'm reading something from 2013.
Returning to 2024 isn't straightforward because
I'm using a Windows tablet in portrait orientation,
and a lot of keystrokes and other actions
are awkward.

On Mon, 5 Feb 2024 11:27:10 +0000, Robert Carnegie
<rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 04/02/2024 02:24, Cryptoengineer wrote:
>> On 2/3/2024 7:13 PM, Mike Van Pelt wrote:
>>> In article <CESsN.67750$zqTf.38643@fx35.iad>,
>>> Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>>> Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>> Can people see this message?
>>>
>>> Saw it.
>>>
>>>> Yes.  I recommend xrn if you're using linux.  supports threading,
>>>> very lightweight (Xaw toolkit).
>>>
>>> I'm not familiar with xrn, but I am with trn.  Also runs under
>>> Linux.  Given the name, I wouldn't be surprised if xrn was
>>> pretty similar.
>>>
>>> trn, at least, runs in "Linux Subsystem for Windows", which
>>> is how I'm running it now. You can install it with a simple
>>> "apt get". This might also be true of xrn.
>>>
>>> A few times in the past, unsatisifed with gui forum software,
>>> I've thought about what I would want in the ideal online forum
>>> software. Every time, I didn't get far before I realized I was
>>> re-inventing the most recent trn 4.0.  (where "most recent" is
>>> a couple decades old at this point.)
>>
>> I built trn from source under Linux a few years ago, when we
>> were getting excited over the use of UTF-8.
>>
>> At the moment I'm using Thunderbird on Windows. There are some
>> niggling irritations. I wonder if they can be worked around.
>>
>> 1. The 'Reply' button prominently displayed at the top of a
>> message sends an email - it does not reply to the group.
>> When I do 'reply to all', it posts to the group, but also emails
>> the person who wrote what I'm replying to. I'd rather only
>> post to group.
>>
>> 2. While I've managed to get a threaded display, I can't sort
>> by 'thread most recently updated'. I can 'show only new threads',
>> but that doesn't show threads where I've already read  some of the
>> replies. I'm forced to scroll down looking for thread entries
>> which are underlined, and have new replies.
>
>It's looking like I can press Back and Forward
>keys (B, F) to step through the message list,
>and Next and Previous for unread messages only.
>But if I go past the last current message, then
>suddenly I'm reading something from 2013.
>Returning to 2024 isn't straightforward because
>I'm using a Windows tablet in portrait orientation,
>and a lot of keystrokes and other actions
>are awkward.

Just speaking generally here, but it seems to me that any Back/Forward
facility that loops in /one/ direction, so that 2013 is "Forward" from
2024, should loop in the /other/ direction as well.

Not saying it does in this case, of course, but only that not being
able to do so should be regarded as a Design Flaw.

Perhaps you can request a change ...
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

On 2/4/2024 8:16 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 1. The 'Reply' button prominently displayed at the top of a
>> message sends an email - it does not reply to the group.
>> When I do 'reply to all', it posts to the group, but also emails
>> the person who wrote what I'm replying to. I'd rather only
>> post to group.
>
> What you want to do is post a followup, not a reply. (I don't know what
> is involved in doing this with Thunderbird but that is the terminology
> used in the Usenet documentation).

Thanks, I figured that out.

Now, if I could just get it to display thread updated since I was last
on, without them being buried in pages of dead threads....

pt

On 2/5/2024 6:27 AM, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> On 04/02/2024 02:24, Cryptoengineer wrote:
>> On 2/3/2024 7:13 PM, Mike Van Pelt wrote:
>>> In article <CESsN.67750$zqTf.38643@fx35.iad>,
>>> Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>>> Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>> Can people see this message?
>>>
>>> Saw it.
>>>
>>>> Yes.  I recommend xrn if you're using linux.  supports threading,
>>>> very lightweight (Xaw toolkit).
>>>
>>> I'm not familiar with xrn, but I am with trn.  Also runs under
>>> Linux.  Given the name, I wouldn't be surprised if xrn was
>>> pretty similar.
>>>
>>> trn, at least, runs in "Linux Subsystem for Windows", which
>>> is how I'm running it now. You can install it with a simple
>>> "apt get". This might also be true of xrn.
>>>
>>> A few times in the past, unsatisifed with gui forum software,
>>> I've thought about what I would want in the ideal online forum
>>> software. Every time, I didn't get far before I realized I was
>>> re-inventing the most recent trn 4.0.  (where "most recent" is
>>> a couple decades old at this point.)
>>
>> I built trn from source under Linux a few years ago, when we
>> were getting excited over the use of UTF-8.
>>
>> At the moment I'm using Thunderbird on Windows. There are some
>> niggling irritations. I wonder if they can be worked around.
>>
>> 1. The 'Reply' button prominently displayed at the top of a
>> message sends an email - it does not reply to the group.
>> When I do 'reply to all', it posts to the group, but also emails
>> the person who wrote what I'm replying to. I'd rather only
>> post to group.
>>
>> 2. While I've managed to get a threaded display, I can't sort
>> by 'thread most recently updated'. I can 'show only new threads',
>> but that doesn't show threads where I've already read  some of the
>> replies. I'm forced to scroll down looking for thread entries
>> which are underlined, and have new replies.
>
> It's looking like I can press Back and Forward
> keys (B, F) to step through the message list,
> and Next and Previous for unread messages only.
> But if I go past the last current message, then
> suddenly I'm reading something from 2013.
> Returning to 2024 isn't straightforward because
> I'm using a Windows tablet in portrait orientation,
> and a lot of keystrokes and other actions
> are awkward.
>

Cool! That pretty much solves the problem for me.

Thanks!

pt

On 2/5/2024 9:26 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
> On 2/4/2024 8:16 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>> Cryptoengineer  <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 1. The 'Reply' button prominently displayed at the top of a
>>> message sends an email - it does not reply to the group.
>>> When I do 'reply to all', it posts to the group, but also emails
>>> the person who wrote what I'm replying to. I'd rather only
>>> post to group.
>>
>> What you want to do is post a followup, not a reply.  (I don't know what
>> is involved in doing this with Thunderbird but that is the terminology
>> used in the Usenet documentation).
>
> Thanks, I figured that out.
>
> Now, if I could just get it to display thread updated since I was last
> on, without them being buried in pages of dead threads....
>
View - Threads - Threads With Unread.

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

On 05/02/2024 17:31, Cryptoengineer wrote:
> On 2/5/2024 6:27 AM, Robert Carnegie wrote:
>> On 04/02/2024 02:24, Cryptoengineer wrote:
>>> On 2/3/2024 7:13 PM, Mike Van Pelt wrote:
>>>> In article <CESsN.67750$zqTf.38643@fx35.iad>,
>>>> Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>>>> Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>> Can people see this message?
>>>>
>>>> Saw it.
>>>>
>>>>> Yes.  I recommend xrn if you're using linux.  supports threading,
>>>>> very lightweight (Xaw toolkit).
>>>>
>>>> I'm not familiar with xrn, but I am with trn.  Also runs under
>>>> Linux.  Given the name, I wouldn't be surprised if xrn was
>>>> pretty similar.
>>>>
>>>> trn, at least, runs in "Linux Subsystem for Windows", which
>>>> is how I'm running it now. You can install it with a simple
>>>> "apt get". This might also be true of xrn.
>>>>
>>>> A few times in the past, unsatisifed with gui forum software,
>>>> I've thought about what I would want in the ideal online forum
>>>> software. Every time, I didn't get far before I realized I was
>>>> re-inventing the most recent trn 4.0.  (where "most recent" is
>>>> a couple decades old at this point.)
>>>
>>> I built trn from source under Linux a few years ago, when we
>>> were getting excited over the use of UTF-8.
>>>
>>> At the moment I'm using Thunderbird on Windows. There are some
>>> niggling irritations. I wonder if they can be worked around.
>>>
>>> 1. The 'Reply' button prominently displayed at the top of a
>>> message sends an email - it does not reply to the group.
>>> When I do 'reply to all', it posts to the group, but also emails
>>> the person who wrote what I'm replying to. I'd rather only
>>> post to group.
>>>
>>> 2. While I've managed to get a threaded display, I can't sort
>>> by 'thread most recently updated'. I can 'show only new threads',
>>> but that doesn't show threads where I've already read  some of the
>>> replies. I'm forced to scroll down looking for thread entries
>>> which are underlined, and have new replies.
>>
>> It's looking like I can press Back and Forward
>> keys (B, F) to step through the message list,
>> and Next and Previous for unread messages only.
>> But if I go past the last current message, then
>> suddenly I'm reading something from 2013.
>> Returning to 2024 isn't straightforward because
>> I'm using a Windows tablet in portrait orientation,
>> and a lot of keystrokes and other actions
>> are awkward.
>>
>
> Cool! That pretty much solves the problem for me.
>
> Thanks!
>
> pt

More here:
<https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/keyboard-shortcuts-thunderbird>

On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 14:53:08 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

>Yes, and this thread is threaded in Thunderbird on Windows 11.
>
>My Inbox on TB threads but I do not want it to. That is a recent change.
>
Yes I'm having that problem too though I'm running Thunderbird on Win
10.

On 11/02/24 13:56, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 14:53:08 -0600, Lynn McGuire
> <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, and this thread is threaded in Thunderbird on Windows 11.
>>
>> My Inbox on TB threads but I do not want it to. That is a recent change.
>>
> Yes I'm having that problem too though I'm running Thunderbird on Win
> 10.

I'm running the Linux version which I would assume is the same.
Each folder can be set independently.

Open Folder
View
Sort By
Unthreaded (Right down the bottom.)

On 2/10/2024 7:56 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 14:53:08 -0600, Lynn McGuire
> <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, and this thread is threaded in Thunderbird on Windows 11.
>>
>> My Inbox on TB threads but I do not want it to. That is a recent change.
>>
> Yes I'm having that problem too though I'm running Thunderbird on Win
> 10.

After some initial hiccups, I'm pretty happy with TB on Win 10.

pt

On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 13:09:22 -0500, Cryptoengineer
<petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

>After some initial hiccups, I'm pretty happy with TB on Win 10.

I use Thunderbird for e-mail (on Win 10) but not for newsgroups - but
then I'm interested in binaries. Have done for 20+ years and the only
time I've been unhappy is with the current version since I strongly
dislike the collapsing of threads in the current version of TB.

(And would be obliged if someone could tell me how to turn it off)

On 27/01/2024 06:40, Dave wrote:
> On 1/26/24 10:22, -dsr- wrote:
>> On 2024-01-26, Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I reactivated an eternal September account I set up many years ago, and
>>> am currently trying Thunderbird. I'm not completely happy with it - if
>>> there's a threaded tree display I haven't found it, and I worry that it
>>> may not play nice with my gmail account (10Gb, 53k messages, which I
>>> need to use from many devices, mostly by web).
>>>
>>> Can people see this message?
>>
>> Path:
>> uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
>>
>> Yup.
>>
>> -dsr-
>
>
> I can see the reply from -dsr- but not the original message. I don't
> know whether it is eternal-september, Thunderbird or both that is acting
> up. I have to shut down Thunderbird every day in order to read in new
> messages. If I don't wait for a bit before restarting up, I get no new
> messages. If I wait, then I get new messages, but apparently not all of
> them, like I said previously. I only see Cryptoengineer quoted in dsr's
> reply. This is aggravating.

To read in new messages, right click on your Usenet server in the
left-hand pane, and select "Get Messages".

Cheers,
Gary B-)

On 2/13/2024 2:01 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 13:09:22 -0500, Cryptoengineer
> <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> After some initial hiccups, I'm pretty happy with TB on Win 10.
>
> I use Thunderbird for e-mail (on Win 10) but not for newsgroups - but
> then I'm interested in binaries. Have done for 20+ years and the only
> time I've been unhappy is with the current version since I strongly
> dislike the collapsing of threads in the current version of TB.
>
> (And would be obliged if someone could tell me how to turn it off)

Uncheck the pulldown menu item View / Sort By / Threaded.

Lynn