This EV owner has appealed for his unfortunate experience to be a
warning to others contemplating buying an electric car. Take heed, and
learn from his experience if you are wise....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77Yo4LpksWM

On 30/03/2024 22:21, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> This EV owner has appealed for his unfortunate experience to be a
> warning to others contemplating buying an electric car. Take heed, and
> learn from his experience if you are wise....
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77Yo4LpksWM

Well we tried to tell people.

--
"Nature does not give up the winter because people dislike the cold."

― Confucius

On 30/03/2024 22:21, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> This EV owner has appealed for his unfortunate experience to be a
> warning to others contemplating buying an electric car. Take heed, and
> learn from his experience if you are wise....
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77Yo4LpksWM

I've seen this video some weeks back. It's long and tedious and he likes
the sound of his own voice - he keeps promising details but then rattles
on about something else.

The actual details can be found at
https://youtu.be/77Yo4LpksWM?t=1233

What you do miss is his complaints about the inconvenience and time
taken to charge if on a journey.

Paid £120k for the EV 3 years ago.
Dealer doesn't want it back in part exchange for ICE car. The new model
of the EV has been released and the dealer has too many unsold older
models on his forecourt.
Second hand value of the car from the companies that "buy anything" is
around £40k and falling fast (lowest quote was less than £27k).

Observation. I run and ad blocker on my browser. If I cut and paste the
the original link I get no adverts. If I click on the original link I do
get adverts.

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On 30/03/2024 22:21, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> This EV owner has appealed for his unfortunate experience to be a
> warning to others contemplating buying an electric car. Take heed, and
> learn from his experience if you are wise....
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77Yo4LpksWM
>
That guy is renowned for his stupid youtube videos - buys a top end
luxury EV and then makes money to pay for it by knocking his purchase.
Very entertaining for the tin foil hat brigade.
Personally having owned EVs for the last 7 years I would never go back
to a primitive oil burning appliance.

On 31/03/2024 03:39, alan_m wrote:
> On 30/03/2024 22:21, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> This EV owner has appealed for his unfortunate experience to be a
>> warning to others contemplating buying an electric car. Take heed, and
>> learn from his experience if you are wise....
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77Yo4LpksWM
>
>
> I've seen this video some weeks back. It's long and tedious and he likes
> the sound of his own voice - he keeps promising details but then rattles
> on about something else.

I got that impression a few minutes in and decided that I had better way
to spend 25 minutes of my time.

> The actual details can be found at
> https://youtu.be/77Yo4LpksWM?t=1233
>
> What you do miss is his complaints about the inconvenience and time
> taken to charge if on a journey.
>
>
> Paid £120k for the EV 3 years ago.
> Dealer doesn't want it back in part exchange for ICE car. The new model
> of the EV has been released and the dealer has too many unsold older
> models on his forecourt.
> Second hand value of the car from the companies that "buy anything" is
> around £40k and falling fast (lowest quote was less than £27k).

High end cars have always lost value quickly, often halving in value
when first driven out of the dealership.

>
> Observation. I run and ad blocker on my browser. If I cut and paste the
> the original link I get no adverts. If I click on the original link I do
> get adverts.
>

--
Colin Bignell

On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 08:13:42 +0100, Andy Bennett <aben@ben37j.com>
wrote:

>On 30/03/2024 22:21, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> This EV owner has appealed for his unfortunate experience to be a
>> warning to others contemplating buying an electric car. Take heed, and
>> learn from his experience if you are wise....
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77Yo4LpksWM
>>
>That guy is renowned for his stupid youtube videos - buys a top end
>luxury EV and then makes money to pay for it by knocking his purchase.
>Very entertaining for the tin foil hat brigade.

Don't watch the video in the link, people! Nothing to see here, move
on, move on! ;->

Andy Bennett <aben@ben37j.com> wrote:
> On 30/03/2024 22:21, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> This EV owner has appealed for his unfortunate experience to be a
>> warning to others contemplating buying an electric car. Take heed, and
>> learn from his experience if you are wise....
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77Yo4LpksWM
>>
> That guy is renowned for his stupid youtube videos - buys a top end
> luxury EV and then makes money to pay for it by knocking his purchase.
> Very entertaining for the tin foil hat brigade.
> Personally having owned EVs for the last 7 years I would never go back
> to a primitive oil burning appliance.
>

Ditto. I’ve just looked at my fuel cost for my EV last year. 16,000 miles
for under £300.

Tim

--
Please don't feed the trolls

On 31/03/2024 08:13, Andy Bennett wrote:
> On 30/03/2024 22:21, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> This EV owner has appealed for his unfortunate experience to be a
>> warning to others contemplating buying an electric car. Take heed, and
>> learn from his experience if you are wise....
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77Yo4LpksWM
>>
> That guy is renowned for his stupid youtube videos - buys a top end
> luxury EV and then makes money to pay for it by knocking his purchase.
> Very entertaining for the tin foil hat brigade.
> Personally having owned EVs for the last 7 years I would never go back
> to a primitive oil burning appliance.

The virtue is oozing out of your piety
--
"Women actually are capable of being far more than the feminists will
let them."

On 31/03/2024 10:47, Tim+ wrote:
> Andy Bennett <aben@ben37j.com> wrote:
>> On 30/03/2024 22:21, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>> This EV owner has appealed for his unfortunate experience to be a
>>> warning to others contemplating buying an electric car. Take heed, and
>>> learn from his experience if you are wise....
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77Yo4LpksWM
>>>
>> That guy is renowned for his stupid youtube videos - buys a top end
>> luxury EV and then makes money to pay for it by knocking his purchase.
>> Very entertaining for the tin foil hat brigade.
>> Personally having owned EVs for the last 7 years I would never go back
>> to a primitive oil burning appliance.
>>
>
> Ditto. I’ve just looked at my fuel cost for my EV last year. 16,000 miles
> for under £300.
>
> Tim
>
wait till you have to pay excise duty on the electricity/buy a new
battery/try to sell the car

--
“People believe certain stories because everyone important tells them,
and people tell those stories because everyone important believes them.
Indeed, when a conventional wisdom is at its fullest strength, one’s
agreement with that conventional wisdom becomes almost a litmus test of
one’s suitability to be taken seriously.”

Paul Krugman

On 31/03/2024 10:47, Tim+ wrote:

> Ditto. I’ve just looked at my fuel cost for my EV last year. 16,000 miles
> for under £300.

Was all this home charging or did you have to wait many hours charging
during journeys?

But in 5 or 10 years time is the cost of running a EV going to be as
cheap as the Government would need to claw back the 25+ billion
currently obtained from fuel duty and road fund taxes.

An EV may make sense today, cost of fuel wise, but when you need to
replace it will the same be true. Is this golden age for having a EV in
much the same way as early adopters of solar were given generous bribes
in the way of FIT payments?

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On 31/03/2024 08:13, Andy Bennett wrote:
> On 30/03/2024 22:21, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> This EV owner has appealed for his unfortunate experience to be a
>> warning to others contemplating buying an electric car. Take heed, and
>> learn from his experience if you are wise....
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77Yo4LpksWM
>>
> That guy is renowned for his stupid youtube videos - buys a top end
> luxury EV and then makes money to pay for it by knocking his purchase.
> Very entertaining for the tin foil hat brigade.
> Personally having owned EVs for the last 7 years I would never go back
> to a primitive oil burning appliance.

My primitive oil burning appliance has a 600+ mile range and can
recharge in minutes. When an EV can match that, I might consider one,
but I will probably be dead long before that happens.

--
Colin Bignell

On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 08:13:42 +0100, Andy Bennett wrote:

> Personally having owned EVs for the last 7 years I would never go back
> to a primitive oil burning appliance.

I've driven an EV for a few weeks and it was fine.

But I wouldn't own one unless someone else dealt with the overheads.

On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 11:41:22 +0100, alan_m wrote:

> But in 5 or 10 years time is the cost of running a EV going to be as
> cheap as the Government would need to claw back the 25+ billion
> currently obtained from fuel duty and road fund taxes.

Less the countless billions to upgrade the grid.

And you still need to address the elephant in the room about somehow or
other reversing millennia of common law and giving private houses the
rights over the public highway where they don't exist today.

Always illuminating to see what *isn't* being talked about.

On 3/30/2024 10:39 PM, alan_m wrote:
> On 30/03/2024 22:21, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> This EV owner has appealed for his unfortunate experience to be a
>> warning to others contemplating buying an electric car. Take heed, and
>> learn from his experience if you are wise....
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77Yo4LpksWM
>
>
> I've seen this video some weeks back. It's long and tedious and he likes the sound of his own voice - he keeps promising details but then rattles on about something else.
>
> The actual details can be found at
> https://youtu.be/77Yo4LpksWM?t=1233
>
> What you do miss is his complaints about the inconvenience and time taken to charge if on a journey.
>
>
> Paid £120k for the EV 3 years ago.
> Dealer doesn't want it back in part exchange for ICE car. The new model of the EV has been released and the dealer has too many unsold older models on his forecourt.
> Second hand value of the car from the companies that "buy anything" is around £40k and falling fast (lowest quote was less than £27k).
>
> Observation. I run and ad blocker on my browser. If I cut and paste the the original link I get no adverts. If I click on the original link I do get adverts.
>

Buys a Taycan.
Has buyers remorse.
My surprised face.

You're supposed to buy those and hold them,
and when the market is right... make your move.
You're not walking down to the pawn shop after
a bad day, and trying to get a pittance for it.
The £27k, by the way, is intended as an insult
by the buyer. The battery pack is worth that much,
parted out.

*******

https://motorway.co.uk/sell-my-car/guides/electric-car-depreciation

"At the moment, electric cars are thought to retain about 48%
of their original value after three years, which puts them
marginally ahead of the combustion engine counterparts."

Wow. A blood bath. Even a posh ICE isn't a safe buy.

Glad I bought a pedal bicycle :-) When stolen, my bicycle
is worth roughly 3% of the purchase price (a days drugs
for one of our fine citizens).

*******

See, there is full disclosure. You don't have to look that far.

https://www.insideevsforum.com/community/index.php?threads/2022-cooper-se-residuals.11962/

"TL, DR: It's a crapshoot. :) Buy it, drive it, enjoy it,
expect to lose money on it no matter what you buy. "

Looking at a recent battery curve, a Tesla Model S is
looking like 13 years to 70% capacity. Maybe the owner
would then get another 4 years out of it, before that
particular pack wasn't practical. Capacity is linear over
a portion of the curve, but the capacity loss accelerates
a bit near the end.

There are multiple battery chemistries in the fleet,
and it'll be interesting to see how the two pack types
in the Model 3 pan out. One of them should last 3 or 4
years longer than the other (the longer life battery
pack car [LFP], has slightly less acceleration).

The Taycan owner has nothing to complain about. It's
still a ride. It still drives. Imagine you're one
of these people... This could be one of the cars
without a heat pump and a heating/cooling loop for
temperature control on the pack. You want to check
your ride is properly constructed (uses same components
as fleet average uses). I wonder what the resale
value of this is.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/leaf-nissan-owners-legal-action-battery-service-1.7148537

Would the owner of one of these, be wibbling about the economics ?
Even a Nigerian oil prince would think twice. Think of the
tyres this would go through, and what a set of tyres would cost.

https://www.evo.co.uk/rimac/nevera

Paul

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
> Buys a Taycan.
> Has buyers remorse.
> My surprised face.
>
> You're supposed to buy those and hold them,
> and when the market is right... make your move.
> You're not walking down to the pawn shop after
> a bad day, and trying to get a pittance for it.
> The £27k, by the way, is intended as an insult
> by the buyer. The battery pack is worth that much,
> parted out.

Autotrader, Taycan, 2022, private sale:
prices range from £55k to £98.5k

So even simply throwing up an advert there should get him a better price than
We Buy Any Car are offering (who are just buying up stock for BCA auctions).

Theo

On 31/03/2024 14:45, Theo wrote:
> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>> Buys a Taycan.
>> Has buyers remorse.
>> My surprised face.
>>
>> You're supposed to buy those and hold them,
>> and when the market is right... make your move.
>> You're not walking down to the pawn shop after
>> a bad day, and trying to get a pittance for it.
>> The £27k, by the way, is intended as an insult
>> by the buyer. The battery pack is worth that much,
>> parted out.
>
> Autotrader, Taycan, 2022, private sale:
> prices range from £55k to £98.5k
>
> So even simply throwing up an advert there should get him a better price than
> We Buy Any Car are offering (who are just buying up stock for BCA auctions).
>
> Theo

However, if you want to make a video about how much your car has
depreciated, WBAC is the place to go for a price.

--
Colin Bignell

On 31/03/2024 13:37, Paul wrote:
> "At the moment, electric cars are thought to retain about 48%
> of their original value after three years, which puts them
> marginally ahead of the combustion engine counterparts."

I got 50% after 7 years on a TD5 country station wagon Defender
--
“Some people like to travel by train because it combines the slowness of
a car with the cramped public exposure of 
an airplane.”

Dennis Miller

On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 22:15:36 +1100, Colin Bignell
<cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

> On 31/03/2024 08:13, Andy Bennett wrote:
>> On 30/03/2024 22:21, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>> This EV owner has appealed for his unfortunate experience to be a
>>> warning to others contemplating buying an electric car. Take heed, and
>>> learn from his experience if you are wise....
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77Yo4LpksWM
>>>
>> That guy is renowned for his stupid youtube videos - buys a top end
>> luxury EV and then makes money to pay for it by knocking his purchase.
>> Very entertaining for the tin foil hat brigade.
>> Personally having owned EVs for the last 7 years I would never go back
>> to a primitive oil burning appliance.
>
> My primitive oil burning appliance has a 600+ mile range and can
> recharge in minutes. When an EV can match that, I might consider one,

Even then I wouldnt essentially because of the other downsides
like how long they last and the problem with heating and cooling
for pax comfort and stuff like defrosting the windscreen etc.

> but I will probably be dead long before that happens.

On 31 Mar 2024 at 12:15:36 BST, "Colin Bignell" <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk>
wrote:

> On 31/03/2024 08:13, Andy Bennett wrote:
>> On 30/03/2024 22:21, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>> This EV owner has appealed for his unfortunate experience to be a
>>> warning to others contemplating buying an electric car. Take heed, and
>>> learn from his experience if you are wise....
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77Yo4LpksWM
>>>
>> That guy is renowned for his stupid youtube videos - buys a top end
>> luxury EV and then makes money to pay for it by knocking his purchase.
>> Very entertaining for the tin foil hat brigade.
>> Personally having owned EVs for the last 7 years I would never go back
>> to a primitive oil burning appliance.
>
> My primitive oil burning appliance has a 600+ mile range and can
> recharge in minutes. When an EV can match that, I might consider one,
> but I will probably be dead long before that happens.

Nothing beats a tank of diesel for energy density. And the recharge rate is
around 6MW. Which is going to be 6kV at 1000 amps.

--
27/6/1975 - Herbert Kiebler shot and killed trying to cross Berlin Wall.

"A reminder that the defining characteristic of a socialist regime is coercion, not equality."

Dan Hannan

On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 11:41:12 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 31/03/2024 10:47, Tim+ wrote:
>> Andy Bennett <aben@ben37j.com> wrote:
>>> On 30/03/2024 22:21, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>> This EV owner has appealed for his unfortunate experience to be a
>>>> warning to others contemplating buying an electric car. Take heed, and
>>>> learn from his experience if you are wise....
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77Yo4LpksWM
>>>>
>>> That guy is renowned for his stupid youtube videos - buys a top end
>>> luxury EV and then makes money to pay for it by knocking his purchase.
>>> Very entertaining for the tin foil hat brigade.
>>> Personally having owned EVs for the last 7 years I would never go back
>>> to a primitive oil burning appliance.
>>>
>>
>> Ditto. I’ve just looked at my fuel cost for my EV last year. 16,000 miles
>> for under £300.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>wait till you have to pay excise duty on the electricity/buy a new
>battery/try to sell the car

EVers don't seem to appreciate the fact that the rest of us are paying
taxes so they can enjoy subsidies on their economically non-viable
cars. That won't last much longer, though...

On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 12:15:36 +0100, Colin Bignell
<cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> wrote:

>On 31/03/2024 08:13, Andy Bennett wrote:
>> On 30/03/2024 22:21, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>> This EV owner has appealed for his unfortunate experience to be a
>>> warning to others contemplating buying an electric car. Take heed, and
>>> learn from his experience if you are wise....
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77Yo4LpksWM
>>>
>> That guy is renowned for his stupid youtube videos - buys a top end
>> luxury EV and then makes money to pay for it by knocking his purchase.
>> Very entertaining for the tin foil hat brigade.
>> Personally having owned EVs for the last 7 years I would never go back
>> to a primitive oil burning appliance.
>
>My primitive oil burning appliance has a 600+ mile range and can
>recharge in minutes. When an EV can match that, I might consider one,
>but I will probably be dead long before that happens.

No rush. BMW have dropped their plans to go EV-only on the timescales
the Greenies wanted and have re-commenced developing more efficient
diesels instead.

On 01/04/2024 00:37, Dan Green wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 11:41:12 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 31/03/2024 10:47, Tim+ wrote:
>>> Andy Bennett <aben@ben37j.com> wrote:
>>>> On 30/03/2024 22:21, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>>> This EV owner has appealed for his unfortunate experience to be a
>>>>> warning to others contemplating buying an electric car. Take heed, and
>>>>> learn from his experience if you are wise....
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77Yo4LpksWM
>>>>>
>>>> That guy is renowned for his stupid youtube videos - buys a top end
>>>> luxury EV and then makes money to pay for it by knocking his purchase.
>>>> Very entertaining for the tin foil hat brigade.
>>>> Personally having owned EVs for the last 7 years I would never go back
>>>> to a primitive oil burning appliance.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Ditto. I’ve just looked at my fuel cost for my EV last year. 16,000 miles
>>> for under £300.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>> wait till you have to pay excise duty on the electricity/buy a new
>> battery/try to sell the car
>
> EVers don't seem to appreciate the fact that the rest of us are paying
> taxes so they can enjoy subsidies on their economically non-viable
> cars. That won't last much longer, though...

No. The eco hippies used to vandalise 4x4s. wait till the Ordinary
Citizem has finished witrh ULEZ cameras....

--
"What do you think about Gay Marriage?"
"I don't."
"Don't what?"
"Think about Gay Marriage."

Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
27/6/1975 - Herbert Kiebler shot and killed trying to cross Berlin Wall.
"A reminder that the defining characteristic of a socialist regime is coercion, not equality."

How long has Julian Assange been imprisoned without trial?

Handsome Jack <Jack@handsome.com> wrote:
> Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

> 27/6/1975 - Herbert Kiebler shot and killed trying to cross Berlin Wall.

> "A reminder that the defining characteristic of a socialist regime is
> coercion, not equality."

> How long has Julian Assange been imprisoned without trial?

You might be interested in seeing the opening five-minute sequence of the
Netflix serial ‘3 Body Problem’.

Hint: The sequence is set in China in 1966, it concerns a University
physics professor being confronted by students and agents of the State
concerning his views on what preceded the Big Bang. It doesn’t end well.

--
Spike

On 1 Apr 2024 at 09:38:19 BST, "Handsome Jack" <Handsome Jack> wrote:

> Tim Streater <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
> 27/6/1975 - Herbert Kiebler shot and killed trying to cross Berlin Wall.
> "A reminder that the defining characteristic of a socialist regime is
> coercion, not equality."
>
> How long has Julian Assange been imprisoned without trial?

No time at all, AFAIK. He spent some years in a foreign embassy avoiding the
judicial process, and is currently in extradition proceedings. As he has form
for running away, I expect they have denied him bail.

--
“It is not the truth of Marxism that explains the willingness of intellectuals to believe it, but the power that it confers on intellectuals, in their attempts to control the world. And since ... it is futile to reason someone out of a thing that he was not reasoned into, we can conclude that Marxism owes its remarkable power to survive every criticism to the fact that it is not a truth-directed but a power-directed system of thought.”

Sir Roger Scruton