On 30/06/2023 11:23, Mike McMillan wrote:
> Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 30/06/2023 02:19, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, probably travel to visit things - shows, trade fairs, etc. - was a
>>> _bit_ wider than actually moving your whole household. (Which -
>>> certainly before the railways - I imagine as being more or less limited
>>> to walking pace or less; I don't think a horse _pulling a cart_ foes
>>> much more than walking pace, certainly not for long.)
>>
>> What amazes me is the number of people, in the C19th who were
>> transported quite long distances after they died, to be buried in the
>> churchyard of their original home town. I can't recall the exact
>> details right now, but there was one instance where a person living in
>> or near Liverpool, died there and was buried in Wiltshire only 4 or 5
>> days later.
>>
>
> Good ham that year?
>
Reading that immediately after reading about Penny's relative by proxy
ending up in the Black Country immediately brought to mind:

The sick man had been on a diet, but now that the doctor could see no
hope of his recovery, he told the man's wife to let him have whatever he
fancied to eat.
"The doctor says yo' can 'ave what yo' like to ate, Joe," she called up
the stairs. "What dun yer fancy?"
"I fancy sum o' that 'am what's a 'angin' up in the kitchen," he shouted
down weakly.
"Oh, yo' cor 'ave none o' that," she said. "We'm a-saervin' it fer the
funeral."

From: Black Country Stories (1968)

--
Ric

On 02/07/2023 09:37, John Armstrong wrote:

> The previous four generations of Armstrongs were all called James.
> It's my second name. I also came across this re-use of forenames in
> my great grandfather's family in the 1870s. "Maggie", oddly enough.

Out of curiosity, how to you manage with duplicated initials? My father
had two initials the same and almost invariable had the second changed
to something different, even when he had stressed that they were the same.

--
Ric

On 02/07/2023 11:04, Penny wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Jul 2023 01:20:18 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> a
> gribouillé dans la poussière...
>
>> [Did you get the Staffordshire file I emailed?]
>
> Yes, thanks John. I realised after posting I should have acknowledged it
> here yesterday. I had a quick skim through it and did spot a Leadbetter (or
> similar - so many spellings, there must have been a lot of lead to beat).
>
> My computer is not behaving well (nor is my brain) - I think it needs more
> RAM. I've found it helps if I only run one program at a time, and even with
> the help of two tablets, I can't always get everything in view. Can't
> decide whether to add RAM or give up and buy a new machine which
> presumably will be 64 bit (whatever that means) and be better able to cope
> with all those bells and whistles I doubt I need but which bloat
> everything, especially when updating.

I always advocate installing as much RAM as you can afford or that the
machine can access. It is the cheapest way to speed up a 'puter and can
cure other problems (such as random mouse activity) caused by lack of
memory. I have done this on several machines.

64 bit means that it can access vastly more memmory than 32 bit and move
it around a bit faster meaning that it will spend more time sitting
there waiting for you to finish typing.

The choice is yours.

--
Ric

On 02/07/2023 13:57, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In message <85d2ail57s6noenk6erpk49c609up131o2@4ax.com> at Sun, 2 Jul
> 2023 09:37:51, John Armstrong <jja@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
> []
>> The previous four generations of Armstrongs were all called James.
>> It's my second name.  I also came across this re-use of forenames in
>> my great grandfather's family in the 1870s. "Maggie", oddly enough.
>>>
> I thought I had some such runs, but when I came to look, I actually
> don't: even the line that I thought alternated (the Weightmans) actually
> goes Ralph, Ralph, Robert, Ralph, Andrew, James, Andrew, William, Molly.

That doesn't have the same ring to it as "Pugh, Pugh, Barney McGrew,
Cuthbert, Dibble, Grubb."

> (Mind you, I'm glad mum was actually christened Molly - rather than it
> just being a pet name for Mary, as it often is, especially among folk
> with an Irish background, or she'd have been a third Mary in a row.)
> []

--
Ric

In message <u7v1ad$3oo29$1@dont-email.me> at Mon, 3 Jul 2023 18:42:36,
Joe Kerr <joe_kerr@cheerful.com> writes
>On 02/07/2023 09:37, John Armstrong wrote:
>
>> The previous four generations of Armstrongs were all called James.
>> It's my second name. I also came across this re-use of forenames in
>> my great grandfather's family in the 1870s. "Maggie", oddly enough.
>
>Out of curiosity, how to you manage with duplicated initials? My father
>had two initials the same and almost invariable had the second changed
>to something different, even when he had stressed that they were the
>same.
>
The girl next door when I was in my early teens was Tracy A. Moss. (I
think it was Ann.) She had no end of trouble not getting it put down as
Tracy Amos.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"The wish of the lazy to allow unsupervised access [to the internet] to their
children should not reduce all adults browsing to the level of suitability for
a five-year-old." Yaman Akdeniz, quoted in Inter//face (The Times, 1999-2-10):
p12

On 03/07/2023 09:37, Penny wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Jul 2023 14:22:48 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> a
> gribouillé dans la poussière...
>> In message <cvh2ai18lnrl4hm7k11pv06g8ms1ksfq9m@4ax.com> at Sun, 2 Jul
>> 2023 11:04:57, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> writes
>
>>> My computer is not behaving well (nor is my brain) - I think it needs more
>>> RAM. I've found it helps if I only run one program at a time, and even with
>>
>> My friend Julia has a phenomenal memory; her husband Frank often says
>> can we have some of it, but she says we'd corrupt it.
>>
>>> the help of two tablets, I can't always get everything in view. Can't
>>
>> I'm on metformin, tamsulosin, and atorvastatin.
>
> :)))
>
>>> decide whether to add RAM or give up and buy a new machine which
>>> presumably will be 64 bit (whatever that means) and be better able to cope
>>> with all those bells and whistles I doubt I need but which bloat
>>> everything, especially when updating.
>>
>> When I was allowed to get back online, I deliberately bought a 32-bit
>> machine (obviously second-hand), as I still had the vague hope I'd get
>> back my old mail/news that needed a 32-bit machine to run the software
>> that can access it.
>
> That's a point, I don't suppose a 64-bit machine would run my ancient Forté
> Agent on-a-stick. I could probably use it on my old XP netbook though, but
> could I find anyone to fix the non-functional bits of the keyboard...?
>
A 64 bit machine should run 32 bit software. Windows actually creates
two installation folders for software - one for 32 and one for 64 bit. A
new machine running really old software could be a different matter. It
probably will work but I think MS redesigned bits of Windows at some
point so there could be a problem (but I think the newer versions have
some kind of old version emulation option in program properties to ovoid
some problems).

>> I think future bells and whistles not only aren't anything I need, but
>> would require bloat _for no gain_: the software I have does all I want.
>
> This is my main complaint.
> Sadly, web designers (and browsers) no longer even consider the user who is
> using older kit, on smaller screens.
>
>> (And I have quite a lot open at once, though not a lot that are actually
>> taxing the processor - though 14 tabs open in the browser, and those
>> probably are.)
>
> That's my main problem, multiple tabs open all the time (hence the use of
> the tablets for quick look-ups).
>
> I once saw an 'advisor' in my Bank. She had so many tabs open on her
> machine they were square (and she'd probably need to scroll sideways to see
> them all - or do they go into a second line?). I suppose on a business
> network it's less of a problem but I can't believe she was actually going
> to refer to any of them again, she just didn't know how to close them.
>
I have about 200 tabs open spread across 10 windows. Some I use
regularly. The rest are things I was working on and need the time to get
back to them.

--
Ric

In message <kgg0h3F4co9U1@mid.individual.net> at Mon, 3 Jul 2023
14:24:51, Kate B <elvira@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes
>On 03/07/2023 10:22, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>
>> That's one minor snag I've noticed with Thunderbird, when I've been
>>watching the friend I set up with it - it has a tendency to open tabs
>>which it's not obvious (it's basically Firefox code, i. e. it's a
>>browser underneath). [The friend wouldn't I think be up to the concept
>>of closing tabs.]
>
>I have Thunderbird and I'm not aware of it opening tabs which aren't
>obvious. If you open an email to read (which opens in a tab) or start
>to write one (which gives a separate window), then either will stay
>open until you close them. But that's the same with any email
>programme, isn't it?
>
>
It's the "until you close them" that little Margaret would have trouble
with. I think it also opens tabs with newsgroups. Though in practice she
doesn't use newsgroups, though I did set her up with a few.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"The wish of the lazy to allow unsupervised access [to the internet] to their
children should not reduce all adults browsing to the level of suitability for
a five-year-old." Yaman Akdeniz, quoted in Inter//face (The Times, 1999-2-10):
p12

On 03/07/2023 14:26, Chris J Dixon wrote:
> Penny wrote:
>
>> I once saw an 'advisor' in my Bank. She had so many tabs open on her
>> machine they were square (and she'd probably need to scroll sideways to see
>> them all - or do they go into a second line?). I suppose on a business
>> network it's less of a problem but I can't believe she was actually going
>> to refer to any of them again, she just didn't know how to close them.
>
> There is a user very close by who always has literally hundreds
> of tabs open, on different browsers, and insists on carrying this
> behaviour over onto my login and my browser. :-(
>
> It is not the way I like to work, but not worth falling out
> over.
>
> Chris

My aunt, for whome a screwdriver was testing her technical ability, had
different browsers for different websites because different people had
helped her access various sites and always did things their own way.
They also downloaded all their favourite software instead of using what
was already installed. She also had everything she used set up with an
icon on the desktop as this was somehow easier than using a menu.

--
Ric

In message <u7v38b$3our5$1@dont-email.me> at Mon, 3 Jul 2023 19:15:37,
Joe Kerr <joe_kerr@cheerful.com> writes
>On 03/07/2023 09:37, Penny wrote:
[]
>> That's a point, I don't suppose a 64-bit machine would run my
>>ancient Forté
>> Agent on-a-stick. I could probably use it on my old XP netbook though, but
>> could I find anyone to fix the non-functional bits of the keyboard...?
>>
>A 64 bit machine should run 32 bit software. Windows actually creates
>two installation folders for software - one for 32 and one for 64 bit.

Yes, but it only goes back one level: a 64-bit machine won't run 16-bit
software. I don't know what Agent is, but I know it's venerable, so it
might be. Quite _why_ it only goes back one level, I don't understand:
the wonderful Paul in the Windows newsgroups tried to explain it, but it
hurt my brain too much. Something to do with something called, IIRR,
WOW.

>A new machine running really old software could be a different matter.
>It probably will work but I think MS redesigned bits of Windows at some
>point so there could be a problem (but I think the newer versions have
>some kind of old version emulation option in program properties to
>ovoid some problems).

They broke Turnpike at the last moment: it worked fine with all the
pre-release versions of Windows 7, but with the final release they broke
it (and I presume some other softwares). (OK on W7 32 bit - actually W10
32 as well, so they tell me. [There isn't a W11 32.])
>
>>> I think future bells and whistles not only aren't anything I need, but
>>> would require bloat _for no gain_: the software I have does all I want.
>> This is my main complaint.
>> Sadly, web designers (and browsers) no longer even consider the user who is
>> using older kit, on smaller screens.
>>
>>> (And I have quite a lot open at once, though not a lot that are
>>>actually
>>> taxing the processor - though 14 tabs open in the browser, and those
>>> probably are.)
>> That's my main problem, multiple tabs open all the time (hence the
>>use of
>> the tablets for quick look-ups).
[]
>I have about 200 tabs open spread across 10 windows. Some I use
>regularly. The rest are things I was working on and need the time to
>get back to them.
>
Wow, I don't think I've ever got close to that! (Probably because I
don't have more than one window open per browser [and at the moment,
mostly only the one browser].) Might have got up to about 50 on my old
machine. It's creeping up - 16 ATM - but I do occasionally have a "do I
really need that still open" moment.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"The wish of the lazy to allow unsupervised access [to the internet] to their
children should not reduce all adults browsing to the level of suitability for
a five-year-old." Yaman Akdeniz, quoted in Inter//face (The Times, 1999-2-10):
p12

In message <u7v3v3$3p13g$1@dont-email.me> at Mon, 3 Jul 2023 19:27:46,
Joe Kerr <joe_kerr@cheerful.com> writes
[]
>My aunt, for whome a screwdriver was testing her technical ability, had
>different browsers for different websites because different people had
>helped her access various sites and always did things their own way.
>They also downloaded all their favourite software instead of using what
>was already installed. She also had everything she used set up with an
>icon on the desktop as this was somehow easier than using a menu.
>
That is not uncommon. I'd often get "can you set up [varied - Classic FM
was a common one] for me", even though I'd set up a bookmark to
whatever-it-was last time I was there; desktop icons are easier for many
people to understand than favorites*/bookmarks. One case that's
especially prevalent is Google: people have a Google icon.

* Yes, I know, but that's how IE spelt it (IIRR, even on a machine set
up to be in "British English"). I think, fortunately, the term
"bookmark" (Firefox, originally - actually Netscape, I think!) seems to
have captured the concept. (Nice to think it might be because of the
spelling thing, though I suspect it's just that IE fell out of favour.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"The wish of the lazy to allow unsupervised access [to the internet] to their
children should not reduce all adults browsing to the level of suitability for a
five-year-old." Yaman Akdeniz, quoted in Inter//face (The Times, 1999-2-10): p12

On 03/07/2023 19:08, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In message <u7v1ad$3oo29$1@dont-email.me> at Mon, 3 Jul 2023 18:42:36,
> Joe Kerr <joe_kerr@cheerful.com> writes
>> On 02/07/2023 09:37, John Armstrong wrote:
>>
>>> The previous four generations of Armstrongs were all called James.
>>> It's my second name.  I also came across this re-use of forenames in
>>> my great grandfather's family in the 1870s. "Maggie", oddly enough.
>>
>> Out of curiosity, how to you manage with duplicated initials? My
>> father had two initials the same and almost invariable had the second
>> changed to something different, even when he had stressed that they
>> were the same.
>>
> The girl next door when I was in my early teens was Tracy A. Moss. (I
> think it was Ann.) She had no end of trouble not getting it put down as
> Tracy Amos.

I've probably mentioned this before, but long ago, a colleague named
John Whitehorne showed me a letter he'd received addressed to "Mr John
Whitehorn-Withaney".

And another former colleague swears blind he knows an "Annette Kirton".

--
Cheers
Clive

On Mon, 3 Jul 2023 18:55:57 +0100, Joe Kerr <joe_kerr@cheerful.com> wrote:

>On 02/07/2023 13:57, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> In message <85d2ail57s6noenk6erpk49c609up131o2@4ax.com> at Sun, 2 Jul
>> 2023 09:37:51, John Armstrong <jja@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>> []
>>> The previous four generations of Armstrongs were all called James.
>>> It's my second name.  I also came across this re-use of forenames in
>>> my great grandfather's family in the 1870s. "Maggie", oddly enough.
>>>>
>> I thought I had some such runs, but when I came to look, I actually
>> don't: even the line that I thought alternated (the Weightmans) actually
>> goes Ralph, Ralph, Robert, Ralph, Andrew, James, Andrew, William, Molly.
>
>That doesn't have the same ring to it as "Pugh, Pugh, Barney McGrew,
>Cuthbert, Dibble, Grubb."

One of the above had a change of career from fire to police and featured on Top Cat!
Or was it the other way round?

--
Regards, Paul Herber
https://www.paulherber.co.uk/

On 03/07/2023 10:22, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In message <gm05ai51deh1j6qd4u5tgm98c2vo0nhejv@4ax.com> at Mon, 3 Jul
> 2023 09:37:43, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> writes
>> On Sun, 2 Jul 2023 14:22:48 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> a
>> gribouillé dans la poussière...
> []
>>> When I was allowed to get back online, I deliberately bought a 32-bit
>>> machine (obviously second-hand), as I still had the vague hope I'd get
>>> back my old mail/news that needed a 32-bit machine to run the software
>>> that can access it.
>>
>> That's a point, I don't suppose a 64-bit machine would run my ancient
>> Forté
>> Agent on-a-stick.
>
> It might - do you know anyone who'd let you try on their machine?

You are a trusting soul John, but if someone came up to me with (say) a
USB drive and asked if they could run it on my computer, my answer would
be a polite "No".

In message <P4IoM.3513$FLJe.951@fx08.ams1> at Mon, 3 Jul 2023 23:37:35,
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> writes
>On 03/07/2023 10:22, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> In message <gm05ai51deh1j6qd4u5tgm98c2vo0nhejv@4ax.com> at Mon, 3 Jul
>>2023 09:37:43, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> writes
>>> On Sun, 2 Jul 2023 14:22:48 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> a
>>> gribouillé dans la poussière...
>> []
>>>> When I was allowed to get back online, I deliberately bought a 32-bit
>>>> machine (obviously second-hand), as I still had the vague hope I'd get
>>>> back my old mail/news that needed a 32-bit machine to run the software
>>>> that can access it.
>>>
>>> That's a point, I don't suppose a 64-bit machine would run my
>>>ancient Forté
>>> Agent on-a-stick.
>> It might - do you know anyone who'd let you try on their machine?
>
>You are a trusting soul John, but if someone came up to me with (say) a
>USB drive and asked if they could run it on my computer, my answer
>would be a polite "No".

I didn't say I was such a person (-:

Though (a) I suspect I'd trust a Penny of this parish, (b) I think I'd
probably virus-scan the drive first. Not sure I'd be happy letting it
run if it was the sort that runs as soon as you plug in the stick. (I
think you can disable autorun for various categories, e. g. USB sticks,
optical discs, so I might scan it first having done that.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

.... "Peter and out." ... "Kevin and out." (Link episode)

On Mon, 3 Jul 2023 18:42:36 +0100, Joe Kerr <joe_kerr@cheerful.com>
wrote:

>On 02/07/2023 09:37, John Armstrong wrote:
>
>> The previous four generations of Armstrongs were all called James.
>> It's my second name. I also came across this re-use of forenames in
>> my great grandfather's family in the 1870s. "Maggie", oddly enough.
>
>Out of curiosity, how to you manage with duplicated initials? My father
>had two initials the same and almost invariable had the second changed
>to something different, even when he had stressed that they were the same.

My father's initials were J A (Armstrong). Mine are J J. Letters
addressed to J Armstrong could cause some confusion, but I don't
remember it being unmanageable, as we could usually work out who was
meant. "Official" letters from banks, Inland Revenue, and insurance
companies tended to use both initials. I remember him telling me that
when he was a boy, his mother calling "James!" presented difficulties.

When I was teenaged, I had several extended stays with my aunt
(mother's sister), whose husband was named John. He decreed that to
prevent confusion, I'd be known as "Jock". Problem solved.

On Mon, 3 Jul 2023 10:22:57 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> a
gribouillé dans la poussière...

>In message <gm05ai51deh1j6qd4u5tgm98c2vo0nhejv@4ax.com> at Mon, 3 Jul
>2023 09:37:43, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> writes
>>On Sun, 2 Jul 2023 14:22:48 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> a
>>gribouillé dans la poussière...
>[]
>>>When I was allowed to get back online, I deliberately bought a 32-bit
>>>machine (obviously second-hand), as I still had the vague hope I'd get
>>>back my old mail/news that needed a 32-bit machine to run the software
>>>that can access it.
>>
>>That's a point, I don't suppose a 64-bit machine would run my ancient Forté
>>Agent on-a-stick.
>
>It might - do you know anyone who'd let you try on their machine?

Probably not. OTOH, Agent seems to stand alone as far as the OS is
concerned, I don't think it has any interaction with the registry. I first
installed it on a Win 98 machine (in 1998).

>> I could probably use it on my old XP netbook though, but
>>could I find anyone to fix the non-functional bits of the keyboard...?
>
>If some keys aren't working, you're unlikely to be able to fix just
>those; however, you may be able to get a replacement for the whole
>keyboard

Hm, I may be able to attach another keyboard to it...
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

In message <11p7ai5lf5kscn414tvugsbmr7a442p8to@4ax.com> at Tue, 4 Jul
2023 10:25:45, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> writes
>On Mon, 3 Jul 2023 10:22:57 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> a
>gribouillé dans la poussière...
>
>>In message <gm05ai51deh1j6qd4u5tgm98c2vo0nhejv@4ax.com> at Mon, 3 Jul
>>2023 09:37:43, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> writes
[]
>>> I could probably use it on my old XP netbook though, but
>>>could I find anyone to fix the non-functional bits of the keyboard...?
>>
>>If some keys aren't working, you're unlikely to be able to fix just
>>those; however, you may be able to get a replacement for the whole
>>keyboard
>
>Hm, I may be able to attach another keyboard to it...

IME, laptop keyboards are just connected by one little ribbon connector.

The problem will be _finding_ one. (Not a Samsung LC-20, by any chance?)

If you mean an external one, that should be no problem if it has a
(working) USB socket, even on XP (and if you know anyone in an IT
department, should cost you nothing - I have a cupboard full of
keyboards). Or get a nice one online (e. g. backlit).
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

.... the pleasure of the mind is an amazing thing. My life has been driven by
the satisfaction of curiosity. - Jeremy Paxman (being interviewed by Anne
Widdecombe), Radio Times, 2-8 July 2011.

On 03/07/2023 18:24, Joe Kerr wrote:
> On 30/06/2023 11:23, Mike McMillan wrote:
>> Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 30/06/2023 02:19, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes, probably travel to visit things - shows, trade fairs, etc. - was a
>>>> _bit_ wider than actually moving your whole household. (Which -
>>>> certainly before the railways - I imagine as being more or less limited
>>>> to walking pace or less; I don't think a horse _pulling a cart_ foes
>>>> much more than walking pace, certainly not for long.)
>>>
>>> What amazes me is the number of people, in the C19th who were
>>> transported quite long distances after they died, to be buried in the
>>> churchyard of their original home town.  I can't recall the exact
>>> details right now, but there was one instance where a person living in
>>> or near Liverpool, died there and was buried in Wiltshire only 4 or 5
>>> days later.
>>>
>>
>> Good ham that year?
>>
> Reading that immediately after reading about Penny's relative by proxy
> ending up in the Black Country immediately brought to mind:
>
> The sick man had been on a diet, but now that the doctor could see no
> hope of his recovery, he told the man's wife to let him have whatever he
> fancied to eat.
> "The doctor says yo' can 'ave what yo' like to ate, Joe," she called up
> the stairs. "What dun yer fancy?"
> "I fancy sum o' that 'am what's a 'angin' up in the kitchen," he shouted
> down weakly.
> "Oh, yo' cor 'ave none o' that," she said. "We'm a-saervin' it fer the
> funeral."
>
> From: Black Country Stories (1968)
>

The usual response from our North Walian godgrandmother to gossip of
anyone in the neighbourhood being in hospital was 'They'll be ordering
the ham, then.'

--
Kate B

Kate B wrote:

>On 03/07/2023 18:24, Joe Kerr wrote:

>> Reading that immediately after reading about Penny's relative by proxy
>> ending up in the Black Country immediately brought to mind:
>>
>> The sick man had been on a diet, but now that the doctor could see no
>> hope of his recovery, he told the man's wife to let him have whatever he
>> fancied to eat.
>> "The doctor says yo' can 'ave what yo' like to ate, Joe," she called up
>> the stairs. "What dun yer fancy?"
>> "I fancy sum o' that 'am what's a 'angin' up in the kitchen," he shouted
>> down weakly.
>> "Oh, yo' cor 'ave none o' that," she said. "We'm a-saervin' it fer the
>> funeral."
>>
>> From: Black Country Stories (1968)
>>
>
>The usual response from our North Walian godgrandmother to gossip of
>anyone in the neighbourhood being in hospital was 'They'll be ordering
>the ham, then.'

ISTR a story that at Uphill, near Weston-super-Mare, the
churchyard has only a thin layer of soil over solid rock. To dig
a grave required explosives, and was a lengthy process, so
anybody in the parish who wasn't feeling their best, shall we
say, was not cheered to hear the sound of blasting.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham
'48/33 M B+ G++ A L(-) I S-- CH0(--)(p) Ar- T+ H0 ?Q
chris@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1
Plant amazing Acers.

Kate B <elvira@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 03/07/2023 18:24, Joe Kerr wrote:
>> On 30/06/2023 11:23, Mike McMillan wrote:
>>> Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 30/06/2023 02:19, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, probably travel to visit things - shows, trade fairs, etc. - was a
>>>>> _bit_ wider than actually moving your whole household. (Which -
>>>>> certainly before the railways - I imagine as being more or less limited
>>>>> to walking pace or less; I don't think a horse _pulling a cart_ foes
>>>>> much more than walking pace, certainly not for long.)
>>>>
>>>> What amazes me is the number of people, in the C19th who were
>>>> transported quite long distances after they died, to be buried in the
>>>> churchyard of their original home town.  I can't recall the exact
>>>> details right now, but there was one instance where a person living in
>>>> or near Liverpool, died there and was buried in Wiltshire only 4 or 5
>>>> days later.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Good ham that year?
>>>
>> Reading that immediately after reading about Penny's relative by proxy
>> ending up in the Black Country immediately brought to mind:
>>
>> The sick man had been on a diet, but now that the doctor could see no
>> hope of his recovery, he told the man's wife to let him have whatever he
>> fancied to eat.
>> "The doctor says yo' can 'ave what yo' like to ate, Joe," she called up
>> the stairs. "What dun yer fancy?"
>> "I fancy sum o' that 'am what's a 'angin' up in the kitchen," he shouted
>> down weakly.
>> "Oh, yo' cor 'ave none o' that," she said. "We'm a-saervin' it fer the
>> funeral."
>>
>> From: Black Country Stories (1968)
>>
>
> The usual response from our North Walian godgrandmother to gossip of
> anyone in the neighbourhood being in hospital was 'They'll be ordering
> the ham, then.'
>
>

Was it ordered Ad Hoc?

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 9:25:58 AM UTC, Penny wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Jul 2023 10:22:57 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6...@255soft.uk> a
> gribouillé dans la poussière...
>
> >In message <gm05ai51deh1j6qd4...@4ax.com> at Mon, 3 Jul
> >2023 09:37:43, Penny <sp...@labyrinth.freeuk.com> writes
> >>On Sun, 2 Jul 2023 14:22:48 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6...@255soft.uk> a
> >>gribouillé dans la poussière...
> >[]
> >>>When I was allowed to get back online, I deliberately bought a 32-bit
> >>>machine (obviously second-hand), as I still had the vague hope I'd get
> >>>back my old mail/news that needed a 32-bit machine to run the software
> >>>that can access it.
> >>
> >>That's a point, I don't suppose a 64-bit machine would run my ancient Forté
> >>Agent on-a-stick.
> >
> >It might - do you know anyone who'd let you try on their machine?
> Probably not. OTOH, Agent seems to stand alone as far as the OS is
> concerned, I don't think it has any interaction with the registry. I first
> installed it on a Win 98 machine (in 1998).
> >> I could probably use it on my old XP netbook though, but
> >>could I find anyone to fix the non-functional bits of the keyboard...?
> >
> >If some keys aren't working, you're unlikely to be able to fix just
> >those; however, you may be able to get a replacement for the whole
> >keyboard
> Hm, I may be able to attach another keyboard to it...

FWIW I was happily running Agent-on-a-Stick [1] on my 64-bit machine without any problems. When it started acting up (umra passim) I was using a 32-bit notebook in Buenos Aires and since I couldn't solve the issue at the time, I reverted to Google Groups.

I'm back home now and I have tried my stick on the 64-bit machine - and it still gives me the same problems it gave me on the 32-bit one. So all I can gain from that is if your Agent-on-a-stick works on one it should work on the other. And if it don't it don't.

Options open to me appear to be to try loading a fresh instance onto another stick or installing it directly onto a machine. It's much easier for me to lug a stick from machine to machine than to lug a machine from place to place so I know which I'd prefer. But I must say that I've been wondering whether the architecture of sticks doesn't like shuffling big amounts of data around because some of the files on Agent may only be text files but they've been accumulating data for very many years.

In the meantime I'm still on Google Groups. Sorry about that.

Nick
nickodell49@yahoo.ca
[1]Thank you Penny for the original idea

On Fri, 7 Jul 2023 03:25:51 -0700 (PDT), Nick Odell <nickodell@bigfoot.com>
a gribouillé dans la poussière...
>On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 9:25:58?AM UTC, Penny wrote:

>FWIW I was happily running Agent-on-a-Stick [1] on my 64-bit machine without any problems. When it started acting up (umra passim) I was using a 32-bit notebook in Buenos Aires and since I couldn't solve the issue at the time, I reverted to Google Groups.
>
>I'm back home now and I have tried my stick on the 64-bit machine - and it still gives me the same problems it gave me on the 32-bit one. So all I can gain from that is if your Agent-on-a-stick works on one it should work on the other. And if it don't it don't.
>
> Options open to me appear to be to try loading a fresh instance onto another stick or installing it directly onto a machine. It's much easier for me to lug a stick from machine to machine than to lug a machine from place to place so I know which I'd prefer. But I must say that I've been wondering whether the architecture of sticks doesn't like shuffling big amounts of data around because some of the files on Agent may only be text files but they've been accumulating data for very many years.

In fact I'm not using the stick version at the moment.
I was using it on a very large capacity stick which I wanted to use for
something else, so I shifted it onto an old one. It didn't work well. I
have mislaid the other stick... I really must do a tidy up.

>In the meantime I'm still on Google Groups. Sorry about that.

The only problem with GG is the lack of line breaks.

>Nick
>nickodell49@yahoo.ca
>[1]Thank you Penny for the original idea

Funny, I thought I got it from you.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959