I contacted Suzuki to see if I could get a stand for the V-Strom. They
said that they have a low stock and that they are £306. Cheeky
barstewards, three hundred quid for a stand.

Tim wrote:
> I contacted Suzuki to see if I could get a stand for the V-Strom. They
> said that they have a low stock

The answer to the question seems to be "no".

ogden <eldaifo@gmail.com> wrote in news:dc2ee134-cab0-4664-ae26-
6f1c0e828327n@googlegroups.com:

> Tim wrote:
>> I contacted Suzuki to see if I could get a stand for the V-Strom. They
>> said that they have a low stock
>
> The answer to the question seems to be "no".

gougium, maybe?

at least there is a choice unlike their latest sports tourer thing, which
seems quite an omission on a long distance tourer with a chain.

wessie wrote:
> ogden wrote:
> > Tim wrote:
> >> I contacted Suzuki to see if I could get a stand for the V-Strom. They
> >> said that they have a low stock
> >
> > The answer to the question seems to be "no".
>
> at least there is a choice unlike their latest sports tourer thing, which
> seems quite an omission on a long distance tourer with a chain.

Spray a bit, roll it forward, spray a bit, roll it forward...

It's hardly an insurmountable problem.

On 01/06/2023 08:51, Tim wrote:
> I contacted Suzuki to see if I could get a stand for the V-Strom. They
> said that they have a low stock and that they are £306. Cheeky
> barstewards, three hundred quid for a stand.

You're lucky they didn't blame the global chip shortage.
--
Bruce Horrocks
FJR1300AS

On 01/06/2023 13:30, ogden wrote:
> wessie wrote:
>> ogden wrote:
>>> Tim wrote:
>>>> I contacted Suzuki to see if I could get a stand for the V-Strom. They
>>>> said that they have a low stock
>>>
>>> The answer to the question seems to be "no".
>>
>> at least there is a choice unlike their latest sports tourer thing, which
>> seems quite an omission on a long distance tourer with a chain.
>
> Spray a bit, roll it forward, spray a bit, roll it forward...
>
> It's hardly an insurmountable problem.

Not having a stand makes it a pita when having to remove a wheel. A bit
of searching has found one made in Germany for just over £200. Because
of how the exhaust is routed the jack under sump is not a solution.

Tim wrote:
> ogden wrote:
> > wessie wrote:
> >> ogden wrote:
> >>> Tim wrote:
> >>>> I contacted Suzuki to see if I could get a stand for the V-Strom. They
> >>>> said that they have a low stock
> >>>
> >>> The answer to the question seems to be "no".
> >>
> >> at least there is a choice unlike their latest sports tourer thing, which
> >> seems quite an omission on a long distance tourer with a chain.
> >
> > Spray a bit, roll it forward, spray a bit, roll it forward...
> >
> > It's hardly an insurmountable problem.
>
> Not having a stand makes it a pita when having to remove a wheel. A bit
> of searching has found one made in Germany for just over £200. Because
> of how the exhaust is routed the jack under sump is not a solution.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/371573074457

On 01/06/2023 19:24, ogden wrote:
> Tim wrote:
>> ogden wrote:
>>> wessie wrote:
>>>> ogden wrote:
>>>>> Tim wrote:
>>>>>> I contacted Suzuki to see if I could get a stand for the V-Strom. They
>>>>>> said that they have a low stock
>>>>>
>>>>> The answer to the question seems to be "no".
>>>>
>>>> at least there is a choice unlike their latest sports tourer thing, which
>>>> seems quite an omission on a long distance tourer with a chain.
>>>
>>> Spray a bit, roll it forward, spray a bit, roll it forward...
>>>
>>> It's hardly an insurmountable problem.
>>
>> Not having a stand makes it a pita when having to remove a wheel. A bit
>> of searching has found one made in Germany for just over £200. Because
>> of how the exhaust is routed the jack under sump is not a solution.
>
> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/371573074457

Ta, but I think it will not work. The Suzuki is built differently to a
superbike,
https://www.advpulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/2016-Suzuki-V-Strom-1000-ABS-DL1000A-Silver.jpg

Tim wrote:
> ogden wrote:
> >>>>> Tim wrote:
> >>>>>> I contacted Suzuki to see if I could get a stand for the V-Strom. They
> >>>>>> said that they have a low stock
> >>>>>
> > https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/371573074457
>
> Ta, but I think it will not work. The Suzuki is built differently to a
> superbike,
> https://www.advpulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/2016-Suzuki-V-Strom-1000-ABS-DL1000A-Silver.jpg

Nonsense. I used one quite happily with a KTM SMT, and there's nothing revolutionary about that chassis. It's hardly a Panigale.

The fitting kit for a 2016 V-Strom is £11.

https://abbastands.co.uk/product-detail.asp?item=superbike-stand&pid=1

You just have to remove a couple of covers, which are presumably black plastic panels at the bottom of the frame, hiding the swingarm pivots.

You can buy mine if you want. I've got no need for it anymore. You'd still need the fitting kit though. And work out how to get it from here to there.

On 02/06/2023 15:34, ogden wrote:
> Tim wrote:
>> ogden wrote:
>>>>>>> Tim wrote:
>>>>>>>> I contacted Suzuki to see if I could get a stand for the V-Strom. They
>>>>>>>> said that they have a low stock
>>>>>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/371573074457
>>
>> Ta, but I think it will not work. The Suzuki is built differently to a
>> superbike,
>> https://www.advpulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/2016-Suzuki-V-Strom-1000-ABS-DL1000A-Silver.jpg
>
> Nonsense. I used one quite happily with a KTM SMT, and there's nothing revolutionary about that chassis. It's hardly a Panigale.
>
> The fitting kit for a 2016 V-Strom is £11.
>
> https://abbastands.co.uk/product-detail.asp?item=superbike-stand&pid=1
>
> You just have to remove a couple of covers, which are presumably black plastic panels at the bottom of the frame, hiding the swingarm pivots.

OK, I see what you mean.

The other thing Suzuki are being "funny" about is that you cannot get
workshop manuals any more. Dealers have to return any printed ones and
use an on-line subscription package. This may explain why there isn't a
Haynes manual either.

>
> You can buy mine if you want. I've got no need for it anymore. You'd still need the fitting kit though. And work out how to get it from here to there.

That may not be a problem now that I am retired. Do you still have phone
ending 745?

Tim wrote:
> ogden wrote:
> > Tim wrote:
> >> ogden wrote:
> >>>>>>> Tim wrote:
> >>>>>>>> I contacted Suzuki to see if I could get a stand for the V-Strom.. They
> >>>>>>>> said that they have a low stock
> >>>>>>>
> >>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/371573074457
> > The fitting kit for a 2016 V-Strom is £11.
> >
> > https://abbastands.co.uk/product-detail.asp?item=superbike-stand&pid=1
> > You just have to remove a couple of covers, which are presumably black plastic panels at the bottom of the frame, hiding the swingarm pivots>
..> > You can buy mine if you want. I've got no need for it anymore. You'd still need the fitting kit though. And work out how to get it from here to there.

> That may not be a problem now that I am retired.

No wonder you're grumbling about prices.

> Do you still have phone ending 745?

I do.

Fifty quid, including whatever adapters or fitting kits I can find in the garage?

On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 05:30:04 -0700 (PDT), ogden <eldaifo@gmail.com>
wrote:

>wessie wrote:
>> ogden wrote:
>> > Tim wrote:
>> >> I contacted Suzuki to see if I could get a stand for the V-Strom. They
>> >> said that they have a low stock
>> >
>> > The answer to the question seems to be "no".
>>
>> at least there is a choice unlike their latest sports tourer thing, which
>> seems quite an omission on a long distance tourer with a chain.
>
>Spray a bit, roll it forward, spray a bit, roll it forward...
>
>It's hardly an insurmountable problem.

But a real drag in the rain. We used to lube the Thunderace with Pat
holding the bike balanced on the front wheel and sidestand, but I
wouldn't attempt it now.

--
Colin Irvine
FJR1300A

On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 11:24:19 -0700 (PDT), ogden <eldaifo@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Tim wrote:
>> Not having a stand makes it a pita when having to remove a wheel. A bit
>> of searching has found one made in Germany for just over £200. Because
>> of how the exhaust is routed the jack under sump is not a solution.
>
>https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/371573074457

Doesn't work on all bikes. My 1200 Guzzi has no exposed swingarm
pivots.

--

-Pip

On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 07:34:37 -0700 (PDT), ogden <eldaifo@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Tim wrote:
>> ogden wrote:
>> >>>>> Tim wrote:
>> >>>>>> I contacted Suzuki to see if I could get a stand for the V-Strom. They
>> >>>>>> said that they have a low stock
>> >>>>>
>> > https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/371573074457
>>
>> Ta, but I think it will not work. The Suzuki is built differently to a
>> superbike,
>> https://www.advpulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/2016-Suzuki-V-Strom-1000-ABS-DL1000A-Silver.jpg
>
>Nonsense. I used one quite happily with a KTM SMT, and there's nothing revolutionary about that chassis. It's hardly a Panigale.
>
>The fitting kit for a 2016 V-Strom is £11.
>
>https://abbastands.co.uk/product-detail.asp?item=superbike-stand&pid=1
>
>You just have to remove a couple of covers, which are presumably black plastic panels at the bottom of the frame, hiding the swingarm pivots.

OK, the Guzzi is shaft drive, so chanis don't come into it, but even
so, for wheel removal it is not easy. There are no covers, only the
cast alloy footpeg hangers that also serve as covers and exhaust
hangers and brake M/Cyl mounts.

There is a work-around, which is to use a prop like an axle stand to
tilt the bike onto its sidestand, but it can be a bit precarious.

--

-Pip

On 02/06/2023 18:05, Tim wrote:

>
> The other thing Suzuki are being "funny" about is that you cannot get
> workshop manuals any more. Dealers have to return any printed ones and
> use an on-line subscription package. This may explain why there isn't a
> Haynes manual either.
>

There seem to be quite a few manuals available here:
https://www.v-strom.co.uk/downloads.htm

--
/Simon

On Fri, 02 Jun 2023 20:17:37 +0100, Colin Irvine
<look@colinandpat.co.uk> wrote:

>But a real drag in the rain. We used to lube the Thunderace with Pat
>holding the bike balanced on the front wheel and sidestand, but I
>wouldn't attempt it now.

SOP, innit? Not that I ever had a helper. Whether I'd do it on my own
now is moot, of course.
--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

On 03/06/2023 07:03, siwilson wrote:
> On 02/06/2023 18:05, Tim wrote:
>
>>
>> The other thing Suzuki are being "funny" about is that you cannot get
>> workshop manuals any more. Dealers have to return any printed ones and
>> use an on-line subscription package. This may explain why there isn't
>> a Haynes manual either.
>>
>
> There seem to be quite a few manuals available here:
> https://www.v-strom.co.uk/downloads.htm
>
Yes thanks, I've visited that site before and there isn't anything for
the later models, except one for a 2021 1050 version. There's
effectively a gap between about 2009 and 2020. The ones on the site
mostly are the early frame and the Kawasaki shared model. Plus a number
of them are USA only variants.

On 02/06/2023 20:04, ogden wrote:
> Tim wrote:
>> ogden wrote:
>>> Tim wrote:
>>>> ogden wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Tim wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I contacted Suzuki to see if I could get a stand for the V-Strom. They
>>>>>>>>>> said that they have a low stock
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/371573074457
>>> The fitting kit for a 2016 V-Strom is £11.
>>>
>>> https://abbastands.co.uk/product-detail.asp?item=superbike-stand&pid=1
>>> You just have to remove a couple of covers, which are presumably black plastic panels at the bottom of the frame, hiding the swingarm pivots>
> .> > You can buy mine if you want. I've got no need for it anymore. You'd still need the fitting kit though. And work out how to get it from here to there.
>
>> That may not be a problem now that I am retired.
>
> No wonder you're grumbling about prices.

:-)

>
>
>> Do you still have phone ending 745?
>
> I do.
>
> Fifty quid, including whatever adapters or fitting kits I can find in the garage?

Sounds splendid.

On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 18:05:50 +0100, Tim <nobody@home.co.uk> wrote:

>The other thing Suzuki are being "funny" about is that you cannot get
>workshop manuals any more. Dealers have to return any printed ones and
>use an on-line subscription package. This may explain why there isn't a
>Haynes manual either.

All manufacturers are. It's the way of the Brave New World.

--

-Pip

Pipl <pluscher@live.co.uk> wrote in
news:ou4m7itobfjpkt6qhbnsd2bpihb3npas4c@4ax.com:

> On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 18:05:50 +0100, Tim <nobody@home.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>The other thing Suzuki are being "funny" about is that you cannot get
>>workshop manuals any more. Dealers have to return any printed ones and
>>use an on-line subscription package. This may explain why there isn't a
>>Haynes manual either.
>
> All manufacturers are. It's the way of the Brave New World.
>

Nothing funny, economically rational in terms of upfront cost, limiting
distribution, keeping up to date, providing a subscription income and
knobbling the commercial independent and home service types.

BMW adopted this for the later R1200 liquid cooled models. Bikes based on
the same engine as my 2016 R1200RS are the last[1] boxers they have done
service manuals for.

[1] apart from the retro 2018 R9T bikes based on the old 1150, oil cooled
engine

On 03/06/2023 12:04, wessie wrote:
> Pipl <pluscher@live.co.uk> wrote in
> news:ou4m7itobfjpkt6qhbnsd2bpihb3npas4c@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 18:05:50 +0100, Tim <nobody@home.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> The other thing Suzuki are being "funny" about is that you cannot get
>>> workshop manuals any more. Dealers have to return any printed ones and
>>> use an on-line subscription package. This may explain why there isn't a
>>> Haynes manual either.
>>
>> All manufacturers are. It's the way of the Brave New World.
>>
>
> Nothing funny, economically rational in terms of upfront cost, limiting
> distribution, keeping up to date, providing a subscription income and
> knobbling the commercial independent and home service types.
>

But they are not offering the workshop manual either as print or online
to the customer. There are some things when the book would be handy to
reference.

Tim <nobody@home.co.uk> wrote in news:u5f7kr$3i56a$1@dont-email.me:

> On 03/06/2023 12:04, wessie wrote:
>> Pipl <pluscher@live.co.uk> wrote in
>> news:ou4m7itobfjpkt6qhbnsd2bpihb3npas4c@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 18:05:50 +0100, Tim <nobody@home.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The other thing Suzuki are being "funny" about is that you cannot
>>>> get workshop manuals any more. Dealers have to return any printed
>>>> ones and use an on-line subscription package. This may explain why
>>>> there isn't a Haynes manual either.
>>>
>>> All manufacturers are. It's the way of the Brave New World.
>>>
>>
>> Nothing funny, economically rational in terms of upfront cost,
>> limiting distribution, keeping up to date, providing a subscription
>> income and knobbling the commercial independent and home service
>> types.
>>
>
> But they are not offering the workshop manual either as print or
> online to the customer. There are some things when the book would be
> handy to reference.
>
>

still not getting it?

they don't want you to know stuff. They want you to take the bike back to a
dealer a pay for even the simplest things

I've seem some owner's handbooks advise riders to take a bike back to the
dealer to have the chain adjusted...

On 03/06/2023 12:32, wessie wrote:
> Tim <nobody@home.co.uk> wrote in news:u5f7kr$3i56a$1@dont-email.me:

>> But they are not offering the workshop manual either as print or
>> online to the customer. There are some things when the book would be
>> handy to reference.
>>
>>
>
> still not getting it?
>
> they don't want you to know stuff. They want you to take the bike back to a
> dealer a pay for even the simplest things
>
> I've seem some owner's handbooks advise riders to take a bike back to the
> dealer to have the chain adjusted...

The 2019 MY Husqvarna 401 owners manual is reasonable, with full details
of how to do an oil and filter change and check chain adjustment (though
the official method for that requires a 'lifting stand' (6932995500033
80 quid), though I suspect a generic one could be adapted. I do mine on
the side stand as per received wisdom on the FB group. Light enough for
a 'pivot on the side stand' approach to lubing the chain.

KTM 'Print on Demand' appears to provide a digital 'Repair Manual'
download for 27.50 euros (also for 2023 models). Hoping not to need one
for a while.

Going to be ages until it needs new tyres - when I would just take it to
Magnum.

--
Moto Morini 2C/375
Gilera 175 Sport, Husqvarna 401 Svartpilen
"Do not adjust your mind, there is a fault in the reality"

On 6/3/2023 4:32 AM, wessie wrote:
> Tim <nobody@home.co.uk> wrote in news:u5f7kr$3i56a$1@dont-email.me:
>> On 03/06/2023 12:04, wessie wrote:
>>> Pipl <pluscher@live.co.uk> wrote in
>>> news:ou4m7itobfjpkt6qhbnsd2bpihb3npas4c@4ax.com:
>>>> On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 18:05:50 +0100, Tim <nobody@home.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The other thing Suzuki are being "funny" about is that you cannot
>>>>> get workshop manuals any more. Dealers have to return any printed
>>>>> ones and use an on-line subscription package. This may explain why
>>>>> there isn't a Haynes manual either.
>>>>
>>>> All manufacturers are. It's the way of the Brave New World.
>>>
>>> Nothing funny, economically rational in terms of upfront cost,
>>> limiting distribution, keeping up to date, providing a subscription
>>> income and knobbling the commercial independent and home service
>>> types.
>>
>> But they are not offering the workshop manual either as print or
>> online to the customer. There are some things when the book would be
>> handy to reference.
>
> still not getting it?
>
> they don't want you to know stuff. They want you to take the bike back to a
> dealer a pay for even the simplest things
>
> I've seem some owner's handbooks advise riders to take a bike back to the
> dealer to have the chain adjusted...

Damn. And I was thinking of getting a new bike to replace the FJR. It
looks like that'll depend on whether a manual is available when I
purchase the bike.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS & ST1100 (in memoriam)

Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote in news:u5j1lg$2m5l$2@dont-email.me:

> On 6/3/2023 4:32 AM, wessie wrote:
>> I've seem some owner's handbooks advise riders to take a bike back to
>> the dealer to have the chain adjusted...
>
> Damn. And I was thinking of getting a new bike to replace the FJR. It
> looks like that'll depend on whether a manual is available when I
> purchase the bike.
>

buy a Royal Enfield Himalayan. You will only need a lump hammer