On 15/06/2023 19:00, Pipl wrote:
> I gather that urine and hard water react to form a kind of limescale.

I dont think the water type has anything to do with it, piss, when
congealed/dried out leaves a mineral residue.
The offices at work have 'flushless' urinals. It is basically a green
spirit floating in the u bend, the piss is heavier, so runs through the
spirit, the spirit stays where it is, mostly. The inserts have to be
changed every 6 months [1].
I helped out once, and what a disgusting job it is. All of the pipes
were covered in limescale, the smell was horrendous, worse than shit.

[1] Such a device is sold as reducing water usage, which it does. But
the cost of that is rather a lot.Each spirit insert comes in a package
with a new u bend type arrangment, they are £30 each. The old ones go to
landfill. The exit pipes are sometimes so caked up with detritus/pissy
limescale that they have to be changed.
So, yes, they use no water, but, cost a hell of a lot more, and have a
lot of landfill every 6 months, so I think the green credentials they
are sold on do not stack up.

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On 14/06/2023 18:10, Ace wrote:
>On Wed, 14 Jun 2023 12:18:04 +0100, Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>On 14/06/2023 11:28, WUN wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 12:28:44?AM UTC+1, wessie wrote:
>>>
>>>> collect your grey water for use in the bog
>>>
>>> Unless you have some filthy bastard who pisses in the shower.
>>>
>>> Paging Champ...
>>
>>What's wrong with pissing in the shower? Er, asking for a friend.
>
>IIRC some women think their men are animals if they do this.
>
>Or one, at least.

So, a wank is out of the question then?

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On 15/06/2023 19:21, Alan Lee wrote:
> On 15/06/2023 19:00, Pipl wrote:
>> I gather that urine and hard water react to form a kind of limescale.
>
> I dont think the water type has anything to do with it, piss, when
> congealed/dried out leaves a mineral residue.

Years ago, when I first started work, one of my colleagues was a former
chemistry teacher who said he was once asked by a child if urea was soluble.

--
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FJR1300AS

On 6/14/2023 3:55 PM, WUN wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 5:10:50 PM UTC+1, Ace wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Jun 2023 12:18:04 +0100, Mike Fleming <mi...@tauzero.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>> On 14/06/2023 11:28, WUN wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 12:28:44?AM UTC+1, wessie wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> collect your grey water for use in the bog
>>>>
>>>> Unless you have some filthy bastard who pisses in the shower.
>>>>
>>>> Paging Champ...
>>>
>>> What's wrong with pissing in the shower? Er, asking for a friend.
>> IIRC some women think their men are animals if they do this.
>>
>> Or one, at least.
>
> If you have a grey water recycling system it's really not a good idea.
>

So, if you don't have a British plumbing system, it's not a sin?

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On 15/06/2023 10:35, ogden wrote:
> WUN wrote:
>>> Mike Fleming <mi...@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 14/06/2023 11:28, WUN wrote:
>>>>> wessie wrote:
>>>>>> collect your grey water for use in the bog
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless you have some filthy bastard who pisses in the shower.
>>>>>
>>>> What's wrong with pissing in the shower? Er, asking for a friend.
>>
>> If you have a grey water recycling system it's really not a good idea.
>
> That'd be some heavily diluted piss, I'd have thought, so long as you're not letting a racehorse use the same shower.

Think of it as some sort of homeopathetic solution.

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On 15/06/2023 19:21, Alan Lee wrote:
> On 15/06/2023 19:00, Pipl wrote:
>> I gather that urine and hard water react to form a kind of limescale.
>
> I dont think the water type has anything to do with it, piss, when
> congealed/dried out leaves a mineral residue.
> The offices at work have 'flushless' urinals. It is basically a green
> spirit floating in the u bend, the piss is heavier, so runs through the
> spirit, the spirit stays where it is, mostly. The inserts have to be
> changed every 6 months [1].
> I helped out once, and what a disgusting job it is. All of the pipes
> were covered in limescale, the smell was horrendous, worse than shit.
>
> [1] Such a device is sold as reducing water usage, which it does. But
> the cost of that is rather a lot.Each spirit insert comes in a package
> with a new u bend type arrangment, they are £30 each. The old ones go to
> landfill. The exit pipes are sometimes so caked up with detritus/pissy
> limescale that they have to be changed.
> So, yes, they use no water, but, cost a hell of a lot more, and have a
> lot of landfill every 6 months, so I think the green credentials they
> are sold on do not stack up.
>
Quite interesting, ta.

Chris
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On Thursday, 15 June 2023 at 19:21:46 UTC+1, Alan Lee wrote:
> On 15/06/2023 19:00, Pipl wrote:
> > I gather that urine and hard water react to form a kind of limescale.
> I dont think the water type has anything to do with it, piss, when
> congealed/dried out leaves a mineral residue.
> The offices at work have 'flushless' urinals. It is basically a green
> spirit floating in the u bend, the piss is heavier, so runs through the
> spirit, the spirit stays where it is, mostly. The inserts have to be
> changed every 6 months [1].
> I helped out once, and what a disgusting job it is. All of the pipes
> were covered in limescale, the smell was horrendous, worse than shit.
>
> [1] Such a device is sold as reducing water usage, which it does. But
> the cost of that is rather a lot.Each spirit insert comes in a package
> with a new u bend type arrangment, they are £30 each. The old ones go to
> landfill. The exit pipes are sometimes so caked up with detritus/pissy
> limescale that they have to be changed.
> So, yes, they use no water, but, cost a hell of a lot more, and have a
> lot of landfill every 6 months, so I think the green credentials they
> are sold on do not stack up.

They were ruled out in hospital builds, disgusting idea ffs

On 15/06/2023 22:42, Turby wrote:
> On 6/14/2023 3:55 PM, WUN wrote:
>> On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 5:10:50 PM UTC+1, Ace wrote:
>>> On Wed, 14 Jun 2023 12:18:04 +0100, Mike Fleming <mi...@tauzero.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 14/06/2023 11:28, WUN wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 12:28:44?AM UTC+1, wessie wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> collect your grey water for use in the bog
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless you have some filthy bastard who pisses in the shower.
>>>>>
>>>>> Paging Champ...
>>>>
>>>> What's wrong with pissing in the shower? Er, asking for a friend.
>>> IIRC some women think their men are animals if they do this.
>>>
>>> Or one, at least.
>>
>> If you have a grey water recycling system it's really not a good idea.
>>
>
> So, if you don't have a British plumbing system, it's not a sin?

I have a British plumbing system, which like almost all British plumbing
systems doesn't have grey water recycling.

On 15/06/2023 19:21, Alan Lee wrote:
> On 15/06/2023 19:00, Pipl wrote:
>> I gather that urine and hard water react to form a kind of limescale.
>
> I dont think the water type has anything to do with it, piss, when
> congealed/dried out leaves a mineral residue.

Considering the original issue, I can see this possibly causing a
problem if one has a piss in the shower while the shower's not running.
However, if the shower is running, the piss will be far more dilute than
the piss going down the toilet, and wouldn't the shower outlet be
connected to the soil stack so would have the same route out.

On 19/06/2023 11:30, Mike Fleming wrote:
>
> Considering the original issue, I can see this possibly causing a
> problem if one has a piss in the shower while the shower's not running.
> However, if the shower is running, the piss will be far more dilute than
> the piss going down the toilet, and wouldn't the shower outlet be
> connected to the soil stack so would have the same route out.

That's certainly what I would expect.

Standard toilet flush is something like 6 litres, or ~3 litres for the
short flush on a dual-flush system.

Showers vary wildly, somewhere between 3 and 18(!) litres of water per
minute.

Unless you're pissing in a very slow shower with barely enough time to
get wet, the urine is going to be far more diluted in the shower than
thought the toilet.

Of course, pissing in a non-running shower is *definitely* disgusting. I
bet you don't wash your hands afterwards either, do you?

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On Mon, 19 Jun 2023 11:30:22 +0100, Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 15/06/2023 19:21, Alan Lee wrote:
>> On 15/06/2023 19:00, Pipl wrote:
>>> I gather that urine and hard water react to form a kind of limescale.
>>
>> I dont think the water type has anything to do with it, piss, when
>> congealed/dried out leaves a mineral residue.
>
>Considering the original issue, I can see this possibly causing a
>problem if one has a piss in the shower while the shower's not running.
>However, if the shower is running, the piss will be far more dilute than
>the piss going down the toilet, and wouldn't the shower outlet be
>connected to the soil stack so would have the same route out.

In our case, the bath outpet pipe runs horizontally about 4m before
it joins the downpipe, so there's plenty of scope for water to pool
inside the pipe. The only other thing I can thing of is that the water
here is well 'hard, or that some soap or other bath product contains a
heck of a lot of calcium salts.

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-Pip

On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 12:21:28 +0000, wessie wrote:

> Scion <a.b@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:u69dak$3i07t$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 22:12:30 +0000, Mark Olson wrote:
>>
>>> Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 6/12/2023 12:51 PM, Alan Lee wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Having a similar converstion via FB on an electricians group.
>>>>> Someone asked how much to fit a replacement shower.
>>>>
>>>> I have to ask. What electrics are involved in replacing a shower?
>>>
>>> "Their ways are not our ways"
>>>
>>> https://www.diydoctor.org.uk/projects/electricshower.htm
>>>
>>> https://www.mirashowers.co.uk/professional-zone/news/faq-feature-
>> electric-showers/
>>
>> The cheaper Mira electric showers (or possibly all of them, I don't
>> know, I have a cheapie) have fixed-wattage heating elements and adjust
>> the temperature by regulating the water flow. As I pay for water by
>> volume used, it therefore costs me less to have a hot shower than a
>> warm one.
>>
>>
> although you might use less water if you take the same time time in the
> hot shower compared to the warm one, saving 2p on the water meter, you
> might stay longer in the shower, rinsing yourself under a dribble of hot
> water, using 30p more electricity.

I'm more likely to stay longer in a flood of nice warm water than a
dribble :-)

> I have a similar, cheap 8kW Triton shower and in winter when the
> incoming water is very cold, I have to shower under a dribble of water
> compared to now, when I can have a shower at a proper pressure.

I upgraded the Mira from 8.5kW to 9.5kW last time it needed replacing [1]

Makes a surprising difference - I *never* ran the 8kW at half power
whereas the 9.5kW is bearable (FSVO) at half power [2] from June round to
September

[1] Every four to five years or so

[2] Sorry, 'Eco'

On Wed, 14 Jun 2023 03:28:21 -0700 (PDT), WUN <nigel.eaton@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 12:28:44?AM UTC+1, wessie wrote:
>
>>
>> collect your grey water for use in the bog

>Unless you have some filthy bastard who pisses in the shower.
>
>Paging Champ...

heh.

But it would seem both that the science is against you (a running
shower dilutes the urine more than a toilet fiush) *and* you're in a
minority anyway, WUN
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On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 3:31:51 PM UTC+1, Champ wrote:
> you're in a minority anyway, WUN

'Twas ever thus.

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