Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 21/07/2023 13:03, Kate B wrote:
>> Germany's (and Austria's) systems aren't particularly good, as they have
>> vast quantities of UK and US television and nearly everything is dubbed
>> rather than given subtitles, which I find massively offputting.
>
> Quite the opposite to me, then! I can't abide watching anything with
> subtitles and if I happen to see (I wouldn't choose such a programme)
> something like a News program where the headlines are constantly
> scrolled across the bottom of the screen I find it, er, massively
> offputting.
>

Me two Jenny!!! Subtitles are no good at all to me, I either watch the
fillum or the subtitles - can’t do both and if the subtitles are not in a
background masking box or of high contrast and large text, I can’t read
them anyway - or if they are delivered and removed too quickly. I know that
dubbed voices won’t necces celery sync with the pictures, but again, I
probably don’t have the acuity to see this anyway - and if delivered in
English, at least I have the hearing to then enjoy the content as a whole.

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 11:39:46 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> a
gribouillé dans la poussière...

>In message <msecnXEMRu5Joyf5nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> at Fri,
>21 Jul 2023 09:16:18, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> writes
>>On 20.7.23 19:37, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>> I don't think the BBC would work
>>
>>But that is the question - is it working now?
>
>IMO, with all its faults - yes. There's much that could be improved, but
>I still regard it as something precious (in the positive not derogatory
>sense) that should be preserved/protected. In some ways, like the NHS.
>
>Having seen other countries' systems, I don't think any match it.
>Germany's system (as it was in the 1970s, anyway) is pretty good.

I was amazed and amused by the TV continuity people on French TV in the
late sixties. I think British TV channels were moving away from a person
sitting behind a desk announcing what was on next, and later, in favour of
a disembodied voice. The little French TV I saw had a wide shot of a
couple, dressed as though ready for a spot of ballroom dancing.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 14:32:52 +0100, Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk>
a gribouillé dans la poussière...

>On 21/07/2023 13:03, Kate B wrote:
>> Germany's (and Austria's) systems aren't particularly good, as they have
>> vast quantities of UK and US television and nearly everything is dubbed
>> rather than given subtitles, which I find massively offputting.
>
>Quite the opposite to me, then! I can't abide watching anything with
>subtitles and if I happen to see (I wouldn't choose such a programme)
>something like a News program where the headlines are constantly
>scrolled across the bottom of the screen I find it, er, massively
>offputting.

Oh, I often switch the subtitles on, although they are useless and annoying
on 'live' progs and badly out of sync on most American shows.

I have struggled with some of the multi-lingual dramas where the mix of
English and French/Japanese etc, can get confusing.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 11:39:46 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> a
> gribouillé dans la poussière...
>
>> In message <msecnXEMRu5Joyf5nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> at Fri,
>> 21 Jul 2023 09:16:18, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> writes
>>> On 20.7.23 19:37, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>> I don't think the BBC would work
>>>
>>> But that is the question - is it working now?
>>
>> IMO, with all its faults - yes. There's much that could be improved, but
>> I still regard it as something precious (in the positive not derogatory
>> sense) that should be preserved/protected. In some ways, like the NHS.
>>
>> Having seen other countries' systems, I don't think any match it.
>> Germany's system (as it was in the 1970s, anyway) is pretty good.
>
> I was amazed and amused by the TV continuity people on French TV in the
> late sixties. I think British TV channels were moving away from a person
> sitting behind a desk announcing what was on next, and later, in favour of
> a disembodied voice. The little French TV I saw had a wide shot of a
> couple, dressed as though ready for a spot of ballroom dancing.

And wasn’t there a presenter talking about the weather who was sans most of
her clothing?

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 14:32:52 +0100, Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk>
> a gribouillé dans la poussière...
>
>> On 21/07/2023 13:03, Kate B wrote:
>>> Germany's (and Austria's) systems aren't particularly good, as they have
>>> vast quantities of UK and US television and nearly everything is dubbed
>>> rather than given subtitles, which I find massively offputting.
>>
>> Quite the opposite to me, then! I can't abide watching anything with
>> subtitles and if I happen to see (I wouldn't choose such a programme)
>> something like a News program where the headlines are constantly
>> scrolled across the bottom of the screen I find it, er, massively
>> offputting.
>
> Oh, I often switch the subtitles on, although they are useless and annoying
> on 'live' progs and badly out of sync on most American shows.
>
> I have struggled with some of the multi-lingual dramas where the mix of
> English and French/Japanese etc, can get confusing.

Along with temporal shifts back and forward to the degree of total
confusion to me.

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 13:56:41 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan
<toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> wrote:

>Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 21/07/2023 13:03, Kate B wrote:
>>> Germany's (and Austria's) systems aren't particularly good, as they have
>>> vast quantities of UK and US television and nearly everything is dubbed
>>> rather than given subtitles, which I find massively offputting.
>>
>> Quite the opposite to me, then! I can't abide watching anything with
>> subtitles and if I happen to see (I wouldn't choose such a programme)
>> something like a News program where the headlines are constantly
>> scrolled across the bottom of the screen I find it, er, massively
>> offputting.
>>
>
>Me two Jenny!!! Subtitles are no good at all to me, I either watch the
>fillum or the subtitles - can’t do both and if the subtitles are not in a
>background masking box or of high contrast and large text, I can’t read
>them anyway - or if they are delivered and removed too quickly. I know that
>dubbed voices won’t necces celery sync with the pictures, but again, I
>probably don’t have the acuity to see this anyway - and if delivered in
>English, at least I have the hearing to then enjoy the content as a whole.

Ah, I think I prefer subtitles as can sometimes see out of synchness.
But haven't seen many dubbed as far as I know.. I do hate when there
is nothing though. No aids. I have told second daughter this about
some of her programmes.

On 21-Jul-23 17:40, Vicky wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 13:56:41 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan
> <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> wrote:
>
>> Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 21/07/2023 13:03, Kate B wrote:
>>>> Germany's (and Austria's) systems aren't particularly good, as they have
>>>> vast quantities of UK and US television and nearly everything is dubbed
>>>> rather than given subtitles, which I find massively offputting.
>>>
>>> Quite the opposite to me, then! I can't abide watching anything with
>>> subtitles and if I happen to see (I wouldn't choose such a programme)
>>> something like a News program where the headlines are constantly
>>> scrolled across the bottom of the screen I find it, er, massively
>>> offputting.
>>>
>>
>> Me two Jenny!!! Subtitles are no good at all to me, I either watch the
>> fillum or the subtitles - can’t do both and if the subtitles are not in a
>> background masking box or of high contrast and large text, I can’t read
>> them anyway - or if they are delivered and removed too quickly. I know that
>> dubbed voices won’t necces celery sync with the pictures, but again, I
>> probably don’t have the acuity to see this anyway - and if delivered in
>> English, at least I have the hearing to then enjoy the content as a whole.
>
> Ah, I think I prefer subtitles as can sometimes see out of synchness.
> But haven't seen many dubbed as far as I know.. I do hate when there
> is nothing though. No aids. I have told second daughter this about
> some of her programmes.

The first film I saw which had subtitles was MASH.
The dialogue was in English and the subtitles in Norwegian.
The rest of the audience kept laughing at stuff I couldn't quite catch.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 21-Jul-23 17:11, Mike McMillan wrote:
> Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 11:39:46 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> a
>> gribouillé dans la poussière...
>>
>>> In message <msecnXEMRu5Joyf5nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> at Fri,
>>> 21 Jul 2023 09:16:18, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> writes
>>>> On 20.7.23 19:37, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>>> I don't think the BBC would work
>>>>
>>>> But that is the question - is it working now?
>>>
>>> IMO, with all its faults - yes. There's much that could be improved, but
>>> I still regard it as something precious (in the positive not derogatory
>>> sense) that should be preserved/protected. In some ways, like the NHS.
>>>
>>> Having seen other countries' systems, I don't think any match it.
>>> Germany's system (as it was in the 1970s, anyway) is pretty good.
>>
>> I was amazed and amused by the TV continuity people on French TV in the
>> late sixties. I think British TV channels were moving away from a person
>> sitting behind a desk announcing what was on next, and later, in favour of
>> a disembodied voice. The little French TV I saw had a wide shot of a
>> couple, dressed as though ready for a spot of ballroom dancing.
>
> And wasn’t there a presenter talking about the weather who was sans most of
> her clothing?
>
That sounds more like (some) Italian TV than French.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 21-Jul-23 10:01, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 09:17:36 +0100, krw wrote:
>
>> On 20.7.23 17:34, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>> (Though Anglia valued its franchise quite low at one point.)
>>
>> Central. When it was relet at one point the management spotted no-one
>> else was bidding, offered (I think) £1k and walked away later with an
>> awful lot more.
>
> IIRC it was £2k. The bids had to be an integer multiple of £1000 and their
> lawyers advised that £1000 isn't a multiple.
>
> I make no comment on the correctness of the lawyers' advice.

Perhaps they take a similar approach when calculating their billable hours.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 21/07/2023 17:40, Vicky wrote:
> But haven't seen many dubbed as far as I know..

Don't quite know how/why but I had an uncanny knack of recognizing when
a soundtrack was dubbed even when I saw nothing of the program. I would
fr example, shout from the kitchen "That's dubbed!" and my daughter
would be amazed and delighted. She boasted about her mother's special
talent to her friends!
--
Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK

On 21/07/2023 20:31, Jenny M Benson wrote:
> On 21/07/2023 17:40, Vicky wrote:
>> But haven't seen many dubbed as far as I know..
>
> Don't quite know how/why but I had an uncanny knack of recognizing when
> a soundtrack was dubbed even when I saw nothing of the program.  I would
> fr example, shout from the kitchen "That's dubbed!" and my daughter
> would be amazed and delighted.  She boasted about her mother's special
> talent to her friends!

It's the acoustics - it never sounds the same if recorded in a studio,
the echos and ambient noise are all off. That, and the mis-synching, and
the lack of authentic expression in the dubbed voice, are what put me
off dubbing.

--
Kate B

On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 16:47:34 +0100, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 14:32:52 +0100, Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk>
>a gribouillé dans la poussière...
>
>>On 21/07/2023 13:03, Kate B wrote:
>>> Germany's (and Austria's) systems aren't particularly good, as they have
>>> vast quantities of UK and US television and nearly everything is dubbed
>>> rather than given subtitles, which I find massively offputting.
>>
>>Quite the opposite to me, then! I can't abide watching anything with
>>subtitles and if I happen to see (I wouldn't choose such a programme)
>>something like a News program where the headlines are constantly
>>scrolled across the bottom of the screen I find it, er, massively
>>offputting.
>
>Oh, I often switch the subtitles on, although they are useless and annoying
>on 'live' progs and badly out of sync on most American shows.
>
>I have struggled with some of the multi-lingual dramas where the mix of
>English and French/Japanese etc, can get confusing.

I listened to last night's TA and was pleased to find it all audible,
underdstandable and I could tell who was speaking between Ed, Will,
Eddie and Emma.

In message <p5dlbilj52tbobhcr3t0r2edplj66oijd3@4ax.com> at Fri, 21 Jul
2023 17:40:48, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> writes
>On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 13:56:41 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan
><toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> wrote:
>
>>Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 21/07/2023 13:03, Kate B wrote:
>>>> Germany's (and Austria's) systems aren't particularly good, as they have
>>>> vast quantities of UK and US television and nearly everything is dubbed
>>>> rather than given subtitles, which I find massively offputting.

We are very fortunate, in that a large proportion of TV and film drama -
certainly back in the '70s - is made in English (or, granted, American
English). Germany (and Holland - I'm not so sure about France) were less
fortunate, so tended to use a lot of UK and US material. (For complex
reasons involving national character, admin., and many other factors,
Dutch TV tended to subtitle - I can as a result read Dutch quite well! -
whereas German tended to dub.)
>>>
>>> Quite the opposite to me, then! I can't abide watching anything with
>>> subtitles and if I happen to see (I wouldn't choose such a programme)
>>> something like a News program where the headlines are constantly
>>> scrolled across the bottom of the screen I find it, er, massively
>>> offputting.
>>>
Conversely, I _prefer_ to hear the original - of course I have some
ability in German, French, and Dutch, but even where I don't, I can get
some feel of the emotion of the speaker better than from a spoken
translation. (I'm talking news, now, not drama.) I also think it's a bit
insulting of the British audience, the implication that they don't speak
any foreign languages. (Even more so because it's true!)
>>
>>Me two Jenny!!! Subtitles are no good at all to me, I either watch the
>>fillum or the subtitles - can’t do both and if the subtitles are not in a

For film and drama, I'm less sure than I am for news.

>>background masking box or of high contrast and large text, I can’t read
>>them anyway - or if they are delivered and removed too quickly. I know that

I thoroughly agree on the technical _quality_ of subtitles: they _still_
are often illegible. You'd think by now they'd have learnt to get them
right, technically: I agree, they really need to be against a solid
contrasting block, ones with just an outline too often _do_ fail. (Most
often when against a bright part of the picture.)

[In news, they also need to move the default _position_ from where they
put it 40+ years ago. They _do_ for the weather and the headlines: they
should for _all_ news subtitling. But that's a different matter.]

>>dubbed voices won’t necces celery sync with the pictures, but again, I
>>probably don’t have the acuity to see this anyway - and if delivered in
>>English, at least I have the hearing to then enjoy the content as a whole.
>
>Ah, I think I prefer subtitles as can sometimes see out of synchness.
>But haven't seen many dubbed as far as I know.. I do hate when there
>is nothing though. No aids. I have told second daughter this about
>some of her programmes.

I tend to have both subtitles and AD on for most programming - although
I don't _need_ either. They - especially AD, when done well (which IMO
it usually is, when it's there at all) - enable me to do other things
(such as UMRA!) while "watching".
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Just seen a Dyslexic Yorkshireman wearing a cat flap!

In message <v1SdnaVufvafEyf5nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> at Fri,
21 Jul 2023 14:54:09, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> writes
[TV franchises]
>If someone is bidding there is usually whispers and the like. Central
>rightly assessed that it had little of real value unlike some of the
>other franchises and was well connected to the bigger players so
>guessed no-one was interested. I did not know or have forgotten that I
>knew the wrinkle about being a multiple of £1000 - I know that any
>licence was worth a lot more than that.
>
>As a follow on given that ITV has merged (except STV) and we constantly
>hear about the BBC charter having a 10 year life but the government has
>the right to change it after 5 years when do the other ITV licences get
>relet? Surely they cannot be perpetual? Or has someone forgotten to
>do it because of covid?
>
I think the ITV ones _do_ get reviewed/renewed from time to time;
however, since the individual ITV companies tend to mostly broadcast
networked prog.s now (as you say they've merged, or rather appear to
have), it's not obvious. There's a rather nice YouTube video that shows
the "progress", in the form of a map of the UK with the various company
logos over their areas, from when ITV started to date; there's a rather
depressing point when they all change to the ITV logo [or rather itv -
it goes lower case )-:] with just their region in the corner of the
logo. It's rather fun to start with, with the spread of the companies
(the old Rediffusion and ATV, for example), and the coming of colour,
before the decline.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

_____
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|___||__|###|____)
O-O--O-O+++--O-O

Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
> On 21-Jul-23 17:11, Mike McMillan wrote:
>> Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 11:39:46 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> a
>>> gribouillé dans la poussière...
>>>
>>>> In message <msecnXEMRu5Joyf5nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> at Fri,
>>>> 21 Jul 2023 09:16:18, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> writes
>>>>> On 20.7.23 19:37, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>>>> I don't think the BBC would work
>>>>>
>>>>> But that is the question - is it working now?
>>>>
>>>> IMO, with all its faults - yes. There's much that could be improved, but
>>>> I still regard it as something precious (in the positive not derogatory
>>>> sense) that should be preserved/protected. In some ways, like the NHS.
>>>>
>>>> Having seen other countries' systems, I don't think any match it.
>>>> Germany's system (as it was in the 1970s, anyway) is pretty good.
>>>
>>> I was amazed and amused by the TV continuity people on French TV in the
>>> late sixties. I think British TV channels were moving away from a person
>>> sitting behind a desk announcing what was on next, and later, in favour of
>>> a disembodied voice. The little French TV I saw had a wide shot of a
>>> couple, dressed as though ready for a spot of ballroom dancing.
>>
>> And wasn’t there a presenter talking about the weather who was sans most of
>> her clothing?
>>
> That sounds more like (some) Italian TV than French.
>

Dunno what country / network / channel it were.

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 21:07:07 +0100, Kate B <elvira@nospam.demon.co.uk> a
gribouillé dans la poussière...

>On 21/07/2023 20:31, Jenny M Benson wrote:
>> On 21/07/2023 17:40, Vicky wrote:
>>> But haven't seen many dubbed as far as I know..
>>
>> Don't quite know how/why but I had an uncanny knack of recognizing when
>> a soundtrack was dubbed even when I saw nothing of the program.  I would
>> fr example, shout from the kitchen "That's dubbed!" and my daughter
>> would be amazed and delighted.  She boasted about her mother's special
>> talent to her friends!
>
>It's the acoustics - it never sounds the same if recorded in a studio,
>the echos and ambient noise are all off. That, and the mis-synching, and
>the lack of authentic expression in the dubbed voice, are what put me
>off dubbing.

Hearing the dubbed soundtrack from familiar British or American TV series
can be amusing. No need to understand what anyone in saying, it's the
inappropriate tone of voice apparently coming from an actor and character
you know well.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 22:45:36 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> a
gribouillé dans la poussière...

>I tend to have both subtitles and AD on for most programming - although
>I don't _need_ either. They - especially AD, when done well (which IMO
>it usually is, when it's there at all) - enable me to do other things
>(such as UMRA!) while "watching".

I do this too - using TV drama as radio. It's very helpful to me as I am
usually doing something on the computer at the same time. I used to be
frustrated with wordless opening scenes which often provide very important
parts of the plot. AD often provides the name of the character involved
long before the actual script does. Any named character is going to be
central to the plot.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 16:12:45 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan
<toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> a gribouillé dans la poussière...

>Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 14:32:52 +0100, Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk>
>> a gribouillé dans la poussière...
>>
>>> On 21/07/2023 13:03, Kate B wrote:
>>>> Germany's (and Austria's) systems aren't particularly good, as they have
>>>> vast quantities of UK and US television and nearly everything is dubbed
>>>> rather than given subtitles, which I find massively offputting.
>>>
>>> Quite the opposite to me, then! I can't abide watching anything with
>>> subtitles and if I happen to see (I wouldn't choose such a programme)
>>> something like a News program where the headlines are constantly
>>> scrolled across the bottom of the screen I find it, er, massively
>>> offputting.
>>
>> Oh, I often switch the subtitles on, although they are useless and annoying
>> on 'live' progs and badly out of sync on most American shows.
>>
>> I have struggled with some of the multi-lingual dramas where the mix of
>> English and French/Japanese etc, can get confusing.
>
>Along with temporal shifts back and forward to the degree of total
>confusion to me.

The husgod couldn't cope with those at all. We saw 'The way we were' at the
cinema. It has, as the title suggests, many flash-backs. The local cinema
managed to start showing reel 3 after reel 1 - much murmuring from the
audience - they switched to reel 2 as fast as possible and at the end of
that went back to reel 3 at the point they'd left off... on reflection we
should have all demanded our money back.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 22:53:48 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> a
gribouillé dans la poussière...

>There's a rather nice YouTube video that shows
>the "progress", in the form of a map of the UK with the various company
>logos over their areas, from when ITV started to date; there's a rather
>depressing point when they all change to the ITV logo [or rather itv -
>it goes lower case )-:] with just their region in the corner of the
>logo. It's rather fun to start with, with the spread of the companies
>(the old Rediffusion and ATV, for example), and the coming of colour,
>before the decline.

I'd forgotten that and hadn't understood it at the time. We got programmes
from Rediffusion, ATV and (maybe later) Granada, in south Herts. I don't
know where any of those came from. Anglia was a much later addition,
possibly after we moved to north Essex.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 10:27:22 +0100, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 16:12:45 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan
><toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> a gribouillé dans la poussière...
>
>>Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 14:32:52 +0100, Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk>
>>> a gribouillé dans la poussière...
>>>
>>>> On 21/07/2023 13:03, Kate B wrote:
>>>>> Germany's (and Austria's) systems aren't particularly good, as they have
>>>>> vast quantities of UK and US television and nearly everything is dubbed
>>>>> rather than given subtitles, which I find massively offputting.
>>>>
>>>> Quite the opposite to me, then! I can't abide watching anything with
>>>> subtitles and if I happen to see (I wouldn't choose such a programme)
>>>> something like a News program where the headlines are constantly
>>>> scrolled across the bottom of the screen I find it, er, massively
>>>> offputting.
>>>
>>> Oh, I often switch the subtitles on, although they are useless and annoying
>>> on 'live' progs and badly out of sync on most American shows.
>>>
>>> I have struggled with some of the multi-lingual dramas where the mix of
>>> English and French/Japanese etc, can get confusing.
>>
>>Along with temporal shifts back and forward to the degree of total
>>confusion to me.
>
>The husgod couldn't cope with those at all. We saw 'The way we were' at the
>cinema. It has, as the title suggests, many flash-backs. The local cinema
>managed to start showing reel 3 after reel 1 - much murmuring from the
>audience - they switched to reel 2 as fast as possible and at the end of
>that went back to reel 3 at the point they'd left off... on reflection we
>should have all demanded our money back.

I usually don't like lots of time shifts either. I get confused :)

On 21/07/2023 09:10, krw wrote:
> On 20.7.23 12:46, Penny wrote:
>> I've been meaning to ask if you ever watch TV. I think you might enjoy
>> the
>> TV version of Annika (Strandhed). In which she's been seconded to
>> Scotland's Marine Homicide Unit.
>
> I think that was originally on Alibi or something and I watched it then.
>  I assume it is not new episodes.
>

Second series starting on Alibi early August.

john (will watch (and listen to) anything with Nicola Walker)

On 20/07/2023 19:37, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In message <nepibi5b99c44n5e9jrbu1qt3m26qe4nvl@4ax.com> at Thu, 20 Jul
> 2023 17:51:43, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> writes
>> On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 17:31:38 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver"
>> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Mostly, I think you will find, it's not the few people like me who
>>>> don't want to watch TV at all but the hundreds of thousands who no
>>>> longer watch live TV
>>>
>>> or _say_ they don't
>>>
>>>> (or iPlayer) and stream from Netflix and Amazon Prime, etc instead.
>>>
>>> I can't see the "live" criterion lasting much longer. Trouble is, I
>>> don't know what could replace it, and I want the Beeb - with all its
>>> faults - to survive. Maybe the council tax percentage someone suggested.
>>>>
>> We have subscriptions tosome places. Amazon Prime and Netflix are two.
>> But we'd prefer to pay for each programme we want to view as with some
>> subscriptions it was just to see a particular series.
>>
> Pay per view, in other words.
>
> I don't think the BBC would work as either a subscription model _or_ pay
> per view: its whole point - like a lot of government in general! - is
> that things nobody wants still get funded. That's an oversimplification,
> obviously - obviously things _nobody_ wants eventually _do_ get cut, but
> in the meantime things nobody _thinks_ they want, survive. And things
> can also be tried - more so than in a purely commercial environment,
> which subscription and PPV are, basically.
>
> I'm glad radio 3 is there (and thus that I'm paying for it), even though
> I hardly ever listen to it - and even radio 1, more so; but if the Beeb
> were subscription, let alone PPV, I don't think I'd subscribe to it.

This is the model record labels and publishers used to operate (and
still do, but it seems to a lesser extent). The pop records and the
bodice rippers/celebrity biograohies cross subsidised the classical
recordings and the literary fiction.

john

Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 16:12:45 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan
> <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> a gribouillé dans la poussière...
>
>> Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 14:32:52 +0100, Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk>
>>> a gribouillé dans la poussière...
>>>
>>>> On 21/07/2023 13:03, Kate B wrote:
>>>>> Germany's (and Austria's) systems aren't particularly good, as they have
>>>>> vast quantities of UK and US television and nearly everything is dubbed
>>>>> rather than given subtitles, which I find massively offputting.
>>>>
>>>> Quite the opposite to me, then! I can't abide watching anything with
>>>> subtitles and if I happen to see (I wouldn't choose such a programme)
>>>> something like a News program where the headlines are constantly
>>>> scrolled across the bottom of the screen I find it, er, massively
>>>> offputting.
>>>
>>> Oh, I often switch the subtitles on, although they are useless and annoying
>>> on 'live' progs and badly out of sync on most American shows.
>>>
>>> I have struggled with some of the multi-lingual dramas where the mix of
>>> English and French/Japanese etc, can get confusing.
>>
>> Along with temporal shifts back and forward to the degree of total
>> confusion to me.
>
> The husgod couldn't cope with those at all. We saw 'The way we were' at the
> cinema. It has, as the title suggests, many flash-backs. The local cinema
> managed to start showing reel 3 after reel 1 - much murmuring from the
> audience - they switched to reel 2 as fast as possible and at the end of
> that went back to reel 3 at the point they'd left off... on reflection we
> should have all demanded our money back.

Or even money forward? ;-)))

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On 22.7.23 10:57, john ashby wrote:
> On 21/07/2023 09:10, krw wrote:
>> On 20.7.23 12:46, Penny wrote:
>>> I've been meaning to ask if you ever watch TV. I think you might
>>> enjoy the
>>> TV version of Annika (Strandhed). In which she's been seconded to
>>> Scotland's Marine Homicide Unit.
>>
>> I think that was originally on Alibi or something and I watched it
>> then.   I assume it is not new episodes.
>>
>
> Second series starting on Alibi early August.
>
> john (will watch (and listen to) anything with Nicola Walker)

I think I have already seen two series?

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 10:57:23 +0100, john ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On 21/07/2023 09:10, krw wrote:
>> On 20.7.23 12:46, Penny wrote:
>>> I've been meaning to ask if you ever watch TV. I think you might enjoy
>>> the
>>> TV version of Annika (Strandhed). In which she's been seconded to
>>> Scotland's Marine Homicide Unit.
>>
>> I think that was originally on Alibi or something and I watched it then.
>>  I assume it is not new episodes.
>>
>
>Second series starting on Alibi early August.
>
>john (will watch (and listen to) anything with Nicola Walker)

Ah, I can no longer watch anything with her in it :) Over-exposed now.