In message <mr6nbi5i21l4o9c1vamd1tjefriajlqpjo@4ax.com> at Sat, 22 Jul
2023 10:07:28, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> writes
[]
>Hearing the dubbed soundtrack from familiar British or American TV series
>can be amusing. No need to understand what anyone in saying, it's the
>inappropriate tone of voice apparently coming from an actor and character
>you know well.

Especially when it is for a far eastern market, where voices tend to be
higher anyway, even males; hearing someone you know as a deep voice with
a squeaky one is indeed often amusing.

Dubbing is like colour detail: unless you're unfortunate to need to
lip-read, it can work even if the syllables are obviously unmatched -
the brain accepts it, somehow. (German is just very different from
English, to the extent that it's often impossible to sync.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Speed has never killed anyone. Suddenly becoming stationary, that's what gets
you. - Jeremy Clarkson, Top Gear

In message <ae8nbi9jg33a3lbrug13atujso2lt9lu2a@4ax.com> at Sat, 22 Jul
2023 10:35:26, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> writes
>On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 22:53:48 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> a
>gribouillé dans la poussière...
>
>>There's a rather nice YouTube video that shows
>>the "progress", in the form of a map of the UK with the various company
>>logos over their areas, from when ITV started to date; there's a rather
>>depressing point when they all change to the ITV logo [or rather itv -
>>it goes lower case )-:] with just their region in the corner of the
>>logo. It's rather fun to start with, with the spread of the companies
>>(the old Rediffusion and ATV, for example), and the coming of colour,
>>before the decline.
>
>I'd forgotten that and hadn't understood it at the time. We got programmes
>from Rediffusion, ATV and (maybe later) Granada, in south Herts. I don't
>know where any of those came from. Anglia was a much later addition,
>possibly after we moved to north Essex.

I found the clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seL3uDzSrwU . It
covers 1955-2017, but sadly the loss of individuality had more or less
set in by "the end of 99", to paraquote ABBA.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Speed has never killed anyone. Suddenly becoming stationary, that's what gets
you. - Jeremy Clarkson, Top Gear

In message <u9g9f0$3p3dt$2@dont-email.me> at Sat, 22 Jul 2023 11:02:08,
john ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> writes
>On 20/07/2023 19:37, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
[]
>> I don't think the BBC would work as either a subscription model _or_
>>pay per view: its whole point - like a lot of government in general!
>>- is that things nobody wants still get funded. That's an
>>oversimplification, obviously - obviously things _nobody_ wants
>>eventually _do_ get cut, but in the meantime things nobody _thinks_
>>they want, survive. And things can also be tried - more so than in a
>>purely commercial environment, which subscription and PPV are, basically.
>> I'm glad radio 3 is there (and thus that I'm paying for it), even
>>though I hardly ever listen to it - and even radio 1, more so; but if
>>the Beeb were subscription, let alone PPV, I don't think I'd
>>subscribe to it.
>
>This is the model record labels and publishers used to operate (and
>still do, but it seems to a lesser extent). The pop records and the
>bodice rippers/celebrity biograohies cross subsidised the classical
>recordings and the literary fiction.
>
>john

When I (as part of some works outing) visited a record pressing plant
around 1980, I think we were told that the classical stuff - I think it
was "red label" for the particular company - though selling in much
lower numbers than the pop records, were steady sellers; I didn't get
the impression either cross-subsidised the other. The main thing I do
remember is that LPs were subject to a certain amount of quality control
- samples checked by playing, for example - whereas singles certainly
weren't, and were made with reclaimed vinyl (such as that trimmed from
the edges of LPs). They were stamped out by the machine at a high rate.

I recently came across a rather nice documentary about the whole process
(not just the manufacturing), made at the time - and featuring -
"Walking back to happiness". Though bits of it were obviously remade for
the doc. (including Helen singing the wrong line at one point!), it _is_
rather fun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWSqOvqdO-M (1961). [It's a
bit blue - not content, colour!; there's a _slightly_ cleaned-up version
at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag65sl83SCU, but that's only part of
it.]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Speed has never killed anyone. Suddenly becoming stationary, that's what gets
you. - Jeremy Clarkson, Top Gear

J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

>
> Especially when it is for a far eastern market, where voices tend to be
> higher anyway, even males; hearing someone you know as a deep voice with
> a squeaky one is indeed often amusing.
>
>
And yet…. Seeing Ronnie Corbett never suggested to me such a deep voice
would emanate from his mouth!

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
> In message <u9g9f0$3p3dt$2@dont-email.me> at Sat, 22 Jul 2023 11:02:08,
> john ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> writes
>> On 20/07/2023 19:37, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> []
>>> I don't think the BBC would work as either a subscription model _or_
>>> pay per view: its whole point - like a lot of government in general!
>>> - is that things nobody wants still get funded. That's an
>>> oversimplification, obviously - obviously things _nobody_ wants
>>> eventually _do_ get cut, but in the meantime things nobody _thinks_
>>> they want, survive. And things can also be tried - more so than in a
>>> purely commercial environment, which subscription and PPV are, basically.
>>> I'm glad radio 3 is there (and thus that I'm paying for it), even
>>> though I hardly ever listen to it - and even radio 1, more so; but if
>>> the Beeb were subscription, let alone PPV, I don't think I'd
>>> subscribe to it.
>>
>> This is the model record labels and publishers used to operate (and
>> still do, but it seems to a lesser extent). The pop records and the
>> bodice rippers/celebrity biograohies cross subsidised the classical
>> recordings and the literary fiction.
>>
>> john
>
> When I (as part of some works outing) visited a record pressing plant
> around 1980, I think we were told that the classical stuff - I think it
> was "red label" for the particular company - though selling in much
> lower numbers than the pop records, were steady sellers; I didn't get
> the impression either cross-subsidised the other. The main thing I do
> remember is that LPs were subject to a certain amount of quality control
> - samples checked by playing, for example - whereas singles certainly
> weren't, and were made with reclaimed vinyl (such as that trimmed from
> the edges of LPs). They were stamped out by the machine at a high rate.
>
> I recently came across a rather nice documentary about the whole process
> (not just the manufacturing), made at the time - and featuring -
> "Walking back to happiness". Though bits of it were obviously remade for
> the doc. (including Helen singing the wrong line at one point!), it _is_
> rather fun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWSqOvqdO-M (1961). [It's a
> bit blue - not content, colour!; there's a _slightly_ cleaned-up version
> at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag65sl83SCU, but that's only part of
> it.]

I always found playing the pressings of my recordings to be disappointing
in terms of surface noise and general grunge etc. Going to a cutting room
with my digital master and having it optimised for transfer to vinyl format
by a mastering engineer (who knew their onions) was very informative;
transferred to a masterdisc that was then played back over the same high
quality audio that had been monitoring the original master I had brought
into the mastering room demonstrated a clean, well balanced sound but, by
the time this was used in the production plant and then pressed, the
quality had lost a certain something and gained distortion and noise -
disappointing to say the least. Virgin vinyl should be used for all wide
dynamic range material anyway but the rice eeckled material may contain
contaminants including paper residue from the labels and other ‘crud’ that
sneaks in - not good at all.

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 10:27:22 +0100, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 16:12:45 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan
>> <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> a gribouillé dans la poussière...
>>
>>> Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 14:32:52 +0100, Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk>
>>>> a gribouillé dans la poussière...
>>>>
>>>>> On 21/07/2023 13:03, Kate B wrote:
>>>>>> Germany's (and Austria's) systems aren't particularly good, as they have
>>>>>> vast quantities of UK and US television and nearly everything is dubbed
>>>>>> rather than given subtitles, which I find massively offputting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Quite the opposite to me, then! I can't abide watching anything with
>>>>> subtitles and if I happen to see (I wouldn't choose such a programme)
>>>>> something like a News program where the headlines are constantly
>>>>> scrolled across the bottom of the screen I find it, er, massively
>>>>> offputting.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, I often switch the subtitles on, although they are useless and annoying
>>>> on 'live' progs and badly out of sync on most American shows.
>>>>
>>>> I have struggled with some of the multi-lingual dramas where the mix of
>>>> English and French/Japanese etc, can get confusing.
>>>
>>> Along with temporal shifts back and forward to the degree of total
>>> confusion to me.
>>
>> The husgod couldn't cope with those at all. We saw 'The way we were' at the
>> cinema. It has, as the title suggests, many flash-backs. The local cinema
>> managed to start showing reel 3 after reel 1 - much murmuring from the
>> audience - they switched to reel 2 as fast as possible and at the end of
>> that went back to reel 3 at the point they'd left off... on reflection we
>> should have all demanded our money back.
>
> I usually don't like lots of time shifts either. I get confused :)
>

Round here one tunes either to Lunnon or South, personal preference I
suppose. I only would want go know when/if Wunderkind makes it to the
tv-ways. Last time, her boss was lead speaker and her segment fell on the
cutting room floor. Not a lover of tv appearances our Wunderkind, though
she’s turned into a excellent radio interviewee, Andrew Peach, yup the same
one as R4 newsreader. His day job since the 1980s is BBC Berks breakfast
presenter and he’s taken a genuine interest in the idea of a community
footie league for those with little or nothing to occupy them in the area,
mostly being low income people from all over the world. It was
Wunderkind’s dream when they moved there and now she has an under 11 team
who’re now under 12, and they’ve win a few matches against experienced
teams. Adam has had a few interviews, and even Martin had to say a few
words at the end of the season. Martin’s a coach, Hazel’s a first aider
(experienced as she was at her college job with young people with complex
education needs).

Mrs McT who can’t see a football in movement.

On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 1:53:00 PM UTC+1, Vicky wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 10:57:23 +0100, john ashby <johna...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >john (will watch (and listen to) anything with Nicola Walker)
> Ah, I can no longer watch anything with her in it :) Over-exposed now.

What? You mean she's getting her kit off on BBC1?
Where's that TV Licence application form?

Nick
nickodell49@yahoo.ca

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 12:46:34 PM UTC+1, Penny wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 04:06:36 -0700 (PDT), Nick Odell
> <nick...@bigfoot.com> a gribouillé dans la poussière...
> >Mostly, I think you will find, it's not the few people like me who don't want to watch TV at all
> I've been meaning to ask if you ever watch TV. I think you might enjoy the
> TV version of Annika (Strandhed). In which she's been seconded to
> Scotland's Marine Homicide Unit.

I knew about the TV series but I don't have a set. I also have this agreement with TVL about not watching their programmes.

It sounds as if it is jolly good and I believe it has been scripted by the same Nick Walker who wrote the radio series. What I loved about the radio series was the whole cast of characters who lived in my head during every episode - even though only one of the spoke.

Nick
nickodell49@yahoo.ca

On 22/07/2023 12:50, krw wrote:
> On 22.7.23 10:57, john ashby wrote:
>> On 21/07/2023 09:10, krw wrote:
>>> On 20.7.23 12:46, Penny wrote:
>>>> I've been meaning to ask if you ever watch TV. I think you might
>>>> enjoy the
>>>> TV version of Annika (Strandhed). In which she's been seconded to
>>>> Scotland's Marine Homicide Unit.
>>>
>>> I think that was originally on Alibi or something and I watched it
>>> then.   I assume it is not new episodes.
>>>
>>
>> Second series starting on Alibi early August.
>>
>> john (will watch (and listen to) anything with Nicola Walker)
>
> I think I have already seen two series?
>
That's what SiL said too, but we can't find it on iPlayer and IMDB shows
a 2nd series but has no details about it....

On 24/07/2023 15:26, BrritSki wrote:
> On 22/07/2023 12:50, krw wrote:
>> On 22.7.23 10:57, john ashby wrote:
>>> On 21/07/2023 09:10, krw wrote:
>>>> On 20.7.23 12:46, Penny wrote:
>>>>> I've been meaning to ask if you ever watch TV. I think you might
>>>>> enjoy the
>>>>> TV version of Annika (Strandhed). In which she's been seconded to
>>>>> Scotland's Marine Homicide Unit.
>>>>
>>>> I think that was originally on Alibi or something and I watched it
>>>> then.   I assume it is not new episodes.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Second series starting on Alibi early August.
>>>
>>> john (will watch (and listen to) anything with Nicola Walker)
>>
>> I think I have already seen two series?
>>
> That's what SiL said too, but we can't find it on iPlayer and IMDB shows
> a 2nd series but has no details about it....

The series recently shown as if new was a repeat - I saw it last year.

--
Kate B

On 24/07/2023 22:29, Kate B wrote:
> On 24/07/2023 15:26, BrritSki wrote:
>> On 22/07/2023 12:50, krw wrote:
>>> On 22.7.23 10:57, john ashby wrote:
>>>> On 21/07/2023 09:10, krw wrote:
>>>>> On 20.7.23 12:46, Penny wrote:
>>>>>> I've been meaning to ask if you ever watch TV. I think you might
>>>>>> enjoy the
>>>>>> TV version of Annika (Strandhed). In which she's been seconded to
>>>>>> Scotland's Marine Homicide Unit.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that was originally on Alibi or something and I watched it
>>>>> then.   I assume it is not new episodes.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Second series starting on Alibi early August.
>>>>
>>>> john (will watch (and listen to) anything with Nicola Walker)
>>>
>>> I think I have already seen two series?
>>>
>> That's what SiL said too, but we can't find it on iPlayer and IMDB
>> shows a 2nd series but has no details about it....
>
> The series recently shown as if new was a repeat - I saw it last year.
>
Exactly.

On 25.7.23 09:59, BrritSki wrote:
> On 24/07/2023 22:29, Kate B wrote:
>> On 24/07/2023 15:26, BrritSki wrote:
>>> On 22/07/2023 12:50, krw wrote:
>>>> On 22.7.23 10:57, john ashby wrote:
>>>>> On 21/07/2023 09:10, krw wrote:
>>>>>> On 20.7.23 12:46, Penny wrote:
>>>>>>> I've been meaning to ask if you ever watch TV. I think you might
>>>>>>> enjoy the
>>>>>>> TV version of Annika (Strandhed). In which she's been seconded to
>>>>>>> Scotland's Marine Homicide Unit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think that was originally on Alibi or something and I watched it
>>>>>> then.   I assume it is not new episodes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Second series starting on Alibi early August.
>>>>>
>>>>> john (will watch (and listen to) anything with Nicola Walker)
>>>>
>>>> I think I have already seen two series?
>>>>
>>> That's what SiL said too, but we can't find it on iPlayer and IMDB
>>> shows a 2nd series but has no details about it....
>>
>> The series recently shown as if new was a repeat - I saw it last year.
>>
> Exactly.
>

Imdb admits to two series of six episodes each:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13643704/episodes?ref_=tt_eps_sm

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

On 25/07/2023 11:10, krw wrote:
> On 25.7.23 09:59, BrritSki wrote:
>> On 24/07/2023 22:29, Kate B wrote:
>>> On 24/07/2023 15:26, BrritSki wrote:
>>>> On 22/07/2023 12:50, krw wrote:
>>>>> On 22.7.23 10:57, john ashby wrote:
>>>>>> On 21/07/2023 09:10, krw wrote:
>>>>>>> On 20.7.23 12:46, Penny wrote:
>>>>>>>> I've been meaning to ask if you ever watch TV. I think you might
>>>>>>>> enjoy the
>>>>>>>> TV version of Annika (Strandhed). In which she's been seconded to
>>>>>>>> Scotland's Marine Homicide Unit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think that was originally on Alibi or something and I watched
>>>>>>> it then.   I assume it is not new episodes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Second series starting on Alibi early August.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> john (will watch (and listen to) anything with Nicola Walker)
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I have already seen two series?
>>>>>
>>>> That's what SiL said too, but we can't find it on iPlayer and IMDB
>>>> shows a 2nd series but has no details about it....
>>>
>>> The series recently shown as if new was a repeat - I saw it last year.
>>>
>> Exactly.
>>
>
> Imdb admits to two series of six episodes each:
> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13643704/episodes?ref_=tt_eps_sm
>

The second of which (as I said earlier) is due to screen on Alibi in
early August.

john

On 25/07/2023 11:10, krw wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I have already seen two series?
>>>>>
>>>> That's what SiL said too, but we can't find it on iPlayer and IMDB
>>>> shows a 2nd series but has no details about it....
>>>
>>> The series recently shown as if new was a repeat - I saw it last year.
>>>
>> Exactly.
>>
>
> Imdb admits to two series of six episodes each:
> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13643704/episodes?ref_=tt_eps_sm
>
Yes, and for each episode for Series 2 it says (and has done for several
weeks cos I looked at the start of the month when SiL made this claim):

"Know what this is about?
Be the first one to add a plot."

On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 11:37:20 +0100, john ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com>
scrawled in the dust...

>On 25/07/2023 11:10, krw wrote:
>> On 25.7.23 09:59, BrritSki wrote:
>>> On 24/07/2023 22:29, Kate B wrote:
>>>> On 24/07/2023 15:26, BrritSki wrote:
>>>>> On 22/07/2023 12:50, krw wrote:
>>>>>> On 22.7.23 10:57, john ashby wrote:
>>>>>>> On 21/07/2023 09:10, krw wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 20.7.23 12:46, Penny wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I've been meaning to ask if you ever watch TV. I think you might
>>>>>>>>> enjoy the
>>>>>>>>> TV version of Annika (Strandhed). In which she's been seconded to
>>>>>>>>> Scotland's Marine Homicide Unit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think that was originally on Alibi or something and I watched
>>>>>>>> it then.   I assume it is not new episodes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Second series starting on Alibi early August.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> john (will watch (and listen to) anything with Nicola Walker)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think I have already seen two series?
>>>>>>
>>>>> That's what SiL said too, but we can't find it on iPlayer and IMDB
>>>>> shows a 2nd series but has no details about it....
>>>>
>>>> The series recently shown as if new was a repeat - I saw it last year.
>>>>
>>> Exactly.
>>>
>>
>> Imdb admits to two series of six episodes each:
>> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13643704/episodes?ref_=tt_eps_sm
>>
>
>The second of which (as I said earlier) is due to screen on Alibi in
>early August.

Sadly, Alibi is not available on Freesat :(
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959