https://www.fatbastard.com/ :-)

On 27/07/2023 09:55, Tim wrote:
> https://www.fatbastard.com/   :-)
>
Ah forget it, it's not French after all but in N. America. My mistake,
but a great label anyway.

Tim <nobody@home.co.uk> wrote in news:u9tc08$1rc3n$2@dont-email.me:

> On 27/07/2023 09:55, Tim wrote:
>> https://www.fatbastard.com/   :-)
>>
> Ah forget it, it's not French after all but in N. America. My mistake,
> but a great label anyway.
>

it's French plonk from VdP d'Oc with a stupid name, which usually means
mediocre wine with an inflated price

there are some great wines from SW France but if the Domaine is not willing
to put their name on it ...

On 27/07/2023 10:05, Tim wrote:
> On 27/07/2023 09:55, Tim wrote:
>> https://www.fatbastard.com/   :-)
>>
> Ah forget it, it's not French after all but in N. America. My mistake,
> but a great label anyway.

The mere name would put me off ever drinking it.
Dogs Bollox beer has the same effect.
A tacky name to hook the punters.
Good luck to 'em.[1]

Chris
[1] I was being ironic. Could you tell?
--
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Yamaha XV750SE & Suzuki GS550t
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On 27/07/2023 15:25, chrisnd @ukrm wrote:
> On 27/07/2023 10:05, Tim wrote:
>> On 27/07/2023 09:55, Tim wrote:
>>> https://www.fatbastard.com/   :-)
>>>
>> Ah forget it, it's not French after all but in N. America. My mistake,
>> but a great label anyway.
>
> The mere name would put me off ever drinking it.
> Dogs Bollox beer has the same effect.
> A tacky name to hook the punters.
> Good luck to 'em.[1]
>
> Chris
> [1] I was being ironic. Could you tell?

Dog's bollocks equates to cat's whiskers and is well ensconced in the
language.

Fat bastard is too, but I can understand your reluctance to encourage it

Elgood's Black Dog has unfortunate connotations <Winston Churchill qv>
but *THAT* (mild) is the dog's ^h^h^h^ whiskers.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On 27/07/2023 09:55, Tim wrote:
> https://www.fatbastard.com/   :-)

This place should make it their house wine...
<https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjANXCB>

--
Bruce Horrocks
FJR1300AS

On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 10:56:38 -0000 (UTC), wessie
<willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:

>Tim <nobody@home.co.uk> wrote in news:u9tc08$1rc3n$2@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 27/07/2023 09:55, Tim wrote:
>>> https://www.fatbastard.com/   :-)
>>>
>> Ah forget it, it's not French after all but in N. America. My mistake,
>> but a great label anyway.
>>
>
>it's French plonk from VdP d'Oc with a stupid name, which usually means
>mediocre wine with an inflated price

Quite the opposite IME. Recent years has seen a lot of good priced,
decent quality stuff being produced there. It's not a premium brand
region, so prices stay low and much of it is bottled or bixed by
Supermarkets under their own brands.

Been drinking Pays d'Oc Chardonnay from Lidl as our day-to-day white
for a few years now after doing some blind tasting alongside a couple
of Petits Chablis, where it was actually the preferred choice of three
out of four of us.
--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

RustyHinge wrote:
> Elgood's Black Dog has unfortunate connotations <Winston Churchill qv>
> but *THAT* (mild) is the dog's ^h^h^h^ whiskers.

Elgood's Black Dog, being from East Anglia, is probably referencing
'Black Shuck' - hellhound, portend of death, etc.

That may well be the source of the 'depression' usage though.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Shuck

On 28/07/2023 08:05, Sqirrel99 wrote:
> RustyHinge wrote:
>> Elgood's Black Dog has unfortunate connotations <Winston Churchill qv>
>> but *THAT* (mild) is the dog's ^h^h^h^ whiskers.
>
> Elgood's Black Dog, being from East Anglia, is probably referencing
> 'Black Shuck' - hellhound, portend of death, etc.
>
> That may well be the source of the 'depression' usage though.
>
> See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Shuck

My doggie. Very friendly.

--
Old Nick

On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 8:05:46 AM UTC+1, Sqirrel99 wrote:

> Elgood's Black Dog, being from East Anglia, is probably referencing
> 'Black Shuck' - hellhound, portend of death, etc.
>
> That may well be the source of the 'depression' usage though.
>
> See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Shuck

That, exactly. Elwood’s brewery is /was just along the road from my old school, drank a lot of their stuff back in the day. The head brewer was a school mate’s dad

On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 16:32:22 +0100, RustyHinge
<rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:

>Elgood's Black Dog has unfortunate connotations <Winston Churchill qv>

Having recently listened to the 2-part edition of Origin Story [1] on
Churchil [2], I can tell you that:
- Winston Churchill almost certainly didn't suffer from depression
- there's only one recorded instance of him using the phrase "black
dog", and that was in about 1910

[1] Absolutely bloody brilliant. Like listening to a couple of your
smart and well-read mates explain something.
[2] https://megaphone.link/PMO7106652193
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote in news:sio6cilmia1u2blbki22as86jk1lmc3oa7@
4ax.com:

> On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 10:56:38 -0000 (UTC), wessie
> <willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:
>
>>Tim <nobody@home.co.uk> wrote in news:u9tc08$1rc3n$2@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 27/07/2023 09:55, Tim wrote:
>>>> https://www.fatbastard.com/   :-)
>>>>
>>> Ah forget it, it's not French after all but in N. America. My
mistake,
>>> but a great label anyway.
>>>
>>
>>it's French plonk from VdP d'Oc with a stupid name, which usually
means
>>mediocre wine with an inflated price
>
> Quite the opposite IME. Recent years has seen a lot of good priced,
> decent quality stuff being produced there. It's not a premium brand
> region, so prices stay low and much of it is bottled or bixed by
> Supermarkets under their own brands.
>

you snipped the bit where I said SW France produces lots of decent
wines. Those stocked by Lidl etc usually have the name of the Domaine,
Negociant, Co-op or winemaker on them. Often it might just be the Fxxxxx
number of spmene like Calvet.

It's the wines with silly names that I am dissing.
> Been drinking Pays d'Oc Chardonnay from Lidl as our day-to-day white
> for a few years now after doing some blind tasting alongside a couple
> of Petits Chablis, where it was actually the preferred choice of three
> out of four of us.

yes, I was drinking a Tesco Chardonnay earlier this week. A Vin de
France but the maker had put their name on it. It was very drinkable.

On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 15:05:09 -0000 (UTC), wessie
<willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:

>
>you snipped the bit where I said SW France produces lots of decent
>wines. Those stocked by Lidl etc usually have the name of the Domaine,
>Negociant, Co-op or winemaker on them. Often it might just be the Fxxxxx
>number of spmene like Calvet.

Not over here they don't. Lidl and Aldi buy in bulk at source, then
finish production, bottling etc. centrally at their own plants in
Germany, so the only names on the bottle/box are their's.

>It's the wines with silly names that I am dissing.

Furry muff. Just like the awful branded stuff that used to hit the UK
market back in the day, Piat d'Or and the like. Not good enough for
the French, so they ship it off to Britain where they won't know any
better.
--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

Tim wrote:

> On 27/07/2023 09:55, Tim wrote:
> > https://www.fatbastard.com/   :-)
> >
> Ah forget it, it's not French after all but in N. America. My
> mistake, but a great label anyway.

They've been selling that in the largest Dutch supermarket chain for at
least the last 6 years. It's OK IMO but I usually move onto something
else after a few bottles and then come back to it after a year or so.
Might be just me, but I find it has a very mellowing effect as opposed
to some other wines and beers which are more "come out fighting".
Supermarket here lists the supplier as:

Maison Gabriel Meffre
2 Route des Princes d'Orange, GIGONDAS, France
gabriel-meffre@meffre.com
https://www.gabriel-meffre.fr

--

Geoff
NTV650

Ace wrote:

<SNIP>

>
> > It's the wines with silly names that I am dissing.
>
> Furry muff. Just like the awful branded stuff that used to hit the UK
> market back in the day, Piat d'Or and the like. Not good enough for
> the French, so they ship it off to Britain where they won't know any
> better.

A Dutch tomato grower once told me - The top quality goes to Germany
(prepared to pay for quality), the medium stuff stays in Holland and
the rest goes to Britain (cheapness a priority).

--

Geoff
NTV650

"GeoffC" <me@invalid.nl> wrote in news:ua5899$2tmch$1@dont-email.me:

> Tim wrote:
>
>> On 27/07/2023 09:55, Tim wrote:
>> > https://www.fatbastard.com/   :-)
>> >
>> Ah forget it, it's not French after all but in N. America. My
>> mistake, but a great label anyway.
>
> They've been selling that in the largest Dutch supermarket chain for at
> least the last 6 years. It's OK IMO but I usually move onto something
> else after a few bottles and then come back to it after a year or so.
> Might be just me, but I find it has a very mellowing effect as opposed
> to some other wines and beers which are more "come out fighting".
> Supermarket here lists the supplier as:
>
> Maison Gabriel Meffre
> 2 Route des Princes d'Orange, GIGONDAS, France
> gabriel-meffre@meffre.com
> https://www.gabriel-meffre.fr
>
>

my son is working in Durban SA. He told me he was in a Japanese restaurant
yesterday drinking Fat Bastard Sauv Blanc made in SA.

Seems there is a SA version that also uses a hippo logo
https://www.fatbastardwine.co.za/the-fat-bastards
no indication of the origin as being connected so maybe plagiarism[1]

[1] but which way around?

On 30/07/2023 10:04, GeoffC wrote:
> Ace wrote:
>
> <SNIP>
>
>>
>>> It's the wines with silly names that I am dissing.
>>
>> Furry muff. Just like the awful branded stuff that used to hit the UK
>> market back in the day, Piat d'Or and the like. Not good enough for
>> the French, so they ship it off to Britain where they won't know any
>> better.
>
> A Dutch tomato grower once told me - The top quality goes to Germany
> (prepared to pay for quality), the medium stuff stays in Holland and
> the rest goes to Britain (cheapness a priority).

'Swhy I like to grow my own. Now immobile-ish I tried to grow some on my
windowsill last year, resulting in three tomatoes the size of - um -
hazelnuts..

I'm now having a porch/conservatory put on the house so I can grow
things like tomatoes, chillies, peppers, cucumelons, cucumbers etc.

Some local farm shops have excellent produce.

Note to tomato fanciers: *NEVER* keep the fruit below 6°C: they lose
their flavour, and it doesn't come back whatever you do.

--
Rusty Hinge

To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

wessie wrote:

> "GeoffC" <me@invalid.nl> wrote in news:ua5899$2tmch$1@dont-email.me:
>
> > Tim wrote:
> >
> >> On 27/07/2023 09:55, Tim wrote:
> >> > https://www.fatbastard.com/   :-)
> >> >
> >> Ah forget it, it's not French after all but in N. America. My
> >> mistake, but a great label anyway.
> >
> > They've been selling that in the largest Dutch supermarket chain
> > for at least the last 6 years. It's OK IMO but I usually move onto
> > something else after a few bottles and then come back to it after a
> > year or so. Might be just me, but I find it has a very mellowing
> > effect as opposed to some other wines and beers which are more
> > "come out fighting". Supermarket here lists the supplier as:
> >
> > Maison Gabriel Meffre
> > 2 Route des Princes d'Orange, GIGONDAS, France
> > gabriel-meffre@meffre.com
> > https://www.gabriel-meffre.fr
> >
> >
>
> my son is working in Durban SA. He told me he was in a Japanese
> restaurant yesterday drinking Fat Bastard Sauv Blanc made in SA.
>
> Seems there is a SA version that also uses a hippo logo
> https://www.fatbastardwine.co.za/the-fat-bastards
> no indication of the origin as being connected so maybe plagiarism[1]
>
>
> [1] but which way around?

They both mention Thierry and Guy?

--

Geoff
NTV650

On 7/30/2023 10:42 AM, RustyHinge wrote:
> On 30/07/2023 10:04, GeoffC wrote:
>>
>> A Dutch tomato grower once told me - The top quality goes to Germany
>> (prepared to pay for quality), the medium stuff stays in Holland and
>> the rest goes to Britain (cheapness a priority).
>
> 'Swhy I like to grow my own.
>
YES!

> I'm now having a porch/conservatory put on the house so I can grow
> things like tomatoes, chillies, peppers, cucumelons, cucumbers etc.
>
> Some local farm shops have excellent produce.
>
True, but expensive. The difference between store-bought and
grow-your-own tomatoes is vast, and well worth the small effort. You can
find other veggies cheap enough and with decent flavor, but tomatoes? Oh my.

FWIW, I also grow passion fruit, persimmons, cherimoyas, oranges, dragon
fruit and avocados (they are being a bit difficult, though.) Some of the
exotic fruits can be found selling for >$5 each, which makes them worth
growing.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS & ST1100 (in memoriam)

On 31/07/2023 02:11, Turby wrote:
> On 7/30/2023 10:42 AM, RustyHinge wrote:
>> On 30/07/2023 10:04, GeoffC wrote:
>>>
>>> A Dutch tomato grower once told me - The top quality goes to Germany
>>> (prepared to pay for quality), the medium stuff stays in Holland and
>>> the rest goes to Britain (cheapness a priority).
>>
>> 'Swhy I like to grow my own.
> YES!
>
>> I'm now having a porch/conservatory put on the house so I can grow
>> things like tomatoes, chillies, peppers, cucumelons, cucumbers etc.
>>
>> Some local farm shops have excellent produce.
>>
> True, but expensive. The difference between store-bought and
> grow-your-own tomatoes is vast, and well worth the small effort. You can
> find other veggies cheap enough and with decent flavor, but tomatoes? Oh
> my.
>
> FWIW, I also grow passion fruit, persimmons, cherimoyas, oranges, dragon
> fruit and avocados (they are being a bit difficult, though.) Some of the
> exotic fruits can be found selling for >$5 each, which makes them worth
> growing.
>
Most, if not all of those can be grown in the (sheltered) British
climate: there is at least one avocado which is growing somewhere in
that London, and which fruits reliably (reportedly). Oranges - most
varieties - wouldn't, though I'd think Seville oranges might.
Passionfruit do, but can have 'bad years'. dunno about the rest.

I favour tomato varieties Ailsa Craig, Shirley, Alicante. Moneymaker's
only fit for using as missiles.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the
n\BOFH.

On 30/07/2023 18:42, RustyHinge wrote:
> On 30/07/2023 10:04, GeoffC wrote:
>> Ace wrote:
>>
>> <SNIP>
>>
>>>
>>>> It's the wines with silly names that I am dissing.
>>>
>>> Furry muff. Just like the awful branded stuff that used to hit the UK
>>> market back in the day, Piat d'Or and the like. Not good enough for
>>> the French, so they ship it off to Britain where they won't know any
>>> better.
>>
>> A Dutch tomato grower once told me - The top quality goes to Germany
>> (prepared to pay for quality), the medium stuff stays in Holland and
>> the rest goes to Britain (cheapness a priority).
>
> 'Swhy I like to grow my own. Now immobile-ish I tried to grow some on my
> windowsill last year, resulting in three tomatoes the size of  -  um  -
> hazelnuts..
>
> I'm now having a porch/conservatory put on the house so I can grow
> things like tomatoes, chillies, peppers, cucumelons, cucumbers etc.
>

My lean-to greenhouse is a third of the size of the stand-alone one we
had at the last place. Still jolly good for raising salad crops in trays
(can't beat a young lollo rosso), cherry tomatoes (Sweet Million this
year - OK but not as good as 'Sungold') and courgettes (Defender for the
win).

--
Moto Morini 2C/375
Gilera 175 Sport, Husqvarna 401 Svartpilen
Honda CB250RS (Not Waynetta!)
"Do not adjust your mind, there is a fault in the reality"

On 31/07/2023 09:58, Pete Fisher wrote:
> On 30/07/2023 18:42, RustyHinge wrote:
>> On 30/07/2023 10:04, GeoffC wrote:
>>> Ace wrote:
>>>
>>> <SNIP>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> It's the wines with silly names that I am dissing.
>>>>
>>>> Furry muff. Just like the awful branded stuff that used to hit the UK
>>>> market back in the day, Piat d'Or and the like. Not good enough for
>>>> the French, so they ship it off to Britain where they won't know any
>>>> better.
>>>
>>> A Dutch tomato grower once told me - The top quality goes to Germany
>>> (prepared to pay for quality), the medium stuff stays in Holland and
>>> the rest goes to Britain (cheapness a priority).
>>
>> 'Swhy I like to grow my own. Now immobile-ish I tried to grow some on
>> my windowsill last year, resulting in three tomatoes the size of  -
>> um  - hazelnuts..
>>
>> I'm now having a porch/conservatory put on the house so I can grow
>> things like tomatoes, chillies, peppers, cucumelons, cucumbers etc.
>>
>
> My lean-to greenhouse is a third of the size of the stand-alone one we
> had at the last place. Still jolly good for raising salad crops in trays
> (can't beat a young lollo rosso), cherry tomatoes (Sweet Million this
> year - OK but not as good as 'Sungold') and courgettes (Defender for the
> win).
>
Save tea and coffee bags (dried), sow with mustard & cress or similar
and keep watered. Sandwich-sized crop for easy snipping.

Downside is nosy neighbours thinking you're tight.

Coffee bags so treated can be compostd. Not all teabags can.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On Sun, 30 Jul 2023 18:11:38 -0700, Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:

>FWIW, I also grow passion fruit, persimmons, cherimoyas, oranges, dragon
>fruit and avocados

<a non-fruit-eater writes>
Of that list, I've only ever heard of oranges and avocados! Up until
now, I thought persimmon was just a colour :-)
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

Turby wrote:

> On 7/30/2023 10:42 AM, RustyHinge wrote:
> > On 30/07/2023 10:04, GeoffC wrote:
> > >
> > > A Dutch tomato grower once told me - The top quality goes to
> > > Germany (prepared to pay for quality), the medium stuff stays in
> > > Holland and the rest goes to Britain (cheapness a priority).
> >
> > 'Swhy I like to grow my own.
> YES!
>
> > I'm now having a porch/conservatory put on the house so I can grow
> > things like tomatoes, chillies, peppers, cucumelons, cucumbers etc.
> >
> > Some local farm shops have excellent produce.
> >
> True, but expensive. The difference between store-bought and
> grow-your-own tomatoes is vast, and well worth the small effort. You
> can find other veggies cheap enough and with decent flavor, but
> tomatoes? Oh my.
>
> FWIW, I also grow passion fruit, persimmons, cherimoyas, oranges,
> dragon fruit and avocados (they are being a bit difficult, though.)
> Some of the exotic fruits can be found selling for >$5 each, which
> makes them worth growing.

We shall be in Sussex next week and there is a Pick Your Own farm
nearby. Their raspberries are next level, I think mainly because you
can pick them ripe, ie. when you touch the fruit on the bush (oohher
missus) it falls off in your hand and you have to eat them the same
day. When the plums are ripe they are similarly delicious.
I think it is the pre-ripe harvesting and
packaging/transport/distribution that ruins a lot of fruit. Hard and
tasteless.

--

Geoff
NTV650

On 31/07/2023 15:21, GeoffC wrote:
> Turby wrote:
>
>> On 7/30/2023 10:42 AM, RustyHinge wrote:
>>> On 30/07/2023 10:04, GeoffC wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A Dutch tomato grower once told me - The top quality goes to
>>>> Germany (prepared to pay for quality), the medium stuff stays in
>>>> Holland and the rest goes to Britain (cheapness a priority).
>>>
>>> 'Swhy I like to grow my own.
>> YES!
>>
>>> I'm now having a porch/conservatory put on the house so I can grow
>>> things like tomatoes, chillies, peppers, cucumelons, cucumbers etc.
>>>
>>> Some local farm shops have excellent produce.
>>>
>> True, but expensive. The difference between store-bought and
>> grow-your-own tomatoes is vast, and well worth the small effort. You
>> can find other veggies cheap enough and with decent flavor, but
>> tomatoes? Oh my.
>>
>> FWIW, I also grow passion fruit, persimmons, cherimoyas, oranges,
>> dragon fruit and avocados (they are being a bit difficult, though.)
>> Some of the exotic fruits can be found selling for >$5 each, which
>> makes them worth growing.
>
> We shall be in Sussex next week and there is a Pick Your Own farm
> nearby. Their raspberries are next level, I think mainly because you
> can pick them ripe, ie. when you touch the fruit on the bush (oohher
> missus) it falls off in your hand and you have to eat them the same
> day. When the plums are ripe they are similarly delicious.
> I think it is the pre-ripe harvesting and
> packaging/transport/distribution that ruins a lot of fruit. Hard and
> tasteless.

Yes indeed. I chopped-up an avocado yesterday - been 'ripenng' in a cool
place for about a month,andstill as hard as very hard thing and tasty as
a flavourless thing.

I threw a punnet of flavourless plums (less 1⅞) poisoned by
non-washoffable squits-inducing insecticide so no great loss.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.