Am I right in thinking that some time ago Laura Spira mentioned the high
speed commuter bus between Oxford and London? I've asked Laura in the other
place, but in case she doesn't see it or someone else knows, is it to be
recommended? I'm trying to find somewhere to meet my son. He's suggested
Oxford and that bus would be brilliant for him. I would probably get a
train. Also, does anyone know if the Oxford bus terminal is anywhere near
the railway station?

I thought I'd ask here on the grounds that umra knows everything.

--
Sally in Shropshire, UK

On 23/08/2023 18:27, Sally Thompson wrote:
> Am I right in thinking that some time ago Laura Spira mentioned the high
> speed commuter bus between Oxford and London? I've asked Laura in the other
> place, but in case she doesn't see it or someone else knows, is it to be
> recommended? I'm trying to find somewhere to meet my son. He's suggested
> Oxford and that bus would be brilliant for him. I would probably get a
> train. Also, does anyone know if the Oxford bus terminal is anywhere near
> the railway station?
>
> I thought I'd ask here on the grounds that umra knows everything.
>
>

It's pretty good, I use it myself for preference.
Oxford Tube from Victoria, Marble Arch, Notting Hill Gate, Shepherd's
Bush or Hillingdon.The Oxford terminus at Gloucester Green is a five
minute walk from the train station.

Google maps will give the exact stops to board in London, the one I'm
most familiar with is Marble Arch which is just outside Hyde Park by
Speakers' Corner. Victoria is on a triangular garden.

john

On 23/08/2023 19:05, John Ashby wrote:
> On 23/08/2023 18:27, Sally Thompson wrote:
>> Am I right in thinking that some time ago Laura Spira mentioned the high
>> speed commuter bus between Oxford and London? I've asked Laura in the
>> other
>> place, but in case she doesn't see it or someone else knows, is it to be
>> recommended? I'm trying to find somewhere to meet my son. He's suggested
>> Oxford and that bus would be brilliant for him. I would probably get a
>> train. Also, does anyone know if the Oxford bus terminal is anywhere near
>> the railway station?
>>
>> I thought I'd ask here on the grounds that umra knows everything.
>>
>>
>
> It's pretty good, I use it myself for preference.
> Oxford Tube from Victoria, Marble Arch, Notting Hill Gate, Shepherd's
> Bush or Hillingdon.The Oxford terminus at Gloucester Green is a five
> minute walk from the train station.
>
> Google maps will give the exact stops to board in London, the one I'm
> most familiar with is Marble Arch which is just outside Hyde Park by
> Speakers' Corner. Victoria is on a triangular garden.
>
> john

There used to be two buses from Victoria, the Oxford Tube and the X90,
which now I look it up, seems to have been discontinued just before the
pandemic, just goes to show how long since I bussed from London to
Oxford... but the Tube is very frequent and reliable, it goes from
various stops from Victoria westwards, as John mentioned, and lands you
in the centre of Oxford (St Clements, Queens Lane, St Aldates,
Gloucester Green) rather than fifteen minutes walk (might be five if you
have long fast legs...) away. I'd always take the bus - it's much
cheaper and it doesn't even take that much longer on a good day,
particularly if you live in south or east London, ie the wrong side for
Paddington.

Where in London are you coming from?

--
Kate B

In message <kkne9oF4l8bU1@mid.individual.net> at Wed, 23 Aug 2023
23:07:53, Kate B <elvira@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes
>On 23/08/2023 19:05, John Ashby wrote:
>> On 23/08/2023 18:27, Sally Thompson wrote:
>>> Am I right in thinking that some time ago Laura Spira mentioned the high
>>> speed commuter bus between Oxford and London? I've asked Laura in
>>>the other
>>> place, but in case she doesn't see it or someone else knows, is it to be
>>> recommended? I'm trying to find somewhere to meet my son. He's suggested
>>> Oxford and that bus would be brilliant for him. I would probably get a
>>> train. Also, does anyone know if the Oxford bus terminal is anywhere near
>>> the railway station?
>>>
>>> I thought I'd ask here on the grounds that umra knows everything.
>>>
>>>
>> It's pretty good, I use it myself for preference.
>> Oxford Tube from Victoria, Marble Arch, Notting Hill Gate, Shepherd's
>>Bush or Hillingdon.The Oxford terminus at Gloucester Green is a five
>>minute walk from the train station.

My brother used to heartily endorse it, and the odd time I've joined him
on it, it has seemed a good service.

>> Google maps will give the exact stops to board in London, the one
>>I'm most familiar with is Marble Arch which is just outside Hyde Park
>>by Speakers' Corner. Victoria is on a triangular garden.
>> john

(I think it was the Marble Arch stop Peter liked, as there was - maybe
still is - a good second-hand record shop near it.)
>
>There used to be two buses from Victoria, the Oxford Tube and the X90,
>which now I look it up, seems to have been discontinued just before the
>pandemic, just goes to show how long since I bussed from London to
>Oxford... but the Tube is very frequent and reliable, it goes from
>various stops from Victoria westwards, as John mentioned, and lands you
>in the centre of Oxford (St Clements, Queens Lane, St Aldates,
>Gloucester Green) rather than fifteen minutes walk (might be five if
>you have long fast legs...) away. I'd always take the bus - it's much
>cheaper and it doesn't even take that much longer on a good day,
>particularly if you live in south or east London, ie the wrong side for
>Paddington.

I think it was/is the Tube that Peter likes.
>
>Where in London are you coming from?
>
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Old soldiers never die - only young ones

Kate B <elvira@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 23/08/2023 19:05, John Ashby wrote:
>> On 23/08/2023 18:27, Sally Thompson wrote:
>>> Am I right in thinking that some time ago Laura Spira mentioned the high
>>> speed commuter bus between Oxford and London? I've asked Laura in the
>>> other
>>> place, but in case she doesn't see it or someone else knows, is it to be
>>> recommended? I'm trying to find somewhere to meet my son. He's suggested
>>> Oxford and that bus would be brilliant for him. I would probably get a
>>> train. Also, does anyone know if the Oxford bus terminal is anywhere near
>>> the railway station?
>>>
>>> I thought I'd ask here on the grounds that umra knows everything.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> It's pretty good, I use it myself for preference.
>> Oxford Tube from Victoria, Marble Arch, Notting Hill Gate, Shepherd's
>> Bush or Hillingdon.The Oxford terminus at Gloucester Green is a five
>> minute walk from the train station.
>>
>> Google maps will give the exact stops to board in London, the one I'm
>> most familiar with is Marble Arch which is just outside Hyde Park by
>> Speakers' Corner. Victoria is on a triangular garden.
>>
>> john
>
> There used to be two buses from Victoria, the Oxford Tube and the X90,
> which now I look it up, seems to have been discontinued just before the
> pandemic, just goes to show how long since I bussed from London to
> Oxford... but the Tube is very frequent and reliable, it goes from
> various stops from Victoria westwards, as John mentioned, and lands you
> in the centre of Oxford (St Clements, Queens Lane, St Aldates,
> Gloucester Green) rather than fifteen minutes walk (might be five if you
> have long fast legs...) away. I'd always take the bus - it's much
> cheaper and it doesn't even take that much longer on a good day,
> particularly if you live in south or east London, ie the wrong side for
> Paddington.
>
> Where in London are you coming from?
>

I'm not:-). Son lives in Gillingham in Kent and I live in Shropshire and
son suggested Oxford as a meeting place. Having looked at trains, I think
it likely that I will drive and use the park and ride and meet him
somewhere. An electric car, so no fuel costs to consider. Car park and bus
fees from the park and ride would be far cheaper than the train, too.

--
Sally in Shropshire, UK

On 24/08/2023 18:05, Sally Thompson wrote:
> Kate B <elvira@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 23/08/2023 19:05, John Ashby wrote:
>>> On 23/08/2023 18:27, Sally Thompson wrote:
>>>> Am I right in thinking that some time ago Laura Spira mentioned the high
>>>> speed commuter bus between Oxford and London? I've asked Laura in the
>>>> other
>>>> place, but in case she doesn't see it or someone else knows, is it to be
>>>> recommended? I'm trying to find somewhere to meet my son. He's suggested
>>>> Oxford and that bus would be brilliant for him. I would probably get a
>>>> train. Also, does anyone know if the Oxford bus terminal is anywhere near
>>>> the railway station?
>>>>
>>>> I thought I'd ask here on the grounds that umra knows everything.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's pretty good, I use it myself for preference.
>>> Oxford Tube from Victoria, Marble Arch, Notting Hill Gate, Shepherd's
>>> Bush or Hillingdon.The Oxford terminus at Gloucester Green is a five
>>> minute walk from the train station.
>>>
>>> Google maps will give the exact stops to board in London, the one I'm
>>> most familiar with is Marble Arch which is just outside Hyde Park by
>>> Speakers' Corner. Victoria is on a triangular garden.
>>>
>>> john
>>
>> There used to be two buses from Victoria, the Oxford Tube and the X90,
>> which now I look it up, seems to have been discontinued just before the
>> pandemic, just goes to show how long since I bussed from London to
>> Oxford... but the Tube is very frequent and reliable, it goes from
>> various stops from Victoria westwards, as John mentioned, and lands you
>> in the centre of Oxford (St Clements, Queens Lane, St Aldates,
>> Gloucester Green) rather than fifteen minutes walk (might be five if you
>> have long fast legs...) away. I'd always take the bus - it's much
>> cheaper and it doesn't even take that much longer on a good day,
>> particularly if you live in south or east London, ie the wrong side for
>> Paddington.
>>
>> Where in London are you coming from?
>>
>
> I'm not:-). Son lives in Gillingham in Kent and I live in Shropshire and
> son suggested Oxford as a meeting place. Having looked at trains, I think
> it likely that I will drive and use the park and ride and meet him
> somewhere. An electric car, so no fuel costs to consider. Car park and bus
> fees from the park and ride would be far cheaper than the train, too.
>
That is by far and away the best solution of all! There are several Park
and Rides round Oxford, two on the north and one on the east that should
do. They are excellent, plenty of space and lots of connecting buses
which are free if you have a bus pass.

https://www.oxford.gov.uk/parkandridesites

--
Kate B

On 25/08/2023 10:31, Kate B wrote:
> On 24/08/2023 18:05, Sally Thompson wrote:
>> Kate B <elvira@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 23/08/2023 19:05, John Ashby wrote:
>>>> On 23/08/2023 18:27, Sally Thompson wrote:
>>>>> Am I right in thinking that some time ago Laura Spira mentioned the
>>>>> high
>>>>> speed commuter bus between Oxford and London? I've asked Laura in the
>>>>> other
>>>>> place, but in case she doesn't see it or someone else knows, is it
>>>>> to be
>>>>> recommended? I'm trying to find somewhere to meet my son. He's
>>>>> suggested
>>>>> Oxford and that bus would be brilliant for him. I would probably get a
>>>>> train. Also, does anyone know if the Oxford bus terminal is
>>>>> anywhere near
>>>>> the railway station?
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought I'd ask here on the grounds that umra knows everything.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's pretty good, I use it myself for preference.
>>>> Oxford Tube from Victoria, Marble Arch, Notting Hill Gate, Shepherd's
>>>> Bush or Hillingdon.The Oxford terminus at Gloucester Green is a five
>>>> minute walk from the train station.
>>>>
>>>> Google maps will give the exact stops to board in London, the one I'm
>>>> most familiar with is Marble Arch which is just outside Hyde Park by
>>>> Speakers' Corner. Victoria is on a triangular garden.
>>>>
>>>> john
>>>
>>> There used to be two buses from Victoria, the Oxford Tube and the X90,
>>> which now I look it up, seems to have been discontinued just before the
>>> pandemic, just goes to show how long since I bussed from London to
>>> Oxford... but the Tube is very frequent and reliable, it goes from
>>> various stops from Victoria westwards, as John mentioned, and lands you
>>> in the centre of Oxford (St Clements, Queens Lane, St Aldates,
>>> Gloucester Green) rather than fifteen minutes walk (might be five if you
>>> have long fast legs...) away. I'd always take the bus - it's much
>>> cheaper and it doesn't even take that much longer on a good day,
>>> particularly if you live in south or east London, ie the wrong side for
>>> Paddington.
>>>
>>> Where in London are you coming from?
>>>
>>
>> I'm not:-). Son lives in Gillingham in Kent and I live in Shropshire and
>> son suggested Oxford as a meeting place. Having looked at trains, I think
>> it likely that I will drive and use the park and ride and meet him
>> somewhere. An electric car, so no fuel costs to consider. Car park and
>> bus
>> fees from the park and ride would be far cheaper than the train, too.
>>
> That is by far and away the best solution of all! There are several Park
> and Rides round Oxford, two on the north and one on the east that should
> do. They are excellent, plenty of space and lots of connecting buses
> which are free if you have a bus pass.
>
> https://www.oxford.gov.uk/parkandridesites
>
>
Is electricity free in Shropshire?
Steve

On 23/08/2023 18:27, Sally Thompson wrote:
> Am I right in thinking that some time ago Laura Spira mentioned the high
> speed commuter bus between Oxford and London? I've asked Laura in the other
> place, but in case she doesn't see it or someone else knows, is it to be
> recommended? I'm trying to find somewhere to meet my son. He's suggested
> Oxford and that bus would be brilliant for him. I would probably get a
> train. Also, does anyone know if the Oxford bus terminal is anywhere near
> the railway station?
>
> I thought I'd ask here on the grounds that umra knows everything.

Just for completeness, there are trains from Marylebone to Oxford.
Takes longer than Paddington via Reading, but quite a bit cheaper.

--
Cheers
Clive

On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 12:13:45 +0100, Steve Hague <stevehague82@gmail.com>
scrawled in the dust...
>On 25/08/2023 10:31, Kate B wrote:
>> On 24/08/2023 18:05, Sally Thompson wrote:

>>> I'm not:-). Son lives in Gillingham in Kent and I live in Shropshire and
>>> son suggested Oxford as a meeting place. Having looked at trains, I think
>>> it likely that I will drive and use the park and ride and meet him
>>> somewhere. An electric car, so no fuel costs to consider. Car park and
>>> bus
>>> fees from the park and ride would be far cheaper than the train, too.
>>>
>> That is by far and away the best solution of all! There are several Park
>> and Rides round Oxford, two on the north and one on the east that should
>> do. They are excellent, plenty of space and lots of connecting buses
>> which are free if you have a bus pass.
>>
>> https://www.oxford.gov.uk/parkandridesites
>>
>>
>Is electricity free in Shropshire?

Free everywhere when the sun shines, unless you have a battery bank to go
with your solar panels (I don't). Suns out, I should run the washing
machine...
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

Kate B <elvira@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 24/08/2023 18:05, Sally Thompson wrote:
>> Kate B <elvira@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 23/08/2023 19:05, John Ashby wrote:
>>>> On 23/08/2023 18:27, Sally Thompson wrote:
>>>>> Am I right in thinking that some time ago Laura Spira mentioned the high
>>>>> speed commuter bus between Oxford and London? I've asked Laura in the
>>>>> other
>>>>> place, but in case she doesn't see it or someone else knows, is it to be
>>>>> recommended? I'm trying to find somewhere to meet my son. He's suggested
>>>>> Oxford and that bus would be brilliant for him. I would probably get a
>>>>> train. Also, does anyone know if the Oxford bus terminal is anywhere near
>>>>> the railway station?
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought I'd ask here on the grounds that umra knows everything.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's pretty good, I use it myself for preference.
>>>> Oxford Tube from Victoria, Marble Arch, Notting Hill Gate, Shepherd's
>>>> Bush or Hillingdon.The Oxford terminus at Gloucester Green is a five
>>>> minute walk from the train station.
>>>>
>>>> Google maps will give the exact stops to board in London, the one I'm
>>>> most familiar with is Marble Arch which is just outside Hyde Park by
>>>> Speakers' Corner. Victoria is on a triangular garden.
>>>>
>>>> john
>>>
>>> There used to be two buses from Victoria, the Oxford Tube and the X90,
>>> which now I look it up, seems to have been discontinued just before the
>>> pandemic, just goes to show how long since I bussed from London to
>>> Oxford... but the Tube is very frequent and reliable, it goes from
>>> various stops from Victoria westwards, as John mentioned, and lands you
>>> in the centre of Oxford (St Clements, Queens Lane, St Aldates,
>>> Gloucester Green) rather than fifteen minutes walk (might be five if you
>>> have long fast legs...) away. I'd always take the bus - it's much
>>> cheaper and it doesn't even take that much longer on a good day,
>>> particularly if you live in south or east London, ie the wrong side for
>>> Paddington.
>>>
>>> Where in London are you coming from?
>>>
>>
>> I'm not:-). Son lives in Gillingham in Kent and I live in Shropshire and
>> son suggested Oxford as a meeting place. Having looked at trains, I think
>> it likely that I will drive and use the park and ride and meet him
>> somewhere. An electric car, so no fuel costs to consider. Car park and bus
>> fees from the park and ride would be far cheaper than the train, too.
>>
> That is by far and away the best solution of all! There are several Park
> and Rides round Oxford, two on the north and one on the east that should
> do. They are excellent, plenty of space and lots of connecting buses
> which are free if you have a bus pass.
>
> https://www.oxford.gov.uk/parkandridesites
>
>

Laura Spira knows all about park and ride. She lives in Oxford. I know if
you use the bus from London to Oxford, it’s timed as 1.5 hrs but isn’t
reliable. By train, DO NOT use Paddington (so my friends say when we meet
in Oxford). They use Chiltern Railways from Marylebone to Oxford Parkway.
They generally use taxis from there but there will be buses. Again, Laura
knows all this. Thinks, have we seen Laura here lately?

Mrs McT

Clive Arthur <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
> On 23/08/2023 18:27, Sally Thompson wrote:
>> Am I right in thinking that some time ago Laura Spira mentioned the high
>> speed commuter bus between Oxford and London? I've asked Laura in the other
>> place, but in case she doesn't see it or someone else knows, is it to be
>> recommended? I'm trying to find somewhere to meet my son. He's suggested
>> Oxford and that bus would be brilliant for him. I would probably get a
>> train. Also, does anyone know if the Oxford bus terminal is anywhere near
>> the railway station?
>>
>> I thought I'd ask here on the grounds that umra knows everything.
>
> Just for completeness, there are trains from Marylebone to Oxford.
> Takes longer than Paddington via Reading, but quite a bit cheaper.
>

And a damn sight more comfortable than the Worcester trains, plus will be
more than one an hour I or it’s change at Rdg for a stopper. Just don’t!

Mrs McT

Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 12:13:45 +0100, Steve Hague <stevehague82@gmail.com>
> scrawled in the dust...
>> On 25/08/2023 10:31, Kate B wrote:
>>> On 24/08/2023 18:05, Sally Thompson wrote:
>
>>>> I'm not:-). Son lives in Gillingham in Kent and I live in Shropshire and
>>>> son suggested Oxford as a meeting place. Having looked at trains, I think
>>>> it likely that I will drive and use the park and ride and meet him
>>>> somewhere. An electric car, so no fuel costs to consider. Car park and
>>>> bus
>>>> fees from the park and ride would be far cheaper than the train, too.
>>>>
>>> That is by far and away the best solution of all! There are several Park
>>> and Rides round Oxford, two on the north and one on the east that should
>>> do. They are excellent, plenty of space and lots of connecting buses
>>> which are free if you have a bus pass.
>>>
>>> https://www.oxford.gov.uk/parkandridesites
>>>
>>>
>> Is electricity free in Shropshire?
>
> Free everywhere when the sun shines, unless you have a battery bank to go
> with your solar panels (I don't). Suns out, I should run the washing
> machine...

Mr and Mrs SmugGits. :)

Steve Hague <stevehague82@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 25/08/2023 10:31, Kate B wrote:
>> On 24/08/2023 18:05, Sally Thompson wrote:
>>> Kate B <elvira@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 23/08/2023 19:05, John Ashby wrote:
>>>>> On 23/08/2023 18:27, Sally Thompson wrote:
>>>>>> Am I right in thinking that some time ago Laura Spira mentioned the
>>>>>> high
>>>>>> speed commuter bus between Oxford and London? I've asked Laura in the
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> place, but in case she doesn't see it or someone else knows, is it
>>>>>> to be
>>>>>> recommended? I'm trying to find somewhere to meet my son. He's
>>>>>> suggested
>>>>>> Oxford and that bus would be brilliant for him. I would probably get a
>>>>>> train. Also, does anyone know if the Oxford bus terminal is
>>>>>> anywhere near
>>>>>> the railway station?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I thought I'd ask here on the grounds that umra knows everything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's pretty good, I use it myself for preference.
>>>>> Oxford Tube from Victoria, Marble Arch, Notting Hill Gate, Shepherd's
>>>>> Bush or Hillingdon.The Oxford terminus at Gloucester Green is a five
>>>>> minute walk from the train station.
>>>>>
>>>>> Google maps will give the exact stops to board in London, the one I'm
>>>>> most familiar with is Marble Arch which is just outside Hyde Park by
>>>>> Speakers' Corner. Victoria is on a triangular garden.
>>>>>
>>>>> john
>>>>
>>>> There used to be two buses from Victoria, the Oxford Tube and the X90,
>>>> which now I look it up, seems to have been discontinued just before the
>>>> pandemic, just goes to show how long since I bussed from London to
>>>> Oxford... but the Tube is very frequent and reliable, it goes from
>>>> various stops from Victoria westwards, as John mentioned, and lands you
>>>> in the centre of Oxford (St Clements, Queens Lane, St Aldates,
>>>> Gloucester Green) rather than fifteen minutes walk (might be five if you
>>>> have long fast legs...) away. I'd always take the bus - it's much
>>>> cheaper and it doesn't even take that much longer on a good day,
>>>> particularly if you live in south or east London, ie the wrong side for
>>>> Paddington.
>>>>
>>>> Where in London are you coming from?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not:-). Son lives in Gillingham in Kent and I live in Shropshire and
>>> son suggested Oxford as a meeting place. Having looked at trains, I think
>>> it likely that I will drive and use the park and ride and meet him
>>> somewhere. An electric car, so no fuel costs to consider. Car park and
>>> bus
>>> fees from the park and ride would be far cheaper than the train, too.
>>>
>> That is by far and away the best solution of all! There are several Park
>> and Rides round Oxford, two on the north and one on the east that should
>> do. They are excellent, plenty of space and lots of connecting buses
>> which are free if you have a bus pass.
>>
>> https://www.oxford.gov.uk/parkandridesites
>>
>>
> Is electricity free in Shropshire?
>
As good as. EV overnight rate is 9p an hour, plus solar panels.

--
Sally in Shropshire, UK

In message <kktsj8F64r9U1@mid.individual.net> at Sat, 26 Aug 2023
08:48:40, Sally Thompson <thompson.stonybrook@gmail.com.invalid> writes
>Steve Hague <stevehague82@gmail.com> wrote:
[]
>> Is electricity free in Shropshire?
>>
>As good as. EV overnight rate is 9p an hour, plus solar panels.
>
>
>
Presumably that's a kilowatt-hour, so 27p if via an ordinary plug, more
if a special charger point. (Though still cheap - about a fiver to "fill
up"?)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Address the chair!" "There isn't a chair, there's only a rock!" "Well, call
it a chair!" "Why not call it a rock?" (First series, fit the sixth.)

J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
> In message <kktsj8F64r9U1@mid.individual.net> at Sat, 26 Aug 2023
> 08:48:40, Sally Thompson <thompson.stonybrook@gmail.com.invalid> writes
>> Steve Hague <stevehague82@gmail.com> wrote:
> []
>>> Is electricity free in Shropshire?
>>>
>> As good as. EV overnight rate is 9p an hour, plus solar panels.
>>
>>
>>
> Presumably that's a kilowatt-hour, so 27p if via an ordinary plug, more
> if a special charger point. (Though still cheap - about a fiver to "fill
> up"?)

Okay if you really want that much detail. It's actually 9.05p per kWh and I
charge at 6.6 kW per hour on my home charger, so a four hour charge at the
special rate will cost me 38.4p and will put 26.4 kW into the battery. I
have a 40 kW battery, so if I was only charging by that method and from
empty, two nights to fill up would be less than 76.8p. In fact if I leave
the car plugged in and it's a bright day, I will get quite a bit from the
solar panels.

--
Sally in Shropshire, UK

In message <kl0dp6FigisU1@mid.individual.net> at Sun, 27 Aug 2023
07:54:14, Sally Thompson <thompson.stonybrook@gmail.com.invalid> writes
>J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>> In message <kktsj8F64r9U1@mid.individual.net> at Sat, 26 Aug 2023
>> 08:48:40, Sally Thompson <thompson.stonybrook@gmail.com.invalid> writes
>>> Steve Hague <stevehague82@gmail.com> wrote:
>> []
>>>> Is electricity free in Shropshire?
>>>>
>>> As good as. EV overnight rate is 9p an hour, plus solar panels.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Presumably that's a kilowatt-hour, so 27p if via an ordinary plug, more
>> if a special charger point. (Though still cheap - about a fiver to "fill
>> up"?)
>
>Okay if you really want that much detail. It's actually 9.05p per kWh and I
>charge at 6.6 kW per hour on my home charger, so a four hour charge at the
>special rate will cost me 38.4p and will put 26.4 kW into the battery. I

I'm confused: surely 9.05p/kWh at 6.6 kW is 59.73p/hour, or 2.3892
pounds for four hours? (So my guess of a fiver - I'd assumed 8 hours -
wasn't far out?)

>have a 40 kW battery, so if I was only charging by that method and from

Ah, I take it that's not a huge range (probably fine for many people
most of the time though).

>empty, two nights to fill up would be less than 76.8p. In fact if I leave
>the car plugged in and it's a bright day, I will get quite a bit from the
>solar panels.
>
Sounds good.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I'm the oldest woman on primetime not baking cakes.
- Anne Robinson, RT 2015/8/15-21

Sally Thompson <thompson.stonybrook@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>> In message <kktsj8F64r9U1@mid.individual.net> at Sat, 26 Aug 2023
>> 08:48:40, Sally Thompson <thompson.stonybrook@gmail.com.invalid> writes
>>> Steve Hague <stevehague82@gmail.com> wrote:
>> []
>>>> Is electricity free in Shropshire?
>>>>
>>> As good as. EV overnight rate is 9p an hour, plus solar panels.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Presumably that's a kilowatt-hour, so 27p if via an ordinary plug, more
>> if a special charger point. (Though still cheap - about a fiver to "fill
>> up"?)
>
> Okay if you really want that much detail. It's actually 9.05p per kWh and I
> charge at 6.6 kW per hour on my home charger, so a four hour charge at the
> special rate will cost me 38.4p and will put 26.4 kW into the battery. I
> have a 40 kW battery, so if I was only charging by that method and from
> empty, two nights to fill up would be less than 76.8p. In fact if I leave
> the car plugged in and it's a bright day, I will get quite a bit from the
> solar panels.
>

My maths tell me that £0.905 x 6.6 kW/h for 4 hours will cost £2.3892p.

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On 27/08/2023 08:54, Sally Thompson wrote:

<snip>
>
> Okay if you really want that much detail. It's actually 9.05p per kWh and I
> charge at 6.6 kW per hour on my home charger, so a four hour charge at the
> special rate will cost me 38.4p and will put 26.4 kW into the battery. I
> have a 40 kW battery, so if I was only charging by that method and from
> empty, two nights to fill up would be less than 76.8p. In fact if I leave
> the car plugged in and it's a bright day, I will get quite a bit from the
> solar panels.
>

ITYM...

"It's actually 9.05p per kWh and I charge at 6.6 kW on my home charger,
so a four hour charge at this rate will put 26.4 kWh into the battery
which will cost me £2.39. I have a 40 kWh battery, so if I was only
charging by that method, to fill up from empty would be £3.62."

Still cheap, though.

--
Cheers
Clive

Clive Arthur <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
> On 27/08/2023 08:54, Sally Thompson wrote:
>
> <snip>
>>
>> Okay if you really want that much detail. It's actually 9.05p per kWh and I
>> charge at 6.6 kW per hour on my home charger, so a four hour charge at the
>> special rate will cost me 38.4p and will put 26.4 kW into the battery. I
>> have a 40 kW battery, so if I was only charging by that method and from
>> empty, two nights to fill up would be less than 76.8p. In fact if I leave
>> the car plugged in and it's a bright day, I will get quite a bit from the
>> solar panels.
>>
>
> ITYM...
>
> "It's actually 9.05p per kWh and I charge at 6.6 kW on my home charger,
> so a four hour charge at this rate will put 26.4 kWh into the battery
> which will cost me £2.39. I have a 40 kWh battery, so if I was only
> charging by that method, to fill up from empty would be £3.62."
>
> Still cheap, though.
>

Some days I can export most of the PV power and charge the battery during
the cheapest /greenest time (usually, the early hours of the morning) as
this costs less than the fixed export rate. I must say though, that for
imported juice of late, the p. p.kW/h has increased somewhat so I hope this
is a ‘temporary blip. I suspect some ‘creative accounting’ on behalf of the
NG and the DNO’s might have summat to do with this.

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 11:13:46 AM UTC+1, Mike McMillan wrote:
> Clive Arthur <cl...@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
> > On 27/08/2023 08:54, Sally Thompson wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >>
> >> Okay if you really want that much detail. It's actually 9.05p per kWh and I
> >> charge at 6.6 kW per hour on my home charger, so a four hour charge at the
> >> special rate will cost me 38.4p and will put 26.4 kW into the battery. I
> >> have a 40 kW battery, so if I was only charging by that method and from
> >> empty, two nights to fill up would be less than 76.8p. In fact if I leave
> >> the car plugged in and it's a bright day, I will get quite a bit from the
> >> solar panels.
> >>
> >
> > ITYM...
> >
> > "It's actually 9.05p per kWh and I charge at 6.6 kW on my home charger,
> > so a four hour charge at this rate will put 26.4 kWh into the battery
> > which will cost me £2.39. I have a 40 kWh battery, so if I was only
> > charging by that method, to fill up from empty would be £3.62."
> >
> > Still cheap, though.
> >
> Some days I can export most of the PV power and charge the battery during
> the cheapest /greenest time (usually, the early hours of the morning) as
> this costs less than the fixed export rate. I must say though, that for
> imported juice of late, the p. p.kW/h has increased somewhat so I hope this
> is a ‘temporary blip. I suspect some ‘creative accounting’ on behalf of the
> NG and the DNO’s might have summat to do with this.

Look: I know that Pedantry is UMRA's middle name but hasn't this thread veered rather into the realms of hair-splitting? I'm delighted that those of you who have invested in alternative energy sources are doing so well with it - after all, after helping to save the planet, getting a good return on your investment is important and you all seem to be doing that in spadefuls - hurrah! What the arithmetical differences between you says to me is that at last, we are in the realms of electricity too cheap to meter so don't meter it, enjoy it!

Nick
nickodell49@yahoo.ca

Nick Odell <nickodell@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 11:13:46 AM UTC+1, Mike McMillan wrote:
>> Clive Arthur <cl...@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 27/08/2023 08:54, Sally Thompson wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> Okay if you really want that much detail. It's actually 9.05p per kWh and I
>>>> charge at 6.6 kW per hour on my home charger, so a four hour charge at the
>>>> special rate will cost me 38.4p and will put 26.4 kW into the battery. I
>>>> have a 40 kW battery, so if I was only charging by that method and from
>>>> empty, two nights to fill up would be less than 76.8p. In fact if I leave
>>>> the car plugged in and it's a bright day, I will get quite a bit from the
>>>> solar panels.
>>>>
>>>
>>> ITYM...
>>>
>>> "It's actually 9.05p per kWh and I charge at 6.6 kW on my home charger,
>>> so a four hour charge at this rate will put 26.4 kWh into the battery
>>> which will cost me £2.39. I have a 40 kWh battery, so if I was only
>>> charging by that method, to fill up from empty would be £3.62."
>>>
>>> Still cheap, though.
>>>
>> Some days I can export most of the PV power and charge the battery during
>> the cheapest /greenest time (usually, the early hours of the morning) as
>> this costs less than the fixed export rate. I must say though, that for
>> imported juice of late, the p. p.kW/h has increased somewhat so I hope this
>> is a ‘temporary blip. I suspect some ‘creative accounting’ on behalf of the
>> NG and the DNO’s might have summat to do with this.
>
> Look: I know that Pedantry is UMRA's middle name but hasn't this thread
> veered rather into the realms of hair-splitting? I'm delighted that those
> of you who have invested in alternative energy sources are doing so well
> with it - after all, after helping to save the planet, getting a good
> return on your investment is important and you all seem to be doing that
> in spadefuls - hurrah! What the arithmetical differences between you
> says to me is that at last, we are in the realms of electricity too cheap
> to meter so don't meter it, enjoy it!
>
> Nick
> nickodell49@yahoo.ca
>

I was being told at school in the 1950’s that electricity would be so cheap
to produce that it would not be economic to meter it and thus would be
free. (Mind that low flying porcine creature heading your way.)

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On 27.8.23 12:26, Mike McMillan wrote:
> Nick Odell <nickodell@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 11:13:46 AM UTC+1, Mike McMillan wrote:
>>> Clive Arthur <cl...@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 27/08/2023 08:54, Sally Thompson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> Okay if you really want that much detail. It's actually 9.05p per kWh and I
>>>>> charge at 6.6 kW per hour on my home charger, so a four hour charge at the
>>>>> special rate will cost me 38.4p and will put 26.4 kW into the battery. I
>>>>> have a 40 kW battery, so if I was only charging by that method and from
>>>>> empty, two nights to fill up would be less than 76.8p. In fact if I leave
>>>>> the car plugged in and it's a bright day, I will get quite a bit from the
>>>>> solar panels.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ITYM...
>>>>
>>>> "It's actually 9.05p per kWh and I charge at 6.6 kW on my home charger,
>>>> so a four hour charge at this rate will put 26.4 kWh into the battery
>>>> which will cost me £2.39. I have a 40 kWh battery, so if I was only
>>>> charging by that method, to fill up from empty would be £3.62."
>>>>
>>>> Still cheap, though.
>>>>
>>> Some days I can export most of the PV power and charge the battery during
>>> the cheapest /greenest time (usually, the early hours of the morning) as
>>> this costs less than the fixed export rate. I must say though, that for
>>> imported juice of late, the p. p.kW/h has increased somewhat so I hope this
>>> is a ‘temporary blip. I suspect some ‘creative accounting’ on behalf of the
>>> NG and the DNO’s might have summat to do with this.
>>
>> Look: I know that Pedantry is UMRA's middle name but hasn't this thread
>> veered rather into the realms of hair-splitting? I'm delighted that those
>> of you who have invested in alternative energy sources are doing so well
>> with it - after all, after helping to save the planet, getting a good
>> return on your investment is important and you all seem to be doing that
>> in spadefuls - hurrah! What the arithmetical differences between you
>> says to me is that at last, we are in the realms of electricity too cheap
>> to meter so don't meter it, enjoy it!
>>
>> Nick
>> nickodell49@yahoo.ca
>>
>
> I was being told at school in the 1950’s that electricity would be so cheap
> to produce that it would not be economic to meter it and thus would be
> free. (Mind that low flying porcine creature heading your way.)
>
I was never told that. I was told that North Sea Gas cost nothing to
deliver so would not be worth metering - merely a bill for a standing
charge. I failed to see how sending gas rigs into the North Sea and
connecting them to the mains across the country was "nothing" so became
an accountant to understand this strange meaning of "nothing".

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
> On 27.8.23 12:26, Mike McMillan wrote:
>> Nick Odell <nickodell@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>> On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 11:13:46 AM UTC+1, Mike McMillan wrote:
>>>> Clive Arthur <cl...@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> On 27/08/2023 08:54, Sally Thompson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Okay if you really want that much detail. It's actually 9.05p per kWh and I
>>>>>> charge at 6.6 kW per hour on my home charger, so a four hour charge at the
>>>>>> special rate will cost me 38.4p and will put 26.4 kW into the battery. I
>>>>>> have a 40 kW battery, so if I was only charging by that method and from
>>>>>> empty, two nights to fill up would be less than 76.8p. In fact if I leave
>>>>>> the car plugged in and it's a bright day, I will get quite a bit from the
>>>>>> solar panels.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ITYM...
>>>>>
>>>>> "It's actually 9.05p per kWh and I charge at 6.6 kW on my home charger,
>>>>> so a four hour charge at this rate will put 26.4 kWh into the battery
>>>>> which will cost me £2.39. I have a 40 kWh battery, so if I was only
>>>>> charging by that method, to fill up from empty would be £3.62."
>>>>>
>>>>> Still cheap, though.
>>>>>
>>>> Some days I can export most of the PV power and charge the battery during
>>>> the cheapest /greenest time (usually, the early hours of the morning) as
>>>> this costs less than the fixed export rate. I must say though, that for
>>>> imported juice of late, the p. p.kW/h has increased somewhat so I hope this
>>>> is a ‘temporary blip. I suspect some ‘creative accounting’ on behalf of the
>>>> NG and the DNO’s might have summat to do with this.
>>>
>>> Look: I know that Pedantry is UMRA's middle name but hasn't this thread
>>> veered rather into the realms of hair-splitting? I'm delighted that those
>>> of you who have invested in alternative energy sources are doing so well
>>> with it - after all, after helping to save the planet, getting a good
>>> return on your investment is important and you all seem to be doing that
>>> in spadefuls - hurrah! What the arithmetical differences between you
>>> says to me is that at last, we are in the realms of electricity too cheap
>>> to meter so don't meter it, enjoy it!
>>>
>>> Nick
>>> nickodell49@yahoo.ca
>>>
>>
>> I was being told at school in the 1950’s that electricity would be so cheap
>> to produce that it would not be economic to meter it and thus would be
>> free. (Mind that low flying porcine creature heading your way.)
>>
> I was never told that. I was told that North Sea Gas cost nothing to
> deliver so would not be worth metering - merely a bill for a standing
> charge. I failed to see how sending gas rigs into the North Sea and
> connecting them to the mains across the country was "nothing" so became
> an accountant to understand this strange meaning of "nothing".
>

Ah but…. The true masters of understanding the true meaning of such
expressions as. ‘Nothing’ and ‘not worth metering’ are our polytishuns;
with their true dark arts of mis-understatements and wordspin, everything
can be nothing or everything (quantum verbiage?). We are far too suspicious
and should just trust what they say/feed to us shouldn’t we?

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On Thursday, 24 August 2023 at 18:05:26 UTC+1, Sally Thompson wrote:
> Kate B <elv...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > On 23/08/2023 19:05, John Ashby wrote:
> >> On 23/08/2023 18:27, Sally Thompson wrote:
> >>> Am I right in thinking that some time ago Laura Spira mentioned the high
> >>> speed commuter bus between Oxford and London? I've asked Laura in the
> >>> other
> >>> place, but in case she doesn't see it or someone else knows, is it to be
> >>> recommended? I'm trying to find somewhere to meet my son. He's suggested
> >>> Oxford and that bus would be brilliant for him. I would probably get a
> >>> train. Also, does anyone know if the Oxford bus terminal is anywhere near
> >>> the railway station?
> >>>
> >>> I thought I'd ask here on the grounds that umra knows everything.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> It's pretty good, I use it myself for preference.
> >> Oxford Tube from Victoria, Marble Arch, Notting Hill Gate, Shepherd's
> >> Bush or Hillingdon.The Oxford terminus at Gloucester Green is a five
> >> minute walk from the train station.
> >>
> >> Google maps will give the exact stops to board in London, the one I'm
> >> most familiar with is Marble Arch which is just outside Hyde Park by
> >> Speakers' Corner. Victoria is on a triangular garden.
> >>
> >> john
> >
> > There used to be two buses from Victoria, the Oxford Tube and the X90,
> > which now I look it up, seems to have been discontinued just before the
> > pandemic, just goes to show how long since I bussed from London to
> > Oxford... but the Tube is very frequent and reliable, it goes from
> > various stops from Victoria westwards, as John mentioned, and lands you
> > in the centre of Oxford (St Clements, Queens Lane, St Aldates,
> > Gloucester Green) rather than fifteen minutes walk (might be five if you
> > have long fast legs...) away. I'd always take the bus - it's much
> > cheaper and it doesn't even take that much longer on a good day,
> > particularly if you live in south or east London, ie the wrong side for
> > Paddington.
> >
> > Where in London are you coming from?
> >
> I'm not:-). Son lives in Gillingham in Kent and I live in Shropshire and
> son suggested Oxford as a meeting place. Having looked at trains, I think
> it likely that I will drive and use the park and ride and meet him
> somewhere. An electric car, so no fuel costs to consider. Car park and bus
> fees from the park and ride would be far cheaper than the train, too.
> --
> Sally in Shropshire, UK

Before Lockdown I went to London via Oxford, now and then. Drive to a P&R on the A40 eastward from Oxford and take the bus.

Once I took friends' advice to drive to Oxford Parkway station to go to Marylebone. But coming the other way I don't know how best to get from Oxford Parkway to Oxford centre.

I must get up to London again soon, before Those Marbles are sent to Elgin or stolen.

Tony Smith <agsmith578688@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, 24 August 2023 at 18:05:26 UTC+1, Sally Thompson wrote:
>> Kate B <elv...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 23/08/2023 19:05, John Ashby wrote:
>>>> On 23/08/2023 18:27, Sally Thompson wrote:
>>>>> Am I right in thinking that some time ago Laura Spira mentioned the high
>>>>> speed commuter bus between Oxford and London? I've asked Laura in the
>>>>> other
>>>>> place, but in case she doesn't see it or someone else knows, is it to be
>>>>> recommended? I'm trying to find somewhere to meet my son. He's suggested
>>>>> Oxford and that bus would be brilliant for him. I would probably get a
>>>>> train. Also, does anyone know if the Oxford bus terminal is anywhere near
>>>>> the railway station?
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought I'd ask here on the grounds that umra knows everything.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's pretty good, I use it myself for preference.
>>>> Oxford Tube from Victoria, Marble Arch, Notting Hill Gate, Shepherd's
>>>> Bush or Hillingdon.The Oxford terminus at Gloucester Green is a five
>>>> minute walk from the train station.
>>>>
>>>> Google maps will give the exact stops to board in London, the one I'm
>>>> most familiar with is Marble Arch which is just outside Hyde Park by
>>>> Speakers' Corner. Victoria is on a triangular garden.
>>>>
>>>> john
>>>
>>> There used to be two buses from Victoria, the Oxford Tube and the X90,
>>> which now I look it up, seems to have been discontinued just before the
>>> pandemic, just goes to show how long since I bussed from London to
>>> Oxford... but the Tube is very frequent and reliable, it goes from
>>> various stops from Victoria westwards, as John mentioned, and lands you
>>> in the centre of Oxford (St Clements, Queens Lane, St Aldates,
>>> Gloucester Green) rather than fifteen minutes walk (might be five if you
>>> have long fast legs...) away. I'd always take the bus - it's much
>>> cheaper and it doesn't even take that much longer on a good day,
>>> particularly if you live in south or east London, ie the wrong side for
>>> Paddington.
>>>
>>> Where in London are you coming from?
>>>
>> I'm not:-). Son lives in Gillingham in Kent and I live in Shropshire and
>> son suggested Oxford as a meeting place. Having looked at trains, I think
>> it likely that I will drive and use the park and ride and meet him
>> somewhere. An electric car, so no fuel costs to consider. Car park and bus
>> fees from the park and ride would be far cheaper than the train, too.
>> --
>> Sally in Shropshire, UK
>
> Before Lockdown I went to London via Oxford, now and then. Drive to a P&R
> on the A40 eastward from Oxford and take the bus.
>
> Once I took friends' advice to drive to Oxford Parkway station to go to
> Marylebone. But coming the other way I don't know how best to get from
> Oxford Parkway to Oxford centre.
>
> I must get up to London again soon, before Those Marbles are sent to Elgin or stolen.
>

Shirley, you will be able to find the marbles running along the gutter?

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan