On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 15:34:40 -0000 (UTC), Chris
<chris.mcmillan@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>Chris <chris.mcmillan@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> Sally Thompson <thompson.stonybrook@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>> Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 24 Aug 2023 17:05:23 GMT, Sally Thompson
>>>> <thompson.stonybrook@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where in London are you coming from?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not:-). Son lives in Gillingham in Kent and I live in Shropshire and
>>>>> son suggested Oxford as a meeting place. Having looked at trains, I think
>>>>> it likely that I will drive and use the park and ride and meet him
>>>>> somewhere. An electric car, so no fuel costs to consider. Car park and bus
>>>>> fees from the park and ride would be far cheaper than the train, too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do you feel nervous going longer distances in the electric car. I've
>>>> got one too now and hate the possible miles to go under about 150. It
>>>> can do 300.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not these days. I have some good EV maps (such as ZapMap), and planning is
>>> everything. For really long distances I would want to stop half way anyway.
>>>
>>

I'd have to stop lots on long journeys. At least every hour.

>> There’s a programme somewhere on R4 this week with the chap who used to be
>> on Top Gear talking about EVs. He drives one.
>>
>> Mrs McT
>>
>
>R4, yesterday. 17.00 - 17.40. The Today debate.
>
>Mrs McT

On 28/08/2023 17:33, Vicky wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 05:35:41 -0700 (PDT), Nick Odell
> <nickodell@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 10:54:31?AM UTC+1, Vicky wrote:
>>> On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 23:17:1
>>>>
>>>> Now I no longer understand how the transport works. Possibly the last time
>>>> I was there, I arrived at Victoria Station and needed to get to St Thomas'
>>>> Hospital. Doubtless a bus could have taken me but I'd no idea what an
>>>> Oyster card was or where I could get one. People in London are not known
>>>> for being helpful... It's a long walk.
>>> Just checked and Camden Town tube to Hyde Park Corner tube cost £2.80
>>> using the Oyster card. You can keep funds on it and they don't seem to
>>> expire. You just top up as needed.
>>
>> Is the price of travel around London the same whether you use your Oyster Card or just tap in and out with a bank card? I don't live in London but I've had an Oyster Card for years and always keep it topped up for my visits to the capital. But the trend seems to be towards using the ordinary bank card on public transport and I wondered if there is any price difference?
>>
>> Nick
>> nickodell49@yahoo.ca
>
> I think it's much cheaper with the Oyster card. BICBAM.

My understanding of the tfl website (which is not totally transparent)
is that for a one day use Oyster and contactless (debit/credit) cards
are equivalent. There may be advantages to an Oyster card over a week
where another cap can apply. There may also be advantages for using some
methods od transport (e.g. river boats).

john

On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 16:01:35 -0000 (UTC), Chris
<chris.mcmillan@ntlworld.com> scrawled in the dust...

>krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>> On 28.8.23 15:18, Penny wrote:
>>> On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 10:54:29 +0100, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> scrawled
>>> in the dust...
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 23:17:10 +0100, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 08:46:25 -0700 (PDT), Tony Smith
>>>>> <agsmith578688@gmail.com> scrawled in the dust...
>>>>>
>>>>>> I must get up to London again soon, before Those Marbles are sent to Elgin or stolen.
>>>>>
>>>>> I sometimes think I'd like to go to that London again. I loved it in my
>>>>> youth. I would travel around on the Underground for hours - all for 2d as
>>>>> long as you got off within two stations or where you got on. And then I
>>>>> remember how exhausting it could be to spend a whole day there, walking
>>>>> around above ground, getting grimy from the air.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now I no longer understand how the transport works. Possibly the last time
>>>>> I was there, I arrived at Victoria Station and needed to get to St Thomas'
>>>>> Hospital. Doubtless a bus could have taken me but I'd no idea what an
>>>>> Oyster card was or where I could get one. People in London are not known
>>>>> for being helpful... It's a long walk.
>>>>
>>>> Just checked and Camden Town tube to Hyde Park Corner tube cost £2.80
>>>> using the Oyster card. You can keep funds on it and they don't seem to
>>>> expire. You just top up as needed.
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure there are no tube lines between Victoria and Lambeth.
>>
>> Victoria to St Thomas - go to Victoria station, go to Clapham Jn and
>> catch a train to Waterloo all national rail services.
>>
>> If you want to use a tube line:
>>
>> Or from Victoria station on the Victoria line to Vauxhall and then an
>> SWR train into Waterloo
>>
>> Or from Victoria station on the Victoria line to Stockwell and then
>> Northern line to Waterloo (so that is all tube lines).
>>
>> Or from Victoria Station on the Victoria line to Green Park and then the
>> Jubilee line to Waterloo - again all tube lines and these days I would
>> probably use this route.
>>
>> So I posit that using tube lines between those two points is entirely
>> rational.
>>
>
> Victoria Station
>
>DepartVictoria Underground Station via District line to Embankment
>Journey time: 5 min
>
>Embankment Underground Station via Bakerloo line to Lambeth North
>Journey time: 3 min

I obviously had the wrong map with me that day :(
Still, I'm sure the exercise did me good, and I did bump into the brothers
Giliver in the hospital.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 17:27:28 +0100, Kate B <elvira@nospam.demon.co.uk>
scrawled in the dust...

>Don't ever go to Waterloo Station for St Thomas's. It's a hefty walk to
>the hospital and crosses a number of very busy main roads.
>
>Much easier than that is to take the District Line to Westminster and
>simply walk over the bridge.

Is that the longest bridge in London? It always feels like it.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

On 28-Aug-23 13:43, Nick Odell wrote:
> On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:53:30 PM UTC+1, BrritSki wrote:
>> On 28/08/2023 10:48, Vicky wrote:
>>> On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 23:17:10 +0100, Penny <sp...@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 08:46:25 -0700 (PDT), Tony Smith
>>>> <agsmit...@gmail.com> scrawled in the dust...
>>>>
>>>>> I must get up to London again soon, before Those Marbles are sent to Elgin or stolen.
>>>>
>>>> I sometimes think I'd like to go to that London again. I loved it in my
>>>> youth. I would travel around on the Underground for hours - all for 2d as
>>>> long as you got off within two stations or where you got on. And then I
>>>> remember how exhausting it could be to spend a whole day there, walking
>>>> around above ground, getting grimy from the air.
>>>>
>>>> Now I no longer understand how the transport works. Possibly the last time
>>>> I was there, I arrived at Victoria Station and needed to get to St Thomas'
>>>> Hospital. Doubtless a bus could have taken me but I'd no idea what an
>>>> Oyster card was or where I could get one. People in London are not known
>>>> for being helpful... It's a long walk.
>>>
>>> Penny the Oyster card is easy to organise online
>>> https://oyster.tfl.gov.uk/oyster/entry.do
>>> and you can find journey planners online too.
>> You don't need an Oyster card to travel on the bus in London, your free
>> bus pass should work. Not on the Tube though, but if we need that we
>> just get a rail ticket that includes it.
>
> I agree about the free bus pass but to be honest, after decades of using the tube to get everywhere when I had to pay for everything, I've no real sense of which buses go where and how often. I'm gradually remedying that but there are still times when a paid-for tube journey is more convenient than a free bus trip. And with the state of London traffic as it was when I last visited in June, it can sometimes take more than an hour to travel on the surface when diving down into the tube will get you there in about ten minutes.

I disagree about that free bus pass.
I have one but it don't work in that there England[1], and despite its
best efforts, London seems to still be part of England.

[1] Pedants may point out that a Welsh bus pass is valid for
trans-border bus journeys, but that's all.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 28.8.23 17:09, Kate B wrote:
> On 28/08/2023 15:48, Nick Odell wrote:
>> On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 3:02:12 PM UTC+1, krw wrote:
>>> On 28.8.23 13:35, Nick Odell wrote:
>>>> On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 10:54:31 AM UTC+1, Vicky wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 23:17:10 +0100, Penny <sp...@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 08:46:25 -0700 (PDT), Tony Smith
>>>>>> <agsmit...@gmail.com> scrawled in the dust...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I must get up to London again soon, before Those Marbles are sent
>>>>>>> to Elgin or stolen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I sometimes think I'd like to go to that London again. I loved it
>>>>>> in my
>>>>>> youth. I would travel around on the Underground for hours - all
>>>>>> for 2d as
>>>>>> long as you got off within two stations or where you got on. And
>>>>>> then I
>>>>>> remember how exhausting it could be to spend a whole day there,
>>>>>> walking
>>>>>> around above ground, getting grimy from the air.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now I no longer understand how the transport works. Possibly the
>>>>>> last time
>>>>>> I was there, I arrived at Victoria Station and needed to get to St
>>>>>> Thomas'
>>>>>> Hospital. Doubtless a bus could have taken me but I'd no idea what an
>>>>>> Oyster card was or where I could get one. People in London are not
>>>>>> known
>>>>>> for being helpful... It's a long walk.
>>>>> Just checked and Camden Town tube to Hyde Park Corner tube cost £2.80
>>>>> using the Oyster card. You can keep funds on it and they don't seem to
>>>>> expire. You just top up as needed.
>>>>
>>>> Is the price of travel around London the same whether you use your
>>>> Oyster Card or just tap in and out with a bank card? I don't live in
>>>> London but I've had an Oyster Card for years and always keep it
>>>> topped up for my visits to the capital. But the trend seems to be
>>>> towards using the ordinary bank card on public transport and I
>>>> wondered if there is any price difference?
>>>>
>>>> Nick
>>>> nicko...@yahoo.ca
>>> If you have an old gits railcard from National Railways and register it
>>> on your Oyster card you get a 34% discount on standard fares for an
>>> Oyster. You cannot register a railcard against your bank card and so
>>> for most travellers the Oyster/ bank card charges are the same. When
>>> Khan drops TfL out of the Travelcard settlement scheme it is unclear if
>>> the railcard discounts will disappear - but I am guessing they will.
>>>
>>> You have to re-register your railcard when you get a new one and not all
>>> ticket office replacement staff on TfL seem to know how to do this.
>>
>> I wasn't aware of any of that before you wrote the above and it's well
>> worth knowing, so thank you KRW.
>>
>> My next visit to London just involves getting out of one train and
>> into another at St Pancras so not much use for the Oyster card there.
>> But unless the rules change in the interim, it might be worth my while
>> following up those points before I go there again.
>
> You can register a railcard on the Oyster website, and you can also
> register a contactless bank debit card. I did this last time I ventured
> into the smoke and got all the discounts - and even a refund from the
> last time I had used the bank card.
>
>
I don't believe you can get the railcard discount with just a bank card
- it has to be against the Oyster card as far as I can see? I cannot
see a way of doing it without an Oyster card.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

On 28.8.23 17:02, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 16:40:58 +0100, krw wrote:
>
>> Travelcard termination is definitive - Khan has given 6 months notice
>> and the Government could not care less - although in reality it will
>> cost all of the Government ministers in the Home Counties their seats.
>
> Central government has forced TfL to do it, hoping they can shift the
> blame onto the mayor at election time. The same situation as ULEZ
> expansion.
>

I know. Even Starmer has fallen for it.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

On 28.8.23 17:55, John Ashby wrote:
> On 28/08/2023 17:33, Vicky wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 05:35:41 -0700 (PDT), Nick Odell
>> <nickodell@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 10:54:31?AM UTC+1, Vicky wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 23:17:1
>>>>>
>>>>> Now I no longer understand how the transport works. Possibly the
>>>>> last time
>>>>> I was there, I arrived at Victoria Station and needed to get to St
>>>>> Thomas'
>>>>> Hospital. Doubtless a bus could have taken me but I'd no idea what an
>>>>> Oyster card was or where I could get one. People in London are not
>>>>> known
>>>>> for being helpful... It's a long walk.
>>>> Just checked and Camden Town tube to Hyde Park Corner tube cost £2.80
>>>> using the Oyster card. You can keep funds on it and they don't seem to
>>>> expire. You just top up as needed.
>>>
>>> Is the price of travel around London the same whether you use your
>>> Oyster Card or just tap in and out with a bank card? I don't live in
>>> London but I've had an Oyster Card for years and always keep it
>>> topped up for my visits to the capital. But the trend seems to be
>>> towards using the ordinary bank card on public transport and I
>>> wondered if there is any price difference?
>>>
>>> Nick
>>> nickodell49@yahoo.ca
>>
>> I think it's much cheaper with the Oyster card. BICBAM.
>
> My understanding of the tfl website (which is not totally transparent)
> is that for a one day use Oyster and contactless (debit/credit) cards
> are equivalent. There may be advantages to an Oyster card over a week
> where another cap can apply. There may also be advantages for using some
> methods od transport (e.g. river boats).
>
> john

Oyster plus Senior Railcard is cheaper than bank card. Otherwise it is
the same.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

On 28.8.23 17:01, Chris wrote:
> DepartVictoria Underground Station via District line to Embankment
> Journey time: 5 min

Almost certainly not. Having undertaken that journey numerous times the
time is not 5 minutes.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
> On 28.8.23 16:34, Chris wrote:
>> krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>>> On 28.8.23 13:35, Nick Odell wrote:
>>>> On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 10:54:31 AM UTC+1, Vicky wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 23:17:10 +0100, Penny <sp...@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 08:46:25 -0700 (PDT), Tony Smith
>>>>>> <agsmit...@gmail.com> scrawled in the dust...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I must get up to London again soon, before Those Marbles are sent to Elgin or stolen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I sometimes think I'd like to go to that London again. I loved it in my
>>>>>> youth. I would travel around on the Underground for hours - all for 2d as
>>>>>> long as you got off within two stations or where you got on. And then I
>>>>>> remember how exhausting it could be to spend a whole day there, walking
>>>>>> around above ground, getting grimy from the air.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now I no longer understand how the transport works. Possibly the last time
>>>>>> I was there, I arrived at Victoria Station and needed to get to St Thomas'
>>>>>> Hospital. Doubtless a bus could have taken me but I'd no idea what an
>>>>>> Oyster card was or where I could get one. People in London are not known
>>>>>> for being helpful... It's a long walk.
>>>>> Just checked and Camden Town tube to Hyde Park Corner tube cost £2.80
>>>>> using the Oyster card. You can keep funds on it and they don't seem to
>>>>> expire. You just top up as needed.
>>>>
>>>> Is the price of travel around London the same whether you use your
>>>> Oyster Card or just tap in and out with a bank card? I don't live in
>>>> London but I've had an Oyster Card for years and always keep it topped
>>>> up for my visits to the capital. But the trend seems to be towards using
>>>> the ordinary bank card on public transport and I wondered if there is
>>>> any price difference?
>>>>
>>>> Nick
>>>> nickodell49@yahoo.ca
>>>
>>> If you have an old gits railcard from National Railways and register it
>>> on your Oyster card you get a 34% discount on standard fares for an
>>> Oyster. You cannot register a railcard against your bank card and so
>>> for most travellers the Oyster/ bank card charges are the same. When
>>> Khan drops TfL out of the Travelcard settlement scheme it is unclear if
>>> the railcard discounts will disappear - but I am guessing they will.
>>>
>>> You have to re-register your railcard when you get a new one and not all
>>> ticket office replacement staff on TfL seem to know how to do this.
>>>
>>
>> The Travelcard settlement scheme news has gone silent, I’ve seen various
>> councils here on their hind legs about it but no resolution. The ticket
>> office closure seems to have taken over.
>>
>> Mrs McT
>>
>
> Travelcard termination is definitive - Khan has given 6 months notice
> and the Government could not care less - although in reality it will
> cost all of the Government ministers in the Home Counties their seats.
>

It’ll kill the day trippers market from here. Even with a railcard, it’s
barely worth doing except for a specific event. Cost a fortune with
another person on the card.

Mrs McT

Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 05:43:38 -0700 (PDT), Nick Odell
> <nickodell@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:53:30?PM UTC+1, BrritSki wrote:
>>> On 28/08/2023 10:48, Vicky wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 23:17:10 +0100, Penny <sp...@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 08:46:25 -0700 (PDT), Tony Smith
>>>>> <agsmit...@gmail.com> scrawled in the dust...
>>>>>
>>>>>> I must get up to London again soon, before Those Marbles are sent to Elgin or stolen.
>>>>>
>>>>> I sometimes think I'd like to go to that London again. I loved it in my
>>>>> youth. I would travel around on the Underground for hours - all for 2d as
>>>>> long as you got off within two stations or where you got on. And then I
>>>>> remember how exhausting it could be to spend a whole day there, walking
>>>>> around above ground, getting grimy from the air.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now I no longer understand how the transport works. Possibly the last time
>>>>> I was there, I arrived at Victoria Station and needed to get to St Thomas'
>>>>> Hospital. Doubtless a bus could have taken me but I'd no idea what an
>>>>> Oyster card was or where I could get one. People in London are not known
>>>>> for being helpful... It's a long walk.
>>>>
>>>> Penny the Oyster card is easy to organise online
>>>> https://oyster.tfl.gov.uk/oyster/entry.do
>>>> and you can find journey planners online too.
>>> You don't need an Oyster card to travel on the bus in London, your free
>>> bus pass should work. Not on the Tube though, but if we need that we
>>> just get a rail ticket that includes it.
>>
>> I agree about the free bus pass but to be honest, after decades of using
>> the tube to get everywhere when I had to pay for everything, I've no
>> real sense of which buses go where and how often. I'm gradually
>> remedying that but there are still times when a paid-for tube journey is
>> more convenient than a free bus trip. And with the state of London
>> traffic as it was when I last visited in June, it can sometimes take
>> more than an hour to travel on the surface when diving down into the
>> tube will get you there in about ten minutes.
>>
>> Nick
>> nickodell49@yahoo.ca
>
>
> Do you mean my Watford free bus pass can be used on buses in London?
>

Yes, did you really not know that, Vicky?

Mrs McT

Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 16:01:35 -0000 (UTC), Chris
> <chris.mcmillan@ntlworld.com> scrawled in the dust...
>
>> krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>>> On 28.8.23 15:18, Penny wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 10:54:29 +0100, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> scrawled
>>>> in the dust...
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 23:17:10 +0100, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 08:46:25 -0700 (PDT), Tony Smith
>>>>>> <agsmith578688@gmail.com> scrawled in the dust...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I must get up to London again soon, before Those Marbles are sent to Elgin or stolen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I sometimes think I'd like to go to that London again. I loved it in my
>>>>>> youth. I would travel around on the Underground for hours - all for 2d as
>>>>>> long as you got off within two stations or where you got on. And then I
>>>>>> remember how exhausting it could be to spend a whole day there, walking
>>>>>> around above ground, getting grimy from the air.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now I no longer understand how the transport works. Possibly the last time
>>>>>> I was there, I arrived at Victoria Station and needed to get to St Thomas'
>>>>>> Hospital. Doubtless a bus could have taken me but I'd no idea what an
>>>>>> Oyster card was or where I could get one. People in London are not known
>>>>>> for being helpful... It's a long walk.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just checked and Camden Town tube to Hyde Park Corner tube cost £2.80
>>>>> using the Oyster card. You can keep funds on it and they don't seem to
>>>>> expire. You just top up as needed.
>>>>
>>>> I'm pretty sure there are no tube lines between Victoria and Lambeth.
>>>
>>> Victoria to St Thomas - go to Victoria station, go to Clapham Jn and
>>> catch a train to Waterloo all national rail services.
>>>
>>> If you want to use a tube line:
>>>
>>> Or from Victoria station on the Victoria line to Vauxhall and then an
>>> SWR train into Waterloo
>>>
>>> Or from Victoria station on the Victoria line to Stockwell and then
>>> Northern line to Waterloo (so that is all tube lines).
>>>
>>> Or from Victoria Station on the Victoria line to Green Park and then the
>>> Jubilee line to Waterloo - again all tube lines and these days I would
>>> probably use this route.
>>>
>>> So I posit that using tube lines between those two points is entirely
>>> rational.
>>>
>>
>> Victoria Station
>>
>> DepartVictoria Underground Station via District line to Embankment
>> Journey time: 5 min
>>
>> Embankment Underground Station via Bakerloo line to Lambeth North
>> Journey time: 3 min
>
> I obviously had the wrong map with me that day :(
> Still, I'm sure the exercise did me good, and I did bump into the brothers
> Giliver in the hospital.

Eeek!!

Mrs McT

krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
> On 28.8.23 17:01, Chris wrote:
>> DepartVictoria Underground Station via District line to Embankment
>> Journey time: 5 min
>
> Almost certainly not. Having undertaken that journey numerous times the
> time is not 5 minutes.
>

Only showing you what it said, minus the gratuitous bits cos newstap would
allow anything more sensible.

Mrs McT

On 29.8.23 11:04, Chris wrote:
> krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>> On 28.8.23 17:01, Chris wrote:
>>> DepartVictoria Underground Station via District line to Embankment
>>> Journey time: 5 min
>>
>> Almost certainly not. Having undertaken that journey numerous times the
>> time is not 5 minutes.
>>
>
> Only showing you what it said, minus the gratuitous bits cos newstap would
> allow anything more sensible.
>
> Mrs McT

I agree however that if the weather is fine and you are in a walking
mood then walking Westminster Bridge and across will be about 35
minutes. You won't speed that up a lot by walking down into Victoria
station and heading to Westminster station and up again - but slightly
less strenuous.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

On 28/08/2023 22:43, krw wrote:
> On 28.8.23 17:09, Kate B wrote:
>> On 28/08/2023 15:48, Nick Odell wrote:
>>> On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 3:02:12 PM UTC+1, krw wrote:
>>>> On 28.8.23 13:35, Nick Odell wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 10:54:31 AM UTC+1, Vicky wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 23:17:10 +0100, Penny
>>>>>> <sp...@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 08:46:25 -0700 (PDT), Tony Smith
>>>>>>> <agsmit...@gmail.com> scrawled in the dust...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I must get up to London again soon, before Those Marbles are
>>>>>>>> sent to Elgin or stolen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I sometimes think I'd like to go to that London again. I loved it
>>>>>>> in my
>>>>>>> youth. I would travel around on the Underground for hours - all
>>>>>>> for 2d as
>>>>>>> long as you got off within two stations or where you got on. And
>>>>>>> then I
>>>>>>> remember how exhausting it could be to spend a whole day there,
>>>>>>> walking
>>>>>>> around above ground, getting grimy from the air.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now I no longer understand how the transport works. Possibly the
>>>>>>> last time
>>>>>>> I was there, I arrived at Victoria Station and needed to get to
>>>>>>> St Thomas'
>>>>>>> Hospital. Doubtless a bus could have taken me but I'd no idea
>>>>>>> what an
>>>>>>> Oyster card was or where I could get one. People in London are
>>>>>>> not known
>>>>>>> for being helpful... It's a long walk.
>>>>>> Just checked and Camden Town tube to Hyde Park Corner tube cost £2.80
>>>>>> using the Oyster card. You can keep funds on it and they don't
>>>>>> seem to
>>>>>> expire. You just top up as needed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is the price of travel around London the same whether you use your
>>>>> Oyster Card or just tap in and out with a bank card? I don't live
>>>>> in London but I've had an Oyster Card for years and always keep it
>>>>> topped up for my visits to the capital. But the trend seems to be
>>>>> towards using the ordinary bank card on public transport and I
>>>>> wondered if there is any price difference?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nick
>>>>> nicko...@yahoo.ca
>>>> If you have an old gits railcard from National Railways and register it
>>>> on your Oyster card you get a 34% discount on standard fares for an
>>>> Oyster. You cannot register a railcard against your bank card and so
>>>> for most travellers the Oyster/ bank card charges are the same. When
>>>> Khan drops TfL out of the Travelcard settlement scheme it is unclear if
>>>> the railcard discounts will disappear - but I am guessing they will.
>>>>
>>>> You have to re-register your railcard when you get a new one and not
>>>> all
>>>> ticket office replacement staff on TfL seem to know how to do this.
>>>
>>> I wasn't aware of any of that before you wrote the above and it's
>>> well worth knowing, so thank you KRW.
>>>
>>> My next visit to London just involves getting out of one train and
>>> into another at St Pancras so not much use for the Oyster card there.
>>> But unless the rules change in the interim, it might be worth my
>>> while following up those points before I go there again.
>>
>> You can register a railcard on the Oyster website, and you can also
>> register a contactless bank debit card. I did this last time I
>> ventured into the smoke and got all the discounts - and even a refund
>> from the last time I had used the bank card.
>>
>>
> I don't believe you can get the railcard discount with just a bank card
> - it has to be against the Oyster card as far as I can see?  I cannot
> see a way of doing it without an Oyster card.
>

Is your Oystercard registered on the TFL website here?
https://oyster.tfl.gov.uk/oyster/entry.do

You can also register a contactless card there.

I have only been to London a few times since I moved but I certainly had
the impression I was getting a discount using my contactless card. The
last time was in May so all the details have now disappeared and I can't
check them.

--
Kate B

On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 09:58:45 -0000 (UTC), Chris
<chris.mcmillan@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 05:43:38 -0700 (PDT), Nick Odell
>> <nickodell@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:53:30?PM UTC+1, BrritSki wrote:
>>>> On 28/08/2023 10:48, Vicky wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 23:17:10 +0100, Penny <sp...@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 08:46:25 -0700 (PDT), Tony Smith
>>>>>> <agsmit...@gmail.com> scrawled in the dust...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I must get up to London again soon, before Those Marbles are sent to Elgin or stolen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I sometimes think I'd like to go to that London again. I loved it in my
>>>>>> youth. I would travel around on the Underground for hours - all for 2d as
>>>>>> long as you got off within two stations or where you got on. And then I
>>>>>> remember how exhausting it could be to spend a whole day there, walking
>>>>>> around above ground, getting grimy from the air.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now I no longer understand how the transport works. Possibly the last time
>>>>>> I was there, I arrived at Victoria Station and needed to get to St Thomas'
>>>>>> Hospital. Doubtless a bus could have taken me but I'd no idea what an
>>>>>> Oyster card was or where I could get one. People in London are not known
>>>>>> for being helpful... It's a long walk.
>>>>>
>>>>> Penny the Oyster card is easy to organise online
>>>>> https://oyster.tfl.gov.uk/oyster/entry.do
>>>>> and you can find journey planners online too.
>>>> You don't need an Oyster card to travel on the bus in London, your free
>>>> bus pass should work. Not on the Tube though, but if we need that we
>>>> just get a rail ticket that includes it.
>>>
>>> I agree about the free bus pass but to be honest, after decades of using
>>> the tube to get everywhere when I had to pay for everything, I've no
>>> real sense of which buses go where and how often. I'm gradually
>>> remedying that but there are still times when a paid-for tube journey is
>>> more convenient than a free bus trip. And with the state of London
>>> traffic as it was when I last visited in June, it can sometimes take
>>> more than an hour to travel on the surface when diving down into the
>>> tube will get you there in about ten minutes.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>> nickodell49@yahoo.ca
>>
>>
>> Do you mean my Watford free bus pass can be used on buses in London?
>>
>
>Yes, did you really not know that, Vicky?
>
>Mrs McT
No, I didn't. I only go into London to meet family and can park
near both daughters. If we're meeting at some eating place I either
drive in or go by train and tube and the venue is chosen to be easy to
get to. Last week to Hyde Park Corner was a walk from the tube and I
saw many disabled parking places near the venue. But not sure I'd have
driven all the way there. I left the car on Camden High St as it has
good disabled parking.

On 29.8.23 12:09, Kate B wrote:
> On 28/08/2023 22:43, krw wrote:
>> On 28.8.23 17:09, Kate B wrote:
>>> On 28/08/2023 15:48, Nick Odell wrote:
>>>> On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 3:02:12 PM UTC+1, krw wrote:
>>>>> On 28.8.23 13:35, Nick Odell wrote:
>>>>>> On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 10:54:31 AM UTC+1, Vicky wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 23:17:10 +0100, Penny
>>>>>>> <sp...@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 08:46:25 -0700 (PDT), Tony Smith
>>>>>>>> <agsmit...@gmail.com> scrawled in the dust...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I must get up to London again soon, before Those Marbles are
>>>>>>>>> sent to Elgin or stolen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I sometimes think I'd like to go to that London again. I loved
>>>>>>>> it in my
>>>>>>>> youth. I would travel around on the Underground for hours - all
>>>>>>>> for 2d as
>>>>>>>> long as you got off within two stations or where you got on. And
>>>>>>>> then I
>>>>>>>> remember how exhausting it could be to spend a whole day there,
>>>>>>>> walking
>>>>>>>> around above ground, getting grimy from the air.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now I no longer understand how the transport works. Possibly the
>>>>>>>> last time
>>>>>>>> I was there, I arrived at Victoria Station and needed to get to
>>>>>>>> St Thomas'
>>>>>>>> Hospital. Doubtless a bus could have taken me but I'd no idea
>>>>>>>> what an
>>>>>>>> Oyster card was or where I could get one. People in London are
>>>>>>>> not known
>>>>>>>> for being helpful... It's a long walk.
>>>>>>> Just checked and Camden Town tube to Hyde Park Corner tube cost
>>>>>>> £2.80
>>>>>>> using the Oyster card. You can keep funds on it and they don't
>>>>>>> seem to
>>>>>>> expire. You just top up as needed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is the price of travel around London the same whether you use your
>>>>>> Oyster Card or just tap in and out with a bank card? I don't live
>>>>>> in London but I've had an Oyster Card for years and always keep it
>>>>>> topped up for my visits to the capital. But the trend seems to be
>>>>>> towards using the ordinary bank card on public transport and I
>>>>>> wondered if there is any price difference?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>> nicko...@yahoo.ca
>>>>> If you have an old gits railcard from National Railways and
>>>>> register it
>>>>> on your Oyster card you get a 34% discount on standard fares for an
>>>>> Oyster. You cannot register a railcard against your bank card and so
>>>>> for most travellers the Oyster/ bank card charges are the same. When
>>>>> Khan drops TfL out of the Travelcard settlement scheme it is
>>>>> unclear if
>>>>> the railcard discounts will disappear - but I am guessing they will.
>>>>>
>>>>> You have to re-register your railcard when you get a new one and
>>>>> not all
>>>>> ticket office replacement staff on TfL seem to know how to do this.
>>>>
>>>> I wasn't aware of any of that before you wrote the above and it's
>>>> well worth knowing, so thank you KRW.
>>>>
>>>> My next visit to London just involves getting out of one train and
>>>> into another at St Pancras so not much use for the Oyster card
>>>> there. But unless the rules change in the interim, it might be worth
>>>> my while following up those points before I go there again.
>>>
>>> You can register a railcard on the Oyster website, and you can also
>>> register a contactless bank debit card. I did this last time I
>>> ventured into the smoke and got all the discounts - and even a refund
>>> from the last time I had used the bank card.
>>>
>>>
>> I don't believe you can get the railcard discount with just a bank
>> card - it has to be against the Oyster card as far as I can see?  I
>> cannot see a way of doing it without an Oyster card.
>>
>
> Is your Oystercard registered on the TFL website here?
> https://oyster.tfl.gov.uk/oyster/entry.do
>
> You can also register a contactless card there.
>
> I have only been to London a few times since I moved but I certainly had
> the impression I was getting a discount using my contactless card. The
> last time was in May so all the details have now disappeared and I can't
> check them.
>
>
>

My Oystercard is registered and it has a linked payment card - but the
latter cannot receive discounts.

I believe this indicates that a contactless card on its own (without an
Oyster) does not gain railcard discounts:
https://tfl.gov.uk/fares/free-and-discounted-travel/national-railcard-discount#on-this-page-2

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

Steve Hague wrote:

>Is electricity free in Shropshire?

BOFE's Nissan Leaf covered 284 miles in June, all achieved by
solar charging. In July the 192 miles only needed this to be
supplemented by one small night time top-up, giving an overall
cost that month of 1.1 pence per mile.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham
'48/33 M B+ G++ A L(-) I S-- CH0(--)(p) Ar- T+ H0 ?Q
chris@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1
Plant amazing Acers.

In message <uckfgk$275bs$1@dont-email.me> at Tue, 29 Aug 2023 09:58:44,
Chris <chris.mcmillan@ntlworld.com> writes
>krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
[]
>> Travelcard termination is definitive - Khan has given 6 months notice
>> and the Government could not care less - although in reality it will
>> cost all of the Government ministers in the Home Counties their seats.
>>
>
>It’ll kill the day trippers market from here. Even with a railcard, it’s
>barely worth doing except for a specific event. Cost a fortune with
>another person on the card.
>
>Mrs McT

I more or less decided I'm never going into London again anyway. I have
visions of some people in London, enjoying all their nice clean air and
so on, but wondering where everybody is.

I'm wondering what will happen when ULEZ reaches the Dartford/Thurrock
crossing.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

In 1969, Britain had towns full of soot, blackened buildings, and half the
population had no TV or cars - or inside loos. - James Burke, RT 2019/7/6-12

In message <r6qpeidc1cdtd1576ohsjkqu85bniu299t@4ax.com> at Mon, 28 Aug
2023 19:36:41, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> writes
[]
>I obviously had the wrong map with me that day :(
>Still, I'm sure the exercise did me good, and I did bump into the brothers
>Giliver in the hospital.

Wow, that must have been a while ago! Last time I can remember being in
a London hospital - and certainly if brother was there too - was during
Mum's terminal illness, which (fires up genealogy software to check) was
2004.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

In 1969, Britain had towns full of soot, blackened buildings, and half the
population had no TV or cars - or inside loos. - James Burke, RT 2019/7/6-12

In message <kl3q64F4m7hU1@mid.individual.net> at Mon, 28 Aug 2023
14:44:20, Sally Thompson <thompson.stonybrook@gmail.com.invalid> writes
>Steve Hague <stevehague82@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 28/08/2023 12:28, Sally Thompson wrote:
[]
>>> ZapMap shows you which kind of charger.
>>>
>> Does it tell you if the charger is working? Quite a few don't seem to be.
>>
>
>Yes. I can also recommend ABRP (A Better Route Planner) and PlugShare.
>
Just out of curiosity at the moment: what proportion of chargers can
_only_ be used with a smartphone, or do most have at least a contactless
card reader? (I appreciate having a smartphone will help you _find_ a
working [and maybe unoccupied] charger in the first place.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

In 1969, Britain had towns full of soot, blackened buildings, and half the
population had no TV or cars - or inside loos. - James Burke, RT 2019/7/6-12

On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 17:09:09 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver"
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

>In message <kl3q64F4m7hU1@mid.individual.net> at Mon, 28 Aug 2023
>14:44:20, Sally Thompson <thompson.stonybrook@gmail.com.invalid> writes
>>Steve Hague <stevehague82@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 28/08/2023 12:28, Sally Thompson wrote:
>[]
>>>> ZapMap shows you which kind of charger.
>>>>
>>> Does it tell you if the charger is working? Quite a few don't seem to be.
>>>
>>
>>Yes. I can also recommend ABRP (A Better Route Planner) and PlugShare.
>>
>Just out of curiosity at the moment: what proportion of chargers can
>_only_ be used with a smartphone, or do most have at least a contactless
>card reader? (I appreciate having a smartphone will help you _find_ a
>working [and maybe unoccupied] charger in the first place.)

I just checked and you can register on a PC and then login there. But
CBA to do so just to confirm it :)

In message <dp7sei5mj6ng7fpb26d7fajjhfjlctdceu@4ax.com> at Tue, 29 Aug
2023 17:39:54, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> writes
>On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 17:09:09 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver"
><G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>
>>In message <kl3q64F4m7hU1@mid.individual.net> at Mon, 28 Aug 2023
>>14:44:20, Sally Thompson <thompson.stonybrook@gmail.com.invalid> writes
>>>Steve Hague <stevehague82@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 28/08/2023 12:28, Sally Thompson wrote:
>>[]
>>>>> ZapMap shows you which kind of charger.
>>>>>
>>>> Does it tell you if the charger is working? Quite a few don't seem to be.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Yes. I can also recommend ABRP (A Better Route Planner) and PlugShare.
>>>
>>Just out of curiosity at the moment: what proportion of chargers can
>>_only_ be used with a smartphone, or do most have at least a contactless
>>card reader? (I appreciate having a smartphone will help you _find_ a
>>working [and maybe unoccupied] charger in the first place.)
>
>I just checked and you can register on a PC and then login there. But
>CBA to do so just to confirm it :)

I was bemused by your answer at first, then I realised you meant
register _with ZapMap or ABRP_. I'm still curious though: assuming
you've found a working and not-in-use charger, either by using one of
those app.s or just by good luck, can you pay for your charging with a
credit card, or do you _have_ to have a sp?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"... all your hard work in the hands of twelve people too stupid to get off
jury
duty." CSI, 200x

On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 18:08:39 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver"
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

>In message <dp7sei5mj6ng7fpb26d7fajjhfjlctdceu@4ax.com> at Tue, 29 Aug
>2023 17:39:54, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> writes
>>On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 17:09:09 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver"
>><G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>In message <kl3q64F4m7hU1@mid.individual.net> at Mon, 28 Aug 2023
>>>14:44:20, Sally Thompson <thompson.stonybrook@gmail.com.invalid> writes
>>>>Steve Hague <stevehague82@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 28/08/2023 12:28, Sally Thompson wrote:
>>>[]
>>>>>> ZapMap shows you which kind of charger.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Does it tell you if the charger is working? Quite a few don't seem to be.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Yes. I can also recommend ABRP (A Better Route Planner) and PlugShare.
>>>>
>>>Just out of curiosity at the moment: what proportion of chargers can
>>>_only_ be used with a smartphone, or do most have at least a contactless
>>>card reader? (I appreciate having a smartphone will help you _find_ a
>>>working [and maybe unoccupied] charger in the first place.)
>>
>>I just checked and you can register on a PC and then login there. But
>>CBA to do so just to confirm it :)
>
>I was bemused by your answer at first, then I realised you meant
>register _with ZapMap or ABRP_. I'm still curious though: assuming
>you've found a working and not-in-use charger, either by using one of
>those app.s or just by good luck, can you pay for your charging with a
>credit card, or do you _have_ to have a sp?

I meant register and sign in on this
https://mybluelink.ca/register

We get very slow charging at the Asda close by and that's free. Also
the local pub/diner has a fast charger that we are registered with to
use. Think it is with BP and you probably use your credit card to pay
via your smart phone. Yes there is an icon on my phone called BP
Pulse. And the website is
https://www.bppulse.co.uk/charging-on-the-go?utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=local-map-pack

On 29-Aug-23 18:33, Vicky wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 18:08:39 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver"
> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>
>> In message <dp7sei5mj6ng7fpb26d7fajjhfjlctdceu@4ax.com> at Tue, 29 Aug
>> 2023 17:39:54, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> writes
>>> On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 17:09:09 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver"
>>> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In message <kl3q64F4m7hU1@mid.individual.net> at Mon, 28 Aug 2023
>>>> 14:44:20, Sally Thompson <thompson.stonybrook@gmail.com.invalid> writes
>>>>> Steve Hague <stevehague82@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 28/08/2023 12:28, Sally Thompson wrote:
>>>> []
>>>>>>> ZapMap shows you which kind of charger.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does it tell you if the charger is working? Quite a few don't seem to be.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes. I can also recommend ABRP (A Better Route Planner) and PlugShare.
>>>>>
>>>> Just out of curiosity at the moment: what proportion of chargers can
>>>> _only_ be used with a smartphone, or do most have at least a contactless
>>>> card reader? (I appreciate having a smartphone will help you _find_ a
>>>> working [and maybe unoccupied] charger in the first place.)
>>>
>>> I just checked and you can register on a PC and then login there. But
>>> CBA to do so just to confirm it :)
>>
>> I was bemused by your answer at first, then I realised you meant
>> register _with ZapMap or ABRP_. I'm still curious though: assuming
>> you've found a working and not-in-use charger, either by using one of
>> those app.s or just by good luck, can you pay for your charging with a
>> credit card, or do you _have_ to have a sp?
>
>
> I meant register and sign in on this
> https://mybluelink.ca/register
>
> We get very slow charging at the Asda close by and that's free. Also
> the local pub/diner has a fast charger that we are registered with to
> use. Think it is with BP and you probably use your credit card to pay
> via your smart phone. Yes there is an icon on my phone called BP
> Pulse. And the website is
> https://www.bppulse.co.uk/charging-on-the-go?utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=local-map-pack

I don't know if John was thinking of this, but I was wondering what
would happen if you were some distance from home, and your phone either
died or was stolen/misplaced?

i.e. Is a working phone needed so you can recharge the car and thus make
it home?

--
Sam Plusnet