I have a very dim and distant memory that someone here had one of these. We
seem to have a major onslaught of flies at the moment and I'm confused by
all the different choices. Any recommendations?

--
Sally in Shropshire, UK

Sally Thompson <thompson.stonybrook@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
> I have a very dim and distant memory that someone here had one of these. We
> seem to have a major onslaught of flies at the moment and I'm confused by
> all the different choices. Any recommendations?
>
>

There is one installed in the kitchen of Toodle Villas; we have the type
that has a UV fluorescent tube horizontally situated behind a nice welcome
high voltage wire mesh that the insects can just put their little
toots….fffffiiiiizzzzzttttt oh! Bye-bye fly! The size is approx. 14 “ wide
by 10 “ high by 4” deep in old money. The plate on the side does not give a
make (what a surprise on a Chinese made device!) But says Model ‘Compact’,
Power 40 watts, Tube 15 watts UV x 300mm T5. ISTR that when I bought it
through that long South American River that it was then called
‘InsectoCutor or somesuch, but, that was a few years back now (10 or more!)
It is such a satisfying ‘ZAP Phizz Bzzzt Pssst’ when an insect is attracted
to it…. ;-)))

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

In message <uef4q2$30k7l$1@dont-email.me> at Wed, 20 Sep 2023 15:57:54,
Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>Sally Thompson <thompson.stonybrook@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>> I have a very dim and distant memory that someone here had one of these. We
>> seem to have a major onslaught of flies at the moment and I'm confused by
>> all the different choices. Any recommendations?
>>
There does seem to be such an onslaught. I'm wondering why - I can't
think what they're eating in this room.
>>
>
>There is one installed in the kitchen of Toodle Villas; we have the type
>that has a UV fluorescent tube horizontally situated behind a nice welcome
[]
>It is such a satisfying ‘ZAP Phizz Bzzzt Pssst’ when an insect is attracted
>to it…. ;-)))
>
Sally, were you thinking of the thing that looks like a tennis-racquet?

Though both sorts mean you have to dispose of the corpses eventually.
Though I have no affection for flies, I'd be perfectly happy if they
could be persuaded just to go outside (and be food for birds etc.).
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

just because you are offended - doesn't mean you are right

On 21/09/2023 20:24, Penny wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 19:15:24 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
> scrawled in the dust...
>
>> In message <uef4q2$30k7l$1@dont-email.me> at Wed, 20 Sep 2023 15:57:54,
>> Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>>> Sally Thompson <thompson.stonybrook@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>> I have a very dim and distant memory that someone here had one of these. We
>>>> seem to have a major onslaught of flies at the moment and I'm confused by
>>>> all the different choices. Any recommendations?
>>>>
>> There does seem to be such an onslaught. I'm wondering why - I can't
>> think what they're eating in this room.
>
> In my experience, a sudden influx of flies indicates something in or close
> to the house has died and the maggots have matured.
>
> I have a strong dislike of flies in the house, so all openable window has
> some fine netting fixed around it with velcro. Fruit flies still find their
> way indoors sometimes.

I dislike flies in the house, but I have a spouse who leaves external
doors wide open for several minutes at a time - and then wonders where
those flies came from?

Some lessons will never be learned, but I do wonder what it is that
makes these particular lessons un-learnable.

On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 3:26:07 PM UTC, Sally Thompson wrote:
> I have a very dim and distant memory that someone here had one of these. We
> seem to have a major onslaught of flies at the moment and I'm confused by
> all the different choices. Any recommendations?

erme- I use very natural, very organic fly-catchers. Spiders.
No electricity required. I welcome them into the house and
try and make them comfortable and hope that they will stay.

I help them out of the shower, warn them not to stray into
the toilet and always leave the mat draped over the edge
of the bath so they can get out by themselves without
feeling humiliated by having to ask for assistance.
House cleaning involves carefully sucking up the old, dusty
and discarded webs and trying not to disturb fresh active
ones.

And the result? No houseflies in my house. Well, one or two
maybe but they don't last very long. I don't know whether
that is because my spiders gobble up all the hoards of
houseflies or whether the spiders emit some kind of
theremin[1] that warns the flies to stay away. Whatever it is
it works for me.

Nick
nickodell49@yahoo.ca
[1]Theremins? Obviously not theremins but something similar.

On 20/09/2023 21:53, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 21/09/2023 20:24, Penny wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 19:15:24 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
>> scrawled in the dust...
>>
>>> In message <uef4q2$30k7l$1@dont-email.me> at Wed, 20 Sep 2023 15:57:54,
>>> Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>>>> Sally Thompson <thompson.stonybrook@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> I have a very dim and distant memory that someone here had one of
>>>>> these. We
>>>>> seem to have a major onslaught of flies at the moment and I'm
>>>>> confused by
>>>>> all the different choices. Any recommendations?
>>>>>
>>> There does seem to be such an onslaught. I'm wondering why - I can't
>>> think what they're eating in this room.
>>
>> In my experience, a sudden influx of flies indicates something in or
>> close
>> to the house has died and the maggots have matured.
>>
>> I have a strong dislike of flies in the house, so all openable window has
>> some fine netting fixed around it with velcro. Fruit flies still find
>> their
>> way indoors sometimes.
>
> I dislike flies in the house, but I have a spouse who leaves external
> doors wide open for several minutes at a time - and then wonders where
> those flies came from?
>
> Some lessons will never be learned, but I do wonder what it is that
> makes these particular lessons un-learnable.

Love,

john

On 20/09/2023 23:15, Nick Odell wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 3:26:07 PM UTC, Sally Thompson wrote:
>> I have a very dim and distant memory that someone here had one of these. We
>> seem to have a major onslaught of flies at the moment and I'm confused by
>> all the different choices. Any recommendations?
>
> erme- I use very natural, very organic fly-catchers. Spiders.
> No electricity required. I welcome them into the house and
> try and make them comfortable and hope that they will stay.
>
> I help them out of the shower, warn them not to stray into
> the toilet and always leave the mat draped over the edge
> of the bath so they can get out by themselves without
> feeling humiliated by having to ask for assistance.
> House cleaning involves carefully sucking up the old, dusty
> and discarded webs and trying not to disturb fresh active
> ones.
>
> And the result? No houseflies in my house. Well, one or two
> maybe but they don't last very long. I don't know whether
> that is because my spiders gobble up all the hoards of
> houseflies or whether the spiders emit some kind of
> theremin[1] that warns the flies to stay away. Whatever it is
> it works for me.
>
> Nick
> nickodell49@yahoo.ca
> [1]Theremins? Obviously not theremins but something similar.

Pheremones, Shirley, but talking of theremins the grandkids are
fascinated by the theremin pillars in the hands-on section of the
Science Museum and I keep suggesting they should visit a real one in the
Bate Collection of Musical Instruments in Oxford.

john

On 20/09/2023 23:15, Nick Odell wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 3:26:07 PM UTC, Sally Thompson wrote:
>> I have a very dim and distant memory that someone here had one of these. We
>> seem to have a major onslaught of flies at the moment and I'm confused by
>> all the different choices. Any recommendations?
>
> erme- I use very natural, very organic fly-catchers. Spiders.
> No electricity required. I welcome them into the house and
> try and make them comfortable and hope that they will stay.
>
> I help them out of the shower, warn them not to stray into
> the toilet and always leave the mat draped over the edge
> of the bath so they can get out by themselves without
> feeling humiliated by having to ask for assistance.
> House cleaning involves carefully sucking up the old, dusty
> and discarded webs and trying not to disturb fresh active
> ones.
>
> And the result? No houseflies in my house. Well, one or two
> maybe but they don't last very long. I don't know whether
> that is because my spiders gobble up all the hoards of
> houseflies or whether the spiders emit some kind of
> theremin[1] that warns the flies to stay away. Whatever it is
> it works for me.
>
> Nick
> nickodell49@yahoo.ca
> [1]Theremins? Obviously not theremins but something similar.

Probably they sound like a theremin, as they wave their little legs over
the web. Possibly an Ondes Arachenot.

--
Kate B

In message <ueglqp$3cg44$2@dont-email.me> at Thu, 21 Sep 2023 06:54:33,
John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> writes
>On 20/09/2023 23:15, Nick Odell wrote:
[]
>> erme- I use very natural, very organic fly-catchers. Spiders.
[]
>> And the result? No houseflies in my house. Well, one or two
>> maybe but they don't last very long. I don't know whether
>> that is because my spiders gobble up all the hoards of
>> houseflies or whether the spiders emit some kind of
>> theremin[1] that warns the flies to stay away. Whatever it is
>> it works for me.
>> Nick
>> nickodell49@yahoo.ca
>> [1]Theremins? Obviously not theremins but something similar.
>
>Pheremones, Shirley, but talking of theremins the grandkids are
>fascinated by the theremin pillars in the hands-on section of the
>Science Museum and I keep suggesting they should visit a real one in
>the Bate Collection of Musical Instruments in Oxford.
>
>john

Though the thought of spiders playing theremins is rather fun ...

Over the last few years I've been enjoying the playing of a Hungarian
lady, Katice Illenyi, who I suspect is the current world's best on the
instrument - and also a leading violinist! And what's more, she also
tap-dances! (And sings, though I think that's her weakest, but still not
bad - "Smile" is IMO VG.) For a quick (29 second) sample of all four:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Dz9Oi2Keug

Re-seeing this thread title again, I don't know where my crossword-doing
mind was: normally, on seeing "Electronic fly killers", my instant
response would be "but I don't have any electronic flies!".

Then it cut in again: for anyone who like the trainers (plimsolls) in
the film "Back to the Future" (or one of its sequels), the concept of
electronic flies is a little disturbing ...
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

As the man said when confronted by a large dinner salad, "This isn't food.
This is what food eats."

Kate B <elvira@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 20/09/2023 23:15, Nick Odell wrote:
>> On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 3:26:07 PM UTC, Sally Thompson wrote:
>>> I have a very dim and distant memory that someone here had one of these. We
>>> seem to have a major onslaught of flies at the moment and I'm confused by
>>> all the different choices. Any recommendations?
>>
>> erme- I use very natural, very organic fly-catchers. Spiders.
>> No electricity required. I welcome them into the house and
>> try and make them comfortable and hope that they will stay.
>>
>> I help them out of the shower, warn them not to stray into
>> the toilet and always leave the mat draped over the edge
>> of the bath so they can get out by themselves without
>> feeling humiliated by having to ask for assistance.
>> House cleaning involves carefully sucking up the old, dusty
>> and discarded webs and trying not to disturb fresh active
>> ones.
>>
>> And the result? No houseflies in my house. Well, one or two
>> maybe but they don't last very long. I don't know whether
>> that is because my spiders gobble up all the hoards of
>> houseflies or whether the spiders emit some kind of
>> theremin[1] that warns the flies to stay away. Whatever it is
>> it works for me.
>>
>> Nick
>> nickodell49@yahoo.ca
>> [1]Theremins? Obviously not theremins but something similar.
>
> Probably they sound like a theremin, as they wave their little legs over
> the web. Possibly an Ondes Arachenot.
>
>

Martin knew what you mean!

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

> Though the thought of spiders playing theremins is rather fun ...
>
Yeah, you may be able to look it up on the web…

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On 24.9.23 13:39, Penny wrote:
> Worse when you can't think of a reasonable synonym (or joke) to replace the
> one you intended - not all audiences understand umbrella.

The affliction is similar here when I am seeking to say something - but
in writing- know that there is a word and I have no idea what to google
to bring up the right word.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

On Sun, 24 Sep 2023 11:30:15 +0100, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:

>On 24.9.23 13:39, Penny wrote:
>> Worse when you can't think of a reasonable synonym (or joke) to replace the
>> one you intended - not all audiences understand umbrella.
>
>The affliction is similar here when I am seeking to say something - but
>in writing- know that there is a word and I have no idea what to google
>to bring up the right word.

It often happens to me when speaking too. I lose words and names.

In message <av60hilc9upa94vkn0abs3mqncmtlevkpj@4ax.com> at Sun, 24 Sep
2023 12:22:44, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> writes
>On Sun, 24 Sep 2023 11:30:15 +0100, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>
>>On 24.9.23 13:39, Penny wrote:
>>> Worse when you can't think of a reasonable synonym (or joke) to replace the
>>> one you intended - not all audiences understand umbrella.
>>
>>The affliction is similar here when I am seeking to say something - but
>>in writing- know that there is a word and I have no idea what to google
>>to bring up the right word.

Yes, if you don't know what to look for, it's a lot harder to find!
>
>It often happens to me when speaking too. I lose words and names.

I've always been bad at names. In work, I tended to remember someone's
name - and function - by where their desk was; that, however, was no
help if I met them in the corridor!

I should put my mind to a technique I saw many years ago on TV: think of
some association, however silly. The presenter picked someone, and asked
him his name, which was Ash or Ashe (not sure if it was forename or
surname). He then looked at the guy, who had large glasses. He said,
imagine this guy with those glasses covered with ash (presumably on the
basis of the assumption that he'd always be wearing glasses). I thus
still remember the guy's name - and this must be decades ago. So the
technique works - but you have to invent the association!
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Bother," said Pooh, as he fell off the bridge with his stick.

In message <ug13hipq0ancth9fs7o23je5aegbpp5c66@4ax.com> at Mon, 25 Sep
2023 14:15:15, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> writes
>On Sun, 24 Sep 2023 13:15:00 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
>scrawled in the dust...
[]
>>I've always been bad at names. In work, I tended to remember someone's
>>name - and function - by where their desk was; that, however, was no
>>help if I met them in the corridor!
>
>The Husgod was hopeless at names. He would avoid talking to people because
>of it, even though I pointed out he didn't need to address them by name. I
>found it annoying because it prevented me from talking to them either, so I
>got the habit of introducing myself to them. They were often aware of his
>name problem and would then introduce themselves, solving the whole
>problem. At work he just called everyone Brian, regardless of gender, which

Reminiscent of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNBy1D1Y0h4 ...

>they were all fine with. It was only a problem when a customer came in to
>query something and said it was Brian who took the order.
>
(-:
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

You'll need to have this fish in your ear. (First series, fit the first.)

On 24/09/2023 19:35, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In message <ug13hipq0ancth9fs7o23je5aegbpp5c66@4ax.com> at Mon, 25 Sep
> 2023 14:15:15, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> writes

For some reason I am not seeing Penny's posts and have just noticed that
this post appears to come from early tomorrow afternoon.
Could this explain it ? Anyone else have this problem in TB ?

Penny, could you check the date time on your posting machine please ?

On 24/09/2023 21:30, BrritSki wrote:
> On 24/09/2023 19:35, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> In message <ug13hipq0ancth9fs7o23je5aegbpp5c66@4ax.com> at Mon, 25 Sep
>> 2023 14:15:15, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> writes
>
> For some reason I am not seeing Penny's posts and have just noticed that
> this post appears to come from early tomorrow afternoon.
> Could this explain it ?  Anyone else have this problem in TB ?
>
It would appear that I do. Nowt from Penny since the 2nd.

> Penny, could you check the date time on your posting machine please ?
>

--
Ric

On Sun, 24 Sep 2023 21:30:16 +0100, BrritSki
<rtilburyTAKEOUT@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 24/09/2023 19:35, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> In message <ug13hipq0ancth9fs7o23je5aegbpp5c66@4ax.com> at Mon, 25 Sep
>> 2023 14:15:15, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> writes
>
>For some reason I am not seeing Penny's posts and have just noticed that
>this post appears to come from early tomorrow afternoon.
>Could this explain it ? Anyone else have this problem in TB ?
>
>Penny, could you check the date time on your posting machine please ?

I'm having the same problem with Penny's posts in Agent and in Google
Groups too.

I still haven't solved my Agent problem - individual posts (like this
one) and small clusters of posts will reluctantly download but asking
to download all just leave all of them stuck. I seem to be able to
send individual messages, though.

Just to compound matters, I'm in Canada but, unfortunately, my 2FA
isn't[1] and my Google Groups subscription seems to be the only thing
(so far) I can't find a workaround for. So I'm likely to be a little
on the quiet side in umra for the next couple of weeks.

Nick
[1]For non-readers of uk.d-i-y, let's just say that it's a long story
and leave it at that.

On 25/09/2023 00:26, Nick Odell wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Sep 2023 21:30:16 +0100, BrritSki
> <rtilburyTAKEOUT@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 24/09/2023 19:35, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>> In message <ug13hipq0ancth9fs7o23je5aegbpp5c66@4ax.com> at Mon, 25 Sep
>>> 2023 14:15:15, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> writes
>>
>> For some reason I am not seeing Penny's posts and have just noticed that
>> this post appears to come from early tomorrow afternoon.
>> Could this explain it ? Anyone else have this problem in TB ?
>>
>> Penny, could you check the date time on your posting machine please ?
>
> I'm having the same problem with Penny's posts in Agent and in Google
> Groups too.
>
> I still haven't solved my Agent problem - individual posts (like this
> one) and small clusters of posts will reluctantly download but asking
> to download all just leave all of them stuck. I seem to be able to
> send individual messages, though.
>
> Just to compound matters, I'm in Canada but, unfortunately, my 2FA
> isn't[1] and my Google Groups subscription seems to be the only thing
> (so far) I can't find a workaround for. So I'm likely to be a little
> on the quiet side in umra for the next couple of weeks.
>
> Nick
> [1]For non-readers of uk.d-i-y, let's just say that it's a long story
> and leave it at that.

<AOL> It looks as though giganews isn't propagating her posts to
eternal-september (and perhps to google as well), though why it is
propagating JPG is a mystery. He (and presumably others) can see her
posts because he is on giganews himself.

john

On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 07:11:58 +0100, John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On 25/09/2023 00:26, Nick Odell wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Sep 2023 21:30:16 +0100, BrritSki
>> <rtilburyTAKEOUT@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 24/09/2023 19:35, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>
>>
>> I still haven't solved my Agent problem - individual posts (like this
>
>> [1]For non-readers of uk.d-i-y, let's just say that it's a long story
>> and leave it at that.
>
><AOL> It looks as though giganews isn't propagating her posts to
>eternal-september (and perhps to google as well), though why it is
>propagating JPG is a mystery. He (and presumably others) can see her
>posts because he is on giganews himself.
>
>john

My latest from Penny is 3/9
I'm on the German server and use Agent. I paid to update it some years
ago,

On 25/09/2023 09:40, Vicky wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 07:11:58 +0100, John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 25/09/2023 00:26, Nick Odell wrote:
>>> On Sun, 24 Sep 2023 21:30:16 +0100, BrritSki
>>> <rtilburyTAKEOUT@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 24/09/2023 19:35, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I still haven't solved my Agent problem - individual posts (like this
>>
>>> [1]For non-readers of uk.d-i-y, let's just say that it's a long story
>>> and leave it at that.
>>
>> <AOL> It looks as though giganews isn't propagating her posts to
>> eternal-september (and perhps to google as well), though why it is
>> propagating JPG is a mystery. He (and presumably others) can see her
>> posts because he is on giganews himself.
>>
>> john
>
> My latest from Penny is 3/9
> I'm on the German server and use Agent.

I'm on the Berlin server too, but with Thunderbird.

Talking of which, can anyone tell me where I can find the View - Unread
messages and Sort By menu items please ?

There used to be a very easy drop down menu with both of those on and
several more. That disappeared some time ago, but I found another route
to a similar menu. but that has gone now too. I've left and
right-clicked every object I can see on all the TB panels, but it's gorn...

On 25.9.23 11:20, BrritSki wrote:
> Talking of which, can anyone tell me where I can find the View - Unread
> messages and Sort By menu items please ?

Do you have the standard menu visible across the top:
File Edit View Go Message Events and Tasks Tools Help

Click View

Then threads

Then Threads with Unread

Or

Click View

Then Sort by > sub menu
lost list of options.

If you have turned off the top menu then top right there are three
little horizontal bars

Click

Select View

Select Toolbars

Select Menu Bar and that turns on the menu bar at the top of the screen
- go back to start of message.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

On 25/09/2023 11:32, krw wrote:
> On 25.9.23 11:20, BrritSki wrote:
>> Talking of which, can anyone tell me where I can find the View -
>> Unread messages and Sort By menu items please ?
>
> Do you have the standard menu visible across the top:
> File Edit View Go Message Events and Tasks Tools Help

No, I have no idea where it has gone or how to get it back...

TB version 102.15.1 was installed on 13th Sept. Perhaps that is the
cause of the problem....

On 25/09/2023 13:57, BrritSki wrote:
> On 25/09/2023 11:32, krw wrote:
>> On 25.9.23 11:20, BrritSki wrote:
>>> Talking of which, can anyone tell me where I can find the View -
>>> Unread messages and Sort By menu items please ?
>>
>> Do you have the standard menu visible across the top:
>> File Edit View Go Message Events and Tasks Tools Help
>
> No, I have no idea where it has gone or how to get it back...

If you have no standard menu, try pressing alt to temporarily get it
back or right click somewhere near the top and tick 'Menu bar' when the
dropdown appears to do it permanently.

--
Steveski

On 25/09/2023 13:57, BrritSki wrote:
> No, I have no idea where it has gone or how to get it back...
>
> TB version 102.15.1 was installed on 13th Sept.  Perhaps that is the
> cause of the problem....

I have 102.15.1 and I have that top menu.
--
Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK