On 25/08/2023 18:28, siwilson wrote:
> On 25/08/2023 16:30, Eddie wrote:
>> On 25/08/2023 15:52, siwilson wrote:
>>>
>>> I still don't quite know how it happened. I don't recall using it
>>> single handed but I don't think it's possible to make contact whilst
>>> holding it with both hands.
>>
>> Obviously, you need to try it again to figure out what you did.
>>
>> Maybe don't plug it in when you're doing that though, eh?
>
> Plug it in? NAHAY? It's a proper 2 stroke thing.

Oh, excellent. Carry on, then. <salutes>

--
Eddie eddie@deguello.org

On 25/08/2023 22:48, petrolcan wrote:
> In article <kkrtaoFr28qU1@mid.individual.net>, siwilson says...
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/KeykHbtxCZoKyBfHA consider yourself warned, I
>> didn't watch when the stitches went in.
>
> You could get three fingers in there!

Waste of good whisky, but it would help sterilise it.

Oh ... actual fingers. Weirdo. There's probably porn for that.

--
Eddie eddie@deguello.org

On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 21:27:11 +0100, siwilson
<siwilson@nodamnspamn.hotmail.com> wrote:

>Tricky coves, hedgetrimmers.
>
>I can't quite work out how, but today there was a cutter/forearm
>intersection resulting in quite a lot of blood. [1]
>
>Gardening is dangerous mmmmmkay.
>
>Feeling pretty lucky. The cut was deep but somehow I didn't hit any
>tendons or other important bits.
>
>Back home after 11 stitches, now watching 127 hours.
>
>[1] and surprisingly little pain. I'm wondering if that's going to kick
>in at some point.

Well, that's a Daft Injury if ever I saw one. Well done.

--

-Pip

On 25/08/2023 15:48, siwilson wrote:
> On 25/08/2023 09:45, ogden wrote:
>> Mark Roberts wrote:
>>> siwilson <siwi...@nodamnspamn.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Tricky coves, hedgetrimmers.
>>>>
>>>> I can't quite work out how, but today there was a cutter/forearm
>>>> intersection resulting in quite a lot of blood. [1]
>>>
>>> Where's the bloody pictures??
>>
>> Was exactly what I asked him when he told me. "Pics or it never
>> happened."
>>
>> And yet, still, nothing.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/KeykHbtxCZoKyBfHA consider yourself warned, I
> didn't watch when the stitches went in.
>

Nice

--
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http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

Mark Roberts wrote:

> Where's the bloody pictures??

They won't as good as yours.

Proper "True Crime" porn.

--
Simon

On 25/08/2023 18:38, Mark Roberts wrote:

>
> Ah. So you did the cats bum with your lips while holding your breath
> and looking into the middle distance?

Pretty much.

--
/Simon

On 25/08/2023 20:39, degr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, 25 August 2023 at 18:32:04 UTC+1, siwilson wrote:
>> On 25/08/2023 17:58, geoffC wrote:
>>> On 25/08/2023 16:48, siwilson wrote:
>>>> On 25/08/2023 09:45, ogden wrote:
>>>>> Mark Roberts wrote:
>>>>>> siwilson <siwi...@nodamnspamn.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Tricky coves, hedgetrimmers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can't quite work out how, but today there was a cutter/forearm
>>>>>>> intersection resulting in quite a lot of blood. [1]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where's the bloody pictures??
>>>>>
>>>>> Was exactly what I asked him when he told me. "Pics or it never
>>>>> happened."
>>>>>
>>>>> And yet, still, nothing.
>>>>
>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/KeykHbtxCZoKyBfHA consider yourself warned,
>>>> I didn't watch when the stitches went in.
>>>
>>> JESUS! What do you use to trim the hedge, a Colt 45 ???
>> A Stihl something or other, with the "ripping" blade.
>>
>
> We had a Stihl 2T brush cutter/strimmer with a FOAD blade option like a circular saw at the chateau. What with that and the chainsaw I'm surprised blood wasn't drawn.

I have a "bush hog" type mower that goes behind the tractor that's
absolutely terrifying. It takes a while to spin up, and subsequently a
similar amount of time to spin down. It would take any body part off in
a millisecond. I haven't used it in s a long time.

--
/Simon

On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 22:48:40 +0100, petrolcan <petrolcan@gmail.com>
wrote:

>In article <kkrtaoFr28qU1@mid.individual.net>, siwilson says...
>>
>> On 25/08/2023 09:45, ogden wrote:
>> > Mark Roberts wrote:
>> >> siwilson <siwi...@nodamnspamn.hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> Tricky coves, hedgetrimmers.
>> >>>
>> >>> I can't quite work out how, but today there was a cutter/forearm
>> >>> intersection resulting in quite a lot of blood. [1]
>> >>
>> >> Where's the bloody pictures??
>> >
>> > Was exactly what I asked him when he told me. "Pics or it never happened."
>> >
>> > And yet, still, nothing.
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/KeykHbtxCZoKyBfHA consider yourself warned, I
>> didn't watch when the stitches went in.
>
>You could get three fingers in there!

I wish you'd been there! When the pictures were being taken.
As you lost control....
--
Mark Roberts

On 26 Aug 2023 12:54:27 GMT, "sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
wrote:

>Mark Roberts wrote:
>
>> Where's the bloody pictures??
>
>They won't as good as yours.
>
>Proper "True Crime" porn.

I'm trying to give that particular habit up....
--
Mark Roberts

On 25/08/2023 16:29, Eddie wrote:
> On 25/08/2023 15:48, siwilson wrote:
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/KeykHbtxCZoKyBfHA consider yourself warned,
>> I didn't watch when the stitches went in.
>
> Messy. Which bit of your arm is that? It's hard to tell from the
> pictures.

I added another picture.

> I'm still trying to figure out how you did it.

Me too. I did have a quick look and figured out it is possible even with
two hands holding it, albeit at a funny angle.

Horse/stable door, but I've ordered these:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/314051722307?

--
/Simon

On 26/08/2023 16:52, siwilson wrote:
>
>Horse/stable door, but I've ordered these:
>https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/314051722307?

AIUI, chainsaw protective clothing works by releasing Aramid fibres into the
chain, jamming/stopping it almost instantly. Is that going to work with
your Ripper blade?

--
Geoff
NTV 650

On 26/08/2023 15:52, siwilson wrote:
> On 25/08/2023 16:29, Eddie wrote:
>> On 25/08/2023 15:48, siwilson wrote:
>>>
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/KeykHbtxCZoKyBfHA consider yourself warned,
>>> I didn't watch when the stitches went in.
>>
>> Messy. Which bit of your arm is that? It's hard to tell from the
>> pictures.
>
> I added another picture.

Your drawing skills are worse than mine.

>> I'm still trying to figure out how you did it.
>
> Me too. I did have a quick look and figured out it is possible even with
> two hands holding it, albeit at a funny angle.

So ... a couple of inches above your wrist?

I can only think that your hedge trimmer is a different shape to mine.
But I might have to try mine tomorrow to see if that's anywhere near
possible.

> Horse/stable door, but I've ordered these:
> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/314051722307?

Depends what they're made out of whether they'd help or not, I guess.

--
Eddie eddie@deguello.org

In article <f5vjei1b6tlhco9oeb9sj6rrf03d4jt9fg@4ax.com>, Mark Roberts says...
>
> On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 22:48:40 +0100, petrolcan <petrolcan@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <kkrtaoFr28qU1@mid.individual.net>, siwilson says...
> >>
> >> On 25/08/2023 09:45, ogden wrote:
> >> > Mark Roberts wrote:
> >> >> siwilson <siwi...@nodamnspamn.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>> Tricky coves, hedgetrimmers.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I can't quite work out how, but today there was a cutter/forearm
> >> >>> intersection resulting in quite a lot of blood. [1]
> >> >>
> >> >> Where's the bloody pictures??
> >> >
> >> > Was exactly what I asked him when he told me. "Pics or it never happened."
> >> >
> >> > And yet, still, nothing.
> >>
> >> https://photos.app.goo.gl/KeykHbtxCZoKyBfHA consider yourself warned, I
> >> didn't watch when the stitches went in.
> >
> >You could get three fingers in there!
>
> I wish you'd been there! When the pictures were being taken.
> As you lost control....

<pokes> Does it hurt?

On 26/08/2023 18:18, geoffC wrote:
> On 26/08/2023 16:52, siwilson wrote:
>>
>> Horse/stable door, but I've ordered these:
>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/314051722307?
>
> AIUI, chainsaw protective clothing works by releasing Aramid fibres into
> the
> chain, jamming/stopping it almost instantly. Is that going to work with
> your Ripper blade?
>

Gotta be better than nothing IWHT

--
/Simon

On 27/08/2023 14:38, siwilson wrote:
>On 26/08/2023 18:18, geoffC wrote:
>> On 26/08/2023 16:52, siwilson wrote:
>>>
>>> Horse/stable door, but I've ordered these:
>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/314051722307?
>>
>> AIUI, chainsaw protective clothing works by releasing Aramid fibres into
>> the
>> chain, jamming/stopping it almost instantly. Is that going to work with
>> your Ripper blade?
>>
>
>Gotta be better than nothing IWHT

Yep, like a colander as helmet :-)

--
Geoff
NTV 650

On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 17:18:03 -0000 (UTC), geoffC <me@home.nl> wrote:

>On 26/08/2023 16:52, siwilson wrote:
>>
>>Horse/stable door, but I've ordered these:
>>https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/314051722307?
>
>AIUI, chainsaw protective clothing works by releasing Aramid fibres into the
> chain, jamming/stopping it almost instantly. Is that going to work with
> your Ripper blade?

Yes, I have some Kevlar overboots that are supposed to do this.

Apart from a helmet, I have no other protective gear, mind.

--

-Pip

On Sunday, 27 August 2023 at 17:35:00 UTC+1, Pipl wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 17:18:03 -0000 (UTC), geoffC <m...@home.nl> wrote:

> >AIUI, chainsaw protective clothing works by releasing Aramid fibres into the
> > chain, jamming/stopping it almost instantly. Is that going to work with
> > your Ripper blade?
> Yes, I have some Kevlar overboots that are supposed to do this.
>
> Apart from a helmet, I have no other protective gear, mind.

I grew up on a farm and strongly feel that safety gear has no place in
a man's wardrobe. Having said that... My brother is lacking a finger,
my father can't straighten a couple of his. Various relatives have/had
missing fingers.

One moment that gave me pause for thought was when I noticed a deep
cut (from a chainsaw) in the sole of my steel toecapped boots. I don't
even know how, or when, I did it. Am certainly going to do my best to make
sure I don't do it again... And I really ought to start gathering wood for the
winter...

On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 10:39:09 -0700 (PDT), Stephen Packer
<stephen.packer@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, 27 August 2023 at 17:35:00 UTC+1, Pipl wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 17:18:03 -0000 (UTC), geoffC <m...@home.nl> wrote:
>
>> >AIUI, chainsaw protective clothing works by releasing Aramid fibres into the
>> > chain, jamming/stopping it almost instantly. Is that going to work with
>> > your Ripper blade?
>> Yes, I have some Kevlar overboots that are supposed to do this.
>>
>> Apart from a helmet, I have no other protective gear, mind.
>
>I grew up on a farm and strongly feel that safety gear has no place in
>a man's wardrobe. Having said that... My brother is lacking a finger,
>my father can't straighten a couple of his. Various relatives have/had
>missing fingers.
>
>One moment that gave me pause for thought was when I noticed a deep
>cut (from a chainsaw) in the sole of my steel toecapped boots. I don't
>even know how, or when, I did it. Am certainly going to do my best to make
>sure I don't do it again... And I really ought to start gathering wood for the
>winter...

"And thus the case rests, m'Lord"

--

-Pip

On 27/08/2023 17:34, Pipl wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 17:18:03 -0000 (UTC), geoffC <me@home.nl> wrote:
>
>> On 26/08/2023 16:52, siwilson wrote:
>>>
>>> Horse/stable door, but I've ordered these:
>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/314051722307?
>>
>> AIUI, chainsaw protective clothing works by releasing Aramid fibres into the
>> chain, jamming/stopping it almost instantly. Is that going to work with
>> your Ripper blade?
>
> Yes, I have some Kevlar overboots that are supposed to do this.
>
> Apart from a helmet, I have no other protective gear, mind.

I use (used to use) leather welding gauntlets and steel toecap boots
when using chainsaws and similar.

When I worked in a dairy I always wore steel toecap wellies -
dairy-boots. Just as well: one of our customers let a full can (churn,
in England) of milk slip off a flatbed onto my foot while loading it on
- or not, IYSWIM.

He went *very* pale, and next time he came to collect his milk he
confided he'd bought a pair of steel toecapped dairy-boots like mine.

Helmet I've never worn except at work where they were de rigeur. Why you
should need a helmet when
a) processing chickens
b) freezing herbs
c) other jobs where exploding shells, girders being hoisted, rocks,
branches etc are liable to fall are not encountered

I just don't get.

Earmuffs, yes, leggings and padded upper garments when using powered
blades, yes, riding a motorcycle a definite yes. Before the days when
helmets on motorcyclists were compulsory, my Stadium Project 4 certainly
saved my life.

Only once, but...

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

Stephen Packer <stephen.packer@gmail.com> wrote:

> I grew up on a farm and strongly feel that safety gear has no place in
> a man's wardrobe. Having said that... My brother is lacking a finger,
> my father can't straighten a couple of his. Various relatives have/had
> missing fingers.
>
> One moment that gave me pause for thought was when I noticed a deep
> cut (from a chainsaw) in the sole of my steel toecapped boots. I don't
> even know how, or when, I did it. Am certainly going to do my best to make
> sure I don't do it again... And I really ought to start gathering wood for the
> winter...

My eldest has a job where he has occasion to use a chainsaw frequently.
Once he saw the incredibly gory 'safety first' picture of a blade/limb
interface at his place of work, he has never used a chainsaw since
without the _full_ kit no matter how hot it is, or how quick the job
might be.

--
FJR1300A, GL1000, KLR650A6F, EX250J9A, DR200SE, Vespa Ciao

On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 19:59:16 +0100, RustyHinge
<rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:

>On 27/08/2023 17:34, Pipl wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 17:18:03 -0000 (UTC), geoffC <me@home.nl> wrote:
>>
>>> On 26/08/2023 16:52, siwilson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Horse/stable door, but I've ordered these:
>>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/314051722307?
>>>
>>> AIUI, chainsaw protective clothing works by releasing Aramid fibres into the
>>> chain, jamming/stopping it almost instantly. Is that going to work with
>>> your Ripper blade?
>>
>> Yes, I have some Kevlar overboots that are supposed to do this.
>>
>> Apart from a helmet, I have no other protective gear, mind.
>
>I use (used to use) leather welding gauntlets and steel toecap boots
>when using chainsaws and similar.
>
>When I worked in a dairy I always wore steel toecap wellies -
>dairy-boots. Just as well: one of our customers let a full can (churn,
>in England) of milk slip off a flatbed onto my foot while loading it on
>- or not, IYSWIM.
>
>He went *very* pale, and next time he came to collect his milk he
>confided he'd bought a pair of steel toecapped dairy-boots like mine.
>
>Helmet I've never worn except at work where they were de rigeur. Why you
>should need a helmet when
>a) processing chickens

yeah, I get that
>b) freezing herbs

That too

>c) other jobs where exploding shells,

If we're talking ordinance and the range is variable, small pieces of
shrapnel, either from the device or bits of brick or dirt flung from
the blast. I dont know about explosives, but maybe also mitigates th
shockwave.

>girders being hoisted,

If a beam fell, sure, unlikely to help here, but easy to catch a
corner of a beam that's being hoisted. Having banged my head on a
literally rock hard mine roof (preserved, open to public) while
wearing one, they have ther uses.

--

-Pip

Mark Olson wrote:

> My eldest has a job where he has occasion to use a chainsaw
> frequently. Once he saw the incredibly gory 'safety first' picture
> of a blade/limb interface at his place of work, he has never used a
> chainsaw since without the full kit no matter how hot it is, or how
> quick the job might be.

The railway had similar films. Some were very simple and very
effective (a melon on a broom handle stick man representing a
shunter/driver's assistant between two engines was behaviour changing
on this 18 year old).

Some where the usual very dark 70s era British public information
films, just for the railway. I've blanked them out.

Others, were less effective and everyone knew the bits to shout out...

"The Three Sams" springs to mind (c. 1967). Still being shown on a
projector in the 80s.

The scene, an AC locomotive fails and grinds to a halt in passenger
service.

Sam #1 Panics and rushes around tripping sitches and pulling random
fuses (plunges into darkness).

Sam #2 Gets out, calls signaller then proceeds to tell the passengers
to fuck off and leer at the pretty girls.

Sam #3 calmly identifies the fault and fixes it.

Narrator: "Which Sam are YOU?"

Assembled train drivers "No.2 No.2 No.2!!!"

--
Simon

sweller wrote:

> Others, were less effective and everyone knew the bits to shout out...
>
> "The Three Sams" springs to mind (c. 1967). Still being shown on a
> projector in the 80s.
>
> The scene, an AC locomotive fails and grinds to a halt in passenger
> service.

I had slightly misrembered it (date, order, and forgotten Stanley
Holloway did the narration).

A nice slice of history:
https://player.bfi.org.uk/free/film/watch-the-third-sam-1962-online

In fairness to the instructors who delivered my driver training these
old films were dragged out for entertainment value. Thinking about it,
the current equivalent would be watching a training film from the late
90s.

There was another featuring serving railway staff portraying the
characters - the acting was appalling. "oh, driver we appear to have
become derailed".

--
Simon

On 27/08/2023 20:01, Mark Olson wrote:
> Stephen Packer <stephen.packer@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I grew up on a farm and strongly feel that safety gear has no place in
>> a man's wardrobe. Having said that... My brother is lacking a finger,
>> my father can't straighten a couple of his. Various relatives have/had
>> missing fingers.
>>
>> One moment that gave me pause for thought was when I noticed a deep
>> cut (from a chainsaw) in the sole of my steel toecapped boots. I don't
>> even know how, or when, I did it. Am certainly going to do my best to make
>> sure I don't do it again... And I really ought to start gathering wood for the
>> winter...
>
> My eldest has a job where he has occasion to use a chainsaw frequently.
> Once he saw the incredibly gory 'safety first' picture of a blade/limb
> interface at his place of work, he has never used a chainsaw since
> without the _full_ kit no matter how hot it is, or how quick the job
> might be.
>

I once had to x-ray a person prior to going to plastic surgery because
they had cut off 4 fingers of one hand. As the fingers had been
recovered they could be lined-up with the hand when taking the images.

On 27/08/2023 21:46, Pipl wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 19:59:16 +0100, RustyHinge
> <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 27/08/2023 17:34, Pipl wrote:
>>> On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 17:18:03 -0000 (UTC), geoffC <me@home.nl> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 26/08/2023 16:52, siwilson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Horse/stable door, but I've ordered these:
>>>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/314051722307?
>>>>
>>>> AIUI, chainsaw protective clothing works by releasing Aramid fibres into the
>>>> chain, jamming/stopping it almost instantly. Is that going to work with
>>>> your Ripper blade?
>>>
>>> Yes, I have some Kevlar overboots that are supposed to do this.
>>>
>>> Apart from a helmet, I have no other protective gear, mind.
>>
>> I use (used to use) leather welding gauntlets and steel toecap boots
>> when using chainsaws and similar.
>>
>> When I worked in a dairy I always wore steel toecap wellies -
>> dairy-boots. Just as well: one of our customers let a full can (churn,
>> in England) of milk slip off a flatbed onto my foot while loading it on
>> - or not, IYSWIM.
>>
>> He went *very* pale, and next time he came to collect his milk he
>> confided he'd bought a pair of steel toecapped dairy-boots like mine.
>>
>> Helmet I've never worn except at work where they were de rigeur. Why you
>> should need a helmet when
>> a) processing chickens
>
> yeah, I get that
>> b) freezing herbs
>
> That too
>
>> c) other jobs where exploding shells,
>
> If we're talking ordinance and the range is variable, small pieces of
> shrapnel, either from the device or bits of brick or dirt flung from
> the blast. I dont know about explosives, but maybe also mitigates th
> shockwave.
>
>> girders being hoisted,
>
> If a beam fell, sure, unlikely to help here, but easy to catch a
> corner of a beam that's being hoisted. Having banged my head on a
> literally rock hard mine roof (preserved, open to public) while
> wearing one, they have ther uses.
>
Those last examples were, if you read it correctly, cases where a helmet
IMO would be sensible protection...

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.