On Sun, 5 Nov 2023 18:19:42 +0000, Serena Blanchflower
<nospam@blanchflower.me.uk> wrote:

>On 05/11/2023 17:40, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>> On 05-Nov-23 11:31, John Ashby wrote:
>
>>>
>>> The Grundys need to suck up to Oliver to try to avoid eviction.
>>
>> Are they doing repeats now?
>> Didn't Oliver buy the 'Grundy' farm (i.e. the farm on which the Grundys
>> had been tenants since time immoral) when they got turfed out a couple
>> of decades back?
>>
>
>Yup, on both counts.
>
>Some time after Caroline died, the Grundys suckered Oliver into allowing
>them to rent Grange Farm back, at a fairly peppercorn rent, and Oliver
>then moved back in to share it with them. IIRC, it was originally meant
>to be a short term agreement, which was then extended "to allow Joe to
>stay there for his final days".
>
>Oliver now needs to raise 250K, to invest in GG and is considering
>selling Grange Farm as the easiest way of raising this. If he decides
>to do this the Grundys, both ancient and modern, will need to find new
>homes.
>
>The Grundys, inevitably, are talking about this (or even just selling
>some Grange Farm land) as if this is an outrageous decision and
>something that he has no right to do.

I like your use of "ancient and modern." The first phase of this all
took place so long ago that I suppose Eddie ought rightly to be
thought of as now ancient. Do you suppose his children will plead with
Oliver to allow Eddie to stay there for _his_ final days?

Nick

On 06-Nov-23 15:10, Nick Odell wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Nov 2023 18:19:42 +0000, Serena Blanchflower
> <nospam@blanchflower.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 05/11/2023 17:40, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>> On 05-Nov-23 11:31, John Ashby wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> The Grundys need to suck up to Oliver to try to avoid eviction.
>>>
>>> Are they doing repeats now?
>>> Didn't Oliver buy the 'Grundy' farm (i.e. the farm on which the Grundys
>>> had been tenants since time immoral) when they got turfed out a couple
>>> of decades back?
>>>
>>
>> Yup, on both counts.
>>
>> Some time after Caroline died, the Grundys suckered Oliver into allowing
>> them to rent Grange Farm back, at a fairly peppercorn rent, and Oliver
>> then moved back in to share it with them. IIRC, it was originally meant
>> to be a short term agreement, which was then extended "to allow Joe to
>> stay there for his final days".
>>
>> Oliver now needs to raise 250K, to invest in GG and is considering
>> selling Grange Farm as the easiest way of raising this. If he decides
>> to do this the Grundys, both ancient and modern, will need to find new
>> homes.
>>
>> The Grundys, inevitably, are talking about this (or even just selling
>> some Grange Farm land) as if this is an outrageous decision and
>> something that he has no right to do.
>
> I like your use of "ancient and modern." The first phase of this all
> took place so long ago that I suppose Eddie ought rightly to be
> thought of as now ancient. Do you suppose his children will plead with
> Oliver to allow Eddie to stay there for _his_ final days?

Rinse and repeat to taste.

Reminds me of the woman who was upset by the introduction of decimal
currency.

"They could at least have waited until us old ones had died off, before
doing this."

--
Sam Plusnet

On Sat, 4 Nov 2023 14:17:18 +0000, John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com>
scrawled in the dust...

>On 04/11/2023 12:36, Mike McMillan wrote:
>> carolet <carolet.umrat@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 25/10/2023 07:05, Birthday Monitor wrote:
>>>> Birthday News for today, 25 October: Charles Hankel RIP (last post
>>>> 02/02) and Andy Judge.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The 25th October is also Oliver's birthday.
>>>
>>> On the programme on the 24th Eddie mentioned that it was Oliver's
>>> birthday tomorrow, and on the 25th we heard that Will gave him a card.
>>>
>>> I think this is the first time that Oliver's birthday has ever been
>>> mentioned, so we still have no idea how old he is.
>>>
>>
>> ‘Old Oliver is very well, thank you!
>
>Oliver Cromwell lay buried and dead,
>Hee-haw buried and dead,
>There grew an old apple tree over his head,
>Hee-haw over his head.
>
>The apples were ripe and ready to fall;
>Hee-haw ready to fall;
>There came an old woman to gather them all,
>Hee-haw gather them all.
>
>Oliver rose and gave her a drop,
>Hee-haw gave her a drop,
>Which made the old woman go hippety hop,
>Hee-haw hippety hop.
>
>The saddle and bridle they lie on the shelf,
>Hee-haw lie on the shelf,
>If you want any more you can sing it yourself,
>Hee-haw sing it yourself.

Wow, haven't heard that for years!
It must have been one of my farther's tuneless songs.

--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

In message <va8gkilu0tbukj0il8baf8lmrimumurnla@4ax.com> at Sun, 5 Nov
2023 23:14:19, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> writes
[]
>Wow, haven't heard that for years!
>It must have been one of my farther's tuneless songs.
>
Ah, that triggers a memory: my Dad used to sometimes burst into
"Mart(h)a, rambling rose of the wildwood". Usually only for a line or
two, as for some reason it made Mum grimace. (He wasn't at all tuneless
- loved singing, and as far as I know was good at it: he was the Judge
in Trial by Jury, for example, and partook in the World Choir
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzdjRyjTTrc, though I haven't spotted
him yet].)

(That last reminds me - sorry if I've said it here before: "My dad sang
with Shirley Bassey". But along with 10,000 others!)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

The web is a blank slate; you can't design technology that is 'good'. You can't
design paper that you can only write good things on. There are no good or evil
tools. You can put an engine in an ambulance or a tank. - Sir Tim Berners-Lee,
Radio Times 2009-Jan-30 to -Feb-5.

On Tue, 7 Nov 2023 11:31:32 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
wrote:

>In message <va8gkilu0tbukj0il8baf8lmrimumurnla@4ax.com> at Sun, 5 Nov
>2023 23:14:19, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> writes
>[]
>>Wow, haven't heard that for years!
>>It must have been one of my farther's tuneless songs.
>>
>Ah, that triggers a memory: my Dad used to sometimes burst into
>"Mart(h)a, rambling rose of the wildwood". Usually only for a line or
>two, as for some reason it made Mum grimace. (He wasn't at all tuneless
>- loved singing, and as far as I know was good at it: he was the Judge
>in Trial by Jury, for example, and partook in the World Choir
>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzdjRyjTTrc, though I haven't spotted
>him yet].)
>
>(That last reminds me - sorry if I've said it here before: "My dad sang
>with Shirley Bassey". But along with 10,000 others!)

Well, if it's musical knickerflashes of that order we are looking for,
_I_ have sung under the baton of none other than Sir Malcolm Sargent!
And so has my dad.

Nick

Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Nov 2023 18:19:42 +0000, Serena Blanchflower
> <nospam@blanchflower.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 05/11/2023 17:40, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>> On 05-Nov-23 11:31, John Ashby wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> The Grundys need to suck up to Oliver to try to avoid eviction.
>>>
>>> Are they doing repeats now?
>>> Didn't Oliver buy the 'Grundy' farm (i.e. the farm on which the Grundys
>>> had been tenants since time immoral) when they got turfed out a couple
>>> of decades back?
>>>
>>
>> Yup, on both counts.
>>
>> Some time after Caroline died, the Grundys suckered Oliver into allowing
>> them to rent Grange Farm back, at a fairly peppercorn rent, and Oliver
>> then moved back in to share it with them. IIRC, it was originally meant
>> to be a short term agreement, which was then extended "to allow Joe to
>> stay there for his final days".
>>
>> Oliver now needs to raise 250K, to invest in GG and is considering
>> selling Grange Farm as the easiest way of raising this. If he decides
>> to do this the Grundys, both ancient and modern, will need to find new
>> homes.
>>
>> The Grundys, inevitably, are talking about this (or even just selling
>> some Grange Farm land) as if this is an outrageous decision and
>> something that he has no right to do.
>
> I like your use of "ancient and modern." The first phase of this all
> took place so long ago that I suppose Eddie ought rightly to be
> thought of as now ancient. Do you suppose his children will plead with
> Oliver to allow Eddie to stay there for _his_ final days?
>
> Nick
>

I suppose Eddee might be roughly the same age as Oliver?

Mrs McT

On 08/11/2023 21:47, Chris wrote:
> Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> On Sun, 5 Nov 2023 18:19:42 +0000, Serena Blanchflower
>> <nospam@blanchflower.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 05/11/2023 17:40, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>> On 05-Nov-23 11:31, John Ashby wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Grundys need to suck up to Oliver to try to avoid eviction.
>>>>
>>>> Are they doing repeats now?
>>>> Didn't Oliver buy the 'Grundy' farm (i.e. the farm on which the Grundys
>>>> had been tenants since time immoral) when they got turfed out a couple
>>>> of decades back?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yup, on both counts.
>>>
>>> Some time after Caroline died, the Grundys suckered Oliver into allowing
>>> them to rent Grange Farm back, at a fairly peppercorn rent, and Oliver
>>> then moved back in to share it with them. IIRC, it was originally meant
>>> to be a short term agreement, which was then extended "to allow Joe to
>>> stay there for his final days".
>>>
>>> Oliver now needs to raise 250K, to invest in GG and is considering
>>> selling Grange Farm as the easiest way of raising this. If he decides
>>> to do this the Grundys, both ancient and modern, will need to find new
>>> homes.
>>>
>>> The Grundys, inevitably, are talking about this (or even just selling
>>> some Grange Farm land) as if this is an outrageous decision and
>>> something that he has no right to do.
>>
>> I like your use of "ancient and modern." The first phase of this all
>> took place so long ago that I suppose Eddie ought rightly to be
>> thought of as now ancient. Do you suppose his children will plead with
>> Oliver to allow Eddie to stay there for _his_ final days?
>>
>> Nick
>>
>
> I suppose Eddee might be roughly the same age as Oliver?

I think Eddie's in his early 70s (I'm sure someone will know his exact
age!). We don't know Oliver's age and they refused to answer someone
who asked how old he was, on his birthday last week. I think that, when
it's been discussed around here before, he's generally been reckoned to
probably be late 70s. So, not a huge age difference but probably a few
years older than Eddie.

--
Best wishes, Serena
Q. Are you a piece of string?
A. No, I'm afraid not.

On Wed, 8 Nov 2023 23:22:51 +0000, Serena Blanchflower
<nospam@blanchflower.me.uk> scrawled in the dust...

>I think Eddie's in his early 70s (I'm sure someone will know his exact
>age!). We don't know Oliver's age and they refused to answer someone
>who asked how old he was, on his birthday last week. I think that, when
>it's been discussed around here before, he's generally been reckoned to
>probably be late 70s. So, not a huge age difference but probably a few
>years older than Eddie.

Eddie was 72 in March.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

On 5.11.23 18:45, Mike McMillan wrote:
> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>> On 05-Nov-23 11:31, John Ashby wrote:
>>> On 04/11/2023 18:14, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>> On 04-Nov-23 10:21, carolet wrote:
>>>>> On 25/10/2023 07:05, Birthday Monitor wrote:
>>>>>> Birthday News for today, 25 October: Charles Hankel RIP (last post
>>>>>> 02/02) and Andy Judge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The 25th October is also Oliver's birthday.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the programme on the 24th Eddie mentioned that it was Oliver's
>>>>> birthday tomorrow, and on the 25th we heard that Will gave him a card.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think this is the first time that Oliver's birthday has ever been
>>>>> mentioned, so we still have no idea how old he is.
>>>>>
>>>> If the topic had never come up before (in TA), what lead them to
>>>> invoke it now?
>>>>
>>>
>>> The Grundys need to suck up to Oliver to try to avoid eviction.
>>
>> Are they doing repeats now?
>> Didn't Oliver buy the 'Grundy' farm (i.e. the farm on which the Grundys
>> had been tenants since time immoral) when they got turfed out a couple
>> of decades back?
>>
>
> They were tenants of Jeck at one time I think.
>

I don't think so. Grange Farm was part of the Berrow Estate and got
sold off when Borchester Land owned it. Ralph Bellamy owned the Berrow
Estate, buying it from the Fairbrothers and then there was Cameron
Fraser and Simon Pemberton before BL I think.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
> On 5.11.23 18:45, Mike McMillan wrote:
>> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>> On 05-Nov-23 11:31, John Ashby wrote:
>>>> On 04/11/2023 18:14, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>> On 04-Nov-23 10:21, carolet wrote:
>>>>>> On 25/10/2023 07:05, Birthday Monitor wrote:
>>>>>>> Birthday News for today, 25 October: Charles Hankel RIP (last post
>>>>>>> 02/02) and Andy Judge.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The 25th October is also Oliver's birthday.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the programme on the 24th Eddie mentioned that it was Oliver's
>>>>>> birthday tomorrow, and on the 25th we heard that Will gave him a card.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think this is the first time that Oliver's birthday has ever been
>>>>>> mentioned, so we still have no idea how old he is.
>>>>>>
>>>>> If the topic had never come up before (in TA), what lead them to
>>>>> invoke it now?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Grundys need to suck up to Oliver to try to avoid eviction.
>>>
>>> Are they doing repeats now?
>>> Didn't Oliver buy the 'Grundy' farm (i.e. the farm on which the Grundys
>>> had been tenants since time immoral) when they got turfed out a couple
>>> of decades back?
>>>
>>
>> They were tenants of Jeck at one time I think.
>>
>
> I don't think so. Grange Farm was part of the Berrow Estate and got
> sold off when Borchester Land owned it. Ralph Bellamy owned the Berrow
> Estate, buying it from the Fairbrothers and then there was Cameron
> Fraser and Simon Pemberton before BL I think.
>

There’s been a lot of Ne’er do wells in TA hasn’t there?!

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On 12/11/2023 14:15, Mike McMillan wrote:
> krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>> On 5.11.23 18:45, Mike McMillan wrote:
>>> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>>> On 05-Nov-23 11:31, John Ashby wrote:
>>>>> On 04/11/2023 18:14, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>>> On 04-Nov-23 10:21, carolet wrote:
>>>>>>> On 25/10/2023 07:05, Birthday Monitor wrote:
>>>>>>>> Birthday News for today, 25 October: Charles Hankel RIP (last post
>>>>>>>> 02/02) and Andy Judge.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The 25th October is also Oliver's birthday.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the programme on the 24th Eddie mentioned that it was Oliver's
>>>>>>> birthday tomorrow, and on the 25th we heard that Will gave him a card.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think this is the first time that Oliver's birthday has ever been
>>>>>>> mentioned, so we still have no idea how old he is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the topic had never come up before (in TA), what lead them to
>>>>>> invoke it now?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Grundys need to suck up to Oliver to try to avoid eviction.
>>>>
>>>> Are they doing repeats now?
>>>> Didn't Oliver buy the 'Grundy' farm (i.e. the farm on which the Grundys
>>>> had been tenants since time immoral) when they got turfed out a couple
>>>> of decades back?
>>>>
>>>
>>> They were tenants of Jeck at one time I think.
>>>
>>
>> I don't think so. Grange Farm was part of the Berrow Estate and got
>> sold off when Borchester Land owned it. Ralph Bellamy owned the Berrow
>> Estate, buying it from the Fairbrothers and then there was Cameron
>> Fraser and Simon Pemberton before BL I think.
>>
>
> There’s been a lot of Ne’er do wells in TA hasn’t there?!
>

All of them members of the rural plutocracy, but what can you expect
from the tofu eating wokerati at the BBC?

john