On 06/10/2023 19:50, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
> On 06/10/2023 18:04, wessie wrote:
>> Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote in news:482b2499-0b1a-9cb2-
>> dcd1-d517832c8229@scorecrow.com:
>>
>>> On 23/09/2023 07:43, Colin Irvine wrote:
>>>> As per. Two years old. Same grunt as the FJR but smaller, lighter and
>>>> less top-heavy. Loving it!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nice, but isn't the received wisdom to wait for the new 1300 version and
>>> then snap one of these up at a discount as "those who must have new"
>>> trade in their existing models?
>>>
>>> P.S. traitor!
>>
>> new RS are in short supply. BMW has issued a stop ship on all R1250
>> models
>> due to a faulty emissions component, rumoured to be the charcoal
>> filter in
>> the fuel cap.
>>
>> The R1300GS is due to be launched soon but the RS tends to be 2 years
>> behind that schedule, as with the 1250 shift cam engine.
>>
>> Add these 2 factors to the low sales volume overall of the RS that Colin
>> mentions and your hypothesis does not really hold together.
>
> I know - I just wanted to call him a traitor and the rest was a pretence
> at an on-topic post! ;-)

Since when has being on-topic been D-rigger?

Let alone de rigeur?

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 17:09:47 -0000 (UTC), wessie
<willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:

>ogden <eldaifo@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:2ad3921a-47ad-410d-a9c3-3aa00e87d38fn@googlegroups.com:
>
>> Champ wrote:
>>> Mark Olson wrote:
>>> >>>>As per. Two years old. Same grunt as the FJR but smaller, lighter
>>> >>>>and less top-heavy. Loving it!
>>> >>><sigh>
>>> >>>Another one lost to the teutonic borg :-(
>>>
>>> >Never had Champ down as an FJR sympathiser.
>>>
>>> No, I just dislike BMW GSs. In fact, I really dislike all adventure
>>> bikes
>> A 1250_R_S isn't an adventure bike.

>he's even seen two at Dieppe, my R1200RS which he parked next to and the
>R1250RS owned by Pete's son.

Yes, yes, I know what RS means

I just read "R1250" and assumed "GS" on the end :-(

--
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neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On 07/10/2023 14:19, Champ wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 17:09:47 -0000 (UTC), wessie
> <willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:
>
>> ogden <eldaifo@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:2ad3921a-47ad-410d-a9c3-3aa00e87d38fn@googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> Champ wrote:
>>>> Mark Olson wrote:
>>>>>>>> As per. Two years old. Same grunt as the FJR but smaller, lighter
>>>>>>>> and less top-heavy. Loving it!
>>>>>>> <sigh>
>>>>>>> Another one lost to the teutonic borg :-(
>>>>
>>>>> Never had Champ down as an FJR sympathiser.
>>>>
>>>> No, I just dislike BMW GSs. In fact, I really dislike all adventure
>>>> bikes
>
>>> A 1250_R_S isn't an adventure bike.
>
>> he's even seen two at Dieppe, my R1200RS which he parked next to and the
>> R1250RS owned by Pete's son.
>
> Yes, yes, I know what RS means
>
> I just read "R1250" and assumed "GS" on the end :-(
>

Are you me?

--
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On Sunday, 8 October 2023 at 09:42:12 UTC+1, YTC#1 wrote:
> On 07/10/2023 14:19, Champ wrote:

> > I just read "R1250" and assumed "GS" on the end :-(
> >
> Are you me?

Fuck me, that's a bit rude.

On Sun, 8 Oct 2023 01:55:18 -0700 (PDT), Stephen Packer
<stephen.packer@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, 8 October 2023 at 09:42:12 UTC+1, YTC#1 wrote:
>> On 07/10/2023 14:19, Champ wrote:
>
>> > I just read "R1250" and assumed "GS" on the end :-(

>> Are you me?

>Fuck me, that's a bit rude.

He'll be hearing from my lawyers

--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On Sunday, 8 October 2023 at 13:30:11 UTC+1, Champ wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Oct 2023 01:55:18 -0700 (PDT), Stephen Packer
> <stephen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, 8 October 2023 at 09:42:12 UTC+1, YTC#1 wrote:
> >> On 07/10/2023 14:19, Champ wrote:
> >
> >> > I just read "R1250" and assumed "GS" on the end :-(
>
> >> Are you me?
>
> >Fuck me, that's a bit rude.
> He'll be hearing from my lawyers

'lawyers'... dispensing justice from the thick end of a baseball bat.

On 10/6/2023 10:11 AM, wessie wrote:
> Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote in news:uf451m$3nv4l$2@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 9/28/2023 5:24 AM, Champ wrote:
>>> On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 16:32:42 -0000 (UTC), Mark Olson
>>> <olsonm@tiny.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> As per. Two years old. Same grunt as the FJR but smaller, lighter
>>>>>>> and less top-heavy. Loving it!
>>>
>>>>>> <sigh>
>>>>>> Another one lost to the teutonic borg :-(
>>>
>>>> Never had Champ down as an FJR sympathiser.
>>>
>>> No, I just dislike BMW GSs. In fact, I really dislike all adventure
>>> bikes (and yes, I have ridden a few). I particularly dislike how
>>> they've become the de facto choice of the majority of motorcyclists
>>> over a certain age.
>>
>> I've had 2 GS's. The one in Europe was comfy and relatively easy to
>> ride. The one I have now is really a pain. Too tall and cumbersome.
>> I'm not sure what was changed or on which, but they're 2 very
>> different machines.
>>
>
> is the current one an Adventure version? Taller with a bigger fuel tank
> that makes it more unwieldy.

Sorry it took so long to answer. AFAICT, it's not an Adventure. I assume
they have some tag somewhere on the bike that says so. Couldn't find
anything.

This thing is a real pain, though. It keeps killing batteries. After
it's turned off, something still puts a drain on it. After replacing the
battery, it still won't start. I'm ready to blow the thing up with some
explosives.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS & ST1100 (in memoriam)

Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/6/2023 10:11 AM, wessie wrote:
>> Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote in news:uf451m$3nv4l$2@dont-email.me:

>>> I've had 2 GS's. The one in Europe was comfy and relatively easy to
>>> ride. The one I have now is really a pain. Too tall and cumbersome.
>>> I'm not sure what was changed or on which, but they're 2 very
>>> different machines.
>>>
>>
>> is the current one an Adventure version? Taller with a bigger fuel tank
>> that makes it more unwieldy.
>
> Sorry it took so long to answer. AFAICT, it's not an Adventure. I assume
> they have some tag somewhere on the bike that says so. Couldn't find
> anything.

VIN lookup should tell you for sure, although someone here undoubtedly
knows what to look for.

> This thing is a real pain, though. It keeps killing batteries. After
> it's turned off, something still puts a drain on it. After replacing the
> battery, it still won't start. I'm ready to blow the thing up with some
> explosives.

Get someone (like me, or sleazy) who knows which end of a multimeter
is which to take a look at it. Could be many things, the secret of
finding parasitic drains is a 'divide and conquer' strategy. Basically,
disconnect a part of the electric system and see if the drain goes
away. Repeat the process on the non-zero portion of the loom until
only one load is still connected.

--
FJR1300A, GL1000, KLR650A6F, EX250J9A, DR200SE, Vespa Ciao

On 11/10/2023 01:43, Mark Olson wrote:
> Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:
>> On 10/6/2023 10:11 AM, wessie wrote:
>>> Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote in news:uf451m$3nv4l$2@dont-email.me:
>
>>>> I've had 2 GS's. The one in Europe was comfy and relatively easy to
>>>> ride. The one I have now is really a pain. Too tall and cumbersome.
>>>> I'm not sure what was changed or on which, but they're 2 very
>>>> different machines.
>>>>
>>>
>>> is the current one an Adventure version? Taller with a bigger fuel tank
>>> that makes it more unwieldy.
>>
>> Sorry it took so long to answer. AFAICT, it's not an Adventure. I assume
>> they have some tag somewhere on the bike that says so. Couldn't find
>> anything.
>
> VIN lookup should tell you for sure, although someone here undoubtedly
> knows what to look for.
>
>> This thing is a real pain, though. It keeps killing batteries. After
>> it's turned off, something still puts a drain on it. After replacing the
>> battery, it still won't start. I'm ready to blow the thing up with some
>> explosives.
>
> Get someone (like me, or sleazy) who knows which end of a multimeter
> is which to take a look at it. Could be many things, the secret of
> finding parasitic drains is a 'divide and conquer' strategy. Basically,
> disconnect a part of the electric system and see if the drain goes
> away. Repeat the process on the non-zero portion of the loom until
> only one load is still connected.
>

In the SOB days the first likely suspect would be the rectifier. Spent
weeks with a small switch inserted between the battery of a 50's AJS and
earth. Fine when running but flat within hours if left,

If a new fully charged battery won't even turn the motor over or light
up the idiot lights,something pretty major must be fubar, or will it
crank but not start?

Checked the side stand switch?
A mate's Corsaro 1200 played silly beggars on the IoM once. Turned out a
sensor thought it was already running. Popped it in to gear and shoved
it just enough to turn the the crank a tad and it then started on the
button,

--
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Gilera 175 Sport, Husqvarna 401 Svartpilen
Honda CB250RS (Not Waynetta!)
"Do not adjust your mind, there is a fault in the reality"

On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 00:43:56 -0000 (UTC), Mark Olson
<olsonm@tiny.invalid> wrote:

>Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:
>> On 10/6/2023 10:11 AM, wessie wrote:
>>> Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote in news:uf451m$3nv4l$2@dont-email.me:
>
>>>> I've had 2 GS's. The one in Europe was comfy and relatively easy to
>>>> ride. The one I have now is really a pain. Too tall and cumbersome.
>>>> I'm not sure what was changed or on which, but they're 2 very
>>>> different machines.
>>>>
>>>
>>> is the current one an Adventure version? Taller with a bigger fuel tank
>>> that makes it more unwieldy.
>>
>> Sorry it took so long to answer. AFAICT, it's not an Adventure. I assume
>> they have some tag somewhere on the bike that says so. Couldn't find
>> anything.
>
>VIN lookup should tell you for sure, although someone here undoubtedly
>knows what to look for.
>
>> This thing is a real pain, though. It keeps killing batteries. After
>> it's turned off, something still puts a drain on it. After replacing the
>> battery, it still won't start. I'm ready to blow the thing up with some
>> explosives.
>
>Get someone (like me, or sleazy) who knows which end of a multimeter
>is which to take a look at it. Could be many things, the secret of
>finding parasitic drains is a 'divide and conquer' strategy. Basically,
>disconnect a part of the electric system and see if the drain goes
>away. Repeat the process on the non-zero portion of the loom until
>only one load is still connected.

Easy said than done, I'd have thought, with BMW electronics.

--
Colin Irvine
R1250RS

On 11/10/2023 12:07, Colin Irvine wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 00:43:56 -0000 (UTC), Mark Olson
> <olsonm@tiny.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Get someone (like me, or sleazy) who knows which end of a multimeter
>> is which to take a look at it. Could be many things, the secret of
>> finding parasitic drains is a 'divide and conquer' strategy. Basically,
>> disconnect a part of the electric system and see if the drain goes
>> away. Repeat the process on the non-zero portion of the loom until
>> only one load is still connected.
>
> Easy said than done, I'd have thought, with BMW electronics.

Pulling fuses one at a time would be a reasonable first filter.

On Wednesday, 11 October 2023 at 16:16:47 UTC+1, Mike Fleming wrote:
> On 11/10/2023 12:07, Colin Irvine wrote:

> > Easy said than done, I'd have thought, with BMW electronics.
> Pulling fuses one at a time would be a reasonable first filter.

Not *sure* the more modern BMWs have fuses.

At least my 2012 RT doesn't. It's got hideously expensive
modules that sense the current flow and disable if it's too
high. These have big looms flowing in and out (e.g. ZFE
module handles the chassis electronics) and if they go
wrong... heaven help you.

Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> wrote in news:konsirFe21kU2
@mid.individual.net:

> On 11/10/2023 12:07, Colin Irvine wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 00:43:56 -0000 (UTC), Mark Olson
>> <olsonm@tiny.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Get someone (like me, or sleazy) who knows which end of a multimeter
>>> is which to take a look at it. Could be many things, the secret of
>>> finding parasitic drains is a 'divide and conquer' strategy. Basically,
>>> disconnect a part of the electric system and see if the drain goes
>>> away. Repeat the process on the non-zero portion of the loom until
>>> only one load is still connected.
>>
>> Easy said than done, I'd have thought, with BMW electronics.
>
> Pulling fuses one at a time would be a reasonable first filter.
>

good luck with that on a bike with canbus where most circuit currents are
monitored by the ECU and disabled electronically

on my R1200RS there are 3 real fuses. 1 30A job on the starter circuit.

one always live feeding the watchdog circuit for the keyless ignition
system and alarm if fitted

one switched circuit for the tyre pressure monitors

Colin Irvine <look@colinandpat.co.uk> wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 00:43:56 -0000 (UTC), Mark Olson
> <olsonm@tiny.invalid> wrote:

>>Get someone (like me, or sleazy) who knows which end of a multimeter
>>is which to take a look at it. Could be many things, the secret of
>>finding parasitic drains is a 'divide and conquer' strategy. Basically,
>>disconnect a part of the electric system and see if the drain goes
>>away. Repeat the process on the non-zero portion of the loom until
>>only one load is still connected.
>
> Easy said than done, I'd have thought, with BMW electronics.

Well, you're not wrong. It never looks that hard when you're peering at
the schematic in the ideal world. Once you leave the perfection of the
diagram and move into the real world, it gets a lot harder. Sometimes
just finding the connector you need to break apart can be a struggle,
and good luck finding shorts or opens inside a tightly wrapped loom.

There's something I've learned, that when you're the adult in the room,
and there's no one else coming to save the day, you're just going to
have to get the job done.

My first thought was like Pete's, a leaky diode in the
rectifier/regulator is probably the culprit.

--
FJR1300A, GL1000, KLR650A6F, EX250J9A, DR200SE, Vespa Ciao