Yet another very irritating Amercanism; I notice in any Merkin YouTube
presentation involving electrical components, they are incapable of
pronouncing the word ‘solder’; there must be a very larger number of sods
in the USA! Harrumph!

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

In message <uja6pt$39r6g$1@dont-email.me> at Sat, 18 Nov 2023 11:22:37,
Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>Yet another very irritating Amercanism; I notice in any Merkin YouTube
>presentation involving electrical components, they are incapable of
>pronouncing the word ‘solder’; there must be a very larger number of sods
>in the USA! Harrumph!
>
>
I think they still _spell_ it with the l, though I'm not sure about
that.

When it came up recently with American cousins, they didn't know what I
was talking about, and were trying to understand where the soldiers came
in.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

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Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> wrote:
> Yet another very irritating Amercanism; I notice in any Merkin YouTube
> presentation involving electrical components, they are incapable of
> pronouncing the word ‘solder’; there must be a very larger number of sods
> in the USA! Harrumph!

Well they wood, woodn’t they?

On 18/11/2023 14:36, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In message <uja6pt$39r6g$1@dont-email.me> at Sat, 18 Nov 2023 11:22:37,
> Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>> Yet another very irritating Amercanism; I notice in any Merkin YouTube
>> presentation involving electrical components, they are incapable of
>> pronouncing the word ‘solder’; there must be a very larger number of sods
>> in the USA! Harrumph!
>>
>>
> I think they still _spell_ it with the l, though I'm not sure about that.
>
> When it came up recently with American cousins, they didn't know what I
> was talking about, and were trying to understand where the soldiers came
> in.

Yes, I find it very annoying too. I'm fairly certain they spell it
"solder". Apparently, their "reason" for saying "sodder" is that it
comes from the French word "souder".

On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 09:18:41 +0000, John Armstrong
<jja@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>On 18/11/2023 14:36, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> In message <uja6pt$39r6g$1@dont-email.me> at Sat, 18 Nov 2023 11:22:37,
>> Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>>> Yet another very irritating Amercanism; I notice in any Merkin YouTube
>>> presentation involving electrical components, they are incapable of
>>> pronouncing the word ‘solder’; there must be a very larger number of sods
>>> in the USA! Harrumph!
>>>
>>>
>> I think they still _spell_ it with the l, though I'm not sure about that.
>>
>> When it came up recently with American cousins, they didn't know what I
>> was talking about, and were trying to understand where the soldiers came
>> in.
>
>Yes, I find it very annoying too. I'm fairly certain they spell it
>"solder". Apparently, their "reason" for saying "sodder" is that it
>comes from the French word "souder".

They also, I believe, skip the five in a rocket launch countdown in
case their pronunciation is so awful that somebody mistakes five for
"Fire!!!!" Perhaps that's what went wrong with SpaceX on Saturday.

Nick

On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 09:40:58 +0000, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca>
wrote:

>They also, I believe, skip the five in a rocket launch countdown in
>case their pronunciation is so awful that somebody mistakes five for
>"Fire!!!!" Perhaps that's what went wrong with SpaceX on Saturday.
>
>Nick

I thought I heard on the news that launch went ok, or better than the
last.

On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 11:04:18 +0000, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 09:40:58 +0000, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca>
>wrote:
>
>>They also, I believe, skip the five in a rocket launch countdown in
>>case their pronunciation is so awful that somebody mistakes five for
>>"Fire!!!!" Perhaps that's what went wrong with SpaceX on Saturday.
>>
>>Nick
>
>I thought I heard on the news that launch went ok, or better than the
>last.

Has anybody seen Elon Musk in the past twenty-four hours? I thought
not.

I understood the launch went well and the "unscheduled disassembly" of
the booster stage occurred after separation from the next stage but
because they have been unable to make contact with that stage it is
presumed that it too blew up.

Far too many maybes in that for me so let's add another one. What if
the booster stage was deliberately blown up to disguise the successful
onward travel of the next stage... to Mars.... with his Muskness
aboard?????

AIUI we missed the best launch window for a journey to Mars and the
next one won't come around until October next year but...
....wouldn't that be just like Elon to insist on doing it the hard way?

You wai. In a couple of years time someone will unfurl a flag on the
Red Planet and rename it Planet X. I know about these things: I've
listened to Journey into Spaaaaaace!

Nick

In message <kru27hFc4vbU1@mid.individual.net> at Sun, 19 Nov 2023
09:18:41, John Armstrong <jja@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>On 18/11/2023 14:36, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> In message <uja6pt$39r6g$1@dont-email.me> at Sat, 18 Nov 2023
>>11:22:37, Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>>> Yet another very irritating Amercanism; I notice in any Merkin YouTube
>>> presentation involving electrical components, they are incapable of
>>> pronouncing the word ‘solder’; there must be a very larger
>>>number of sods
>>> in the USA! Harrumph!
>>>
>>>
>> I think they still _spell_ it with the l, though I'm not sure about that.
>> When it came up recently with American cousins, they didn't know
>>what I was talking about, and were trying to understand where the
>>soldiers came in.
>
>Yes, I find it very annoying too. I'm fairly certain they spell it
>"solder". Apparently, their "reason" for saying "sodder" is that it
>comes from the French word "souder".

I very much doubt it; I'd assume the French soudre and the British (!)
solder both come from a common root, probably Latin.

French has often dropped letters - sometimes initially adding a
circumflex accent which shows there was an s there originally, as in
their word for window, which comes from fenestra. Ah yes, as I thought:
Google Translate knows Latin, and translates solder as solidari.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Veni, Vidi, Vomit (I came, I saw, I was ill) - mik@saslimited.demon.co.uk, 1998

On 19/11/2023 13:40, Nick Odell wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 11:04:18 +0000, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 09:40:58 +0000, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> They also, I believe, skip the five in a rocket launch countdown in
>>> case their pronunciation is so awful that somebody mistakes five for
>>> "Fire!!!!" Perhaps that's what went wrong with SpaceX on Saturday.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>
>> I thought I heard on the news that launch went ok, or better than the
>> last.
>
> Has anybody seen Elon Musk in the past twenty-four hours? I thought
> not.
>
> I understood the launch went well and the "unscheduled disassembly" of
> the booster stage occurred after separation from the next stage but
> because they have been unable to make contact with that stage it is
> presumed that it too blew up.
>
> Far too many maybes in that for me so let's add another one. What if
> the booster stage was deliberately blown up to disguise the successful
> onward travel of the next stage... to Mars.... with his Muskness
> aboard?????
>
> AIUI we missed the best launch window for a journey to Mars and the
> next one won't come around until October next year but...
> ...wouldn't that be just like Elon to insist on doing it the hard way?
>
> You wai. In a couple of years time someone will unfurl a flag on the
> Red Planet and rename it Planet X. I know about these things: I've
> listened to Journey into Spaaaaaace!
>
> Nick

With the bonus (for Musk) that there are no Jews on Mars.

john

Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 11:04:18 +0000, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 09:40:58 +0000, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> They also, I believe, skip the five in a rocket launch countdown in
>>> case their pronunciation is so awful that somebody mistakes five for
>>> "Fire!!!!" Perhaps that's what went wrong with SpaceX on Saturday.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>
>> I thought I heard on the news that launch went ok, or better than the
>> last.
>
> Has anybody seen Elon Musk in the past twenty-four hours? I thought
> not.
>
> I understood the launch went well and the "unscheduled disassembly" of
> the booster stage occurred after separation from the next stage but
> because they have been unable to make contact with that stage it is
> presumed that it too blew up.
>
> Far too many maybes in that for me so let's add another one. What if
> the booster stage was deliberately blown up to disguise the successful
> onward travel of the next stage... to Mars.... with his Muskness
> aboard?????
>
> AIUI we missed the best launch window for a journey to Mars and the
> next one won't come around until October next year but...
> ...wouldn't that be just like Elon to insist on doing it the hard way?
>
> You wai. In a couple of years time someone will unfurl a flag on the
> Red Planet and rename it Planet X. I know about these things: I've
> listened to Journey into Spaaaaaace!
>
> Nick
>

I suppose we may hear Er lon.

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
> In message <kru27hFc4vbU1@mid.individual.net> at Sun, 19 Nov 2023
> 09:18:41, John Armstrong <jja@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>> On 18/11/2023 14:36, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>> In message <uja6pt$39r6g$1@dont-email.me> at Sat, 18 Nov 2023
>>> 11:22:37, Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>>>> Yet another very irritating Amercanism; I notice in any Merkin YouTube
>>>> presentation involving electrical components, they are incapable of
>>>> pronouncing the word ‘solder’; there must be a very larger
>>>> number of sods
>>>> in the USA! Harrumph!
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I think they still _spell_ it with the l, though I'm not sure about that.
>>> When it came up recently with American cousins, they didn't know
>>> what I was talking about, and were trying to understand where the
>>> soldiers came in.
>>
>> Yes, I find it very annoying too. I'm fairly certain they spell it
>> "solder". Apparently, their "reason" for saying "sodder" is that it
>> comes from the French word "souder".
>
> I very much doubt it; I'd assume the French soudre and the British (!)
> solder both come from a common root, probably Latin.
>
> French has often dropped letters - sometimes initially adding a
> circumflex accent which shows there was an s there originally, as in
> their word for window, which comes from fenestra. Ah yes, as I thought:
> Google Translate knows Latin, and translates solder as solidari.

Could we seek another source for ‘solidarity’?

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 14:26:14 +0000, John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On 19/11/2023 13:40, Nick Odell wrote:
>> On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 11:04:18 +0000, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 09:40:58 +0000, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> They also, I believe, skip the five in a rocket launch countdown in
>>>> case their pronunciation is so awful that somebody mistakes five for
>>>> "Fire!!!!" Perhaps that's what went wrong with SpaceX on Saturday.
>>>>
>>>> Nick
>>>
>>> I thought I heard on the news that launch went ok, or better than the
>>> last.
>>
>> Has anybody seen Elon Musk in the past twenty-four hours? I thought
>> not.
>>
>> I understood the launch went well and the "unscheduled disassembly" of
>> the booster stage occurred after separation from the next stage but
>> because they have been unable to make contact with that stage it is
>> presumed that it too blew up.
>>
>> Far too many maybes in that for me so let's add another one. What if
>> the booster stage was deliberately blown up to disguise the successful
>> onward travel of the next stage... to Mars.... with his Muskness
>> aboard?????
>>
>> AIUI we missed the best launch window for a journey to Mars and the
>> next one won't come around until October next year but...
>> ...wouldn't that be just like Elon to insist on doing it the hard way?
>>
>> You wai. In a couple of years time someone will unfurl a flag on the
>> Red Planet and rename it Planet X. I know about these things: I've
>> listened to Journey into Spaaaaaace!
>>
>> Nick
>
>With the bonus (for Musk) that there are no Jews on Mars.
>
Oooooh. Are you still not accepting personal BTNs? Perhaps since the
despicable bad taste is entirely on the part of the despicable Mr
Musk, you might reconsider?

Nick

On 19-Nov-23 9:18, John Armstrong wrote:
> On 18/11/2023 14:36, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> In message <uja6pt$39r6g$1@dont-email.me> at Sat, 18 Nov 2023
>> 11:22:37, Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>>> Yet another very irritating Amercanism; I notice in any Merkin YouTube
>>> presentation involving electrical components, they are incapable of
>>> pronouncing the word ‘solder’; there must be a very larger number of
>>> sods
>>> in the USA! Harrumph!
>>>
>>>
>> I think they still _spell_ it with the l, though I'm not sure about that.
>>
>> When it came up recently with American cousins, they didn't know what
>> I was talking about, and were trying to understand where the soldiers
>> came in.
>
> Yes, I find it very annoying too. I'm fairly certain they spell it
> "solder".  Apparently, their "reason" for saying "sodder" is that it
> comes from the French word "souder".

When you have settled that one, ask an American to pronounce "buoy".

--
Sam Plusnet

On 19/11/2023 17:08, Nick Odell wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 14:26:14 +0000, John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 19/11/2023 13:40, Nick Odell wrote:
>>> On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 11:04:18 +0000, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 09:40:58 +0000, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> They also, I believe, skip the five in a rocket launch countdown in
>>>>> case their pronunciation is so awful that somebody mistakes five for
>>>>> "Fire!!!!" Perhaps that's what went wrong with SpaceX on Saturday.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nick
>>>>
>>>> I thought I heard on the news that launch went ok, or better than the
>>>> last.
>>>
>>> Has anybody seen Elon Musk in the past twenty-four hours? I thought
>>> not.
>>>
>>> I understood the launch went well and the "unscheduled disassembly" of
>>> the booster stage occurred after separation from the next stage but
>>> because they have been unable to make contact with that stage it is
>>> presumed that it too blew up.
>>>
>>> Far too many maybes in that for me so let's add another one. What if
>>> the booster stage was deliberately blown up to disguise the successful
>>> onward travel of the next stage... to Mars.... with his Muskness
>>> aboard?????
>>>
>>> AIUI we missed the best launch window for a journey to Mars and the
>>> next one won't come around until October next year but...
>>> ...wouldn't that be just like Elon to insist on doing it the hard way?
>>>
>>> You wai. In a couple of years time someone will unfurl a flag on the
>>> Red Planet and rename it Planet X. I know about these things: I've
>>> listened to Journey into Spaaaaaace!
>>>
>>> Nick
>>
>> With the bonus (for Musk) that there are no Jews on Mars.
>>
> Oooooh. Are you still not accepting personal BTNs? Perhaps since the
> despicable bad taste is entirely on the part of the despicable Mr
> Musk, you might reconsider?
>
> Nick

I thank you for the thought and shall privately preen but not add it to
the official list (in part out of consideration for the Jewish umrats
past and present).

john

Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
> On 19-Nov-23 9:18, John Armstrong wrote:
>> On 18/11/2023 14:36, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>> In message <uja6pt$39r6g$1@dont-email.me> at Sat, 18 Nov 2023
>>> 11:22:37, Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>>>> Yet another very irritating Amercanism; I notice in any Merkin YouTube
>>>> presentation involving electrical components, they are incapable of
>>>> pronouncing the word ‘solder’; there must be a very larger number of
>>>> sods
>>>> in the USA! Harrumph!
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I think they still _spell_ it with the l, though I'm not sure about that.
>>>
>>> When it came up recently with American cousins, they didn't know what
>>> I was talking about, and were trying to understand where the soldiers
>>> came in.
>>
>> Yes, I find it very annoying too. I'm fairly certain they spell it
>> "solder".  Apparently, their "reason" for saying "sodder" is that it
>> comes from the French word "souder".
>
> When you have settled that one, ask an American to pronounce "buoy".
>

‘Booey’ (or may be that is Booie.)

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> wrote:
> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>> On 19-Nov-23 9:18, John Armstrong wrote:
>>> On 18/11/2023 14:36, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>> In message <uja6pt$39r6g$1@dont-email.me> at Sat, 18 Nov 2023
>>>> 11:22:37, Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>>>>> Yet another very irritating Amercanism; I notice in any Merkin YouTube
>>>>> presentation involving electrical components, they are incapable of
>>>>> pronouncing the word ‘solder’; there must be a very larger number of
>>>>> sods
>>>>> in the USA! Harrumph!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I think they still _spell_ it with the l, though I'm not sure about that.
>>>>
>>>> When it came up recently with American cousins, they didn't know what
>>>> I was talking about, and were trying to understand where the soldiers
>>>> came in.
>>>
>>> Yes, I find it very annoying too. I'm fairly certain they spell it
>>> "solder".  Apparently, their "reason" for saying "sodder" is that it
>>> comes from the French word "souder".
>>
>> When you have settled that one, ask an American to pronounce "buoy".
>>
>
> ‘Booey’ (or may be that is Booie.)
>

Or even Boowie / Boowey?

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On 19/11/2023 13:57, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In message <kru27hFc4vbU1@mid.individual.net> at Sun, 19 Nov 2023
> 09:18:41, John Armstrong <jja@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>> On 18/11/2023 14:36, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>> In message <uja6pt$39r6g$1@dont-email.me> at Sat, 18 Nov 2023
>>> 11:22:37,  Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>>>> Yet another very irritating Amercanism; I notice in any Merkin YouTube
>>>> presentation involving electrical components, they are incapable of
>>>> pronouncing the word ‘solder’; there must be a very larger number of
>>>> sods
>>>> in the USA! Harrumph!
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I think they still _spell_ it with the l, though I'm not sure about
>>> that.
>>>  When it came up recently with American cousins, they didn't know
>>> what I  was talking about, and were trying to understand where the
>>> soldiers came  in.
>>
>> Yes, I find it very annoying too. I'm fairly certain they spell it
>> "solder".  Apparently, their "reason" for saying "sodder" is that it
>> comes from the French word "souder".
>
> I very much doubt it; I'd assume the French soudre and the British (!)
> solder both come from a common root, probably Latin.

The Old French word "soudre" means "to pay (or pay off) a debt". Quite
different from "souder" which means "to solder".
>
> French has often dropped letters - sometimes initially adding a
> circumflex accent which shows there was an s there originally, as in
> their word for window, which comes from fenestra.

Indeed, and sometimes an acute is used, as in "étable", meaning "stable".

Ah yes, as I thought:
> Google Translate knows Latin, and translates solder as solidari.

Slight typo there. It's "solidare", "to make solid". First conjugation.

On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 13:57:33 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
scrawled in the dust...

>In message <kru27hFc4vbU1@mid.individual.net> at Sun, 19 Nov 2023
>09:18:41, John Armstrong <jja@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>>On 18/11/2023 14:36, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>> In message <uja6pt$39r6g$1@dont-email.me> at Sat, 18 Nov 2023
>>>11:22:37, Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>>>> Yet another very irritating Amercanism; I notice in any Merkin YouTube
>>>> presentation involving electrical components, they are incapable of
>>>> pronouncing the word ‘solder’; there must be a very larger
>>>>number of sods
>>>> in the USA! Harrumph!
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I think they still _spell_ it with the l, though I'm not sure about that.
>>> When it came up recently with American cousins, they didn't know
>>>what I was talking about, and were trying to understand where the
>>>soldiers came in.
>>
>>Yes, I find it very annoying too. I'm fairly certain they spell it
>>"solder". Apparently, their "reason" for saying "sodder" is that it
>>comes from the French word "souder".
>
>I very much doubt it; I'd assume the French soudre and the British (!)
>solder both come from a common root, probably Latin.
>
>French has often dropped letters - sometimes initially adding a
>circumflex accent which shows there was an s there originally, as in
>their word for window, which comes from fenestra. Ah yes, as I thought:
>Google Translate knows Latin, and translates solder as solidari.

Chambers says:
Solder - from Old French soudre, souldure - souder, soulder, to consolidate
- Latin solidari - to make solid

--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

In message <ujf82d$8mun$1@dont-email.me> at Mon, 20 Nov 2023 09:14:53,
Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> wrote:
>> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>> On 19-Nov-23 9:18, John Armstrong wrote:
[]
>>>> Yes, I find it very annoying too. I'm fairly certain they spell it
>>>> "solder".  Apparently, their "reason" for saying "sodder" is that it
>>>> comes from the French word "souder".

[Invalid - both are from a Latin word (that does have an l in it).]
>>>
>>> When you have settled that one, ask an American to pronounce "buoy".
>>>
>>
>> ‘Booey’ (or may be that is Booie.)
>>
>
>Or even Boowie / Boowey?
>
Spoils the cartoon I once saw, of a seabird perched on one, captioned
"if you were the only gull in the world, and I were the only buoy ..."

The US pronunciation that bugs me most is the voiced embedded t - so
that water and writer come out as warder and rider. It's weird, as they
can pronounce the letter t fine if it's at the beginning or end of a
word, only not if it's in the middle, and I'm pretty ("priddy") sure
they don't know they're doing it.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Anybody can garble quotations like that -- even with the Bible... Er... "And he
went and hanged himself (Matthew 27:5). Go, and do thou likewise (Luke 10:37)."

J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
> In message <ujf82d$8mun$1@dont-email.me> at Mon, 20 Nov 2023 09:14:53,
> Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>> Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> wrote:
>>> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>>> On 19-Nov-23 9:18, John Armstrong wrote:
> []
>>>>> Yes, I find it very annoying too. I'm fairly certain they spell it
>>>>> "solder".  Apparently, their "reason" for saying "sodder" is that it
>>>>> comes from the French word "souder".
>
> [Invalid - both are from a Latin word (that does have an l in it).]
>>>>
>>>> When you have settled that one, ask an American to pronounce "buoy".
>>>>
>>>
>>> ‘Booey’ (or may be that is Booie.)
>>>
>>
>> Or even Boowie / Boowey?
>>
> Spoils the cartoon I once saw, of a seabird perched on one, captioned
> "if you were the only gull in the world, and I were the only buoy ..."
>
> The US pronunciation that bugs me most is the voiced embedded t - so
> that water and writer come out as warder and rider. It's weird, as they
> can pronounce the letter t fine if it's at the beginning or end of a
> word, only not if it's in the middle, and I'm pretty ("priddy") sure
> they don't know they're doing it.

Perhaps you should enquire on ‘Twi’er…

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

In message <ujfbjn$9a3e$1@dont-email.me> at Mon, 20 Nov 2023 10:15:19,
Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
[]
>> The US pronunciation that bugs me most is the voiced embedded t - so
>> that water and writer come out as warder and rider. It's weird, as they
>> can pronounce the letter t fine if it's at the beginning or end of a
>> word, only not if it's in the middle, and I'm pretty ("priddy") sure
>> they don't know they're doing it.
>
>Perhaps you should enquire on ‘Twi’er…
>
Ah, the glo'al stop! I think of that as a regional British trait (not
sure which region - I think several). Though if it's a US one too, maybe
that's why the change of name! (Though I doubt it.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Look out for #1. Don't step in #2 either.

On 20/11/2023 09:59, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In message <ujf82d$8mun$1@dont-email.me> at Mon, 20 Nov 2023 09:14:53,
> Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>> Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> wrote:
>>> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>>> On 19-Nov-23 9:18, John Armstrong wrote:
> []
>>>>> Yes, I find it very annoying too. I'm fairly certain they spell it
>>>>> "solder".  Apparently, their "reason" for saying "sodder" is that it
>>>>> comes from the French word "souder".
>
> [Invalid - both are from a Latin word (that does have an l in it).]
>>>>
>>>> When you have settled that one, ask an American to pronounce "buoy".
>>>>
>>>
>>> ‘Booey’ (or may be that is Booie.)
>>>
>>
>> Or even Boowie / Boowey?
>>
> Spoils the cartoon I once saw, of a seabird perched on one, captioned
> "if you were the only gull in the world, and I were the only buoy ..."
>
> The US pronunciation that bugs me most is the voiced embedded t - so
> that water and writer come out as warder and rider. It's weird, as they
> can pronounce the letter t fine if it's at the beginning or end of a
> word, only not if it's in the middle, and I'm pretty ("priddy") sure
> they don't know they're doing it.

I was (and sometimes still am) confused by Google Maps telling me to
"slide right".

john

On 19/11/2023 19:22, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 19-Nov-23 9:18, John Armstrong wrote:
>> On 18/11/2023 14:36, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>> In message <uja6pt$39r6g$1@dont-email.me> at Sat, 18 Nov 2023
>>> 11:22:37, Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>>>> Yet another very irritating Amercanism; I notice in any Merkin YouTube
>>>> presentation involving electrical components, they are incapable of
>>>> pronouncing the word ‘solder’; there must be a very larger number of
>>>> sods
>>>> in the USA! Harrumph!
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I think they still _spell_ it with the l, though I'm not sure about
>>> that.
>>>
>>> When it came up recently with American cousins, they didn't know what
>>> I was talking about, and were trying to understand where the soldiers
>>> came in.
>>
>> Yes, I find it very annoying too. I'm fairly certain they spell it
>> "solder".  Apparently, their "reason" for saying "sodder" is that it
>> comes from the French word "souder".
>
> When you have settled that one, ask an American to pronounce "buoy".

Soddering a booie would get you banged up in the US, in much the same
ways as muffin' the mule would here.

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Cheers
Clive

Clive Arthur <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
> On 19/11/2023 19:22, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>> On 19-Nov-23 9:18, John Armstrong wrote:
>>> On 18/11/2023 14:36, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>> In message <uja6pt$39r6g$1@dont-email.me> at Sat, 18 Nov 2023
>>>> 11:22:37, Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>>>>> Yet another very irritating Amercanism; I notice in any Merkin YouTube
>>>>> presentation involving electrical components, they are incapable of
>>>>> pronouncing the word ‘solder’; there must be a very larger number of
>>>>> sods
>>>>> in the USA! Harrumph!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I think they still _spell_ it with the l, though I'm not sure about
>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>> When it came up recently with American cousins, they didn't know what
>>>> I was talking about, and were trying to understand where the soldiers
>>>> came in.
>>>
>>> Yes, I find it very annoying too. I'm fairly certain they spell it
>>> "solder".  Apparently, their "reason" for saying "sodder" is that it
>>> comes from the French word "souder".
>>
>> When you have settled that one, ask an American to pronounce "buoy".
>
> Soddering a booie would get you banged up in the US, in much the same
> ways as muffin' the mule would here.
>

You trying to make an Ass of me?!?

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Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On 20/11/2023 09:59, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

> The US pronunciation that bugs me most is the voiced embedded t - so
> that water and writer come out as warder and rider. It's weird, as they
> can pronounce the letter t fine if it's at the beginning or end of a
> word, only not if it's in the middle, and I'm pretty ("priddy") sure
> they don't know they're doing it.

Which doesn't explain the idiot of a waiter who started offering me
Budweiser, Coors Light and almost anything else you can think off until
I described what I actually wanted. After that I decided to refer to at
as whaddah as the locals bizarrely did.

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Ric