Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 17:42:56 +0000, David Woolley
> <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 15/12/2023 14:24, Scott wrote:
>>> When you say 'suppress local ringing' do you prevent the DECT phone
>>> ringing or prevent all the phones on the line ringing? This will
>>> determine whether a DECT phone and a wired phone can co-exist.
>>
>> There is no way of signalling to parallel connected phones not to ring
>> other than actually answering the call.
>
> Good, that's what I assumed. Now, is the DECT phone able to blacklist
> the call in the usual way (bringing all ringing to an end) or does the
> presence of a wired phone stop the blacklist function working?
>

Well the wired phone will ring as normal if the ringer is turned on. Why
would you expect a DECT phone to be affected by a wired phone? A blocked
number won’t ring on the DECT phone but will ring on the wired one.

Tim

--
Please don't feed the trolls

On 15 Dec 2023 19:01:57 GMT, Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> wrote:

>Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 17:42:56 +0000, David Woolley
>> <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 15/12/2023 14:24, Scott wrote:
>>>> When you say 'suppress local ringing' do you prevent the DECT phone
>>>> ringing or prevent all the phones on the line ringing? This will
>>>> determine whether a DECT phone and a wired phone can co-exist.
>>>
>>> There is no way of signalling to parallel connected phones not to ring
>>> other than actually answering the call.
>>
>> Good, that's what I assumed. Now, is the DECT phone able to blacklist
>> the call in the usual way (bringing all ringing to an end) or does the
>> presence of a wired phone stop the blacklist function working?
>>
>
>Well the wired phone will ring as normal if the ringer is turned on. Why
>would you expect a DECT phone to be affected by a wired phone? A blocked
>number won’t ring on the DECT phone but will ring on the wired one.
>
That is exactly what I was wondering. Surely if the DECT phone
terminates the call then all the ringing will stop? Will the DECT
phone not terminate the call almost instantaneously?

On 15/12/2023 21:48, Scott wrote:
> On 15 Dec 2023 19:01:57 GMT, Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> wrote:
>
>> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 17:42:56 +0000, David Woolley
>>> <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 15/12/2023 14:24, Scott wrote:
>>>>> When you say 'suppress local ringing' do you prevent the DECT phone
>>>>> ringing or prevent all the phones on the line ringing? This will
>>>>> determine whether a DECT phone and a wired phone can co-exist.
>>>>
>>>> There is no way of signalling to parallel connected phones not to ring
>>>> other than actually answering the call.
>>>
>>> Good, that's what I assumed. Now, is the DECT phone able to blacklist
>>> the call in the usual way (bringing all ringing to an end) or does the
>>> presence of a wired phone stop the blacklist function working?
>>>
>>
>> Well the wired phone will ring as normal if the ringer is turned on. Why
>> would you expect a DECT phone to be affected by a wired phone? A blocked
>> number won’t ring on the DECT phone but will ring on the wired one.
>>
> That is exactly what I was wondering. Surely if the DECT phone
> terminates the call then all the ringing will stop? Will the DECT
> phone not terminate the call almost instantaneously?

The only way to "terminate the call" is to answer it, then hang up...

Dave

On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 21:48:50 +0000
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

> On 15 Dec 2023 19:01:57 GMT, Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> wrote:
>
> >Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 17:42:56 +0000, David Woolley
> >> <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 15/12/2023 14:24, Scott wrote:
> >>>> When you say 'suppress local ringing' do you prevent the DECT
> >>>> phone ringing or prevent all the phones on the line ringing?
> >>>> This will determine whether a DECT phone and a wired phone can
> >>>> co-exist.
> >>>
> >>> There is no way of signalling to parallel connected phones not to
> >>> ring other than actually answering the call.
> >>
> >> Good, that's what I assumed. Now, is the DECT phone able to
> >> blacklist the call in the usual way (bringing all ringing to an
> >> end) or does the presence of a wired phone stop the blacklist
> >> function working?
> >
> >Well the wired phone will ring as normal if the ringer is turned on.
> >Why would you expect a DECT phone to be affected by a wired phone? A
> >blocked number won’t ring on the DECT phone but will ring on the
> >wired one.
> >
> That is exactly what I was wondering. Surely if the DECT phone
> terminates the call then all the ringing will stop? Will the DECT
> phone not terminate the call almost instantaneously?

The DECT 'phone will stop the call AS FAR AS IT PERTAINS TO THE DECT
'PHONE. It does not stop the signal coming down the line. As David Wade
says, the actual signal must be interrupted.

--
Davey.

Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 21:48:50 +0000
> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > On 15 Dec 2023 19:01:57 GMT, Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> wrote:
> >
> > >Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> > >> On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 17:42:56 +0000, David Woolley
> > >> <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> On 15/12/2023 14:24, Scott wrote:
> > >>>> When you say 'suppress local ringing' do you prevent the DECT
> > >>>> phone ringing or prevent all the phones on the line ringing?
> > >>>> This will determine whether a DECT phone and a wired phone can
> > >>>> co-exist.
> > >>>
> > >>> There is no way of signalling to parallel connected phones not to
> > >>> ring other than actually answering the call.
> > >>
> > >> Good, that's what I assumed. Now, is the DECT phone able to
> > >> blacklist the call in the usual way (bringing all ringing to an
> > >> end) or does the presence of a wired phone stop the blacklist
> > >> function working?
> > >
> > >Well the wired phone will ring as normal if the ringer is turned on.
> > >Why would you expect a DECT phone to be affected by a wired phone? A
> > >blocked number won’t ring on the DECT phone but will ring on the
> > >wired one.
> > >
> > That is exactly what I was wondering. Surely if the DECT phone
> > terminates the call then all the ringing will stop? Will the DECT
> > phone not terminate the call almost instantaneously?
>
> The DECT 'phone will stop the call AS FAR AS IT PERTAINS TO THE DECT
> 'PHONE. It does not stop the signal coming down the line. As David Wade
> says, the actual signal must be interrupted.

However a DECT phone obviously *can* terminate a call (i.e. hang up)
as otherwise a DECT only system wouldn't work.

--
Chris Green
·

On Sat, 16 Dec 2023 09:08:16 +0000, Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

>Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 21:48:50 +0000
>> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > On 15 Dec 2023 19:01:57 GMT, Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> wrote:
>> >
>> > >Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> > >> On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 17:42:56 +0000, David Woolley
>> > >> <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> On 15/12/2023 14:24, Scott wrote:
>> > >>>> When you say 'suppress local ringing' do you prevent the DECT
>> > >>>> phone ringing or prevent all the phones on the line ringing?
>> > >>>> This will determine whether a DECT phone and a wired phone can
>> > >>>> co-exist.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> There is no way of signalling to parallel connected phones not to
>> > >>> ring other than actually answering the call.
>> > >>
>> > >> Good, that's what I assumed. Now, is the DECT phone able to
>> > >> blacklist the call in the usual way (bringing all ringing to an
>> > >> end) or does the presence of a wired phone stop the blacklist
>> > >> function working?
>> > >
>> > >Well the wired phone will ring as normal if the ringer is turned on.
>> > >Why would you expect a DECT phone to be affected by a wired phone? A
>> > >blocked number won’t ring on the DECT phone but will ring on the
>> > >wired one.
>> > >
>> > That is exactly what I was wondering. Surely if the DECT phone
>> > terminates the call then all the ringing will stop? Will the DECT
>> > phone not terminate the call almost instantaneously?
>>
>> The DECT 'phone will stop the call AS FAR AS IT PERTAINS TO THE DECT
>> 'PHONE. It does not stop the signal coming down the line. As David Wade
>> says, the actual signal must be interrupted.
>
>However a DECT phone obviously *can* terminate a call (i.e. hang up)
>as otherwise a DECT only system wouldn't work.

I think the answer is to block my own mobile then see what happens
when I ring the landline. I shall report the results of this
experiment.

On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 14:24:35 +0000, Scott
<newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

>On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 12:44:40 +0000, David Woolley
><david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 14/12/2023 14:51, Scott wrote:
>>> What happens if I 'Copy to blacklist' on my Gigaset phone?
>>
>>I would expect analogue phones, with a black list to suppress or
>>terminate local ringing when they see a blocked number, and let the call
>>ring out. The less likely option is that they accept it for a few
>>seconds then hangup.
>
>When you say 'suppress local ringing' do you prevent the DECT phone
>ringing or prevent all the phones on the line ringing? This will
>determine whether a DECT phone and a wired phone can co-exist.

I have two DECT bases and an analog phone. They are fed from a
splitter on the BT NTE faceplate. One of the splitter ouputs goes to
the call blocker input socket. The analog phone is plugged into tha
call blocker output socket.

Incoming blacklisted numbers are 'connected' and registered on the
analog phone's display and call blocker, but *NONE* of the phones
ring. The call blocker apparently sees the blacklisted call, answers
it and immediately hangs up.

I haven't a clue how this stops the DECT phones ringing, bur it is
exactly what I want.

--
brightside s9

On Sat, 16 Dec 2023 10:11:27 +0000
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

> On Sat, 16 Dec 2023 09:08:16 +0000, Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
>
> >Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 21:48:50 +0000
> >> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On 15 Dec 2023 19:01:57 GMT, Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> >> > >> On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 17:42:56 +0000, David Woolley
> >> > >> <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >>> On 15/12/2023 14:24, Scott wrote:
> >> > >>>> When you say 'suppress local ringing' do you prevent the
> >> > >>>> DECT phone ringing or prevent all the phones on the line
> >> > >>>> ringing? This will determine whether a DECT phone and a
> >> > >>>> wired phone can co-exist.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> There is no way of signalling to parallel connected phones
> >> > >>> not to ring other than actually answering the call.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Good, that's what I assumed. Now, is the DECT phone able to
> >> > >> blacklist the call in the usual way (bringing all ringing to
> >> > >> an end) or does the presence of a wired phone stop the
> >> > >> blacklist function working?
> >> > >
> >> > >Well the wired phone will ring as normal if the ringer is
> >> > >turned on. Why would you expect a DECT phone to be affected by
> >> > >a wired phone? A blocked number won’t ring on the DECT phone
> >> > >but will ring on the wired one.
> >> > >
> >> > That is exactly what I was wondering. Surely if the DECT phone
> >> > terminates the call then all the ringing will stop? Will the DECT
> >> > phone not terminate the call almost instantaneously?
> >>
> >> The DECT 'phone will stop the call AS FAR AS IT PERTAINS TO THE
> >> DECT 'PHONE. It does not stop the signal coming down the line. As
> >> David Wade says, the actual signal must be interrupted.
> >
> >However a DECT phone obviously *can* terminate a call (i.e. hang up)
> >as otherwise a DECT only system wouldn't work.
>
> I think the answer is to block my own mobile then see what happens
> when I ring the landline. I shall report the results of this
> experiment.

I might do similar, having first plugged in the old dial handset.

--
Davey.

On Sat 16/12/2023 11:07, BrightsideS9 wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 14:24:35 +0000, Scott
> <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 12:44:40 +0000, David Woolley
>> <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 14/12/2023 14:51, Scott wrote:
>>>> What happens if I 'Copy to blacklist' on my Gigaset phone?
>>>
>>> I would expect analogue phones, with a black list to suppress or
>>> terminate local ringing when they see a blocked number, and let the call
>>> ring out. The less likely option is that they accept it for a few
>>> seconds then hangup.
>>
>> When you say 'suppress local ringing' do you prevent the DECT phone
>> ringing or prevent all the phones on the line ringing? This will
>> determine whether a DECT phone and a wired phone can co-exist.
>
> I have two DECT bases and an analog phone. They are fed from a
> splitter on the BT NTE faceplate. One of the splitter ouputs goes to
> the call blocker input socket. The analog phone is plugged into tha
> call blocker output socket.
>
> Incoming blacklisted numbers are 'connected' and registered on the
> analog phone's display and call blocker, but *NONE* of the phones
> ring. The call blocker apparently sees the blacklisted call, answers
> it and immediately hangs up.
>
> I haven't a clue how this stops the DECT phones ringing, bur it is
> exactly what I want.
>

Three wire operation?

On Sat, 16 Dec 2023 11:07:09 +0000, BrightsideS9 wrote:

> I have two DECT bases and an analog phone. They are fed from a splitter
> on the BT NTE faceplate. One of the splitter ouputs goes to the call
> blocker input socket. The analog phone is plugged into tha call blocker
> output socket.
>
> Incoming blacklisted numbers are 'connected' and registered on the
> analog phone's display and call blocker, but *NONE* of the phones ring.
> The call blocker apparently sees the blacklisted call, answers it and
> immediately hangs up.
>
> I haven't a clue how this stops the DECT phones ringing, bur it is
> exactly what I want.

That's what I have set my Asterisk box up to do. Blacklisted numbers are
answered, get told 'Blacklisted' and are dumped with nothing having rung.

Greylisted ones (that is, those who I never want to talk to but don't want
to upset) are given sixc 'rings' and then voicemail. Nothing rings at my
end.

Withheld numbers get a menu (an entertaining one). It is possible to get
through but nuisance callers never bother. It only rings at my end if they
select the last menu option.

On 16/12/2023 09:08, Chris Green wrote:
> However a DECT phone obviously*can* terminate a call (i.e. hang up)
> as otherwise a DECT only system wouldn't work.

It can only terminate an answered call, not a ringing call. Terminating
a call requires doing the opposite of answering it.

On Sat, 16 Dec 2023 12:51:18 +0000, David Woolley wrote:

> On 16/12/2023 09:08, Chris Green wrote:
>> However a DECT phone obviously*can* terminate a call (i.e. hang up)
>> as otherwise a DECT only system wouldn't work.
>
> It can only terminate an answered call, not a ringing call. Terminating
> a call requires doing the opposite of answering it.

Although it could suppress the other phones from ringing another way, if
they are connected with the standard BT wiring, by shunting the bell wire
for the duration of the ringing.

(Bell wire = anti bell tinkle wire)

Cheers,
nib

On Sat, 16 Dec 2023 09:08:16 +0000, Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

>Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 21:48:50 +0000
>> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > On 15 Dec 2023 19:01:57 GMT, Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> wrote:
>> >
>> > >Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> > >> On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 17:42:56 +0000, David Woolley
>> > >> <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> On 15/12/2023 14:24, Scott wrote:
>> > >>>> When you say 'suppress local ringing' do you prevent the DECT
>> > >>>> phone ringing or prevent all the phones on the line ringing?
>> > >>>> This will determine whether a DECT phone and a wired phone can
>> > >>>> co-exist.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> There is no way of signalling to parallel connected phones not to
>> > >>> ring other than actually answering the call.
>> > >>
>> > >> Good, that's what I assumed. Now, is the DECT phone able to
>> > >> blacklist the call in the usual way (bringing all ringing to an
>> > >> end) or does the presence of a wired phone stop the blacklist
>> > >> function working?
>> > >
>> > >Well the wired phone will ring as normal if the ringer is turned on.
>> > >Why would you expect a DECT phone to be affected by a wired phone? A
>> > >blocked number won’t ring on the DECT phone but will ring on the
>> > >wired one.
>> > >
>> > That is exactly what I was wondering. Surely if the DECT phone
>> > terminates the call then all the ringing will stop? Will the DECT
>> > phone not terminate the call almost instantaneously?
>>
>> The DECT 'phone will stop the call AS FAR AS IT PERTAINS TO THE DECT
>> 'PHONE. It does not stop the signal coming down the line. As David Wade
>> says, the actual signal must be interrupted.
>
>However a DECT phone obviously *can* terminate a call (i.e. hang up)
>as otherwise a DECT only system wouldn't work.

Our telecomms terminology is getting a bit off here and can be
confusing. A call is 'terminated' when it is answered. If we're
talking about hanging up or tearing down a call we should say so.

On Mon, 18 Dec 2023 09:06:07 +0000
Ken <ken@birchanger.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 16 Dec 2023 09:08:16 +0000, Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
>
> >Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 21:48:50 +0000
> >> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On 15 Dec 2023 19:01:57 GMT, Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> >> > >> On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 17:42:56 +0000, David Woolley
> >> > >> <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >>> On 15/12/2023 14:24, Scott wrote:
> >> > >>>> When you say 'suppress local ringing' do you prevent the
> >> > >>>> DECT phone ringing or prevent all the phones on the line
> >> > >>>> ringing? This will determine whether a DECT phone and a
> >> > >>>> wired phone can co-exist.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> There is no way of signalling to parallel connected phones
> >> > >>> not to ring other than actually answering the call.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Good, that's what I assumed. Now, is the DECT phone able to
> >> > >> blacklist the call in the usual way (bringing all ringing to
> >> > >> an end) or does the presence of a wired phone stop the
> >> > >> blacklist function working?
> >> > >
> >> > >Well the wired phone will ring as normal if the ringer is
> >> > >turned on. Why would you expect a DECT phone to be affected by
> >> > >a wired phone? A blocked number won’t ring on the DECT phone
> >> > >but will ring on the wired one.
> >> > >
> >> > That is exactly what I was wondering. Surely if the DECT phone
> >> > terminates the call then all the ringing will stop? Will the DECT
> >> > phone not terminate the call almost instantaneously?
> >>
> >> The DECT 'phone will stop the call AS FAR AS IT PERTAINS TO THE
> >> DECT 'PHONE. It does not stop the signal coming down the line. As
> >> David Wade says, the actual signal must be interrupted.
> >
> >However a DECT phone obviously *can* terminate a call (i.e. hang up)
> >as otherwise a DECT only system wouldn't work.
>
> Our telecomms terminology is getting a bit off here and can be
> confusing. A call is 'terminated' when it is answered. If we're
> talking about hanging up or tearing down a call we should say so.

Interesting, In general language , the term 'terminated' would mean
that it had ceased to exist, whereas you say that it means that it is
merely moved on to a different stage. No wonder people are confused.
What does 'tearing down a call' mean, and why?

--
Davey.

On Mon, 18 Dec 2023 10:47:57 +0000, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
wrote:

>On Mon, 18 Dec 2023 09:06:07 +0000
>Ken <ken@birchanger.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 16 Dec 2023 09:08:16 +0000, Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 21:48:50 +0000
>> >> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On 15 Dec 2023 19:01:57 GMT, Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> > >Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> > >> On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 17:42:56 +0000, David Woolley
>> >> > >> <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> wrote:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>> On 15/12/2023 14:24, Scott wrote:
>> >> > >>>> When you say 'suppress local ringing' do you prevent the
>> >> > >>>> DECT phone ringing or prevent all the phones on the line
>> >> > >>>> ringing? This will determine whether a DECT phone and a
>> >> > >>>> wired phone can co-exist.
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> There is no way of signalling to parallel connected phones
>> >> > >>> not to ring other than actually answering the call.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Good, that's what I assumed. Now, is the DECT phone able to
>> >> > >> blacklist the call in the usual way (bringing all ringing to
>> >> > >> an end) or does the presence of a wired phone stop the
>> >> > >> blacklist function working?
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Well the wired phone will ring as normal if the ringer is
>> >> > >turned on. Why would you expect a DECT phone to be affected by
>> >> > >a wired phone? A blocked number won’t ring on the DECT phone
>> >> > >but will ring on the wired one.
>> >> > >
>> >> > That is exactly what I was wondering. Surely if the DECT phone
>> >> > terminates the call then all the ringing will stop? Will the DECT
>> >> > phone not terminate the call almost instantaneously?
>> >>
>> >> The DECT 'phone will stop the call AS FAR AS IT PERTAINS TO THE
>> >> DECT 'PHONE. It does not stop the signal coming down the line. As
>> >> David Wade says, the actual signal must be interrupted.
>> >
>> >However a DECT phone obviously *can* terminate a call (i.e. hang up)
>> >as otherwise a DECT only system wouldn't work.
>>
>> Our telecomms terminology is getting a bit off here and can be
>> confusing. A call is 'terminated' when it is answered. If we're
>> talking about hanging up or tearing down a call we should say so.
>
>Interesting, In general language , the term 'terminated' would mean
>that it had ceased to exist, whereas you say that it means that it is
>merely moved on to a different stage. No wonder people are confused.
>What does 'tearing down a call' mean, and why?

Simply ending it. Performing the necessary signalling to ensure that
the call no longer exists.

On Tue, 19 Dec 2023 10:42:26 +0000
Ken <ken@birchanger.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 18 Dec 2023 10:47:57 +0000, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 18 Dec 2023 09:06:07 +0000
> >Ken <ken@birchanger.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 16 Dec 2023 09:08:16 +0000, Chris Green <cl@isbd.net>
> >> wrote:
> >> >Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
> >> >> On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 21:48:50 +0000
> >> >> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > On 15 Dec 2023 19:01:57 GMT, Tim+
> >> >> > <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> wrote:
> >> >> > >Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> >> >> > >> On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 17:42:56 +0000, David Woolley
> >> >> > >> <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> wrote:
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>> On 15/12/2023 14:24, Scott wrote:
> >> >> > >>>> When you say 'suppress local ringing' do you prevent the
> >> >> > >>>> DECT phone ringing or prevent all the phones on the line
> >> >> > >>>> ringing? This will determine whether a DECT phone and a
> >> >> > >>>> wired phone can co-exist.
> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> > >>> There is no way of signalling to parallel connected phones
> >> >> > >>> not to ring other than actually answering the call.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Good, that's what I assumed. Now, is the DECT phone able to
> >> >> > >> blacklist the call in the usual way (bringing all ringing
> >> >> > >> to an end) or does the presence of a wired phone stop the
> >> >> > >> blacklist function working?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >Well the wired phone will ring as normal if the ringer is
> >> >> > >turned on. Why would you expect a DECT phone to be affected
> >> >> > >by a wired phone? A blocked number won’t ring on the DECT
> >> >> > >phone but will ring on the wired one.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > That is exactly what I was wondering. Surely if the DECT phone
> >> >> > terminates the call then all the ringing will stop? Will the
> >> >> > DECT phone not terminate the call almost instantaneously?
> >> >>
> >> >> The DECT 'phone will stop the call AS FAR AS IT PERTAINS TO THE
> >> >> DECT 'PHONE. It does not stop the signal coming down the line.
> >> >> As David Wade says, the actual signal must be interrupted.
> >> >
> >> >However a DECT phone obviously *can* terminate a call (i.e. hang
> >> >up) as otherwise a DECT only system wouldn't work.
> >>
> >> Our telecomms terminology is getting a bit off here and can be
> >> confusing. A call is 'terminated' when it is answered. If we're
> >> talking about hanging up or tearing down a call we should say so.
> >
> >Interesting, In general language , the term 'terminated' would mean
> >that it had ceased to exist, whereas you say that it means that it is
> >merely moved on to a different stage. No wonder people are confused.
> >What does 'tearing down a call' mean, and why?
>
> Simply ending it. Performing the necessary signalling to ensure that
> the call no longer exists.

Ah, what most non-telecomms folks would call 'terminating it'!
Thanks, I think.

--
Davey.

On 19/12/2023 10:42, Ken wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Dec 2023 10:47:57 +0000, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 18 Dec 2023 09:06:07 +0000
>> Ken <ken@birchanger.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 16 Dec 2023 09:08:16 +0000, Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 21:48:50 +0000
>>>>> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15 Dec 2023 19:01:57 GMT, Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 17:42:56 +0000, David Woolley
>>>>>>>> <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 15/12/2023 14:24, Scott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> When you say 'suppress local ringing' do you prevent the
>>>>>>>>>> DECT phone ringing or prevent all the phones on the line
>>>>>>>>>> ringing? This will determine whether a DECT phone and a
>>>>>>>>>> wired phone can co-exist.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is no way of signalling to parallel connected phones
>>>>>>>>> not to ring other than actually answering the call.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good, that's what I assumed. Now, is the DECT phone able to
>>>>>>>> blacklist the call in the usual way (bringing all ringing to
>>>>>>>> an end) or does the presence of a wired phone stop the
>>>>>>>> blacklist function working?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well the wired phone will ring as normal if the ringer is
>>>>>>> turned on. Why would you expect a DECT phone to be affected by
>>>>>>> a wired phone? A blocked number won’t ring on the DECT phone
>>>>>>> but will ring on the wired one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is exactly what I was wondering. Surely if the DECT phone
>>>>>> terminates the call then all the ringing will stop? Will the DECT
>>>>>> phone not terminate the call almost instantaneously?
>>>>>
>>>>> The DECT 'phone will stop the call AS FAR AS IT PERTAINS TO THE
>>>>> DECT 'PHONE. It does not stop the signal coming down the line. As
>>>>> David Wade says, the actual signal must be interrupted.
>>>>
>>>> However a DECT phone obviously *can* terminate a call (i.e. hang up)
>>>> as otherwise a DECT only system wouldn't work.
>>>
>>> Our telecomms terminology is getting a bit off here and can be
>>> confusing. A call is 'terminated' when it is answered. If we're
>>> talking about hanging up or tearing down a call we should say so.
>>
>> Interesting, In general language , the term 'terminated' would mean
>> that it had ceased to exist, whereas you say that it means that it is
>> merely moved on to a different stage. No wonder people are confused.
>> What does 'tearing down a call' mean, and why?
>
> Simply ending it. Performing the necessary signalling to ensure that
> the call no longer exists.

So if the call passes through multiple switching centers each must know
that the call has ended...

.... can be tricky

Dave