Joe Kerr <joe_kerr@cheerful.com> wrote:
> On 25/11/2023 19:31, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>> John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> writes:
>>
>>> On 25/11/2023 12:44, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>>
>>>> But I'm done with it [TA] now. All a load of new characters I
>>>> can't find any empathy for. I'm done with it.
>>>
>>> But not, we hope, with umra.
>>
>> Aw! Well I still pop in and out of here from time to time depending on
>> whether I can be arsed to run a usenet server. I'm having a gnus moment
>> now since I really don't get much useful email these days. I can
>> remember when email seemed really cool, or would be if there were more
>> people I knew had access to it!
>
> Ah yes! When we first got email at work it was a phased implementation
> starting at the top and working its way down. I've no idea who's bright
> idea that was. Before sending anyone an email you had to phone them up
> to see whether they had email.
>>
>> But I'm part of the foundations of umra, and while the number of Umrats
>> particularly foundational ones through departures to fresh pastures,
>> physical and metaphorical, is now greatly diminished I still regard
>> umrats as friends, even though I have had unseemly spats with some of
>> them, and indeed the whole community, in the past. I don't have spats
>> any more, or if I do it's only rarely, as I'm now old, mellow, wheezy
>> and creaky.
>>
> You've set up as a firm of solicitors?
>
>> Rosie
>
>

Three more partners to add to the chambers… Sue, Grabbit & Run.

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

Serena Blanchflower <nospam@blanchflower.me.uk> wrote:

> Very much so. If she really felt she needed to push him off the roof,
> it would have made a far more interesting storyline to have left him in
> a wheelchair. That would have still allowed her pretty well all the
> major drama and family tension that killing him off gave her. She would
> also have had some really interesting lines that they could have explored.
>
‘I would like Mellors to push me around the estate this morning.’

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On 26/11/2023 15:37, krw wrote:
> On 26.11.23 15:11, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>> Very much so.  If she really felt she needed to push him off the roof,
>> it would have made a far more interesting storyline to have left him
>> in a wheelchair.  That would have still allowed her pretty well all
>> the major drama and family tension that killing him off gave her.  She
>> would also have had some really interesting lines that they could have
>> explored.
>>
> Wassiname from Crossroads did that.  These days they would not allow an
> able bodied actor to play the part.

I don't think there would be any problem with an able bodied actor
playing a character who became disabled, having been fully active before
that. It might be different if they brought Mike and Vicky Tucker back
to Ambridge, with an able bodied actor playing Beth, rather than one who
has Down's Syndrome.

--
Best wishes, Serena
A möbius strip walks into a bar, sobbing in emotional distress. The
bartender said, “Tell me what’s going on…”. The möbius strip says,
“Where do I even begin?"

On 26/11/2023 15:37, krw wrote:
> On 26.11.23 15:11, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>> Very much so.  If she really felt she needed to push him off the roof,
>> it would have made a far more interesting storyline to have left him
>> in a wheelchair.  That would have still allowed her pretty well all
>> the major drama and family tension that killing him off gave her.  She
>> would also have had some really interesting lines that they could have
>> explored.
>>
> Wassiname from Crossroads did that.  These days they would not allow an
> able bodied actor to play the part.
>
>>
>>
>> [1]  Even less probable, when you remember that it's only a subset of
>> the Ambridge inhabitants who live within reach of the hidden mics.
>> [2]  The main exception being that Sam Batten was so wooden that he
>> made a very unconvincing love interest for Ruth.
>
> Well I am rarely convinced that Ruth is not also pretty wooden - so if
> they had ever actually got together and there were two sticks rubbing
> together

That's more Ian and Adam's domain.

john

On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 15:11:26 +0000, Serena Blanchflower
<nospam@blanchflower.me.uk> scrawled in the dust...
>On 25/11/2023 13:51, krw wrote:
>> I think there was some good stuff during the Beetle era to be fair - I
>> know that not all would agree with me -
>
>Yes, I agree, at times, my main problem to her was that there was simply
>too much good stuff going on. I remember hearing her being interviewed
>once, IIRC, it was about the storyline about Kathy's rape. She was
>making the point that bad things, such as that, aren't purely factors of
>urban life but that they also happen in apparently idyllic villages like
>Ambridge. I would have to agree with her about this and her comments
>were equally applicable to the other main stories running at the time, I
>think it was Ruth's almost-affaire with Sam Batten, and the Grundy love
>triangle.
>
>Any of these could happen somewhere like Ambridge and, in the most
>part[2], were well done. My problem was that it was highly improbable
>that all three crises would happen in one small village[1], all at the
>same time!

Hm, I'm not so sure, I remember a brief period within my own extended
family when there was so much scandalous behaviour going on (not within my
own household) that I remarked, this would never be accepted as a plot on a
TV soap.
Nobody was killed, but the death of the matriarch before it all kicked off
was a blessing, and the death of her younger son about a year later may
have been a side effect of the rest.

>> and even I believe that deadding
>> of Nigel was a step too far.
>
>
>Very much so. If she really felt she needed to push him off the roof,
>it would have made a far more interesting storyline to have left him in
>a wheelchair. That would have still allowed her pretty well all the
>major drama and family tension that killing him off gave her. She would
>also have had some really interesting lines that they could have explored.

That would have been a great idea!

Serena for editor!
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 26/11/2023 15:37, krw wrote:
>> On 26.11.23 15:11, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>>> Very much so.  If she really felt she needed to push him off the roof,
>>> it would have made a far more interesting storyline to have left him
>>> in a wheelchair.  That would have still allowed her pretty well all
>>> the major drama and family tension that killing him off gave her.  She
>>> would also have had some really interesting lines that they could have
>>> explored.
>>>
>> Wassiname from Crossroads did that.  These days they would not allow an
>> able bodied actor to play the part.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [1]  Even less probable, when you remember that it's only a subset of
>>> the Ambridge inhabitants who live within reach of the hidden mics.
>>> [2]  The main exception being that Sam Batten was so wooden that he
>>> made a very unconvincing love interest for Ruth.
>>
>> Well I am rarely convinced that Ruth is not also pretty wooden - so if
>> they had ever actually got together and there were two sticks rubbing
>> together
>
> That's more Ian and Adam's domain.
>
> john
>
>

No, can’t get the ‘Staff’. 😉

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes:

> Serena Blanchflower <nospam@blanchflower.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> Very much so. If she really felt she needed to push him off the roof,
>> it would have made a far more interesting storyline to have left him in
>> a wheelchair. That would have still allowed her pretty well all the
>> major drama and family tension that killing him off gave her. She would
>> also have had some really interesting lines that they could have explored.
>>
> ‘I would like Mellors to push me around the estate this morning.’

BTN!

Rosie

In message <ujvpl8$3akcb$1@dont-email.me> at Sun, 26 Nov 2023 15:53:12,
Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>Joe Kerr <joe_kerr@cheerful.com> wrote:
>> On 25/11/2023 19:31, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
[]
>>> any more, or if I do it's only rarely, as I'm now old, mellow, wheezy
>>> and creaky.
>>>
>> You've set up as a firm of solicitors?
>>
>>> Rosie
>>
>>
>
>Three more partners to add to the chambers… Sue, Grabbit & Run.
>
My mother used to assure me that there was a firm in Nottingham called
Skinner and Rook.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

A waist is a terrible thing to mind.

In message <ujvuvu$3bfdh$1@dont-email.me> at Sun, 26 Nov 2023 17:24:14,
Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 26/11/2023 15:37, krw wrote:
[]
>>> Well I am rarely convinced that Ruth is not also pretty wooden - so if
>>> they had ever actually got together and there were two sticks rubbing
>>> together
>>
>> That's more Ian and Adam's domain.

Not sure if just MV, but BTN to be on the safe side!
>>
>> john
>>
>>
>
>No, can’t get the ‘Staff’. ?
>
How old are they, not being able to ... oh, stAff.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

A waist is a terrible thing to mind.

On 26-Nov-23 17:47, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In message <ujvpl8$3akcb$1@dont-email.me> at Sun, 26 Nov 2023 15:53:12,
> Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>> Joe Kerr <joe_kerr@cheerful.com> wrote:
>>> On 25/11/2023 19:31, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
> []
>>>> any more, or if I do it's only rarely, as I'm now old, mellow, wheezy
>>>> and creaky.
>>>>
>>> You've set up as a firm of solicitors?
>>>
>>>> Rosie
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Three more partners to add to the chambers… Sue, Grabbit & Run.
>>
> My mother used to assure me that there was a firm in Nottingham called
> Skinner and Rook.

Estate Agents can play this game.

https://www.crookandblight.com

--
Sam Plusnet

On 26-Nov-23 15:57, Mike McMillan wrote:
> Serena Blanchflower <nospam@blanchflower.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> Very much so. If she really felt she needed to push him off the roof,
>> it would have made a far more interesting storyline to have left him in
>> a wheelchair. That would have still allowed her pretty well all the
>> major drama and family tension that killing him off gave her. She would
>> also have had some really interesting lines that they could have explored.
>>
> ‘I would like Mellors to push me around the estate this morning.’

Nah! TA doesn't do Mellors drama.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 25/11/2023 06:40, Penny wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 15:11:26 +0000, Serena Blanchflower
> <nospam@blanchflower.me.uk> scrawled in the dust...
>> On 25/11/2023 13:51, krw wrote:
>>> I think there was some good stuff during the Beetle era to be fair - I
>>> know that not all would agree with me -
>>
>> Yes, I agree, at times, my main problem to her was that there was simply
>> too much good stuff going on. I remember hearing her being interviewed
>> once, IIRC, it was about the storyline about Kathy's rape. She was
>> making the point that bad things, such as that, aren't purely factors of
>> urban life but that they also happen in apparently idyllic villages like
>> Ambridge. I would have to agree with her about this and her comments
>> were equally applicable to the other main stories running at the time, I
>> think it was Ruth's almost-affaire with Sam Batten, and the Grundy love
>> triangle.
>>
>> Any of these could happen somewhere like Ambridge and, in the most
>> part[2], were well done. My problem was that it was highly improbable
>> that all three crises would happen in one small village[1], all at the
>> same time!
>
> Hm, I'm not so sure, I remember a brief period within my own extended
> family when there was so much scandalous behaviour going on (not within my
> own household) that I remarked, this would never be accepted as a plot on a
> TV soap.
> Nobody was killed, but the death of the matriarch before it all kicked off
> was a blessing, and the death of her younger son about a year later may
> have been a side effect of the rest.

That must have been pretty grim for the non-scandalous parts of the
family, at least. Aside from the probability of so many crises
happening at once, it was the relentlessness of it all that I disliked.
It really didn't leave any space for the normal, humdrum farming /
family stuff that TA has traditionally done.

VW was capable of keeping three major themes running in parallel though.
For me, the biggest problem with TA through they time of Helen and
Rob, was that the editor of the day[1] couldn't manage that. The main
story, relating to Rob's coercive control was, on the whole, done pretty
well, IMO, but the rest of the village was allowed to go to rack and
ruin. I remember there were countless disconnects, when stories were
forgotten or were just badly constructed.

>
>>> and even I believe that deadding
>>> of Nigel was a step too far.
>>
>>
>> Very much so. If she really felt she needed to push him off the roof,
>> it would have made a far more interesting storyline to have left him in
>> a wheelchair. That would have still allowed her pretty well all the
>> major drama and family tension that killing him off gave her. She would
>> also have had some really interesting lines that they could have explored.
>
> That would have been a great idea!
>
> Serena for editor!

<bows> Why, thank you!

[1] I forget who it was at the time.

--
Best wishes, Serena
CHICKENS: The only animals you eat before they are born and after they
are dead.

On 26/11/2023 17:49, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In message <ujvuvu$3bfdh$1@dont-email.me> at Sun, 26 Nov 2023 17:24:14,
> Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>> John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On 26/11/2023 15:37, krw wrote:
> []
>>>> Well I am rarely convinced that Ruth is not also pretty wooden - so if
>>>> they had ever actually got together and there were two sticks rubbing
>>>> together
>>>
>>> That's more Ian and Adam's domain.
>
> Not sure if just MV, but BTN to be on the safe side!
>>>
>>> john
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No, can’t get the ‘Staff’. ?
>>
> How old are they, not being able to ... oh, stAff.

Definitely MV, and the same rules apply.

john

On 26/11/2023 17:32, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
> Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes:
>
>> Serena Blanchflower <nospam@blanchflower.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Very much so. If she really felt she needed to push him off the roof,
>>> it would have made a far more interesting storyline to have left him in
>>> a wheelchair. That would have still allowed her pretty well all the
>>> major drama and family tension that killing him off gave her. She would
>>> also have had some really interesting lines that they could have explored.
>>>
>> ‘I would like Mellors to push me around the estate this morning.’
>
> BTN!
>
> Rosie

Accepted.

There is a pleasing rush of Bad Taste in the run-up to the closing of
the year.

john

On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 16:05:59 +0000, Serena Blanchflower
<nospam@blanchflower.me.uk> wrote:

>On 26/11/2023 15:37, krw wrote:
>> On 26.11.23 15:11, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>>> Very much so.  If she really felt she needed to push him off the roof,
>>> it would have made a far more interesting storyline to have left him
>>> in a wheelchair.  That would have still allowed her pretty well all
>>> the major drama and family tension that killing him off gave her.  She
>>> would also have had some really interesting lines that they could have
>>> explored.
>>>
>> Wassiname from Crossroads did that.  These days they would not allow an
>> able bodied actor to play the part.
>
>I don't think there would be any problem with an able bodied actor
>playing a character who became disabled, having been fully active before
>that. It might be different if they brought Mike and Vicky Tucker back
>to Ambridge, with an able bodied actor playing Beth, rather than one who
>has Down's Syndrome.

What about a disabled actor playing the part of an able-bodied person?
There's a perfect example within The Archers in Ryan Kelly but I'd
take it further than that: why shouldn't a wheelchair using actor play
Macbeth on stage or a person of short stature play Richard III?

I think nearly everybody thought that Tracy-Ann Oberman gave a
stunning performance as Shylock and surely that's because she is such
a superb actor that she makes the audience believe that she is Shylock
regardless of her physical presence before them. Really good actors
give performances that will convince regardless of boundaries.

I have my own theory wot is mine about why there is a perceived
reluctance to cast or be cast in a part that is contrary to the
physical attributes of the actor and that is because I'm afraid that
although there are a few spectacularly wonderful actors around, there
are an awful lot who are not. So, should casting always play safe and
stick to type or should directors and audiences expect mediocre
performers to up their game?

I'd make a comparison with musicians. Sure, there are plenty of
jobbing musicians who play well enough for weddings, socials and
corporate events but there are also brilliant, talented, hard-working,
high flying musicians who can stop us in our tracks with their
performances. So given that we have such excellence around, should
every musical performance be brought down to the level of a Portsmouth
Sinfonia or a Tuneless Choir because it's asking too much of
performers to actually be good? Shouldn't actors be expected to rise
to the challenge of parts that are difficult to play rather than
playing a version of themselves every time?

Good old Ryan Kelly. I think he's broken the mold so successfully that
audiences don't even recall that there was a mold to be broken. More
actors like this, please.

Nick

On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 21:27:30 +0000, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca>
wrote:

>On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 16:05:59 +0000, Serena Blanchflower
><nospam@blanchflower.me.uk> wrote:
>
>>On 26/11/2023 15:37, krw wrote:
>>> On 26.11.23 15:11, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>>>> Very much so.  If she really felt she needed to push him off the roof,
>>>> it would have made a far more interesting storyline to have left him
>>>> in a wheelchair.  That would have still allowed her pretty well all
>>>> the major drama and family tension that killing him off gave her.  She
>>>> would also have had some really interesting lines that they could have
>>>> explored.
>>>>
>>> Wassiname from Crossroads did that.  These days they would not allow an
>>> able bodied actor to play the part.
>>
>>I don't think there would be any problem with an able bodied actor
>>playing a character who became disabled, having been fully active before
>>that. It might be different if they brought Mike and Vicky Tucker back
>>to Ambridge, with an able bodied actor playing Beth, rather than one who
>>has Down's Syndrome.
>
>What about a disabled actor playing the part of an able-bodied person?
>There's a perfect example within The Archers in Ryan Kelly but I'd
>take it further than that: why shouldn't a wheelchair using actor play
>Macbeth on stage or a person of short stature play Richard III?

Liz Carr played Mother Courage in a Brecht play years ago, think at N
London uni and she was the forensic technician for some years in
Silent Witness, arguing her way with management into more mainstream
stories. She's in Wheelchair. Was in Good Omens too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liz_Carr#:~:text=In%202019%2C%20Carr%20starred%20in,in%20the%20show's%20second%20season.
And other things.

kf I've known her for years. First saw her live in Nasty Girls, a
satire group of disabled women. Best skit was the one about casting
Snow White. Person of reduced stature auditions and they tell her
which darves are not cast yet and she says she's there to try for Snow
White.

>
>I think nearly everybody thought that Tracy-Ann Oberman gave a
>stunning performance as Shylock and surely that's because she is such
>a superb actor that she makes the audience believe that she is Shylock
>regardless of her physical presence before them. Really good actors
>give performances that will convince regardless of boundaries.
>
>I have my own theory wot is mine about why there is a perceived
>reluctance to cast or be cast in a part that is contrary to the
>physical attributes of the actor and that is because I'm afraid that
>although there are a few spectacularly wonderful actors around, there
>are an awful lot who are not. So, should casting always play safe and
>stick to type or should directors and audiences expect mediocre
>performers to up their game?
>
>I'd make a comparison with musicians. Sure, there are plenty of
>jobbing musicians who play well enough for weddings, socials and
>corporate events but there are also brilliant, talented, hard-working,
>high flying musicians who can stop us in our tracks with their
>performances. So given that we have such excellence around, should
>every musical performance be brought down to the level of a Portsmouth
>Sinfonia or a Tuneless Choir because it's asking too much of
>performers to actually be good? Shouldn't actors be expected to rise
>to the challenge of parts that are difficult to play rather than
>playing a version of themselves every time?
>
>Good old Ryan Kelly. I think he's broken the mold so successfully that
>audiences don't even recall that there was a mold to be broken. More
>actors like this, please.
>
>Nick

On Saturday, 25 November 2023 at 21:58:03 UTC, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
> "J. P. Gilliver" <G6...@255soft.uk> writes:
>
> > Me too - I finally gave in and bought (yesterday) one of those
> > compartmented pillboxes, rather than having to try to remember whether
> > I'd taken the various pills at times of day. (I think I _was_
> > remembering, but it's easier.) 99p from Home Bargains, by the way - as
> > opposed to over sick squid from Tesco; sure, the Tesco one was
> > probably better quality, but over sick squid for basically 14 small
> > plastic boxes rankled.
> I'm one up on you. I have a box with seven boxlets each with three
> compartments so I can do am, pm and bedtime pills.

I once had one with the initials of the days of the week in Portuguese: DSTQQSS.

A good English-language one had lost one of its flaps while I was in Ponta Delgada and I replaced it there. The Portuguese lettering wore off very soon.

In message <uk09dk$3d5uh$2@dont-email.me> at Sun, 26 Nov 2023 20:22:12,
John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> writes
[]
>There is a pleasing rush of Bad Taste in the run-up to the closing of
>the year.
>
>john

It's like the dying of the light.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"... four Oscars, and two further nominations ... On these criteria, he's
Britain's most successful film director." Powell or Pressburger? no; Richard
Attenborough? no; Nick Park!

In message <sof7mihorlhj2dk6h6p1rkq9krktb2ce0o@4ax.com> at Sun, 26 Nov
2023 22:05:32, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> writes
[]
>kf I've known her for years. First saw her live in Nasty Girls, a
>satire group of disabled women. Best skit was the one about casting
>Snow White. Person of reduced stature auditions and they tell her
>which darves are not cast yet and she says she's there to try for Snow
>White.

Could you have a male Snow White? Discuss (-:.
[]
>>Good old Ryan Kelly. I think he's broken the mold so successfully that
>>audiences don't even recall that there was a mold to be broken. More
>>actors like this, please.

Indeed. (Though the radio medium does help, as similarly being on an IT
helpdesk helped my friend.)
>>
>>Nick
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"... four Oscars, and two further nominations ... On these criteria, he's
Britain's most successful film director." Powell or Pressburger? no; Richard
Attenborough? no; Nick Park!

On 26/11/2023 18:40, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 26-Nov-23 15:57, Mike McMillan wrote:
>> Serena Blanchflower <nospam@blanchflower.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Very much so.  If she really felt she needed to push him off the roof,
>>> it would have made a far more interesting storyline to have left him in
>>> a wheelchair.  That would have still allowed her pretty well all the
>>> major drama and family tension that killing him off gave her.  She would
>>> also have had some really interesting lines that they could have
>>> explored.
>>>
>> ‘I would like Mellors to push me around the estate this morning.’
>
> Nah!  TA doesn't do Mellors drama.
>
And Lady Chatterley never liked the wheelbarrow position.

On 26/11/2023 17:47, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In message <ujvpl8$3akcb$1@dont-email.me> at Sun, 26 Nov 2023 15:53:12,
> Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>> Joe Kerr <joe_kerr@cheerful.com> wrote:
>>> On 25/11/2023 19:31, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
> []
>>>> any more, or if I do it's only rarely, as I'm now old, mellow, wheezy
>>>> and creaky.
>>>>
>>> You've set up as a firm of solicitors?
>>>
>>>> Rosie
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Three more partners to add to the chambers… Sue, Grabbit & Run.
>>
> My mother used to assure me that there was a firm in Nottingham called
> Skinner and Rook.

There was once a legal firm in Stirling called Welsh and Robb.

Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
> On 26-Nov-23 15:57, Mike McMillan wrote:
>> Serena Blanchflower <nospam@blanchflower.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Very much so. If she really felt she needed to push him off the roof,
>>> it would have made a far more interesting storyline to have left him in
>>> a wheelchair. That would have still allowed her pretty well all the
>>> major drama and family tension that killing him off gave her. She would
>>> also have had some really interesting lines that they could have explored.
>>>
>> ‘I would like Mellors to push me around the estate this morning.’
>
> Nah! TA doesn't do Mellors drama.
>

Big Groan.

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On 26.11.23 19:52, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
> [1]  I forget who it was at the time.

Sean O'Connor.

He had already told the story of coercive control on Enders and as with
the kidnap of Ian many years ago it crowded out all of the stories and
various characters were sacrificed - and long term plans were dumped.

Kirsty had to go - so her marriage to Tom never happened. Tom was sent
away to get a new voice. Darryl had a miraculous recovery. The Tuckers
were tucked off out of sight and so on.

Having destroyed some long term plans there was no real thought about
the longer term and in consequence we now have a dearth of young archers
so the current team have to over use the rude mechanicals in the village.

And decent stories for existing Archers were non-existent - Brookfield
should be at the heart of it - and yet when did we hear Pip do anything?

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

On 26.11.23 21:27, Nick Odell wrote:
> Shouldn't actors be expected to rise
> to the challenge of parts that are difficult to play rather than
> playing a version of themselves every time?

Yes.

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On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 10:00:52 +0000, krw <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:

>On 26.11.23 19:52, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>> [1]  I forget who it was at the time.
>
>Sean O'Connor.
>
>He had already told the story of coercive control on Enders and as with
>the kidnap of Ian many years ago it crowded out all of the stories and
>various characters were sacrificed - and long term plans were dumped.
>
>Kirsty had to go - so her marriage to Tom never happened. Tom was sent
>away to get a new voice. Darryl had a miraculous recovery. The Tuckers
>were tucked off out of sight and so on.
>
>Having destroyed some long term plans there was no real thought about
>the longer term and in consequence we now have a dearth of young archers
>so the current team have to over use the rude mechanicals in the village.
>
>And decent stories for existing Archers were non-existent - Brookfield
>should be at the heart of it - and yet when did we hear Pip do anything?

Yes all that and I don't want so much of Pip wondering about sharing a
house with Stella, or telling the world she loves her. I want more
about herbal leys and lambing and crops and cows.

What did they evict Rex and his pigs for? I've forgotten. Is there
space for Ed's sheep? How are Rex and Kirsty doing?