Happy Hogmanay, MOPMOBs. Try not to overdoe the whisky and especially
not the clootie dumpling. I got into a mess with that on my first
Scottish Hogmanay, in 1988/89. Gosh, that was half my lifetime ago, near
as dammit!

As I approach my 70th turnover of the year, I find it that little bit
more mundane every time. Pah! Another one!

And no falling off any roofs (interpret that how you wish). I'm advised
that the modish expression for the moment any serial in any medium
turned silly is "jumping the shark". I suggest the umratic equivalent
should be "falling off the roof". Just don't. ok!

May the year of 2024 bring you what you wish for.

Rosie

On 31/12/2023 17:38, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
> May the year of 2024 bring you what you wish for.

Wot she said!
--
Jenny M Benson

On Sun, 31 Dec 2023 17:38:16 +0000, Rosie Mitchell
<rcmitchell@golgonooza.co.uk> wrote:

>Happy Hogmanay, MOPMOBs. Try not to overdoe the whisky and especially
>not the clootie dumpling. I got into a mess with that on my first

I've lost capacity. I poured what I thought was a reasonable glass of
sherry to have with a few crisps and nuts before supper and part way
through just didn't want more and got a funnel and poured the rest
back into the bottle. B doesn't drink at all. For 26 years now, so is
ok to pour back.

I've got one of those mini bottles to have with supper. Which is
Sainsburys slow-cooked lamb legs, dauphinoise potaoes, red cabbage.
Their special ready meals are very good.previous years they did 3 or 4
lamb leg meals, this year just 1, but a whole aisle slow cooked
meals, various meats. I suppose that can be cheaper cuts if cooked
longer.

>Scottish Hogmanay, in 1988/89. Gosh, that was half my lifetime ago, near
>as dammit!
>
>As I approach my 70th turnover of the year, I find it that little bit
>more mundane every time. Pah! Another one!
>
>And no falling off any roofs (interpret that how you wish). I'm advised
>that the modish expression for the moment any serial in any medium
>turned silly is "jumping the shark". I suggest the umratic equivalent
>should be "falling off the roof". Just don't. ok!
>
>May the year of 2024 bring you what you wish for.
>
>
>Rosie
>

Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 31/12/2023 17:38, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>> May the year of 2024 bring you what you wish for.
>
> Wot she said!

Keep the noise down will you please; we are off to bed at 22:00 as usual
and would like to get to sleep - next year will still come into being
whether we are awake or sleeping. No champers required here either, we are
TT.
Bah Humbug!

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On 31-Dec-23 17:38, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
> Happy Hogmanay, MOPMOBs. Try not to overdoe the whisky and especially
> not the clootie dumpling. I got into a mess with that on my first
> Scottish Hogmanay, in 1988/89. Gosh, that was half my lifetime ago, near
> as dammit!
>
> As I approach my 70th turnover of the year, I find it that little bit
> more mundane every time. Pah! Another one!

I confess to thinking "New Year? Do we have to?" - but being
curmudgeonly is what I do best.
>
> And no falling off any roofs (interpret that how you wish). I'm advised
> that the modish expression for the moment any serial in any medium
> turned silly is "jumping the shark". I suggest the umratic equivalent
> should be "falling off the roof". Just don't. ok!
>
> May the year of 2024 bring you what you wish for.

Echoed - or seconded!

--
Sam Plusnet

Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes:

> Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 31/12/2023 17:38, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>> May the year of 2024 bring you what you wish for.
>>
>> Wot she said!
>
> Keep the noise down will you please; we are off to bed at 22:00 as usual
> and would like to get to sleep - next year will still come into being
> whether we are awake or sleeping. No champers required here either, we are
> TT.
> Bah Humbug!

The only reason I ever stay up until midnight at Hogmanay these days is
because I know I'll get woken by fireworks, so I may as well do
something useful.

Rosie

On 31/12/2023 17:38, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
> Happy Hogmanay, MOPMOBs. Try not to overdoe the whisky and especially
> not the clootie dumpling. I got into a mess with that on my first
> Scottish Hogmanay, in 1988/89. Gosh, that was half my lifetime ago, near
> as dammit!
>
> As I approach my 70th turnover of the year, I find it that little bit
> more mundane every time. Pah! Another one!
>
> And no falling off any roofs (interpret that how you wish). I'm advised
> that the modish expression for the moment any serial in any medium
> turned silly is "jumping the shark". I suggest the umratic equivalent
> should be "falling off the roof". Just don't. ok!
>
> May the year of 2024 bring you what you wish for.
>
But be careful what you wish for.

john

In message <umshko$1r369$1@dont-email.me> at Sun, 31 Dec 2023 20:06:47,
John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> writes
>On 31/12/2023 17:38, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
[]
>> May the year of 2024 bring you what you wish for.

Indeed.
>>
>But be careful what you wish for.
>
>john
>
Yes, as those who wished for a change from the Beetle.

(Unless the wheels of justice move even slower than they have been, I
have something fairly unambiguous to hope for.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Actors are fairly modest...A lot of us have quite a lot to be modest about. -
Simon Greenall (voice of Aleksandr the "Simples!" Meerkat), RT 11-17 Dec 2010

On Sun, 31 Dec 2023 17:54:29 +0000, Jenny M Benson
<NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>On 31/12/2023 17:38, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>> May the year of 2024 bring you what you wish for.
>
>Wot she said!
This year and previous years I've seen and heard people talk of the
Spanish custom of 12 grapes to eat as NY chimes 12. I also saw a
custom of putting a gold coin in your champagne glass to bring luck. I
do have a very small, thin, gold coin and got it out, but realised I
would go to sleep before 12 so put it back in my jewel box.

I do seem to wake daily now around 0030-1.30, can't sleep and come
down to do the puzzles on my PC that click over to new at midnight.

Wishing you all a peaceful, healthy 2024.

In message <qmn3piduatjdunsnn7qlsr42875lj66jgd@4ax.com> at Sun, 31 Dec
2023 21:41:00, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> writes
>On Sun, 31 Dec 2023 17:54:29 +0000, Jenny M Benson
><NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>On 31/12/2023 17:38, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>> May the year of 2024 bring you what you wish for.
>>
>>Wot she said!
>This year and previous years I've seen and heard people talk of the
>Spanish custom of 12 grapes to eat as NY chimes 12. I also saw a

I've not heard of that one - do you pop in one grape as each chime
strikes? I think that'd be a bit fast for me to enjoy them fully.

>custom of putting a gold coin in your champagne glass to bring luck. I

Are you allowed to retrieve it afterwards?
[]
>I do seem to wake daily now around 0030-1.30, can't sleep and come
>down to do the puzzles on my PC that click over to new at midnight.

I do wordle and nmbr14; if you're on Twitter (X now), I'm @G6JPG_ on
there (note the "_"), and there's a group of about three or four of us
who do at least those, and would certainly welcome a new joiner.
>
>Wishing you all a peaceful, healthy 2024.
>
Likewise.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Being punctual makes people think you have nothing to do.

On Sun, 31 Dec 2023 19:11:19 +0000, Rosie Mitchell
<rcmitchell@golgonooza.co.uk> scrawled in the dust...

>Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes:
>
>> Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 31/12/2023 17:38, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>>> May the year of 2024 bring you what you wish for.
>>>
>>> Wot she said!
>>
>> Keep the noise down will you please; we are off to bed at 22:00 as usual
>> and would like to get to sleep - next year will still come into being
>> whether we are awake or sleeping. No champers required here either, we are
>> TT.
>> Bah Humbug!
>
>The only reason I ever stay up until midnight at Hogmanay these days is
>because I know I'll get woken by fireworks, so I may as well do
>something useful.
>
>Rosie

I went to bed around 11:30 and dozed off.
The first fireworks woke me so I went and watched them from the widow,
which has a good view of most of the valley. Very pretty when viewed
without specs. They lasted about 5 minutes, then back to bed and sleep...
until 00:20 when they started up again, louder and for longer than before.

Sleep had nuggered off so I Wordled and Connected around 1:00 before
dropping off again.

Humbug at may continue for a while
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Dec 2023 17:54:29 +0000, Jenny M Benson
> <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 31/12/2023 17:38, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>> May the year of 2024 bring you what you wish for.
>>
>> Wot she said!
> This year and previous years I've seen and heard people talk of the
> Spanish custom of 12 grapes to eat as NY chimes 12. I also saw a
> custom of putting a gold coin in your champagne glass to bring luck. I
> do have a very small, thin, gold coin and got it out, but realised I
> would go to sleep before 12 so put it back in my jewel box.
>
> I do seem to wake daily now around 0030-1.30, can't sleep and come
> down to do the puzzles on my PC that click over to new at midnight.
>
> Wishing you all a peaceful, healthy 2024.
>
>

Yes, the late non netted umrat, Roger, and his Spanish wife did the grapes
thing with us one year. It was rather involved to our ears.

Mrs McT

J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
> In message <qmn3piduatjdunsnn7qlsr42875lj66jgd@4ax.com> at Sun, 31 Dec
> 2023 21:41:00, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> writes
>> On Sun, 31 Dec 2023 17:54:29 +0000, Jenny M Benson
>> <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 31/12/2023 17:38, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>>> May the year of 2024 bring you what you wish for.
>>>
>>> Wot she said!
>> This year and previous years I've seen and heard people talk of the
>> Spanish custom of 12 grapes to eat as NY chimes 12. I also saw a
>
> I've not heard of that one - do you pop in one grape as each chime
> strikes? I think that'd be a bit fast for me to enjoy them fully.
>
Yes. And they were big reasonably sized grapes too. Perhaps it works
better if you’re the worse for wear?

Mrs McT

In message <3ti5pilmquo6imh0i441sj9c4jgc7lev60@4ax.com> at Mon, 1 Jan
2024 14:34:44, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> writes
[]
>The first fireworks woke me so I went and watched them from the widow,
>which has a good view of most of the valley. Very pretty when viewed
>without specs. They lasted about 5 minutes, then back to bed and sleep...
[]
Your pretty widow when viewed without specs reminds me of a line from
Trial by Jury:

"She may very well pass for forty three
in the dusk, with the light behind her."

(When that was written, 43 was presumably a lot older than it is now.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

The first banjo solo I played was actually just a series of mistakes. In fact
it was all the mistakes I knew at the time. - Tim Dowling, RT2015/6/20-26

On 01/01/2024 16:54, Chris wrote:
> Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 31 Dec 2023 17:54:29 +0000, Jenny M Benson
>> <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 31/12/2023 17:38, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>>> May the year of 2024 bring you what you wish for.
>>>
>>> Wot she said!
>> This year and previous years I've seen and heard people talk of the
>> Spanish custom of 12 grapes to eat as NY chimes 12. I also saw a
>> custom of putting a gold coin in your champagne glass to bring luck. I
>> do have a very small, thin, gold coin and got it out, but realised I
>> would go to sleep before 12 so put it back in my jewel box.
>>
>> I do seem to wake daily now around 0030-1.30, can't sleep and come
>> down to do the puzzles on my PC that click over to new at midnight.
>>
>> Wishing you all a peaceful, healthy 2024.
>>
>>
>
> Yes, the late non netted umrat, Roger, and his Spanish wife did the grapes
> thing with us one year. It was rather involved to our ears.
>
Wrong 'ole.

"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes:

> In message <3ti5pilmquo6imh0i441sj9c4jgc7lev60@4ax.com> at Mon, 1 Jan
> 2024 14:34:44, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> writes
> []
>>The first fireworks woke me so I went and watched them from the widow,
>>which has a good view of most of the valley. Very pretty when viewed
>>without specs. They lasted about 5 minutes, then back to bed and sleep...
> []
> Your pretty widow when viewed without specs reminds me of a line from
> Trial by Jury:
>
> "She may very well pass for forty three
> in the dusk, with the light behind her."
>
> (When that was written, 43 was presumably a lot older than it is now.)

And that in turn reminds me of a line from Raymond Chandler's The High
Window:

"From thirty feet away she looked like a lot of class. From ten feet
away she looked like something made up to be seen from thirty feet away"

Rosie

On Mon, 01 Jan 2024 14:34:44 +0000, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 31 Dec 2023 19:11:19 +0000, Rosie Mitchell
><rcmitchell@golgonooza.co.uk> scrawled in the dust...
>
>>Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes:
>>
>>> Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 31/12/2023 17:38, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>>>> May the year of 2024 bring you what you wish for.
>>>>
>>>> Wot she said!
>>>
>>> Keep the noise down will you please; we are off to bed at 22:00 as usual
>>> and would like to get to sleep - next year will still come into being
>>> whether we are awake or sleeping. No champers required here either, we are
>>> TT.
>>> Bah Humbug!
>>
>>The only reason I ever stay up until midnight at Hogmanay these days is
>>because I know I'll get woken by fireworks, so I may as well do
>>something useful.
>>
>>Rosie
>
>I went to bed around 11:30 and dozed off.
>The first fireworks woke me so I went and watched them from the widow,
>which has a good view of most of the valley. Very pretty when viewed
>without specs. They lasted about 5 minutes, then back to bed and sleep...
>until 00:20 when they started up again, louder and for longer than before.
>
>Sleep had nuggered off so I Wordled and Connected around 1:00 before
>dropping off again.
>
>Humbug at may continue for a while

I got up in the night most nights in the last weeks, either broken arm
hurt or just not sleeping, but last night woke around 0030 and was too
tired to go down and wordle or connect. The fireworks were loud from
around 11-2 whenever I woke. I think 2 is too late.

Rosie Mitchell <rcmitchell@golgonooza.co.uk> wrote:

>
> And that in turn reminds me of a line from Raymond Chandler's The High
> Window:
>
> "From thirty feet away she looked like a lot of class. From ten feet
> away she looked like something made up to be seen from thirty feet away"

Chandler also came up with this in The Little Sister:

The star was a bad-tempered brunette with contemptuous eyes and a couple of
bad close-ups that showed her pushing forty-five backwards almost hard
enough to break a wrist.

J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
> In message <3ti5pilmquo6imh0i441sj9c4jgc7lev60@4ax.com> at Mon, 1 Jan
> 2024 14:34:44, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> writes
> []
>> The first fireworks woke me so I went and watched them from the widow,
>> which has a good view of most of the valley. Very pretty when viewed
>> without specs. They lasted about 5 minutes, then back to bed and sleep...
> []
> Your pretty widow when viewed without specs reminds me of a line from
> Trial by Jury:
>
> "She may very well pass for forty three
> in the dusk, with the light behind her."
>
> (When that was written, 43 was presumably a lot older than it is now.)

Hoffnung had French widows in all guest rooms.

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On 02/01/2024 08:45, Mike McMillan wrote:
> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>> In message <3ti5pilmquo6imh0i441sj9c4jgc7lev60@4ax.com> at Mon, 1 Jan
>> 2024 14:34:44, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> writes
>> []
>>> The first fireworks woke me so I went and watched them from the widow,
>>> which has a good view of most of the valley. Very pretty when viewed
>>> without specs. They lasted about 5 minutes, then back to bed and sleep...
>> []
>> Your pretty widow when viewed without specs reminds me of a line from
>> Trial by Jury:
>>
>> "She may very well pass for forty three
>> in the dusk, with the light behind her."
>>
>> (When that was written, 43 was presumably a lot older than it is now.)
>
> Hoffnung had French widows in all guest rooms.
>

One can only hope.

john

On 02/01/2024 08:45, Mike McMillan wrote:
> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>> In message <3ti5pilmquo6imh0i441sj9c4jgc7lev60@4ax.com> at Mon, 1 Jan
>> 2024 14:34:44, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> writes
>> []
>>> The first fireworks woke me so I went and watched them from the widow,
>>> which has a good view of most of the valley. Very pretty when viewed
>>> without specs. They lasted about 5 minutes, then back to bed and sleep...
>> []
>> Your pretty widow when viewed without specs reminds me of a line from
>> Trial by Jury:
>>
>> "She may very well pass for forty three
>> in the dusk, with the light behind her."
>>
>> (When that was written, 43 was presumably a lot older than it is now.)
>
> Hoffnung had French widows in all guest rooms.
>
He did indeed. Affording delightful prospects.

In message <kvi32sF6lv6U1@mid.individual.net> at Tue, 2 Jan 2024
09:24:43, John Armstrong <jja@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>On 02/01/2024 08:45, Mike McMillan wrote:
>> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <3ti5pilmquo6imh0i441sj9c4jgc7lev60@4ax.com> at Mon, 1 Jan
>>> 2024 14:34:44, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> writes
>>> []
>>>> The first fireworks woke me so I went and watched them from the widow,
>>>> which has a good view of most of the valley. Very pretty when viewed
>>>> without specs. They lasted about 5 minutes, then back to bed and sleep...
>>> []
>>> Your pretty widow when viewed without specs reminds me of a line from
>>> Trial by Jury:
>>>
>>> "She may very well pass for forty three
>>> in the dusk, with the light behind her."
>>>
>>> (When that was written, 43 was presumably a lot older than it is now.)
>> Hoffnung had French widows in all guest rooms.
>>
>He did indeed. Affording delightful prospects.

An example of the TbJ song is at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzFf1kpio_E - the relevant lines being
at 1:18:

"You'll soon get used to her looks," said he
"and a very nice girl you'll find her." (Then as above.)

[I know it well, as Dad practiced it about the house when he played the
Judge. (And a good "Judge" too, IMO.)]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

.... each generation tends to imagine that its attitude to sex strikes just
about the right balance; that by comparison its predecessors were prim and
embarrassed, its successors sex-obsessed and pornified. - Julian Barnes, Radio
Times 9-15 March 2013

On 02-Jan-24 9:24, John Armstrong wrote:
> On 02/01/2024 08:45, Mike McMillan wrote:
>> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <3ti5pilmquo6imh0i441sj9c4jgc7lev60@4ax.com> at Mon, 1 Jan
>>> 2024 14:34:44, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> writes
>>> []
>>>> The first fireworks woke me so I went and watched them from the widow,
>>>> which has a good view of most of the valley. Very pretty when viewed
>>>> without specs. They lasted about 5 minutes, then back to bed and
>>>> sleep...
>>> []
>>> Your pretty widow when viewed without specs reminds me of a line from
>>> Trial by Jury:
>>>
>>> "She may very well pass for forty three
>>> in the dusk, with the light behind her."
>>>
>>> (When that was written, 43 was presumably a lot older than it is now.)
>>
>> Hoffnung had French widows in all guest rooms.
>>
> He did indeed. Affording delightful prospects.

"Do not concern yourself that I am not too good in bath. I am superb in bed"

--
Sam Plusnet

Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Jan 2024 14:34:44 +0000, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 31 Dec 2023 19:11:19 +0000, Rosie Mitchell
>> <rcmitchell@golgonooza.co.uk> scrawled in the dust...
>>
>>> Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> On 31/12/2023 17:38, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>>>>>> May the year of 2024 bring you what you wish for.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wot she said!
>>>>
>>>> Keep the noise down will you please; we are off to bed at 22:00 as usual
>>>> and would like to get to sleep - next year will still come into being
>>>> whether we are awake or sleeping. No champers required here either, we are
>>>> TT.
>>>> Bah Humbug!
>>>
>>> The only reason I ever stay up until midnight at Hogmanay these days is
>>> because I know I'll get woken by fireworks, so I may as well do
>>> something useful.
>>>
>>> Rosie
>>
>> I went to bed around 11:30 and dozed off.
>> The first fireworks woke me so I went and watched them from the widow,
>> which has a good view of most of the valley. Very pretty when viewed
>> without specs. They lasted about 5 minutes, then back to bed and sleep...
>> until 00:20 when they started up again, louder and for longer than before.
>>
>> Sleep had nuggered off so I Wordled and Connected around 1:00 before
>> dropping off again.
>>
>> Humbug at may continue for a while
>
> I got up in the night most nights in the last weeks, either broken arm
> hurt or just not sleeping, but last night woke around 0030 and was too
> tired to go down and wordle or connect. The fireworks were loud from
> around 11-2 whenever I woke. I think 2 is too late.
>

Vicky, if this is a regular occurrence, what about investing in a tablet? I
do Wordle and similar on my iPad* in bed when I wake early. Wouldn't dream
of traipsing downstairs!

*other brands are available.
--
Sally in Shropshire, UK

On 3 Jan 2024 08:43:01 GMT, Sally Thompson
<thompson.stonybrook@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

>Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 01 Jan 2024 14:34:44 +0000, Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
>> wrote:
>>

>>
>> I got up in the night most nights in the last weeks, either broken arm
>> hurt or just not sleeping, but last night woke around 0030 and was too
>> tired to go down and wordle or connect. The fireworks were loud from
>> around 11-2 whenever I woke. I think 2 is too late.
>>
>
>Vicky, if this is a regular occurrence, what about investing in a tablet? I
>do Wordle and similar on my iPad* in bed when I wake early. Wouldn't dream
>of traipsing downstairs!
>
>
>*other brands are available.

B gave me an ipad for my birthday in September. It lives downstairs
and I dutifully struggle to use it first thing, porridge time. He set
up fb, twitter, browser, mail etc and I mainly just look at a couple
of newspapers and then go gratefully to my PC. It's partly clumsy
fingers and partly fingerprints don't work well as I age. Can't use
them for stuff on mobile and Austrian Embassy has difficulty taking
them. Apparently common in older people. The light pen thing is iffy
to use too. I'm sad as was an early IT user, Prestel and internet
before WWW. But ....