Hi:

I've a mind to get a new iPad mini. I see the prices for a 256GB with
cellular are currently $799 (£631) in the USA and £929 in the UK, which
even allowing for VAT is a bit of a hike.

Is there any difference between the two models? Will the US model work on UK
cellular networks? Can someone point me to a definitive answer on this? I'm
tempted to ask a friend who's visiting the USA to get me one.

Martin S Taylor

On 07/01/2024 09:44, Martin S Taylor wrote:
> Hi:
>
> I've a mind to get a new iPad mini. I see the prices for a 256GB with
> cellular are currently $799 (£631) in the USA and £929 in the UK, which
> even allowing for VAT is a bit of a hike.
>
> Is there any difference between the two models? Will the US model work on UK
> cellular networks? Can someone point me to a definitive answer on this? I'm
> tempted to ask a friend who's visiting the USA to get me one.
>
> Martin S Taylor
>
For years I always bought my MacBooks in the US and used them here trouble
free. However, I'm not 100% familiar with the cellular system they used and
whether or not it's compatible with the system here.

You might want to compare specs on everymac.com and maybe wikipedia might help
in highlighting any differences

On 7 Jan 2024, David Kennedy wrote
(in article<d9GdnQY89PDbGgf4nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>):

> For years I always bought my MacBooks in the US and used them here trouble
> free.

Do you just walk into a shop and buy them? Do you have to pay sales tax which
you then reclaim? And if you do that, do you have to pay VAT when you bring
it into the UK?

MST

On 07 Jan 2024 at 11:25:08 GMT, "Martin S Taylor"
<correspondence@mRaErMtOiVnEsTtHaIySlor.com> wrote:

> On 7 Jan 2024, David Kennedy wrote
> (in article<d9GdnQY89PDbGgf4nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>):
>
>> For years I always bought my MacBooks in the US and used them here trouble
>> free.
>
> Do you just walk into a shop and buy them? Do you have to pay sales tax which
> you then reclaim? And if you do that, do you have to pay VAT when you bring
> it into the UK?

You'd certainly have to pay import duty (if any) and VAT on entry to the UK.
How you reclaim US Sales tax (which is a local and state, not federal, matter,
I dunno).

--
Tim

On 07/01/2024 12:00, TimS wrote:
> On 07 Jan 2024 at 11:25:08 GMT, "Martin S Taylor"
> <correspondence@mRaErMtOiVnEsTtHaIySlor.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7 Jan 2024, David Kennedy wrote
>> (in article<d9GdnQY89PDbGgf4nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>):
>>
>>> For years I always bought my MacBooks in the US and used them here trouble
>>> free.
>>
>> Do you just walk into a shop and buy them? Do you have to pay sales tax which
>> you then reclaim? And if you do that, do you have to pay VAT when you bring
>> it into the UK?
>
> You'd certainly have to pay import duty (if any) and VAT on entry to the UK.
> How you reclaim US Sales tax (which is a local and state, not federal, matter,
> I dunno).
>

Some states, eg Colorado, don't have that facility.
--
Graeme Wall
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On 7 Jan 2024, Graeme Wall wrote
(in article <unec5n$13ltp$1@dont-email.me>):

> > You'd certainly have to pay import duty (if any) and VAT on entry to the UK.
> > How you reclaim US Sales tax (which is a local and state, not federal,
> > matter,
> > I dunno).
>
> Some states, eg Colorado, don't have that facility.

You mean you don't have the facitily to ciaim back sales tax?

MST

On 07 Jan 2024 at 14:55:25 GMT, "Martin S Taylor"
<correspondence@mRaErMtOiVnEsTtHaIySlor.com> wrote:

> On 7 Jan 2024, Graeme Wall wrote
> (in article <unec5n$13ltp$1@dont-email.me>):
>
>>> You'd certainly have to pay import duty (if any) and VAT on entry to the UK.
>>> How you reclaim US Sales tax (which is a local and state, not federal,
>>> matter, I dunno).
>>
>> Some states, eg Colorado, don't have that facility.
>
> You mean you don't have the facitily to ciaim back sales tax?

Not in Colorado, it would seem. If the seller is shipping overseas, then they
shouldn't try to collect it. But this wouldn't apply in your scenario. It may
be possible at the point of departure at some airports, I suppose.

--
Tim

Martin S Taylor <correspondence@mraermtoivnestthaiyslor.com> wrote:
> Hi:
>
> I've a mind to get a new iPad mini. I see the prices for a 256GB with
> cellular are currently $799 (£631) in the USA and £929 in the UK, which
> even allowing for VAT is a bit of a hike.
>
> Is there any difference between the two models? Will the US model work on
> UK cellular networks? Can someone point me to a definitive answer on
> this? I'm tempted to ask a friend who's visiting the USA to get me one.

Check the bands mentioned in the spec, eg:
https://www.apple.com/uk/ipad-pro/specs/
Wi‑Fi + Cellular models
5G (sub‑6 GHz) with 4x4 MIMO
Gigabit LTE with 4x4 MIMO and LAA
Model A2761 and A2437:
5G NR (Bands n1, n2, n3, n5, n7, n8, n12, n14, n20, n25, n26, n28, n29, n30, n38, n40, n41, n48, n66, n70, n71, n77, n78, n79)
FDD-LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 11, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 25, 26, 28, 29, 30, 32, 66, 71)
TD-LTE (Bands 34, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 46, 48)
UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+/DC‑HSDPA (850, 900, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz)

versus the US version:
https://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/specs/
Wi-Fi + Cellular models
5G (sub‑6 GHz and mmWave) with 4x4 MIMO
Gigabit LTE with 4x4 MIMO and LAA
Model A2435 and A2764:
5G NR (Bands n1, n2, n3, n5, n7, n8, n12, n14, n20, n25, n26, n28, n29, n30, n38, n40, n41, n48, n66, n70, n71, n77, n78, n79)
5G NR mmWave (Bands n258, n260, n261)
FDD-LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 11, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 25, 26, 28, 29, 30, 32, 66, 71)
TD-LTE (Bands 34, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 46, 48)
UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+/DC‑HSDPA (850, 900, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz)

and then look up which bands are supported by which UK networks:
https://www.frequencycheck.com/
(site appears to be down at the moment)

- above the US does mmWave which the UK networks don't do, but it seems like
the other bands are the same.

For the Mini the bands appear to be the same:
https://www.apple.com/uk/ipad-mini/specs/
https://www.apple.com/ipad-mini/specs/
since they're the same A2568 model for both.

Theo

On 07/01/2024 14:55, Martin S Taylor wrote:
> On 7 Jan 2024, Graeme Wall wrote
> (in article <unec5n$13ltp$1@dont-email.me>):
>
>>> You'd certainly have to pay import duty (if any) and VAT on entry to the UK.
>>> How you reclaim US Sales tax (which is a local and state, not federal,
>>> matter,
>>> I dunno).
>>
>> Some states, eg Colorado, don't have that facility.
>
> You mean you don't have the facitily to ciaim back sales tax?
>

Correct. I bought my first iPad in Boulder and was looking forward to
getting the sales tax back but was disabused by the shop staff. Still
worked out cheaper than buying it in the UK.

--
Graeme Wall
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TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
[-]
Dear friend, Usenet headers -really- need to be in good old ASCII,
and nothing but ASCII,

Jan

On 07 Jan 2024 at 21:13:33 GMT, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:

> TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
> [-]
> Dear friend, Usenet headers -really- need to be in good old ASCII,
> and nothing but ASCII,

The string you're complaining about *IS* ASCII. It's the subject line 'Re:
iPad cellular – different in US?' converted to an Encoded-Word in base64.
Anyway it's nothing to do with me. I didn't ask Usenapp to base64 encode the
Subject line. And because you included no context I had to use the Unit Test
section of my email client to see which thread it related to - luckily I
included the ability to decode arbitrary encoded words in that client when I
wrote it.

You could look up encoded words in Winkpedia if you feel so inclined.

--
Tim

On 7 Jan 2024, Graeme Wall wrote
(in article <unet69$1657r$1@dont-email.me>):

> > You mean you don't have the facitily to ciaim back sales tax?
>
> Correct. I bought my first iPad in Boulder and was looking forward to
> getting the sales tax back but was disabused by the shop staff. Still
> worked out cheaper than buying it in the UK.

Thanks. Can you answer my original question of whether the cellular component
works in the UK the same as the USA?

MST

('Disabused' always sounds as though it ought to mean 'flattered' or
'praised'.) (I know it doesn't.)

On 8 Jan 2024, Martin S Taylor wrote
(in article<0001HW.2B4BE6AB0011898270000EA8938F@news.eternal-september.org>):

> Thanks. Can you answer my original question of whether the cellular component
> works in the UK the same as the USA?

Ah - just seen Theo has answered the question downthread.

MST

On 7 Jan 2024, TimS wrote
(in article <l00o0eFtk82U1@mid.individual.net>):

> On 07 Jan 2024 at 21:13:33 GMT, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
>
> > TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
> > [-]
> > Dear friend, Usenet headers -really- need to be in good old ASCII,
> > and nothing but ASCII,
>
> The string you're complaining about *IS* ASCII. It's the subject line 'Re:
> iPad cellular – different in US?' converted to an Encoded-Word in base64.
> Anyway it's nothing to do with me.

I think the complaint may have been about the en-dash in the header of my
original post. Sorry for that - you're quite right.

MST

On 08/01/2024 08:15, Martin S Taylor wrote:
> On 7 Jan 2024, Graeme Wall wrote
> (in article <unet69$1657r$1@dont-email.me>):
>
>>> You mean you don't have the facitily to ciaim back sales tax?
>>
>> Correct. I bought my first iPad in Boulder and was looking forward to
>> getting the sales tax back but was disabused by the shop staff. Still
>> worked out cheaper than buying it in the UK.
>
> Thanks. Can you answer my original question of whether the cellular component
> works in the UK the same as the USA?
>
Sorry, mine are non-cellular.

-
Graeme Wall
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TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

> On 07 Jan 2024 at 21:13:33 GMT, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
>
> > TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
> > [-]
> > Dear friend, Usenet headers -really- need to be in good old ASCII,
> > and nothing but ASCII,
>
> The string you're complaining about *IS* ASCII. It's the subject line 'Re:

On my screen it looks like:

U T F - 8 ? B ? U m U 6 I G Q Y W Q g Y 2 V s b HV s Y X Ig 4 o C TI G
R p Z m Z l c m V u d C B p b i B V U z 8 = ? =

[Spaces added to ensure it is not decoded ]

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(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
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On 7 Jan 2024 at 09:44:46 GMT, "Martin S Taylor"
<correspondence@mRaErMtOiVnEsTtHaIySlor.com> wrote:

> Hi:
>
> I've a mind to get a new iPad mini.

Depending on urgency, it may be worth waiting - the iPad line is in dire
need of sorting out, the normal and pro lines are all semi-upgraded and
there weren't any new ones in 2023. Rumour mill suggests there's likely
to be a pile of them Fairly Soon.

Cheers - Jaimie
--
It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him.
-- J R R Tolkien

On 08.01.24 15:24, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
> On 7 Jan 2024 at 09:44:46 GMT, "Martin S Taylor"
> <correspondence@mRaErMtOiVnEsTtHaIySlor.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi:
>>
>> I've a mind to get a new iPad mini.
>
> Depending on urgency, it may be worth waiting - the iPad line is in dire
> need of sorting out, the normal and pro lines are all semi-upgraded and
> there weren't any new ones in 2023. Rumour mill suggests there's likely
> to be a pile of them Fairly Soon.

And new iPad minis are overdue. They were expectet fall 23 but did not
appear. I would like to replace my wife's 4th generation iPad mini.

I think new ones are ante portas.

--
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:

> On 08.01.24 15:24, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
> > On 7 Jan 2024 at 09:44:46 GMT, "Martin S Taylor"
> > <correspondence@mRaErMtOiVnEsTtHaIySlor.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi:
> >>
> >> I've a mind to get a new iPad mini.
> >
> > Depending on urgency, it may be worth waiting - the iPad line is in dire
> > need of sorting out, the normal and pro lines are all semi-upgraded and
> > there weren't any new ones in 2023. Rumour mill suggests there's likely
> > to be a pile of them Fairly Soon.
>
> And new iPad minis are overdue. They were expectet fall 23 but did not
> appear. I would like to replace my wife's 4th generation iPad mini.
>
> I think new ones are ante portas.

Calm down, cam down. They are not hostile,

Jan

On 08.01.24 18:02, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>> On 08.01.24 15:24, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
>>> On 7 Jan 2024 at 09:44:46 GMT, "Martin S Taylor"
>>> <correspondence@mRaErMtOiVnEsTtHaIySlor.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi:
>>>>
>>>> I've a mind to get a new iPad mini.
>>>
>>> Depending on urgency, it may be worth waiting - the iPad line is in dire
>>> need of sorting out, the normal and pro lines are all semi-upgraded and
>>> there weren't any new ones in 2023. Rumour mill suggests there's likely
>>> to be a pile of them Fairly Soon.
>>
>> And new iPad minis are overdue. They were expectet fall 23 but did not
>> appear. I would like to replace my wife's 4th generation iPad mini.
>>
>> I think new ones are ante portas.
>
> Calm down, cam down. They are not hostile,

???

> Jan

Jörg

--
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Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:

> On 08.01.24 18:02, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On 08.01.24 15:24, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
> >>> On 7 Jan 2024 at 09:44:46 GMT, "Martin S Taylor"
> >>> <correspondence@mRaErMtOiVnEsTtHaIySlor.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi:
> >>>>
> >>>> I've a mind to get a new iPad mini.
> >>>
> >>> Depending on urgency, it may be worth waiting - the iPad line is in dire
> >>> need of sorting out, the normal and pro lines are all semi-upgraded and
> >>> there weren't any new ones in 2023. Rumour mill suggests there's likely
> >>> to be a pile of them Fairly Soon.
> >>
> >> And new iPad minis are overdue. They were expectet fall 23 but did not
> >> appear. I would like to replace my wife's 4th generation iPad mini.
> >>
> >> I think new ones are ante portas.
> >
> > Calm down, cam down. They are not hostile,
>
> ???

The one who was 'ante portas' was Hannibal,
by classical lore,

Jan

On 08 Jan 2024 at 12:33:48 GMT, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:

> TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 07 Jan 2024 at 21:13:33 GMT, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
>>
>>> TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
>>> [-]
>>> Dear friend, Usenet headers -really- need to be in good old ASCII,
>>> and nothing but ASCII,
>>
>> The string you're complaining about *IS* ASCII. It's the subject line 'Re:
>
> On my screen it looks like:
>
> U T F - 8 ? B ? U m U 6 I G Q Y W Q g Y 2 V s b HV s Y X Ig 4 o C TI G
> R p Z m Z l c m V u d C B p b i B V U z 8 = ? =
>
> [Spaces added to ensure it is not decoded ]

And there are two characters missing at the beginning ---> =? <---

But the entire string is ASCII - it's intended to be, and is a way that
multibyte characters [1] can be encoded back to only ASCII. See RFC2047 for
details.

[1] and also those random Windows code pages that imagine that bytes with
decimal values greater than 127 are also ASCII.

--
Tim

On 08.01.24 18:17, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>> ???
>
> The one who was 'ante portas' was Hannibal,
> by classical lore,

OK, but a bit farfetched.

--
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TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:

> On 08 Jan 2024 at 12:33:48 GMT, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:
>
> > TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> On 07 Jan 2024 at 21:13:33 GMT, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
> >>
> >>> TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
> >>> [-]
> >>> Dear friend, Usenet headers -really- need to be in good old ASCII,
> >>> and nothing but ASCII,
> >>
> >> The string you're complaining about *IS* ASCII. It's the subject line 'Re:
> >
> > On my screen it looks like:
> >
> > U T F - 8 ? B ? U m U 6 I G Q Y W Q g Y 2 V s b HV s Y X Ig 4 o C TI G
> > R p Z m Z l c m V u d C B p b i B V U z 8 = ? =
> >
> > [Spaces added to ensure it is not decoded ]
>
> And there are two characters missing at the beginning ---> =? <---

They don't appear on my screen.

>
> But the entire string is ASCII - it's intended to be, and is a way that
> multibyte characters [1] can be encoded back to only ASCII. See RFC2047 for
> details.

Enigma code can be sent as ASCII, so can Hagelin. Lorenz and lots of
other codes; but if you want everyone to be able to read it, you send it
as plain text in ASCII

--
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(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
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On 08 Jan 2024 at 18:27:44 GMT, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:

> TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 08 Jan 2024 at 12:33:48 GMT, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:
>>
>>> TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 07 Jan 2024 at 21:13:33 GMT, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>> [-]
>>>>> Dear friend, Usenet headers -really- need to be in good old ASCII,
>>>>> and nothing but ASCII,
>>>>
>>>> The string you're complaining about *IS* ASCII. It's the subject line 'Re:
>>>
>>> On my screen it looks like:
>>>
>>> U T F - 8 ? B ? U m U 6 I G Q Y W Q g Y 2 V s b HV s Y X Ig 4 o C TI G
>>> R p Z m Z l c m V u d C B p b i B V U z 8 = ? =
>>>
>>> [Spaces added to ensure it is not decoded ]
>>
>> And there are two characters missing at the beginning ---> =? <---> They
>> don't appear on my screen.

Nor mine. If you refer to the RFC I mentioned you will see that they are an
introducer for an encoded word.

>> But the entire string is ASCII - it's intended to be, and is a way that
>> multibyte characters [1] can be encoded back to only ASCII. See RFC2047 for
>> details.
>
> Enigma code can be sent as ASCII, so can Hagelin. Lorenz and lots of
> other codes; but if you want everyone to be able to read it, you send it
> as plain text in ASCII

I am at a loss to see what is the point you are trying to make.

--
Tim