TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
> On 08 Jan 2024 at 18:27:44 GMT, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:
>
>> TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 08 Jan 2024 at 12:33:48 GMT, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:
>>>
>>>> TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 07 Jan 2024 at 21:13:33 GMT, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> [-]
>>>>>> Dear friend, Usenet headers -really- need to be in good old ASCII,
>>>>>> and nothing but ASCII,
>>>>>
>>>>> The string you're complaining about *IS* ASCII. It's the subject line 'Re:
>>>>
>>>> On my screen it looks like:
>>>>
>>>> U T F - 8 ? B ? U m U 6 I G Q Y W Q g Y 2 V s b HV s Y X Ig 4 o C TI G
>>>> R p Z m Z l c m V u d C B p b i B V U z 8 = ? =
>>>>
>>>> [Spaces added to ensure it is not decoded ]
>>>
>>> And there are two characters missing at the beginning ---> =? <---> They
>>> don't appear on my screen.
>
> Nor mine. If you refer to the RFC I mentioned you will see that they are an
> introducer for an encoded word.
>
>>> But the entire string is ASCII - it's intended to be, and is a way that
>>> multibyte characters [1] can be encoded back to only ASCII. See RFC2047 for
>>> details.
>>
>> Enigma code can be sent as ASCII, so can Hagelin. Lorenz and lots of
>> other codes; but if you want everyone to be able to read it, you send it
>> as plain text in ASCII
>
> I am at a loss to see what is the point you are trying to make.

I wouldn’t lose any sleep over as it seems Usenapp is responsible for this
encoding oddity. Perhaps André, the developer, should comment?

--
Cheers, Alan

On 07/01/2024 12:00, TimS wrote:
> On 07 Jan 2024 at 11:25:08 GMT, "Martin S Taylor"
> <correspondence@mRaErMtOiVnEsTtHaIySlor.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7 Jan 2024, David Kennedy wrote
>> (in article<d9GdnQY89PDbGgf4nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>):
>>
>>> For years I always bought my MacBooks in the US and used them here trouble
>>> free.
>>
>> Do you just walk into a shop and buy them? Do you have to pay sales tax which
>> you then reclaim? And if you do that, do you have to pay VAT when you bring
>> it into the UK?
>
> You'd certainly have to pay import duty (if any) and VAT on entry to the UK.
> How you reclaim US Sales tax (which is a local and state, not federal, matter,
> I dunno).
>
The apple store in NY will give you all the required details to reclaim the
sales tax.

On 8 Jan 2024, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote
(in article <l02etiF95fnU1@mid.individual.net>):

> Depending on urgency, it may be worth waiting - the iPad line is in dire
> need of sorting out, the normal and pro lines are all semi-upgraded and
> there weren't any new ones in 2023. Rumour mill suggests there's likely
> to be a pile of them Fairly Soon.

Yes, a close call. Bizarrely, in my case, it's the Apple Pencil which I need
urgently. My original Apple Pencil is falling apart (!) and I want to replace
it with one which is properly designed (ie. the Pencil 2). But that won't
work with my current iPad mini.

Probably best to wait, as you say.

MST

Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:

> On 08.01.24 18:17, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
> >> ???
> >
> > The one who was 'ante portas' was Hannibal,
> > by classical lore,
>
> OK, but a bit farfetched.

You can translate it with "The Enemy is at the gates",
for a more recent context.

In general 'is at the gates' doesn't bode too well,

Jan

On 9 Jan 2024 at 09:13:41 GMT, "Martin S Taylor"
<correspondence@mRaErMtOiVnEsTtHaIySlor.com> wrote:

> On 8 Jan 2024, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote
> (in article <l02etiF95fnU1@mid.individual.net>):
>
>> Depending on urgency, it may be worth waiting - the iPad line is in dire
>> need of sorting out, the normal and pro lines are all semi-upgraded and
>> there weren't any new ones in 2023. Rumour mill suggests there's likely
>> to be a pile of them Fairly Soon.
>
> Yes, a close call. Bizarrely, in my case, it's the Apple Pencil which I need
> urgently. My original Apple Pencil is falling apart (!) and I want to replace
> it with one which is properly designed (ie. the Pencil 2). But that won't
> work with my current iPad mini.
>
> Probably best to wait, as you say.
>
> MST

Hopefully the absolute nonsense situation with the various pencils will
also get resolved!

Cheers - Jaimie
--
The truth may be out there, but the lies are inside your head.
-- Terry Pratchett

Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
> On 9 Jan 2024 at 09:13:41 GMT, "Martin S Taylor"
> <correspondence@mRaErMtOiVnEsTtHaIySlor.com> wrote:
>
> > On 8 Jan 2024, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote
> > (in article <l02etiF95fnU1@mid.individual.net>):
> >
> >> Depending on urgency, it may be worth waiting - the iPad line is in dire
> >> need of sorting out, the normal and pro lines are all semi-upgraded and
> >> there weren't any new ones in 2023. Rumour mill suggests there's likely
> >> to be a pile of them Fairly Soon.
> >
> > Yes, a close call. Bizarrely, in my case, it's the Apple Pencil which I need
> > urgently. My original Apple Pencil is falling apart (!) and I want to replace
> > it with one which is properly designed (ie. the Pencil 2). But that won't
> > work with my current iPad mini.
> >
> > Probably best to wait, as you say.
> >
> > MST
>
> Hopefully the absolute nonsense situation with the various pencils will
> also get resolved!

+1 It's a complete mess. It's not obvious that a new Pencil release will
work on older tablets either.

If it were me, I'd be looking for a used Pencil 1 to tide me over until a
new iPad release at which point you can look at your options. Beware that
the Pencil batteries are unreplaceable (glued and sealed in) so they are
e-waste once the battery is knackered. So you need to choose carefully, but
if it's only for a few months then perhaps you don't need one in box-fresh
condition.

Theo

On 10 Jan 2024, Theo wrote
(in article <Lkc*285zz@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>):

> > Hopefully the absolute nonsense situation with the various pencils will
> > also get resolved!
>
> +1 It's a complete mess. It's not obvious that a new Pencil release will
> work on older tablets either.
>
> If it were me, I'd be looking for a used Pencil 1 to tide me over until a
> new iPad release at which point you can look at your options. Beware that
> the Pencil batteries are unreplaceable (glued and sealed in) so they are
> e-waste once the battery is knackered. So you need to choose carefully, but
> if it's only for a few months then perhaps you don't need one in box-fresh
> condition.

Mine still works perfectly well. But the cap is disintegrating. Frankly, I'm
amazed I haven't lost the cap yet - (there's no way to get a new one) or
bent/broken the lightning connector when I'm charging it.

MST

Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
>> On 9 Jan 2024 at 09:13:41 GMT, "Martin S Taylor"
>> <correspondence@mRaErMtOiVnEsTtHaIySlor.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8 Jan 2024, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote
>>> (in article <l02etiF95fnU1@mid.individual.net>):
>>>
>>>> Depending on urgency, it may be worth waiting - the iPad line is in dire
>>>> need of sorting out, the normal and pro lines are all semi-upgraded and
>>>> there weren't any new ones in 2023. Rumour mill suggests there's likely
>>>> to be a pile of them Fairly Soon.
>>>
>>> Yes, a close call. Bizarrely, in my case, it's the Apple Pencil which I need
>>> urgently. My original Apple Pencil is falling apart (!) and I want to replace
>>> it with one which is properly designed (ie. the Pencil 2). But that won't
>>> work with my current iPad mini.
>>>
>>> Probably best to wait, as you say.
>>>
>>> MST
>>
>> Hopefully the absolute nonsense situation with the various pencils will
>> also get resolved!
>
> +1 It's a complete mess. It's not obvious that a new Pencil release will
> work on older tablets either.
>
> If it were me, I'd be looking for a used Pencil 1 to tide me over until a
> new iPad release at which point you can look at your options. Beware that
> the Pencil batteries are unreplaceable (glued and sealed in) so they are
> e-waste once the battery is knackered. So you need to choose carefully, but
> if it's only for a few months then perhaps you don't need one in box-fresh
> condition.

Sorry to jump in, but what's the typical lifespan of a v1 pencil? Mine has
just passed its second birthday. Still going strong.

On 11 Jan 2024, Chris wrote
(in article <uno97f$2u1id$1@dont-email.me>):

> Sorry to jump in, but what's the typical lifespan of a v1 pencil? Mine has
> just passed its second birthday. Still going strong.

Mine is maybe three years old and (as noted upthread) still works fine except
that the cap is crumbling.

MST

Martin S Taylor <correspondence@mraermtoivnestthaiyslor.com> wrote:
> On 10 Jan 2024, Theo wrote
> (in article <Lkc*285zz@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>):
>
> > > Hopefully the absolute nonsense situation with the various pencils will
> > > also get resolved!
> >
> > +1 It's a complete mess. It's not obvious that a new Pencil release will
> > work on older tablets either.
> >
> > If it were me, I'd be looking for a used Pencil 1 to tide me over until a
> > new iPad release at which point you can look at your options. Beware that
> > the Pencil batteries are unreplaceable (glued and sealed in) so they are
> > e-waste once the battery is knackered. So you need to choose carefully, but
> > if it's only for a few months then perhaps you don't need one in box-fresh
> > condition.
>
> Mine still works perfectly well. But the cap is disintegrating. Frankly, I'm
> amazed I haven't lost the cap yet - (there's no way to get a new one) or
> bent/broken the lightning connector when I'm charging it.

That's just the plastic cap, right? No active parts in it?

It may be worth buying a 'for parts' Pencil just to get the cap, if that is
the only problem:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/155544912341
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/186230297978

(filter by Apple brand as there are third party pencils that look similar to
the genuine one)

Bit of a sledgehammer approach but cheaper than snowballing into spending
almost £1k on a new iPad :-)

Theo

On 11 Jan 2024, Theo wrote
(in article <Lkc*2h-zz@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>):

> > Mine still works perfectly well. But the cap is disintegrating. Frankly, I'm
> > amazed I haven't lost the cap yet - (there's no way to get a new one) or
> > bent/broken the lightning connector when I'm charging it.
>
> That's just the plastic cap, right? No active parts in it?

Correct.
>
>
> It may be worth buying a 'for parts' Pencil just to get the cap, if that is
> the only problem:
> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/155544912341
> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/186230297978
>
> (filter by Apple brand as there are third party pencils that look similar to
> the genuine one)
>
>
> Bit of a sledgehammer approach but cheaper than snowballing into spending
> almost £1k on a new iPad :-)

(Or $800 on a new iPad + £300 return air fare to New York :-)

Yes, I realisethat a new cap is an option. But the Pencil 2 is much nicer -
easier to charge and the double-tap to change its function is particularly
useful. And with rumours that there may be something new in the pipeline...

MST

On 07/01/2024 09:44, Martin S Taylor wrote:
> Hi:
>
> I've a mind to get a new iPad mini. I see the prices for a 256GB with
> cellular are currently $799 (£631) in the USA and £929 in the UK, which
> even allowing for VAT is a bit of a hike.
>
> Is there any difference between the two models? Will the US model work on UK
> cellular networks? Can someone point me to a definitive answer on this? I'm
> tempted to ask a friend who's visiting the USA to get me one.
>
> Martin S Taylor
>

Back to the original question re which models work where...

Have a look at the differences between these two pages:
<https://www.apple.com/au/ipad/cellular/networks/>
<https://www.apple.com/uk/ipad/cellular/networks/>

What I *think* those pages are saying is: the listed models are
available for sale in the country whose country code is in the URL and
those models work in the countries listed on the page.

That doesn't quite make sense when you see that the Australia page has a
China only model of the iPad Pro 12.9-inch - so why would it be for sale
in Oz?

Anyway, the US and UK seem to completely overlap so you should be safe.
But check those pages again if and when a new model is announced.

Regards,
--
Bruce Horrocks
Surrey, England

Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
> Back to the original question re which models work where...
>
> Have a look at the differences between these two pages:
> <https://www.apple.com/au/ipad/cellular/networks/>
> <https://www.apple.com/uk/ipad/cellular/networks/>
>
> What I *think* those pages are saying is: the listed models are
> available for sale in the country whose country code is in the URL and
> those models work in the countries listed on the page.

I'm not sure it is saying that, because the UK page includes the mmWave
bands that aren't used outside the US, and I very much doubt those iPads are
sold in the UK.

It could just be saying that people in the UK (or Oz) may encounter one of
the following iPads and this is the countries they support. Although the
the China iPad does support a lot of bands used in Europe and the US, just
not the full range.

> That doesn't quite make sense when you see that the Australia page has a
> China only model of the iPad Pro 12.9-inch - so why would it be for sale
> in Oz?
>
> Anyway, the US and UK seem to completely overlap so you should be safe.
> But check those pages again if and when a new model is announced.

I'm not sure I'd trust the country list on that page, but the list of bands
is useful. Cross reference with the list for your chosen network to be
sure.

Theo

Martin S Taylor <correspondence@mRaErMtOiVnEsTtHaIySlor.com> wrote:
> On 11 Jan 2024, Chris wrote
> (in article <uno97f$2u1id$1@dont-email.me>):
>
>> Sorry to jump in, but what's the typical lifespan of a v1 pencil? Mine has
>> just passed its second birthday. Still going strong.
>
> Mine is maybe three years old and (as noted upthread) still works fine except
> that the cap is crumbling.

Thanks.

On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 08:34:38 +0000, Martin S Taylor
<correspondence@mRaErMtOiVnEsTtHaIySlor.com> wrote:

>On 10 Jan 2024, Theo wrote
>(in article <Lkc*285zz@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>):
>
>> > Hopefully the absolute nonsense situation with the various pencils will
>> > also get resolved!
>>
>> +1 It's a complete mess. It's not obvious that a new Pencil release will
>> work on older tablets either.
>>
>> If it were me, I'd be looking for a used Pencil 1 to tide me over until a
>> new iPad release at which point you can look at your options. Beware that
>> the Pencil batteries are unreplaceable (glued and sealed in) so they are
>> e-waste once the battery is knackered. So you need to choose carefully, but
>> if it's only for a few months then perhaps you don't need one in box-fresh
>> condition.
>
>Mine still works perfectly well. But the cap is disintegrating. Frankly, I'm
>amazed I haven't lost the cap yet - (there's no way to get a new one) or

Would not the tech guys at a nearby Apple store have a couple of
loose ones available?

That seems like the tiny, fragile thing that a huge company like
Apple should have lots of spares of. Cast-offs from pens that didn't
get made correctly, extras with no pens to attach to and other
sources.

Maybe no-one at Apple has suggested it to Marketing?

>bent/broken the lightning connector when I'm charging it.

My local Apple store *does* have those in stock as well as USB to
new, tiny USB connectors and other wiry bits. They cost a *lot*, more
than four or five times what a typical connector for non-Apple PC's
would cost.

I needed a USB-to-tiny-USB to connect my lovely new MBP to my
"legacy" USB-equipped hard drives. Considering the cost of the MBP, I
would have thought that Apple could have thrown in a couple of
varieties of connectors for free but I guess that's not how Capitalism
works.

Still the connectors do allow the MBP to talk to *some* of my drives.
I'm still trying to get the others to work with it.

Progress sometimes isn't. :)

J.
>
>MST

On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 19:15:37 +0000, Bruce Horrocks
<07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:

>On 07/01/2024 09:44, Martin S Taylor wrote:
>> Hi:
>>
>> I've a mind to get a new iPad mini. I see the prices for a 256GB with
>> cellular are currently $799 (£631) in the USA and £929 in the UK, which
>> even allowing for VAT is a bit of a hike.
>>
>> Is there any difference between the two models? Will the US model work on UK
>> cellular networks? Can someone point me to a definitive answer on this? I'm
>> tempted to ask a friend who's visiting the USA to get me one.
>>
>> Martin S Taylor
>>
>
>Back to the original question re which models work where...
>
>Have a look at the differences between these two pages:
> <https://www.apple.com/au/ipad/cellular/networks/>
> <https://www.apple.com/uk/ipad/cellular/networks/>
>
>What I *think* those pages are saying is: the listed models are
>available for sale in the country whose country code is in the URL and
>those models work in the countries listed on the page.
>
>That doesn't quite make sense when you see that the Australia page has a
>China only model of the iPad Pro 12.9-inch - so why would it be for sale
>in Oz?

Because Oz has lots of Chinese people living there and not a small
number of visitors, too?

>
>Anyway, the US and UK seem to completely overlap so you should be safe.
>But check those pages again if and when a new model is announced.

Mobile telephones mostly work in just about every country on the
planet so there is no reason why the mobile phone bit of a computer
should not also do so.

Unless the maker has restricted the licence geographically, as they
do with Region encoded DVD's and such.

I can't see a rationale behind anyone doing that, though. It would
only increase their administration and legal costs to no gain.

But I am definitely not a lawyer so perhaps they do do daft stuff?

J.

>
>Regards,

On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 2:44:48 PM UTC+5, Martin S Taylor wrote:
> Hi:
>
> I've a mind to get a new iPad mini. I see the prices for a 256GB with
> cellular are currently $799 (£631) in the USA and £929 in the UK, which
> even allowing for VAT is a bit of a hike.
>
> Is there any difference between the two models? Will the US model work on UK
> cellular networks? Can someone point me to a definitive answer on this? I'm
> tempted to ask a friend who's visiting the USA to get me one.
>
> Martin S Taylor
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Martin S Taylor <correspondence@mRaErMtOiVnEsTtHaIySlor.com> wrote:

Subject: iPad cellular – different in US?

This is not an honest to the gods of ASCII hyphen.
Expect trouble further on.

And yes, even you yourself got bitten by it.
See downthread,

Jan