On 19 Feb 2024 at 09:43:43 GMT, "Martin S Taylor"
<correspondence@mRaErMtOiVnEsTtHaIySlor.com> wrote:

> On 18 Feb 2024, Chris Ridd wrote
> (in article <uqtjsg$1d40f$2@dont-email.me>):
>
>>>> However it won't work fully unless the Apple ID you use with it is
>>>> registered in the USA. Canadian purchasers have already discovered this
>>>> problem.
>>>
>>> They check this against the serial number? The model numbers are identical.
>>
>> No, they check your Apple ID. If you go to appleid.apple.com you can see
>> the country/region that you selected when you created your account.
>>
>> Currently it says "your country or region cannot be changed at this time"
>
> No, I understand that they check your Apple ID to see what country you're in,
> but how do they correlate this to your new iPad?

"How do the Apple ASC forum moderators KNOW that you have been banned?
There has to be a mechanism of some sort!

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/794583/apple-support-communities-asc-forums-access/

There's a lot of secrecy!

--
David

Martin S Taylor <correspondence@mRaErMtOiVnEsTtHaIySlor.com> wrote:
> On 18 Feb 2024, Chris Ridd wrote
> (in article <uqtjsg$1d40f$2@dont-email.me>):
>
>>>> However it won't work fully unless the Apple ID you use with it is
>>>> registered in the USA. Canadian purchasers have already discovered this
>>>> problem.
>>>
>>> They check this against the serial number? The model numbers are identical.
>>
>> No, they check your Apple ID. If you go to appleid.apple.com you can see
>> the country/region that you selected when you created your account.
>>
>> Currently it says "your country or region cannot be changed at this time"
>
> No, I understand that they check your Apple ID to see what country you're in,
> but how do they correlate this to your new iPad?

When I’ve bought gear from an Apple Store the assistant asks what’s my
email address so an electronic receipt can be sent to me. Their accounting
system presumably checks if the email address is a known AppleId?

--
Cheers, Alan

On 19 Feb 2024, Alan B wrote
(in article<uqvatc$1qt2n$1@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>):

> When I’ve bought gear from an Apple Store the assistant asks what’s my
> email address so an electronic receipt can be sent to me. Their accounting
> system presumably checks if the email address is a known AppleId?

I don't know if that's true, but when I buy kit from the Apple Store I give
them my 'shop-purchase' email, not the AppleId email address. As expected,
the receipt comes to the 'shop-purchase' address.

MST

On 19 Feb 2024 at 12:24:41 GMT, "Martin S Taylor"
<correspondence@mRaErMtOiVnEsTtHaIySlor.com> wrote:

> On 19 Feb 2024, Alan B wrote
> (in article<uqvatc$1qt2n$1@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>):
>
>> When I’ve bought gear from an Apple Store the assistant asks what’s my
>> email address so an electronic receipt can be sent to me. Their accounting
>> system presumably checks if the email address is a known AppleId?
>
> I don't know if that's true, but when I buy kit from the Apple Store I give
> them my 'shop-purchase' email, not the AppleId email address. As expected,
> the receipt comes to the 'shop-purchase' address.

Of course, if you're a new purchaser, you won't *have* an AppleID email.

Uaing an email address as an ID was always a dumb idea anyway; last year I had
to start using a new address as my ISP had got out of the business. So, many
sites I had to change my login or email address for. And with some, that was
not easy.

--
Tim

Martin S Taylor <correspondence@mRaErMtOiVnEsTtHaIySlor.com> wrote:
> On 19 Feb 2024, Alan B wrote
> (in article<uqvatc$1qt2n$1@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>):
>
>> When I’ve bought gear from an Apple Store the assistant asks what’s my
>> email address so an electronic receipt can be sent to me. Their accounting
>> system presumably checks if the email address is a known AppleId?
>
> I don't know if that's true, but when I buy kit from the Apple Store I give
> them my 'shop-purchase' email, not the AppleId email address. As expected,
> the receipt comes to the 'shop-purchase' address.

I’ll try that next time!!!

--
Cheers, Alan

On 17/02/2024 13:02, Theo wrote:
> It hasn't been launched in the UK. Rumours are of a launch towards the
> end of the year.

No need to launch outside the US, they've already met their quota of
boneheads.

<https://www.macrumors.com/2024/02/06/idiot-driver-seen-wearing-apple-vision-pro/>

--
Bruce Horrocks
Surrey, England

On 19 Feb 2024 10:01:01 +0000 (GMT), Theo
<theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

>Martin S Taylor <correspondence@mraermtoivnestthaiyslor.com> wrote:
>> On 18 Feb 2024, John wrote
>> (in article<cgi4ti9p6fe7mi5nlikqmg7cg8t6svb9tr@4ax.com>):
>>
>> > Do USAliens instinctively add local taxes to every purchase? Is it
>> > taught to you while you're young?
>>
>> Yes, and it drives US citizens nuts. In the UK you see something priced at
>> £19.99 so (if you happen to be paying cash) you hand over your £20 note and
>> get a penny change. In the USA it's priced at, maybe $25, so (if you're wise
>> to sales tax) you fish out $30 and find it costs $28.37, or some stupid
>> amount, and you have to faff about with ridiculous quantities of tiny coins.
>
>It amused me that the prices in the 'dollar store' actually came to $1.07
>after tax. Rather defeats the business model of simplifying transactions
>(hand over £10 at Poundland, get 10 items. Hand over $10, get 9 items and a
>shower of change)

Surely that's inefficient?

Would it not be an easier system to *include* the "sales tax" in the
$10 price of the ten items? To charge 93 cents per item then add the
seven per cent tax to bulk it out to a dollar?

That's what UKland seems to do with VAT on £1 items.

Or at least that's what I *think* we do.

Of course, that would mean making the sales tax universal, ubiquitous
and probably Federally adjusted but I'm sure the individual States,
Cities, Towns, Villages, hamlets and streets would have no problems
with such a simpler system. :)

Oh, and do the checkout points have little jars into which those
irksome little coins can be thrown to "benefit a charity"? Some shops
in UKland do. The idea is that anyone who already has seven or eight
pockets clangingly full of rubbishy metal that won't buy anything and
can't be exchanged at a bank will simply give up and fill the jars.

J.

>
>Theo

On 19/02/2024 09:43, Martin S Taylor wrote:
> On 18 Feb 2024, Chris Ridd wrote
> (in article <uqtjsg$1d40f$2@dont-email.me>):
>
>>>> However it won't work fully unless the Apple ID you use with it is
>>>> registered in the USA. Canadian purchasers have already discovered this
>>>> problem.
>>>
>>> They check this against the serial number? The model numbers are identical.
>>
>> No, they check your Apple ID. If you go to appleid.apple.com you can see
>> the country/region that you selected when you created your account.
>>
>> Currently it says "your country or region cannot be changed at this time"
>
> No, I understand that they check your Apple ID to see what country you're in,
> but how do they correlate this to your new iPad?

You have to log in with an Apple ID to be able to do most things,
including using the Vision Pro App Store. So a few things will work OK,
but many (most?) things will not.

--
Chris

On 20 Feb 2024, Chris Ridd wrote
(in article <ur1l9j$2d2m9$1@dont-email.me>):

> > > > They check this against the serial number? The model numbers are
> > > > identical.
> > >
> > > No, they check your Apple ID. If you go to appleid.apple.com you can see
> > > the country/region that you selected when you created your account.
> > >
> > > Currently it says "your country or region cannot be changed at this time"
> >
> > No, I understand that they check your Apple ID to see what country you're
> > in,
> > but how do they correlate this to your new iPad?
>
> You have to log in with an Apple ID to be able to do most things,
> including using the Vision Pro App Store. So a few things will work OK,
> but many (most?) things will not.

I don't understand.

With my current iPad (bought in the UK) I log in with my 'UK-registered'
Apple ID and everything works. If I log in with the same Apple ID but using
an iPad bought in the USA, how can some things not work, given that the Model
number of the new iPad is the same?

MST

On 20/02/2024 09:19, Martin S Taylor wrote:
> On 20 Feb 2024, Chris Ridd wrote
> (in article <ur1l9j$2d2m9$1@dont-email.me>):
>
>>>>> They check this against the serial number? The model numbers are
>>>>> identical.
>>>>
>>>> No, they check your Apple ID. If you go to appleid.apple.com you can see
>>>> the country/region that you selected when you created your account.
>>>>
>>>> Currently it says "your country or region cannot be changed at this time"
>>>
>>> No, I understand that they check your Apple ID to see what country you're
>>> in,
>>> but how do they correlate this to your new iPad?
>>
>> You have to log in with an Apple ID to be able to do most things,
>> including using the Vision Pro App Store. So a few things will work OK,
>> but many (most?) things will not.
>
> I don't understand.
>
> With my current iPad (bought in the UK) I log in with my 'UK-registered'
> Apple ID and everything works. If I log in with the same Apple ID but using
> an iPad bought in the USA, how can some things not work, given that the Model
> number of the new iPad is the same?

At some point in this thread the topic changed from restricting Vision
Pros from working unless linked to a USA-based Apple ID to include iPads
as well.

For Vision Pro they are only on sale in the US and they only work (I
think) if linked to a US based Apple ID. This prevents, for example,
Canadians buying one and trying to use it with an Apple ID that is
linked to a Canada address.

With regard to iPads, Apple don't restrict in this way. But if they
really wanted to they could use the internal serial number (not the
model number) of the iPad to track which store it was sold through and
therefore which 'nationality' Apple ID they allow it to be used with.

--
Bruce Horrocks
Surrey, England

On 20/02/2024 13:27, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
> On 20/02/2024 09:19, Martin S Taylor wrote:
>> On 20 Feb 2024, Chris Ridd wrote
>> (in article <ur1l9j$2d2m9$1@dont-email.me>):
>>
>>>>>> They check this against the serial number? The model numbers are
>>>>>> identical.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, they check your Apple ID. If you go to appleid.apple.com you
>>>>> can see
>>>>> the country/region that you selected when you created your account.
>>>>>
>>>>> Currently it says "your country or region cannot be changed at this
>>>>> time"
>>>>
>>>> No, I understand that they check your Apple ID to see what country
>>>> you're
>>>> in,
>>>> but how do they correlate this to your new iPad?
>>>
>>> You have to log in with an Apple ID to be able to do most things,
>>> including using the Vision Pro App Store. So a few things will work OK,
>>> but many (most?) things will not.
>>
>> I don't understand.
>>
>> With my current iPad (bought in the UK) I log in with my 'UK-registered'
>> Apple ID and everything works. If I log in with the same Apple ID but
>> using
>> an iPad bought in the USA, how can some things not work, given that
>> the Model
>> number of the new iPad is the same?
>
>
> At some point in this thread the topic changed from restricting Vision
> Pros from working unless linked to a USA-based Apple ID to include iPads
> as well.

Yes, I think perhaps too much snippage has occurred, or two threads
crossed, or something. Indeed I'm talking about Vision Pros not
currently working fully outside of the USA.

One related and interesting issue for Apple is how they identify the US
Apple Watch models that have infringed on a blood oxygen (?) sensor
patent and have to have that feature disabled. But every other Apple
Watch in the world is allowed to keep using it. Also every US Apple
Watch prior to the patent infringment ruling is allowed to keep using it.

--
Chris