On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 18:04:57 +0000, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 13:56:34 +0000, Joe Kerr <joe_kerr@cheerful.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On 18/02/2024 13:36, Vicky wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 12:32:38 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
>>> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've thought for a long time there should be a terminal - ideally two or
>>>> three - somewhere in the centre of the store, where people could type in
>>>> what they were looking for, and it shows a range of hits and what aisle
>>>> they're in (and whether in stock). Ideally, it should also have a bar
>>>> code scanner, so customers could bring empty packaging (just the barcode
>>>> therefrom) and scan it rather than typing. [Is "therefrom" a word in
>>>> English? It should be; it is in German (davon).]
>>>
>>> JP, the thing is they want you to walk all round looking for things,
>>> as you then see other things you decide to get. That's why they change
>>> the products around now and then, so you have to search for things
>>> that are no longer where they were.
>>
>>Yes. but if I cant find things that have been moved I go walk all round
>>looking for things in a competitor where I probably have a reasonable
>>idea of where to find them. Unless they have rearranged their layout too ...
>
>If I can find a member of staff I ask them.

When they reopened after doing a complete remodelling of the local
eTsoc store (anti-clockwise[1]) they had members of staff handing out
floor plans with the new positions of things clearly mapped.

Didn't last that way for long, though.

Nick
[1]At least to begin with. After that it's every man/woman for
themselves

On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 19:43:17 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

>On 18-Feb-24 13:56, Joe Kerr wrote:
>> On 18/02/2024 13:36, Vicky wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 12:32:38 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
>>> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've thought for a long time there should be a terminal - ideally two or
>>>> three - somewhere in the centre of the store, where people could type in
>>>> what they were looking for, and it shows a range of hits and what aisle
>>>> they're in (and whether in stock). Ideally, it should also have a bar
>>>> code scanner, so customers could bring empty packaging (just the barcode
>>>> therefrom) and scan it rather than typing. [Is "therefrom" a word in
>>>> English? It should be; it is in German (davon).]
>>>
>>> JP, the thing is they want you to walk all round looking for things,
>>> as you then see other things you decide to get. That's why they change
>>> the products around now and then, so you have to search for things
>>> that are no longer where they were.
>>
>> Yes. but if I cant find things that have been moved I go walk all round
>> looking for things in a competitor where I probably have a reasonable
>> idea of where to find them. Unless they have rearranged their layout too
>> ...
>
>This is a "it depends on where you live" sort of thing.
>
>Most of our groceries are delivered, so I don't go to supermarkets very
>often, but if I do visit the nearest one (eTsco) I would have to drive
>another 4 miles or so to visit another.
>
>P.S. I just remembered that there is a new Aldi only 2 miles from the
>first, but it's so placed that it's an absolute sod to escape (it
>debouches onto a roundabout, where the oncoming traffic zooms past far
>too quickly for you to egress).

C'mon now Sam. You live in Wales.

a) That car may be nudging the speed limit but isn't that 20mph
nowadays? and b) That would only be one car a week anyway.

Nick

On 21-Feb-24 22:47, Nick Odell wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 19:43:17 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>
>> On 18-Feb-24 13:56, Joe Kerr wrote:
>>> On 18/02/2024 13:36, Vicky wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 12:32:38 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
>>>> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've thought for a long time there should be a terminal - ideally two or
>>>>> three - somewhere in the centre of the store, where people could type in
>>>>> what they were looking for, and it shows a range of hits and what aisle
>>>>> they're in (and whether in stock). Ideally, it should also have a bar
>>>>> code scanner, so customers could bring empty packaging (just the barcode
>>>>> therefrom) and scan it rather than typing. [Is "therefrom" a word in
>>>>> English? It should be; it is in German (davon).]
>>>>
>>>> JP, the thing is they want you to walk all round looking for things,
>>>> as you then see other things you decide to get. That's why they change
>>>> the products around now and then, so you have to search for things
>>>> that are no longer where they were.
>>>
>>> Yes. but if I cant find things that have been moved I go walk all round
>>> looking for things in a competitor where I probably have a reasonable
>>> idea of where to find them. Unless they have rearranged their layout too
>>> ...
>>
>> This is a "it depends on where you live" sort of thing.
>>
>> Most of our groceries are delivered, so I don't go to supermarkets very
>> often, but if I do visit the nearest one (eTsco) I would have to drive
>> another 4 miles or so to visit another.
>>
>> P.S. I just remembered that there is a new Aldi only 2 miles from the
>> first, but it's so placed that it's an absolute sod to escape (it
>> debouches onto a roundabout, where the oncoming traffic zooms past far
>> too quickly for you to egress).
>
> C'mon now Sam. You live in Wales.

True.
>
> a) That car may be nudging the speed limit but isn't that 20mph
> nowadays? and b) That would only be one car a week anyway.

20mph applies to "restricted" roads i.e. those roads which used to have
a 30mph default limit.
This roundabout is on a dual cabbageway with a 50 or 70mph limit (they
mess around with it quite a lot - for no obvious reason)[1].

[1] It's part of one of those trunk routes which has been taken out of
the hands of the local authority, and is the plaything of the National
Highways agency. They like doing strange things for strange reasons of
their own.

--
Sam Plusnet

On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 01:34:48 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

>This roundabout is on a dual cabbageway with a 50 or 70mph limit (they
>mess around with it quite a lot - for no obvious reason)[1].

They do that with some roads locally. I think they want to catch
drivers out as the 50 changes to 30mph for no reason I can see, so
unless you watch carefully they can then charge you with speeding. A
nice little earner.

On 21/02/2024 22:44, Nick Odell wrote:
> When they reopened after doing a complete remodelling of the local
> eTsoc store (anti-clockwise[1]) they had members of staff handing out
> floor plans with the new positions of things clearly mapped.

One of the reasons why I really don't like eTsoc is because of the weird
way they shelve items. For example, I only like one particular brand of
yoghurt(1) and that comes in 2 sizes of pot. I want the small size. I
find yoghurts in the store but there are only large sizes in the brand I
want. I curse and carry on shopping and in another aisle I happen upon
the small size ones I want. But I might well have not visited that
aisle and missed out on my yoghurts.

(1) Village Dairy, made in Denbigh - well, near Denbigh: Denbigh is
hardly a village.

--
Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK

Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 21/02/2024 22:44, Nick Odell wrote:
>> When they reopened after doing a complete remodelling of the local
>> eTsoc store (anti-clockwise[1]) they had members of staff handing out
>> floor plans with the new positions of things clearly mapped.
>
> One of the reasons why I really don't like eTsoc is because of the weird
> way they shelve items. For example, I only like one particular brand of
> yoghurt(1) and that comes in 2 sizes of pot. I want the small size. I
> find yoghurts in the store but there are only large sizes in the brand I
> want. I curse and carry on shopping and in another aisle I happen upon
> the small size ones I want. But I might well have not visited that
> aisle and missed out on my yoghurts.
>
> (1) Village Dairy, made in Denbigh - well, near Denbigh: Denbigh is
> hardly a village.
>
>

No, it is a tea set innit?

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On 18/02/2024 15:49, Nick Odell wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 12:32:38 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>> I've thought for a long time there should be a terminal - ideally two or
>> three - somewhere in the centre of the store, where people could type in
>> what they were looking for, and it shows a range of hits and what aisle
>> they're in (and whether in stock). Ideally, it should also have a bar
>> code scanner, so customers could bring empty packaging (just the barcode
>> therefrom) and scan it rather than typing. [Is "therefrom" a word in
>> English? It should be; it is in German (davon).]
>
> Some stores have barcode scanners so that you may check that the price
> of an item is what you think it is. As for the terminals to find the
> location of stuff, I think these days one is expected to download the
> supermarket's "app" onto ones mobile phone. (Me neither.)
>
> Nick

Those apps are generally aimed at online orders and rarely reflect the
reality of being in branch. I did notice yesterday that Tesco's does
have an actually going shopping option where it will tell you the
availability and aisle of products in a branch of your cheesing (TWATBILI).

--
Ric

On 22-Feb-24 14:18, Joe Kerr wrote:
> On 18/02/2024 15:49, Nick Odell wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 12:32:38 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
>> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>> I've thought for a long time there should be a terminal - ideally two or
>>> three - somewhere in the centre of the store, where people could type in
>>> what they were looking for, and it shows a range of hits and what aisle
>>> they're in (and whether in stock). Ideally, it should also have a bar
>>> code scanner, so customers could bring empty packaging (just the barcode
>>> therefrom) and scan it rather than typing. [Is "therefrom" a word in
>>> English? It should be; it is in German (davon).]
>>
>> Some stores have barcode scanners so that you may check that the price
>> of an item is what you think it is. As for the terminals to find the
>> location of stuff, I think these days one is expected to download the
>> supermarket's "app" onto ones mobile phone. (Me neither.)
>>
>> Nick
>
> Those apps are generally aimed at online orders and rarely reflect the
> reality of being in branch. I did notice yesterday that Tesco's does
> have an actually going shopping option where it will tell you the
> availability and aisle of products in a branch of your cheesing (TWATBILI).
>
"You want cheddar? Hard cheese."
--
Sam Plusnet

Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
> On 22-Feb-24 14:18, Joe Kerr wrote:
>> On 18/02/2024 15:49, Nick Odell wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 12:32:38 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
>>> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>> I've thought for a long time there should be a terminal - ideally two or
>>>> three - somewhere in the centre of the store, where people could type in
>>>> what they were looking for, and it shows a range of hits and what aisle
>>>> they're in (and whether in stock). Ideally, it should also have a bar
>>>> code scanner, so customers could bring empty packaging (just the barcode
>>>> therefrom) and scan it rather than typing. [Is "therefrom" a word in
>>>> English? It should be; it is in German (davon).]
>>>
>>> Some stores have barcode scanners so that you may check that the price
>>> of an item is what you think it is. As for the terminals to find the
>>> location of stuff, I think these days one is expected to download the
>>> supermarket's "app" onto ones mobile phone. (Me neither.)
>>>
>>> Nick
>>
>> Those apps are generally aimed at online orders and rarely reflect the
>> reality of being in branch. I did notice yesterday that Tesco's does
>> have an actually going shopping option where it will tell you the
>> availability and aisle of products in a branch of your cheesing (TWATBILI).
>>
> "You want cheddar? Hard cheese."

Stilton the puns are we? Go Caerphilly Leicester Gouda a hole in the
Wensley daile you walk down.

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 09:49:35 +0000, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 01:34:48 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>
>>This roundabout is on a dual cabbageway with a 50 or 70mph limit (they
>>mess around with it quite a lot - for no obvious reason)[1].
>
>They do that with some roads locally. I think they want to catch
>drivers out as the 50 changes to 30mph for no reason I can see, so
>unless you watch carefully they can then charge you with speeding. A
>nice little earner.

I remember a roundabout in Cambridgeshire, near an air force base (I
forget which but in Cambridgeshire that could probably be all of them)
where the E-W road was 60mph and the N-S 30. That used to cause a lot
of havoc!

Nick

Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 09:49:35 +0000, Vicky <vicky.ayech@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 01:34:48 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This roundabout is on a dual cabbageway with a 50 or 70mph limit (they
>>> mess around with it quite a lot - for no obvious reason)[1].
>>
>> They do that with some roads locally. I think they want to catch
>> drivers out as the 50 changes to 30mph for no reason I can see, so
>> unless you watch carefully they can then charge you with speeding. A
>> nice little earner.
>
> I remember a roundabout in Cambridgeshire, near an air force base (I
> forget which but in Cambridgeshire that could probably be all of them)
> where the E-W road was 60mph and the N-S 30. That used to cause a lot
> of havoc!
>
> Nick
>

Ossifer: Well Sir, do you know what speed you were travelling at at that
roundabout?
Driver: Well Ossifer, roundabout 30 to 60 mph!

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 09:29:13 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan wrote:

> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>> On 22-Feb-24 14:18, Joe Kerr wrote:
>>> On 18/02/2024 15:49, Nick Odell wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 12:32:38 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
>>>> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>> I've thought for a long time there should be a terminal - ideally
>>>>> two or three - somewhere in the centre of the store, where people
>>>>> could type in what they were looking for, and it shows a range of
>>>>> hits and what aisle they're in (and whether in stock). Ideally, it
>>>>> should also have a bar code scanner, so customers could bring empty
>>>>> packaging (just the barcode therefrom) and scan it rather than
>>>>> typing. [Is "therefrom" a word in English? It should be; it is in
>>>>> German (davon).]
>>>>
>>>> Some stores have barcode scanners so that you may check that the
>>>> price of an item is what you think it is. As for the terminals to
>>>> find the location of stuff, I think these days one is expected to
>>>> download the supermarket's "app" onto ones mobile phone. (Me
>>>> neither.)
>>>>
>>>> Nick
>>>
>>> Those apps are generally aimed at online orders and rarely reflect the
>>> reality of being in branch. I did notice yesterday that Tesco's does
>>> have an actually going shopping option where it will tell you the
>>> availability and aisle of products in a branch of your cheesing
>>> (TWATBILI).
>>>
>> "You want cheddar? Hard cheese."
>
> Stilton the puns are we? Go Caerphilly Leicester Gouda a hole in the
> Wensley daile you walk down.

In umra Esrom for a pun thread, always. Pun threads are a roquefort all of
us in troubled times.

Rosie

Sam Plusnet wrote:

> On 21-Feb-24 22:47, Nick Odell wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 19:43:17 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 18-Feb-24 13:56, Joe Kerr wrote:
>>>> On 18/02/2024 13:36, Vicky wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 12:32:38 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
>>>>> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've thought for a long time there should be a terminal - ideally two or
>>>>>> three - somewhere in the centre of the store, where people could type in
>>>>>> what they were looking for, and it shows a range of hits and what aisle
>>>>>> they're in (and whether in stock). Ideally, it should also have a bar
>>>>>> code scanner, so customers could bring empty packaging (just the barcode
>>>>>> therefrom) and scan it rather than typing. [Is "therefrom" a word in
>>>>>> English? It should be; it is in German (davon).]
>>>>>
>>>>> JP, the thing is they want you to walk all round looking for things,
>>>>> as you then see other things you decide to get. That's why they change
>>>>> the products around now and then, so you have to search for things
>>>>> that are no longer where they were.
>>>>
>>>> Yes. but if I cant find things that have been moved I go walk all round
>>>> looking for things in a competitor where I probably have a reasonable
>>>> idea of where to find them. Unless they have rearranged their layout too
>>>> ...
>>>
>>> This is a "it depends on where you live" sort of thing.
>>>
>>> Most of our groceries are delivered, so I don't go to supermarkets very
>>> often, but if I do visit the nearest one (eTsco) I would have to drive
>>> another 4 miles or so to visit another.
>>>
>>> P.S. I just remembered that there is a new Aldi only 2 miles from the
>>> first, but it's so placed that it's an absolute sod to escape (it
>>> debouches onto a roundabout, where the oncoming traffic zooms past far
>>> too quickly for you to egress).
>>
>> C'mon now Sam. You live in Wales.

> True.
>>
>> a) That car may be nudging the speed limit but isn't that 20mph
>> nowadays? and b) That would only be one car a week anyway.

> 20mph applies to "restricted" roads i.e. those roads which used to have
> a 30mph default limit.
> This roundabout is on a dual cabbageway with a 50 or 70mph limit (they
> mess around with it quite a lot - for no obvious reason)[1].

> [1] It's part of one of those trunk routes which has been taken out of
> the hands of the local authority, and is the plaything of the National
> Highways agency. They like doing strange things for strange reasons of
> their own.

On a more serious note, I'd read so much about how much the 20mph
limits were fouling things up; how bus companies were being forced
to cancel services and abandon villages that I presumed that it must
have been a blanket, Wales-wide restriction. Given that it's only in
previously thirty limits I have to wonder how many people could
actually drive as fast as 30mph in a built-up area if they wanted
to and whether all the upset is a lot of posturing and positioning.

I can see how an overall slowdown could affect bus services - we have
a semi-rural bus service from Huddersfield which takes just under an
hour to go around the circuit and just under an hour to go back. If
it were more than an hour they would need two buses to meet the
council-funded required service and that wold be unaffordable for the
bus company. But 20mph only in built up areas? Is someone pulling someone
else's leg? Or does the press hate Mark Drakeford as much as they seem
to hate Sadiq Khan?

Nick

On 23-Feb-24 20:00, nick wrote:
> Sam Plusnet wrote:
>
>> On 21-Feb-24 22:47, Nick Odell wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 19:43:17 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 18-Feb-24 13:56, Joe Kerr wrote:
>>>>> On 18/02/2024 13:36, Vicky wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 12:32:38 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
>>>>>> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've thought for a long time there should be a terminal - ideally
>>>>>>> two or
>>>>>>> three - somewhere in the centre of the store, where people could
>>>>>>> type in
>>>>>>> what they were looking for, and it shows a range of hits and what
>>>>>>> aisle
>>>>>>> they're in (and whether in stock). Ideally, it should also have a
>>>>>>> bar
>>>>>>> code scanner, so customers could bring empty packaging (just the
>>>>>>> barcode
>>>>>>> therefrom) and scan it rather than typing. [Is "therefrom" a word in
>>>>>>> English? It should be; it is in German (davon).]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JP, the thing is they want you to walk all round looking for things,
>>>>>> as you then see other things you decide to get. That's why they
>>>>>> change
>>>>>> the products around now and then, so you have to search for things
>>>>>> that are no longer where they were.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes. but if I cant find things that have been moved I go walk all
>>>>> round
>>>>> looking for things in a competitor where I probably have a reasonable
>>>>> idea of where to find them. Unless they have rearranged their
>>>>> layout too
>>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> This is a "it depends on where you live" sort of thing.
>>>>
>>>> Most of our groceries are delivered, so I don't go to supermarkets very
>>>> often, but if I do visit the nearest one (eTsco) I would have to drive
>>>> another 4 miles or so to visit another.
>>>>
>>>> P.S. I just remembered that there is a new Aldi only 2 miles from the
>>>> first, but it's so placed that it's an absolute sod to escape (it
>>>> debouches onto a roundabout, where the oncoming traffic zooms past far
>>>> too quickly for you to egress).
>>>
>>> C'mon now Sam. You live in Wales.
>
>> True.
>>>
>>> a) That car may be nudging the speed limit but isn't that 20mph
>>> nowadays? and b) That would only be one car a week anyway.
>
>> 20mph applies to "restricted" roads i.e. those roads which used to
>> have a 30mph default limit.
>> This roundabout is on a dual cabbageway with a 50 or 70mph limit (they
>> mess around with it quite a lot - for no obvious reason)[1].
>
>> [1] It's part of one of those trunk routes which has been taken out of
>> the hands of the local authority, and is the plaything of the National
>> Highways agency.  They like doing strange things for strange reasons
>> of their own.
>
> On a more serious note, I'd read so much about how much the 20mph
> limits were fouling things up; how bus companies were being forced
> to cancel services and abandon villages that I presumed that it must
> have been a blanket, Wales-wide restriction. Given that it's only in
> previously thirty limits I have to wonder how many people could
> actually drive as fast as 30mph in a built-up area if they wanted
> to and whether all the upset is a lot of posturing and positioning.
>
> I can see how an overall slowdown could affect bus services - we have
> a semi-rural bus service from Huddersfield which takes just under an
> hour to go around the circuit and just under an hour to go back. If
> it were more than an hour they would need two buses to meet the
> council-funded required service and that wold be unaffordable for the
> bus company. But 20mph only in built up areas? Is someone pulling someone
> else's leg?

Again, it all depend on where you live.
Some of the bus routes that I know best are largely run on restricted
roads (maybe 60-70%?).
They tend to go hither and thither to pick up/drop off passengers and
not take the most direct route to anywhere.
Reducing 30 to 20 on a large percentage of the route must have an impact
on the time-tabling.

Given that many bus companies have long wished to cherry-pick the bus
routes that make them money, but the scheme of subsidies mean they
haven't been able to act as freely as they would like... A new
justification for axing buses, or whole routes, could be a happy event
for them.

Or does the press hate Mark Drakeford as much as they seem
> to hate Sadiq Khan?

On the whole I think not, but then I don't see much coverage of Sadiq Khan.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 24.2.24 00:09, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> Given that many bus companies have long wished to cherry-pick the bus
> routes that make them money, but the scheme of subsidies mean they
> haven't been able to act as freely as they would like

Following the deregulation of buses in 1986 it is not a question of
cherry picking profitable routes - it was an economic necessity as
national ownership or council ownership of many bus companies was
terminated.

Recently this has been partially reversed - but the bus owners are to a
large extent in private company hands and will look upon any opportunity
(eg Manchester) to exert control as a means to extract profits.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

On 18/02/2024 19:46, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 18-Feb-24 15:24, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> In message <uqt1un$14osv$1@dont-email.me> at Sun, 18 Feb 2024
>> 13:50:15, Wenlock <wenlock.house@googlemail.com> writes
>>> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>> [Is "therefrom" a word in
>>>> English? It should be; it is in German (davon).]
>>>
>>> It’s in the Scottish Dictionary* along with thereabout, thereafter,
>>> thereagainst, thereamong, thereanent, thereat, thereaway, therebeside,
>>> thereby, therefor, therefore, therein, thereinafter, thereinbefore,
>>> thereinto, theremin, thereof, thereon, thereout, therethrough, thereto,
>>> theretofore, thereunder, thereunto, therewith, therewithall and
>>> therewithin.
>>>
>>> I will leave it as an exercise for the reader to spot the odd one out.
>>
>> I was going to say therefore, until I got to theremin!
>
> Theremin sounds very much like a prescription drug.  I have no idea what
> it would be used to treat.

Vibrations, good or otherwise?

--
Cheers
Clive

Clive Arthur <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
> On 18/02/2024 19:46, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>> On 18-Feb-24 15:24, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>> In message <uqt1un$14osv$1@dont-email.me> at Sun, 18 Feb 2024
>>> 13:50:15, Wenlock <wenlock.house@googlemail.com> writes
>>>> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>> [Is "therefrom" a word in
>>>>> English? It should be; it is in German (davon).]
>>>>
>>>> It’s in the Scottish Dictionary* along with thereabout, thereafter,
>>>> thereagainst, thereamong, thereanent, thereat, thereaway, therebeside,
>>>> thereby, therefor, therefore, therein, thereinafter, thereinbefore,
>>>> thereinto, theremin, thereof, thereon, thereout, therethrough, thereto,
>>>> theretofore, thereunder, thereunto, therewith, therewithall and
>>>> therewithin.
>>>>
>>>> I will leave it as an exercise for the reader to spot the odd one out.
>>>
>>> I was going to say therefore, until I got to theremin!
>>
>> Theremin sounds very much like a prescription drug.  I have no idea what
>> it would be used to treat.
>
> Vibrations, good or otherwise?
>

But only on the beach, boys.

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes:

> Clive Arthur <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 18/02/2024 19:46, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>> On 18-Feb-24 15:24, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>> In message <uqt1un$14osv$1@dont-email.me> at Sun, 18 Feb 2024
>>>> 13:50:15, Wenlock <wenlock.house@googlemail.com> writes
>>>>> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>>> [Is "therefrom" a word in
>>>>>> English? It should be; it is in German (davon).]
>>>>>
>>>>> It’s in the Scottish Dictionary* along with thereabout, thereafter,
>>>>> thereagainst, thereamong, thereanent, thereat, thereaway, therebeside,
>>>>> thereby, therefor, therefore, therein, thereinafter, thereinbefore,
>>>>> thereinto, theremin, thereof, thereon, thereout, therethrough, thereto,
>>>>> theretofore, thereunder, thereunto, therewith, therewithall and
>>>>> therewithin.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will leave it as an exercise for the reader to spot the odd one out.
>>>>
>>>> I was going to say therefore, until I got to theremin!
>>>
>>> Theremin sounds very much like a prescription drug.  I have no idea what
>>> it would be used to treat.
>>
>> Vibrations, good or otherwise?
>>
>
> But only on the beach, boys.

Not even with California girls?

Rosie

Rosie Mitchell <rcmitchell@golgonooza.co.uk> wrote:
> Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes:
>
>> Clive Arthur <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 18/02/2024 19:46, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>> On 18-Feb-24 15:24, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>>> In message <uqt1un$14osv$1@dont-email.me> at Sun, 18 Feb 2024
>>>>> 13:50:15, Wenlock <wenlock.house@googlemail.com> writes
>>>>>> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> [Is "therefrom" a word in
>>>>>>> English? It should be; it is in German (davon).]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It’s in the Scottish Dictionary* along with thereabout, thereafter,
>>>>>> thereagainst, thereamong, thereanent, thereat, thereaway, therebeside,
>>>>>> thereby, therefor, therefore, therein, thereinafter, thereinbefore,
>>>>>> thereinto, theremin, thereof, thereon, thereout, therethrough, thereto,
>>>>>> theretofore, thereunder, thereunto, therewith, therewithall and
>>>>>> therewithin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will leave it as an exercise for the reader to spot the odd one out.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was going to say therefore, until I got to theremin!
>>>>
>>>> Theremin sounds very much like a prescription drug.  I have no idea what
>>>> it would be used to treat.
>>>
>>> Vibrations, good or otherwise?
>>>
>>
>> But only on the beach, boys.
>
> Not even with California girls?
>
> Rosie
>

I’m told they keep their boyfriends warm at night.

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On 18/02/2024 11:08, Vicky wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 10:18:34 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan
> <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> wrote:
>
>> Just that really.
>
> I was testing how far I could drive before my arm began aching

It was about 14 hours yesterday for me.

Left Pila in the Aosta valley at 7AM, through the Mt. Blanc tunnel and
then up through France. New transponder/pinger dongle for motorways
worked well, so didn;t even have to stop for toll gates.

2 stops for petrol/pee/coffee, 1 for a pee and food and a 20 minute snooze.

Arrived at LeShuttle at 16.42 and got on the 17.48 train Managed to use
VPN and stream first half of the Scotland England rugby while waiting to
load and while under the channel.

Arrived at Ashford at 5.15 and was home in Bedford at 8 after picking up
Fish and chips.

Entertainment while driving was Susan Hill's Shadows in the Street which
was very good and a bit more cheerful than the Vows of Silence that I
listened to on the way down and was grim like the 1 before that. You
expect the victims to die, but not half the detective's family...
Does anyotherat think Simon Serailleur is bit of a selfish twat ?

Waife and family (s and dil, d and sol, 6 AGCs) left hotel at same time
as me in 2 taxis. 2+ hours to Malpensa, 2 hours checkin and wait, 2
hours flight to LGW, long passport Q for families, 2 hour train home and
taxi and arrived at 3.20. My journey was a bit longer but easier in many
ways :)

On 18/02/2024 13:50, Wenlock wrote:
> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
> [Is "therefrom" a word in
>> English? It should be; it is in German (davon).]
>
> It’s in the Scottish Dictionary* along with thereabout, thereafter,
> thereagainst, thereamong, thereanent, thereat, thereaway, therebeside,
> thereby, therefor, therefore, therein, thereinafter, thereinbefore,
> thereinto, theremin, thereof, thereon, thereout, therethrough, thereto,
> theretofore, thereunder, thereunto, therewith, therewithall and
> therewithin.
>
> I will leave it as an exercise for the reader to spot the odd one out.
>
> *It’s bad luck to use its proper name on USENET.

Why, does someone appear with a Snipper Riffle ?

On 19/02/2024 09:05, Mike McMillan wrote:
> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>> On 18-Feb-24 15:24, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>> In message <uqt1un$14osv$1@dont-email.me> at Sun, 18 Feb 2024 13:50:15,
>>> Wenlock <wenlock.house@googlemail.com> writes
>>>> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>> [Is "therefrom" a word in
>>>>> English? It should be; it is in German (davon).]
>>>>
>>>> It’s in the Scottish Dictionary* along with thereabout, thereafter,
>>>> thereagainst, thereamong, thereanent, thereat, thereaway, therebeside,
>>>> thereby, therefor, therefore, therein, thereinafter, thereinbefore,
>>>> thereinto, theremin, thereof, thereon, thereout, therethrough, thereto,
>>>> theretofore, thereunder, thereunto, therewith, therewithall and
>>>> therewithin.
>>>>
>>>> I will leave it as an exercise for the reader to spot the odd one out.
>>>
>>> I was going to say therefore, until I got to theremin!
>>
>> Theremin sounds very much like a prescription drug. I have no idea what
>> it would be used to treat.
>>
>
> Hand Tremors?
>
is extra.

On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 15:27:51 +0000, BrritSki
<rtilburyTAKEOUT@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 18/02/2024 11:08, Vicky wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 10:18:34 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan
>> <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Just that really.
>>
>> I was testing how far I could drive before my arm began aching
>
>It was about 14 hours yesterday for me.
>
>Left Pila in the Aosta valley at 7AM, through the Mt. Blanc tunnel and
>then up through France. New transponder/pinger dongle for motorways
>worked well, so didn;t even have to stop for toll gates.
>
>2 stops for petrol/pee/coffee, 1 for a pee and food and a 20 minute snooze.
>
>Arrived at LeShuttle at 16.42 and got on the 17.48 train Managed to use
>VPN and stream first half of the Scotland England rugby while waiting to
>load and while under the channel.
>
>Arrived at Ashford at 5.15 and was home in Bedford at 8 after picking up
>Fish and chips.
>
>Entertainment while driving was Susan Hill's Shadows in the Street which
>was very good and a bit more cheerful than the Vows of Silence that I
>listened to on the way down and was grim like the 1 before that. You
>expect the victims to die, but not half the detective's family...
>Does anyotherat think Simon Serailleur is bit of a selfish twat ?
>
>Waife and family (s and dil, d and sol, 6 AGCs) left hotel at same time
>as me in 2 taxis. 2+ hours to Malpensa, 2 hours checkin and wait, 2
>hours flight to LGW, long passport Q for families, 2 hour train home and
>taxi and arrived at 3.20. My journey was a bit longer but easier in many
>ways :)

So... If I haven't left a day out somewhere or other, about five hours
longer than the plane and the train - with the added benefits,
cunningly smuggled as your final :)

I've got a fairly overlong journey home next weekend and because I
wasn't willing to pay Lufthansa extra for more convenient flights,
I'll be leaving here around 23.59 on Thursday[1] and, all being well,
will arrive back home around 17.00 on Saturday, three hours ahead.
Three different codeshares on three different airlines. Ah well...

Nick
[1]Obviously not that precise but it seemed the shortest way to tell
you which midnight - but now I've blown that advantage by the overlong
explanation

On 25/02/2024 20:31, Nick Odell wrote:
>
> So... If I haven't left a day out somewhere or other, about five hours
> longer than the plane and the train - with the added benefits,
> cunningly smuggled as your final :)

Yes, waife and I have found over many years that her flying and me
driving is the best way. I like to just drive straight through, she
likes to stop and smell the flowers.

Car wasn't strictly necessary for this trip, but would have been useful
if a John Ashby situation had happened. The extra money paid was largely
offset by the avoidance of paying for probably 8 large bags with
clothes, skis, boots etc. as well as avoiding all the hassle of quing to
check stuff in and wait for it on the carousel.

Post Covid where we need a car it is cheaper to drive mine down than
hire at the airport.

On 25-Feb-24 15:34, BrritSki wrote:
> On 19/02/2024 09:05, Mike McMillan wrote:
>> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>> On 18-Feb-24 15:24, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>> In message <uqt1un$14osv$1@dont-email.me> at Sun, 18 Feb 2024 13:50:15,
>>>> Wenlock <wenlock.house@googlemail.com> writes
>>>>> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>>> [Is "therefrom" a word in
>>>>>> English? It should be; it is in German (davon).]
>>>>>
>>>>> It’s in the Scottish Dictionary* along with thereabout, thereafter,
>>>>> thereagainst, thereamong, thereanent, thereat, thereaway, therebeside,
>>>>> thereby, therefor, therefore, therein, thereinafter, thereinbefore,
>>>>> thereinto, theremin, thereof, thereon, thereout, therethrough,
>>>>> thereto,
>>>>> theretofore, thereunder, thereunto, therewith, therewithall and
>>>>> therewithin.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will leave it as an exercise for the reader to spot the odd one out.
>>>>
>>>> I was going to say therefore, until I got to theremin!
>>>
>>> Theremin sounds very much like a prescription drug.  I have no idea what
>>> it would be used to treat.
>>>
>>
>> Hand Tremors?
>>
> is extra.

But did they make a second album?

--
Sam Plusnet