On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 01:22:18 +0000, Jenny M Benson
<NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>On 14/03/2024 23:46, Nick Odell wrote:
>> Good point, well made.
>
>How many (if any) Umrats will know what the heck I am on about if I say
>my mind automatically tacked "Bar-bara" on to the end of that phrase?
>Or even muttered it themselves?

I got the wrong Barbara, I'm afraid. Maybe because yesterday's
Conversations from a Long Marriage brought up a Margoism and
automatically made me think it must have originated in The Good Life

Nick

On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 02:27:38 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

>On 14-Mar-24 23:46, Nick Odell wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 20:22:19 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 14-Mar-24 14:18, BrritSki wrote:
>>>> On 14/03/2024 13:54, john ashby wrote:
>>>>> On 14/03/2024 13:33, BrritSki wrote:
>>>>>> Install finished and we're now cooking with errrm, sunlight from
>>>>>> Nevada (where the battery was allegedly built and partially charged) ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let the confusion begin....
>>>>>
>>>>> It won't work, that'll be 110V sunlight.
>>>>>
>>>> I know, and it's not green at all transporting all that electricity
>>>> across the Atlantic.
>>>>
>>> Surely a cargo of powerwalls ought to be transported in a ship powered
>>> by the cargo?
>>
>> Good point, well made.
>>
>> Were colliers powered by their cargoes? Are oil/gas bulk carriers
>> powered the oil or gas they are carrying? If not, why not?
>
>Crude oil carriers need refined oil for their engines.
>The Ultra-Ultra girt big (250,000 to 500,000 tonnes) crude carriers that
>anchored off the beaches of Falmouth would be visited by (comparatively)
>tiny little tankers which topped them up.
>
Having recently read Down to the Sea in Ships by Horatio Clare my
impression is that when ships are out of sight of anybody in authority
who might have been watching they switch fuel tanks and the stuff they
then burn is pretty crude.

Nick

<snip>

Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 02:27:38 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>
>> On 14-Mar-24 23:46, Nick Odell wrote:
>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 20:22:19 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 14-Mar-24 14:18, BrritSki wrote:
>>>>> On 14/03/2024 13:54, john ashby wrote:
>>>>>> On 14/03/2024 13:33, BrritSki wrote:
>>>>>>> Install finished and we're now cooking with errrm, sunlight from
>>>>>>> Nevada (where the battery was allegedly built and partially charged) ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let the confusion begin....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It won't work, that'll be 110V sunlight.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I know, and it's not green at all transporting all that electricity
>>>>> across the Atlantic.
>>>>>
>>>> Surely a cargo of powerwalls ought to be transported in a ship powered
>>>> by the cargo?
>>>
>>> Good point, well made.
>>>
>>> Were colliers powered by their cargoes? Are oil/gas bulk carriers
>>> powered the oil or gas they are carrying? If not, why not?
>>
>> Crude oil carriers need refined oil for their engines.
>> The Ultra-Ultra girt big (250,000 to 500,000 tonnes) crude carriers that
>> anchored off the beaches of Falmouth would be visited by (comparatively)
>> tiny little tankers which topped them up.
>>
> Having recently read Down to the Sea in Ships by Horatio Clare my
> impression is that when ships are out of sight of anybody in authority
> who might have been watching they switch fuel tanks and the stuff they
> then burn is pretty crude.
>
> Nick
>
>
> <snip>
>

Crude yes, but Pretty, NO!

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On 15/03/2024 11:59, Joe Kerr wrote:
> On 14/03/2024 23:46, Nick Odell wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 20:22:19 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 14-Mar-24 14:18, BrritSki wrote:
>>>> On 14/03/2024 13:54, john ashby wrote:
>>>>> On 14/03/2024 13:33, BrritSki wrote:
>>>>>> Install finished and we're now cooking with errrm, sunlight from
>>>>>> Nevada (where the battery was allegedly built and
>>>>>> partially charged) ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let the confusion begin....
>>>>>
>>>>> It won't work, that'll be 110V sunlight.
>>>>>
>>>> I know, and it's not green at all transporting all that electricity
>>>> across the Atlantic.
>>>>
>>> Surely a cargo of powerwalls ought to be transported in a ship powered
>>> by the cargo?
>>
>> Good point, well made.
>>
>> Were colliers powered by their cargoes? Are oil/gas bulk carriers
>> powered the oil or gas they are carrying? If not, why not?
>>
>> Nick
>
> I believe that some of the gas ones are.
>
> I'm not sure about bean carriers being wind powered.
>
One of my favourite verses from Twas on the good ship Venus was

The Bosun's name was Carter
By God he was a farter
When the wind didn't blow
And the ship wouldn't go
Carter the farter would start 'er.

On 15/03/2024 13:50, Nick Odell wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 01:22:18 +0000, Jenny M Benson
> <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 14/03/2024 23:46, Nick Odell wrote:
>>> Good point, well made.
>>
>> How many (if any) Umrats will know what the heck I am on about if I say
>> my mind automatically tacked "Bar-bara" on to the end of that phrase?
>> Or even muttered it themselves?
>
> I got the wrong Barbara, I'm afraid. Maybe because yesterday's
> Conversations from a Long Marriage brought up a Margoism and
> automatically made me think it must have originated in The Good Life
>
> Nick

YANAOU

john

On 15-Mar-24 9:41, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In message <umOIN.20199$Mbc3.16999@fx08.ams1> at Fri, 15 Mar 2024
> 02:27:38, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> writes
> []
>> Just after I posted, the image that came to mind was the vessel in
>> "Around the World in 80 Days" where they stripped out every scrap of
>> wood (doors, panelling etc.) to keep the engine running.  A cargo
>> vessel that 'eats' its own cargo seemed similar in some way.
>>
> I believe that did actually happen in the early days of steam-powered
> transatlantic (how does one capitalise that word? Strictly it should be
> camel case!) crossings, when records were being set: I think one of them
> did have to burn some of itself to make the record.

Most of the earliest steam powered vessels had a full rig of sails as
well. The steam engines of that time were too inefficient to give them
much range - but were jolly useful whenever the winds were contrary.

--
Sam Plusnet

Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
> On 15-Mar-24 9:41, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> In message <umOIN.20199$Mbc3.16999@fx08.ams1> at Fri, 15 Mar 2024
>> 02:27:38, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> writes
>> []
>>> Just after I posted, the image that came to mind was the vessel in
>>> "Around the World in 80 Days" where they stripped out every scrap of
>>> wood (doors, panelling etc.) to keep the engine running.  A cargo
>>> vessel that 'eats' its own cargo seemed similar in some way.
>>>
>> I believe that did actually happen in the early days of steam-powered
>> transatlantic (how does one capitalise that word? Strictly it should be
>> camel case!) crossings, when records were being set: I think one of them
>> did have to burn some of itself to make the record.
>
> Most of the earliest steam powered vessels had a full rig of sails as
> well. The steam engines of that time were too inefficient to give them
> much range - but were jolly useful whenever the winds were contrary.
>

Some of them were so capacious in the coal storage department that they
could have a fire raging in a few of the 20 or more coal holes / boilers
that they could carry on traversing the Atlantic with many passengers being
total oblivious to the ticking time bomb they were sailing in…

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

In message <5F0JN.149907$STLe.58041@fx34.iad> at Fri, 15 Mar 2024
18:43:13, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> writes
>On 15-Mar-24 9:41, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
[]
>> I believe that did actually happen in the early days of steam-powered
>>transatlantic (how does one capitalise that word? Strictly it should
>>be camel case!) crossings, when records were being set: I think one
>>of them did have to burn some of itself to make the record.
>
>Most of the earliest steam powered vessels had a full rig of sails as
>well. The steam engines of that time were too inefficient to give them
>much range - but were jolly useful whenever the winds were contrary.
>
I've found what appears to be the record, from
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Sirius_(1837)> - as usual, there's a
grain of truth but much exaggeration:

Sirius, the largest of the St George company's steamers, was designed
for their prestige Cork-London service, on which she began in August
1837.

At the time Sirius was completed, two other companies were building
steamships for proposed transatlantic passenger services. British and
American's British Queen fell behind when the firm building her engines
went bankrupt. Construction on the rival Great Western continued without
interruption and she was ready for her first voyage by April 1838. One
of British and American's directors suggested the company charter Sirius
to beat Great Western. Overloaded with coal and with 45 passengers,
Sirius left Cork, Ireland on 4 April and arrived in New York after a
voyage of 18 days, 4 hours and 22 minutes (8.03) knots. The normal
westbound passage by sailing packet was 40 days. When coal ran low, the
crew were alleged by the newspapers to have been forced to burn cabin
furniture, spare yards and one mast, inspiring the similar sequence in
Jules Verne's Around the World in Eighty Days. However, in reality the
crew were able to manage and conserve the stocks of coal by burning four
barrels of resin instead, and still had 15 tons of coal left on arrival
in New York. Great Western departed Avonmouth four days after Sirius and
still came within a day of overtaking her. Because Sirius was clearly
too small for the Cork-New York crossing, she completed only one
additional round trip before she was returned to her owners and, after a
voyage to Saint Petersburg, resumed her regular St George company
service, though on the Cork-Glasgow route.

So Sirius held the record (which was based on average speed, not time,
because different ships took different routes) - for about a day; Great
Western started four days after Sirius, but arrived only one day after
her. And they didn't burn parts of the ship, only some barrels of resin
(the article doesn't say where those came from - I'm guessing cargo or
ship's supplies).
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

We must, of course, ensure that we display no bias. The bias I worry about
most is the bias against understanding. - Nick Robinson, RT 2017/4/8-14

In message <ut2571$2drog$1@dont-email.me> at Fri, 15 Mar 2024 18:49:05,
Mike McMillan <toodle.pip1@virginmedia.com> writes
>Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
[]
>> Most of the earliest steam powered vessels had a full rig of sails as
>> well. The steam engines of that time were too inefficient to give them
>> much range - but were jolly useful whenever the winds were contrary.
>>
>
>Some of them were so capacious in the coal storage department that they
>could have a fire raging in a few of the 20 or more coal holes / boilers
>that they could carry on traversing the Atlantic with many passengers being
>total oblivious to the ticking time bomb they were sailing in…
>
IIRR, Titanic set off with a fire in one of its coal bunkers, and as you
say this wasn't considered noteworthy. (Though I think some of the many
prog.s about it have hinted that they think it may have buckled or
otherwise stressed plates, contributing to its demise.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

We must, of course, ensure that we display no bias. The bias I worry about
most is the bias against understanding. - Nick Robinson, RT 2017/4/8-14

On 15/03/2024 01:22, Jenny M Benson wrote:
> On 14/03/2024 23:46, Nick Odell wrote:
>> Good point, well made.
>
> How many (if any) Umrats will know what the heck I am on about if I say
> my mind automatically tacked "Bar-bara" on to the end of that phrase? Or
> even muttered it themselves?

Good point my arse.

--
Cheers
Clive

On Mar 14, 2024 at 4:22:19 PM EDT, "Sam Plusnet" <not@home.com> wrote:

> Surely a cargo of powerwalls ought to be transported in a ship powered
> by the cargo?

Funnily enough, that was a feature of Tesla's Investory Day in 2023:
https://digitalassets.tesla.com/tesla-contents/image/upload/IR/Investor-Day-2023-Keynote

On 16-Mar-24 22:47, Ben Blaney wrote:
> On Mar 14, 2024 at 4:22:19 PM EDT, "Sam Plusnet" <not@home.com> wrote:
>
>> Surely a cargo of powerwalls ought to be transported in a ship powered
>> by the cargo?
>
> Funnily enough, that was a feature of Tesla's Investory Day in 2023:
> https://digitalassets.tesla.com/tesla-contents/image/upload/IR/Investor-Day-2023-Keynote

Then we could have a cargo of windmill blades being powered by...

--
Sam Plusnet

Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
> On 16-Mar-24 22:47, Ben Blaney wrote:
>> On Mar 14, 2024 at 4:22:19 PM EDT, "Sam Plusnet" <not@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Surely a cargo of powerwalls ought to be transported in a ship powered
>>> by the cargo?
>>
>> Funnily enough, that was a feature of Tesla's Investory Day in 2023:
>> https://digitalassets.tesla.com/tesla-contents/image/upload/IR/Investor-Day-2023-Keynote
>
>
> Then we could have a cargo of windmill blades being powered by...
>

There is a ‘HiTech’ luxury yacht that is powered ny vertical bladed
windmills.

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan